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abcdefg_irssi
test
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abcdefg_irssi
ok i think its working
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abcdefg_irssi
jesus
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cstfrqde[m]
Hello, is this the right place to ask a technical question?
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moneromooo
Yep.
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cstfrqde[m]
Great! Well, not that technical, but: is there a way to speed up the initial block download? It's taking quite a long time... I should note that I do not get more than 10 mbps down.
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moneromooo
The single biggest thing is to use a SSD instead of a spinning HDD. It makes a huge difference.
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moneromooo
Dowload speed is *usually* not the bottleneck.
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moneromooo
Also, freeing RAM is good, as your OS will cache more of the DB, leading to fewer disk accesses on later lookups.
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cstfrqde[m]
Yeah, that's what I thought. I am pretty sure I have an SSD (8th gen x1 carbon). Is there a param I can tweak?
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cstfrqde[m]
monero is using very little RAM, indeed.
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moneromooo
I don't know that. But a recent laptop and SSD should get you a whole chain in a few hours.
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moneromooo
If you run "sync_info" in monerod, what is the first or second line, that one with many 'o' in it ?
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cstfrqde[m]
Really? I have been downloading this for probably at least a few days (non-continuously over the course of more than a week).
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moneromooo
Days means HDD. Or something being really borked.
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moneromooo
I assume you've not used --fast-block-sync 0, right ?
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cstfrqde[m]
<moneromooo "I assume you've not used --fast-"> correct.
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cstfrqde[m]
Apologies for polluting the channel with questions.... but I don't see `sync_info` among the CLI options for `monerod`
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moneromooo
This is what the channel is for :) And it's to enter in the console, not as command line parameter.
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moneromooo
in the monerod console.
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moneromooo
If you've restarted monerod in the last minute or so, wait a minute first.
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cstfrqde[m]
Confirmed I have an SSD
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moneromooo
Also, if you have a HDD, you should get a warning whe nmonerod starts, telling you it'll be slow.
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moneromooo
It's also possible you're stuck with just asshole peers. There are dozens of lying nodes which won't give you data.
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moneromooo
(on purpose, just to be jerks)
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cstfrqde[m]
<moneromooo "in the monerod console."> I think I must be misunderstanding you... the only interactive console I have used for monero is the `monero-wallet-cli`. Is that what you're referring to? when I type `sync_info` in that console, it says there is no such command.
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moneromooo
You can run monerod with --use-dns-blocklist and see if that helps.
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cstfrqde[m]
monerod does seem to be blocking peers very often lol
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moneromooo
I mean monerod, not monero-wallet-cli. If you run monerod with --detach, then you can run: "monerod sync_info".
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cstfrqde[m]
🤦♂️ right of course. Doing that now. Sorry...
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yanmaani
moneromooo: Doesn't Monero use checkpoints?
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moneromooo
monerod uses checkpoints.
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cstfrqde[m]
Should I dump the contents of `monerod sync_info` here?
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moneromooo
Just the line with (hopefully) lots of 'o' in it.
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moneromooo
Or everything on paste.debian.net.
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cstfrqde[m]
[.o.]
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moneromooo
Ah. OK. That means it's idling waiting for hte next block to be downloaded...
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moneromooo
It's requested three spans of blocks, and got one back, but not the one it needs next.
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moneromooo
So if it's always like this, that explains the slowness.
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cstfrqde[m]
Here we go...
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cstfrqde[m]
`[_oooooooo.]`
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moneromooo
_ at start is not good. I don't recall what it means exactly though. You want 'm' at start (which means it matches what you need next).
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moneromooo
Then plenty of 'o', which means "received".
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moneromooo
It might be a bug, or maybe the jerk nodes send you wonky data.
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cstfrqde[m]
Got it. So the number of `o`s is increasing, when I rerun the command, but the `_` is staying put.
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abcdefg_irssi
should I open my laptop up to connections?
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abcdefg_irssi
for the node
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moneromooo
I'll hit the hay soon, but what you can do is: restart monerod, running with "--log-level 2", wait for this (line with _ at the start) to happen again, then paste the reslting logs to paste.debian.net and paste the URL here. I'll check it tomorrow.
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moneromooo
Sure, can't hurt.
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cstfrqde[m]
<moneromooo "I'll hit the hay soon, but what "> Sounds good. Thanks so much!
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abcdefg_irssi
saying 12(out)+0(in) so I feel like im leeching like a private tracker or something lol
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» moneromooo afk, good luck
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cstfrqde[m]
Not sure if it matters, but I am running version Could it be a version problem? I'm running version `v0.17.1.9`, always use a VPN (I assume very common in the Monero world...) and use NextDNS. I am wondering whether that last thing might have something to do with it...
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yanmaani
Is there a table of Figure 5 from
eprint.iacr.org/2020/018.pdf anywhere?
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yanmaani
What size of triptych txn has the same size as a CLSAG txn with 10 decoys?
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Daisy74
Hey there, I am new to Monero, and I wonder if I can get a small amount of XMR to play with
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yanmaani
no
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abcdefg_irssi
a small amount to play with
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abcdefg_irssi
play with it how
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abcdefg_irssi
.faucet
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Wallet
abcdefg_irssi: Sum of 1st million digits of pi, times zero
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abcdefg_irssi
0
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Wallet
abcdefg_irssi: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000006 XMR to abcdefg_irssi [5c92ef46] Wait ≈23 hrs 59 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.0123413
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abcdefg_irssi
just do the faucet for ur small amount
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abcdefg_irssi
.tip Daisy74 all
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Wallet
abcdefg_irssi: User 'Daisy74' not found on 'freenode'. Either they don't exist or they don't have an active bot account
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lhtoklrtj
I can tell you why you can't stop the 'spam'. You are thinking in cult doctrine. If it was real spam, and I was selling Viagra for example - you could easily ban keywords and urls. Instead, stop being a sheep, think like a cult leader. Recoginse that this 'spam' is just some bullshit that you tell to the sheep.
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lhtoklrtj
When you do that, solution will present itself. Observe. 'spam' -> 'FUK talks bad things about Monero on our IRC' (Don't say that out loud obviously, that will get you excommunicated) Solution? Get off-the-shelf sentiment analyser, detect anyone who 'talks bad things about Monero' and ban them.
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Daisy74
.faucet
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Wallet
Daisy74: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in?
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abcdefg_irssi
register on freenode first
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yanmaani
Or perhaps they're wondering why someone would ban a man, who leaves of his own volition?
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abcdefg_irssi
oh someone mustve tipped me xmr
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abcdefg_irssi
i have more in the wallet bot than the fraction i just got from the faucet
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Daisy74
it is really nice of nc1236[m]
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yanmaani
lol how much'd you give him?
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Daisy74
$1
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somethingUniqueR
.val 0.013596 xmr
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Wallet
somethingUniqueR: ≈$4.0402 • ≈ value of: 0.013596 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm
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abcdefg_irssi
.val 0.01
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Wallet
abcdefg_irssi: Help: .val <amount> coin <coin2> - Ticker prices for common coins & fiats. No value results in market details
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abcdefg_irssi
.val 0.01 xmr
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Wallet
abcdefg_irssi: ≈$2.9703 • ≈ value of: 0.01 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm
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abcdefg_irssi
u need to make $1.9 more before you can take it out of the bot
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abcdefg_irssi
why is monero broken for cockbox i had to pay with btc
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abcdefg_irssi
trash
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yanmaani
abcdefg_irssi: If you're going to buy a service, why not pay for it?
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abcdefg_irssi
wanted to pay for a vps with monero
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abcdefg_irssi
but kept getting 404 error
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abcdefg_irssi
had to pay with btc
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yanmaani
well that seems like vincent's fault
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yanmaani
should open a ticket
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nc1236[m]
yeah, sounds like it's on their end, not XMR's fault
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abcdefg_irssi
oh yeah it is on his end
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abcdefg_irssi
sorry wasnt trying to make it seem like it was an issue with xmr
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rupee[m]
.xmr
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Wallet
rupee[m]: ≈$298.9256 • ≈ value of: 1 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm
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abcdefg_irssi
mooning
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rupee[m]
.xmr
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Wallet
rupee[m]: ≈$299.3002 • ≈ value of: 1 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm
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lza_menace
.tip abcdef_irssi -1
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Wallet
lza_menace: User 'abcdef_irssi' not found on 'freenode'. Either they don't exist or they don't have an active bot account
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lza_menace
:P
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spoontechtips[m]
Hey, does anybody here happen to know a replacement service for xmr.to, now that they've shut down? Would really appreciate some suggestions
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Bill48105
what did xmr.to do
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selsta
xmr -> btc swap
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donkeydonkey[m]
had friends recently use changenow and it worked easy peasy
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abcdefg_irssi
i just used tradeogre
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abcdefg_irssi
i would recommend it for btc xmr or whatever it supports
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Bill48105
.pause
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Wallet
Bill48105: Bot is EMERGENCY
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Bill48105
.pause here ONLINE
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Wallet
Bill48105: zBot is now ONLINE for #monero@freenode
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Bill48105
swore i fixed that guess not
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abcdefg_irssi
hey
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abcdefg_irssi
anyone here
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abcdefg_irssi
wanna help me
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abcdefg_irssi
with ubuntu
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Bill48105
nope
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Bill48105
what kind of help
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Bill48105
monero related? lol
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Bill48105
and yes tradeogre is nice marlet
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Bill48105
market even
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Bill48105
ok oops i see the issue. fixed now (really this time lol)
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abcdefg_irssi
no not monero related :(
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abcdefg_irssi
ssh related
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abcdefg_irssi
on a new ubuntu install
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Bill48105
tough to try without knowing the question
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abcdefg_irssi
im kind of at a loss
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Bill48105
kek
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Bill48105
me too without knowing your question
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abcdefg_irssi
trying to configure this server with a static IP
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abcdefg_irssi
kex_exchange_identification: read: Connection reset by peer
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abcdefg_irssi
keep getting this error when trying to connect via ssh
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Bill48105
did you try google :D
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abcdefg_irssi
i feel like i configured the network wrong because i did it manual not dhcp
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Bill48105
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abcdefg_irssi
yes
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abcdefg_irssi
furiously googling
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Bill48105
did you read them
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abcdefg_irssi
yes
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Bill48105
that page i just linked goes into very specific detail on things to check..
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abcdefg_irssi
im going to check again
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abcdefg_irssi
thats the first link i went through it but ill try again
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Bill48105
right do that. or maybe try in #alt.linux they're pretty bright bunch in there especially nix related
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abcdefg_irssi
yeah ill try them if this doesnt work
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Bill48105
dont tell em i sent ya that way if you annoy the piss out of em they don't take it out on me lol
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abcdefg_irssi
i wont
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abcdefg_irssi
ur secret is safe for me thx for the tips
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abcdefg_irssi
wish me luck
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Bill48105
omg good luck
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gumman
.bal
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Wallet
gumman: 0.0002797 XMR
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gumman
.faucet
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Wallet
gumman: Of 7 <-> 9, which is 7
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gumman
7
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Wallet
gumman: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000016 XMR to gumman [ddca0176] Wait ≈23 hrs 57 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.0123397
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pixelized[m]
syncing was at 71.8 percent
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pixelized[m]
now it's at 80.1 percent
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pixelized[m]
took 20 hours
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pixelized[m]
don't do this on a pi you guys
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pixelized[m]
why did i have to have inadequate disk storage
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pixelized[m]
why o why
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PapuaHardyNet
why is tether not dead yet
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PapuaHardyNet
I am sure that tether's fall is going to cause a crash in most cryptocurrencies. Only problem is that tether is *still* alive and being used ubiquitously
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selsta
pixelized[m]: did you try pruning?
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pixelized[m]
i want to run a full node
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pixelized[m]
i just wanted to do the sync on a more powerful machine, but it did not have adequate disk space, sadly
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pixelized[m]
and i don't want to use the drive from the pi with the other machine because it also houses my private and open cloud storage
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pixelized[m]
'''cloud'''
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pixelized[m]
besides, i'd have to move a shelf to get to it
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gumman
pixelized[m], why not mount an NFS from the pi and syncing the blockchain through a more powerfull machine?
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gumman
I think you could even do some shenanigans like ftpfs
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PapuaHardyNet
ftpfs? file transfer protocol file system?
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gumman
yes
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gumman
mount an FTP directory as a filesystem
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PapuaHardyNet
makes sense
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pixelized[m]
<gumman "pixelized, why not mount an NFS "> hmmmmm that's actually not a bad idea!
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pixelized[m]
and it's relatively easy to do as wel
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pixelized[m]
* and it's relatively easy to do as well
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pixelized[m]
but wouldn't read/write speed become a worse bottleneck?
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pixelized[m]
probably not, i guess it won't be worse than how fast the blockchain downloads
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gumman
I'm not 100% sure but isn't NFS only capped by network speed and the pi's disk access speed?
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gumman
and in any case, faster than what the pi can do on its own
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pixelized[m]
gumman: thank you :)
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pixelized[m]
i'm very pleased about this
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moneromooo
NFS does not support mmap IIRC.
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moneromooo
But do try, and see if monerod tells you about it :)
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roger_
.balance
-
Wallet
roger_: • Your balance is: 0.0001328 XMR (≈0.04 USD)
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somethingUniqueS
clear
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pixelized[m]
<moneromooo "But do try, and see if monerod t"> monerod hasn't complained at all so far
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pixelized[m]
but i'm actually using sshfs
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pixelized[m]
i guess the network is a pretty serious bottleneck though, as, so far, the speed seems about equal to what it was on the pi
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gumman
pixelized[m], hmmm, that's odd - can you test read/write speed of sshfs independently of the monero syncing?
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qay-
Hi community, I need a little help for installation Monero on a PI4 with 8 GB. Installed is a Raspbian arm64 and all dependensies has been install like the tutorial on getmonero.org. but it isnt possible to configure with make or make -j4 ect
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qay-
the download of the app for armV8 has been done but by try to start ./monerod an error occours .... illegal instruction..... could you give me some advisement or an informtion for a clean install by a tutorial ?
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Mochi101
qay-, that may be outdate... try
gitlab.com/TalusUnheil/moneropi
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moneromooo
This means you got a binary for the wrong arch, or one which uses optoinal instructions not present on your CPU.
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Mochi101
qay-, or also this is even more updated:
github.com/monero-ecosystem/PiNode-XMR
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moneromooo
You can try running monerod with this env var set: RANDOMX_UMASK=65535. If this works, we can get into more details.
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moneromooo
Sorry, MONERO_RANDOMX_UMASK=65535.
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qay-
Mochi101 >> the version linuxarm7 is not working . I have tried
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qay-
moneromooo >>> same error >> illegal instruction
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moneromooo
You're really sure you're running the right binary, the one you downloaded, right ?
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qay-
I have tried the version of getmonero.org >>> for armV7 with error ./monerod no such directory . ( I started in the folder with the command) by using the app armV8 from getmonero.org the error is >>> illegal instruction
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qay-
the dependencies has been downloaded as advised from the tutorial of getmonero.org
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moneromooo
In the "no such directory" case, what does "file monerod" output ?
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qay-
moneromooo >>> little moment please
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qay-
moneromooo >>> path has been changed to monero-arm-linux-gnueab.... in this folder the command ./monerod has been started
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qay-
feedback from system >>> ./monerod : No such file or directory
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moneromooo
Then find the monerod. ./monerod is not an OS command, it means "run the file called monerod that is in hte current directory". So find where monerod is, and run ./path/monerod when the path is known. Or cd to that path, then run ./monerod again.
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qay-
ah ... ok ... I will do this
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Mochi101
export PATH=*:$PATH
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Mochi101
fixed
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moneromooo
o_O
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Mochi101
:P
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JaakkoLuttinen[m
Where can I give feature requests? Opening GitHub issues is limited to users that have contributed to the repository in the past..
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JaakkoLuttinen[m
(To monerod)
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moneromooo
Just mention it here I guess.
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JaakkoLuttinen[m
Ok.. Here's the first one for monerod: RPC login should support hashed passwords. It's bad practice to store passwords in plain text as `--rpc-login` requires. For instance, Linux stores users' passwords hashed.
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JaakkoLuttinen[m
Then, for all RPC clients (e.g., monero-wallet-cli, monero-wallet-gui, monero-wallet-rpc): Let the user require verification of the SSL certificates. As far as I understand, currently any SSL certificate is accepted, so there's no protection from MITM attack. If enabled, require the user to list accepted certificates and possibly automatically accept CA-signed certificates.
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JaakkoLuttinen[m
But I guess that request I can open in those repos 🤔
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moneromooo
There's a cert whitelist, though I think the behaviour was changed at some point. But it should still be there.
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moneromooo
I'll file the first one for you.
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moneromooo
If the whitelist does not work, I can file a bug about it too.
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JaakkoLuttinen[m
For monerod, I'd like more flexible definition of various RPC endpoints. Now there are two ports (normal and restricted) and it's sometimes confusing which option affects which. For instance, does `--rpc-login` affect both or just one? How can use different logins for them? Personally, I'd like to have three ports: one for localhost that doesn't require any credentials (for other processes on the same machine), one
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JaakkoLuttinen[m
over SSL requiring credentials (for my various wallet clients) and one without credentials but with RPC payments (for any other users). So, I'd like to see much more flexibility in how RPC is defined: arbitrary amount of RPC ports and each one has its configuration. This is very impractical with command-line options though..
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JaakkoLuttinen[m
But at least the very minimum: `--rpc-login` could be set only for the restricted RPC port (e.g., `--rpc-restricted-login` which defaults to `--rpc-login` if not given).
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qay-
now I started the configuraton by make -j4 again
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qay-
[ 65%] Built target tx-extra_fuzz_tests
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qay-
[ 65%] Built target difficulty-tests
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qay-
[ 65%] Built target ringct
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qay-
make[2]: Leaving directory '/home/xxxxx/monero/build/Linux/master/release'
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qay-
make[1]: *** [Makefile:141: all] Error 2
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qay-
make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/xxxxxx/monero/build/Linux/master/release'
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qay-
make: *** [Makefile:104: release-all] Error 2
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moneromooo
Tha'ts not helpful, the real error is before that.
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moneromooo
-j4 will require gobs of RAM fwiw.
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qay-
moneromooo >>> ok I will check the installation again. Thanks for help
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eryziyvlwhhb
Word of guys running Monero community should be BELIEVED. Why would anyone that stole money and laughed at the losers that took the bait ever have a reason to lie to you? www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6d6okb/what_fluffypony_just_did_is_not_ok/
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ieatglueinthegul
Based XMR chads putting fiat simps on suicide watch
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gumman
what is it with the recent fluffypony spam?
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h0tf1x[m]
How would a 3 year old dead Reddit link prove their point?
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JaakkoLuttinen[m
moneromooo: Another feature request would be `--rpc-restricted-login`. If not given, it could perhaps default to what's given by `--rpc-login`. However, in that case, I'm not sure how to unset any login requirements with `--rpc-restricted-login` if `rpc-login` is given..
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ieatglueinthegul
It's some glowie spreading FUD, just ignore him
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Mochi101
gumman, it's not recent. It's ongoing, for months and months now.
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pixelized[m]
<gumman "pixelized, hmmm, that's odd - ca"> on the machine itself, 1 gb takes about 2.7 secs to write
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pixelized[m]
to the sshfs... well i don't know how long it takes, it's been a hot minute and dd is still not finished
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pixelized[m]
ah!
-
pixelized[m]
1gb in 67 secs
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gumman
I assume you're working in LAN, right? what's your switch maximum speed? what about each NIC (I think a pi is 1gbps?), and finally, are you using optimal cables for all?
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pixelized[m]
i'm not using optimal cables for all
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pixelized[m]
the pi has about optimal connectivity
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gumman
15 Megabytes per second, even with such write speed your computer should produce better results than software computation of AES in the pi
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pixelized[m]
my other machine does not since it rarely needs it for anything
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pixelized[m]
<gumman "15 Megabytes per second, even wi"> hm...
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pixelized[m]
strange
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pixelized[m]
the results aren't better at all
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pixelized[m]
what makes it even stranger is that synchronizing the blockchain on this machine before went a lot faster
-
pixelized[m]
(without the sshfs)
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pixelized[m]
admittedly, you gotta sort of discount the first half
-
pixelized[m]
but it still did 50-70% in a couple of hours
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gumman
but you can't store the entire blockchain on it, correct?
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cstfrqde[m]
<moneromooo "I'll hit the hay soon, but what "> I ran `monerod --log-level=2` for a few hours last night and ran `sync_info` from time-to-time. When I saw `_` at the beginning of the lines with `o`s I looked at the monerod logs, but didn't see anything different. AFAICT every line starts with a timestamp followd by either a `D` or `I`
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pixelized[m]
i can't, yeah
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pixelized[m]
that's why i moved to the pi
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gumman
a tough one to figure out
-
pixelized[m]
the slow write speed might be because of the difference in upload/download speed
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pixelized[m]
there wasn't much uploading before, but with the sshfs there is
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gumman
I'm thinking about squashfs or some other method for you to store the blockchain in a compressed form transparently to monerod
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pixelized[m]
but yeah if what you say is right about 15mb/s (and i'm inclined to believe that it is)
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pixelized[m]
then it's a tough nut to crack
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moneromooo
Great. Paste the log from the start from that last run up until the time you see a '_' at the start of the sync_info line.
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gumman
I guess yeah, compression is the last resort - I don't know if its worth your time though, you mentioned you're at 80% with a growth rate of about 5% a day?
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pixelized[m]
i wonder
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pixelized[m]
of course this is theoretically possible, but i'm not sure if it's supported by monerod
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gumman
could be a fun project regardless
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pixelized[m]
would it be possible to move the chain to a separate drive
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pixelized[m]
but keep like the last 10 percent on the old one
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gumman
solutions like squashfs are transparent to the program
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pixelized[m]
and keep syncing from there?
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gumman
the program "sees" a regular filesystem, but your disc holds it in compressed form, (un)compression happens on the fly
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moneromooo
"the start from that last run" can be grepped by the last "Oxygen" in the log.
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pixelized[m]
it could be a fun project, but given that i don't have much time to actively spend on this sort of thing it would probably turn out to take about as long as just waiting for it to finish on the pi :P
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moneromooo
Does squashfs support mmap ? lmdb requires it.
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moneromooo
Oh. That's one thing to consider actually, if switching the wallet cache to lmdb...
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gumman
hahah, yeah, I would try to start from the highest % you can get on the pi and just wait it out at this point
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moneromooo
Do dumb USB sticks support mmap...
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moneromooo
I suppose it's mostly software on any block device.
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gumman
it seems like squashfs supports mmap
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pixelized[m]
and it's a fun idea as well, but i don't think it'll be worth it
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pixelized[m]
sshfs was a nice thing to try :)
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pixelized[m]
i guess i'm just going to wait it out
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pixelized[m]
i'm not in a hurry, anyway
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gumman
it's nice how flexible linux/posix is
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cstfrqde[m]
<moneromooo ""the start from that last run" c"> moneromooo: so I should upload everything after `Oxygen` in the logfile to pastebin?
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pixelized[m]
gumman: yes, it is. anytime i do this sort of highly unixy thing something deep in my soul lights up
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moneromooo
Between the last one before the test, up to the moment you see a _ first in the sync_info line.
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cstfrqde[m]
got it.
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moneromooo
If too large, I guess you can compress and base64.
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cstfrqde[m]
There's no personally identifying info in monero logs right? just want to make sure before I upload.
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moneromooo
There might be your home directory (and thus login name).
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moneromooo
Possibly your architecture. Can't think of anything else.
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binaryFate
v0.17.2.0 binaries are now available at getmonero.org
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cstfrqde[m]
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moneromooo
That's binary. Use base64, uuencode, or xxd.
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hv-bridge
<\\ Hamed //> can i run xmrig in host with cron job?
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charolastra
what? why?
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rbrunner
Anyone fancy a beta test of a unusual new Monero web wallet I built with no mainnet support and give some feedback here?
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gumman
rbrunner, count me
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rbrunner
It's called TechWallet is aimed at newcomers wanting to learn to operate wallets, and also people wanting to learn more about Monero's inner workings
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rbrunner
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rbrunner
Please do not yet make too much noise about it in other places, e.g. Reddit. Testing comes first. Thanks in advance.
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selsta
rbrunner: is it custodial?
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rbrunner
It's a strange middle thing. It manages the wallets on a server of mine through monero-wallet-rpc. But the web wallet is running all server-side, not in your browser.
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rbrunner
For testnet wallets you can display the seed and restore elsewhere if you like.
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usernetinternet[
<rbrunner "It's a strange middle thing. It "> So its custodial then?
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rbrunner
Well, if you like. As I write on the homepage: "I can steal all your coins".
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rbrunner
But no mainnet, hence does not matter.
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selsta
A place to learn about monero is nice :) But yea, should be clear that it is custodial.
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selsta
Right, I meant if it goes live on mainnet.
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rbrunner
It won't.
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selsta
ok I misunderstood, then it does not matter if custodial or not
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rbrunner
Yeah, maybe I should make it clear that "no mainnet" is not merely a beta things, but that no mainnet ever.
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rbrunner
Countdown to server crash because never under any signicant load so far in 10 ... 9... 8 ... :)
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gumman
rbrunner, requested some monero and went to the wallet page and let it refresh
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gumman
after the coins have been confirmed i still see the old unconfirmed transaction
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gumman
after a refresh I still see that
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dEBRUYNE
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rbrunner
gumman: If you like, you can PM me the wallet name, so I can have a look
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boogerlad[m]
Is there any documentation on zeromq? I saw a commit from mid 2020, but can't find anyone using it
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selsta
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selsta
github.com/vtnerd/motrix is an example that uses it
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boogerlad[m]
Thank you so much! That example will come in handy
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boogerlad[m]
Any reason why it's not on getmonero.org? Still a WiP?
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selsta
rbrunner: any way to see if technet or testnet is used?
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selsta
I forgot which one I chose :D
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rbrunner
It's on the wallet page, top left, under "Network"
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selsta
do you have a technet address I can send funds to?
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rbrunner
Just to try? You can also easily create a second wallet and play ping-pong with yourself.
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rbrunner
You can send gumman some, they are also testing: 9xVGf9ZwJXP7TyuhLNvqnRPpmv85vs794PJfDaZvrFCoeYQWFu3pr3YZGbBUFBAN9D4qvkByKxebPeyezXYYa1gtC5MuzJ6
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selsta
ok sent them a piconero :D
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rbrunner
Or a wallet of mine:9zem5rGsZbn1A5kSHQWkDr4guMEwYFKcoBS6Q9eocV7qDLpv6EWgtAPhGjtySoA9VUGoMAe7y5Xr9SGD6hxMN2JuNFo2F5S
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rbrunner
Did you already click on the name of a transaction to view the details? I am especially proud at that.
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selsta
names are an interesting idea
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rbrunner
Does not completely crazy?
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rbrunner
*Does not look
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selsta
I did not see that before lol
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rbrunner
Yeah, if you don't have the burden to handle other people's money you are free to play, also design-wise
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rbrunner
If other people wonder what we are talking about: It's beta-testing my new non-mainnet web wallet at:
monerotech.info/Wallet
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rbrunner
As in "no mainnet ever", so we are all free to play until we understand Monero
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Mochi101
rbrunner, do you think we can get testnet or stagenet xmr listed on Tradeogre?
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Mochi101
Didn't fluffypony do a presentation on something like that at CCC?
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rbrunner
Not sure. I just know I wrote a fiction short story about giving testnet coins value ...
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Mochi101
oh maybe that was you
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rbrunner
Never was at any CCC however
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Mochi101
can't place why this is in my memory
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rbrunner
Well, now testnet has a nice web wallet, that's a start, isn't it :)
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Mochi101
I must've read it.
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Mochi101
link?
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rbrunner
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Mochi101
no... to your story
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rbrunner
Oh, ok
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rbrunner
Give me a sec
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rbrunner
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Mochi101
Ah yes!
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Mochi101
lol... thanks
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Mochi101
This was a good read.
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rbrunner
Thanks!
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yanmaani
Mochi101: the first step is to start trading it
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yanmaani
set up a bot that continually quotes prices and trades on IRC
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somethingUniqueR
rbrunner: If I sent real xmr to a techwallet address, what would happen on mainnet, could I use the 25 words from the tchwallet to init a real mainnet wallet?
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Mochi101
market making bot
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Mochi101
somethingUniqueR, try it
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rbrunner
somethingUniqueR: Seeds themselves are of course "valid" on every net, they just encode a certain spend secret after all.
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rbrunner
So yes, that way you would be able to "rescue" your mainnet XMR
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rbrunner
However, TechWallet only gives you testnet addresses for both its nets, those starting with "9" or "A". You can't possible transfer to mainnet with those
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fluffypony
Mochi101: a presentation on what?
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rbrunner
Starting to trade technet XMR, I think
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Mochi101
Giving testnet/stagenet coins value... was my imagination though
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Mochi101
sorry for the ping
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somethingUniqueR
rbrunner: Thanks for the info, I need to read more about what going on under the hood of monero in general
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rbrunner
You are welcome. And maybe play with my wallet, it's meant for learning.
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rbrunner
For me it's almost hypnotic to let send 10 txs automatically in a churn and watch the outputs change in full detail :)
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somethingUniqueR
I shall
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alexanarcho[m]
if there are german-speaker present: we will begin our monthly stammtisch in 30 minutes
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alexanarcho[m]
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alexanarcho[m]
open to all that want to participate
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yanmaani
with triptych, what's the ring size gonna be? limited by cpu verification speed?
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rupee[m]
.xmr
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Wallet
rupee[m]: ≈$299.8495 • ≈ value of: 1 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm
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rupee[m]
.soak $2.998495
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Wallet
rupee[m]: Really soak 0.01000007 XMR? y/n (10s)
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rupee[m]
y
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Wallet
rupee[m] soaked 0.00066 XMR (0.01000007 Total) upon 15 users @ 438 minutes Wallet yanmaani dEBRUYNE hv-bridge somethingUniqueR moneromooo binaryFate PapuaHardyNet eryziyvlwhhb gumman charolastra rbrunner selsta fluffypony Mochi101 @bonuspot (0.00010007 scraps) [2d1ff53c]
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Mochi101
wow, thanks rupee[m]
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Mochi101
I am so wet now.
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hyc
tmi
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rupee[m]
300! 💯💯💯
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rbrunner
.xmr
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Wallet
rbrunner: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.
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Wallet
rbrunner: ≈$299.8836 • ≈ value of: 1 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm
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rbrunner
.balance
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Wallet
rbrunner: • Your balance is: 0.00066 XMR (≈0.2 USD)
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rbrunner
Wow.
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rbrunner
Finances further development of my wallet :) Thanks.
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moneromooo
yanmaani: dunno, yes, resp.
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moneromooo
Sadly, verification time is still mostly linear.
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nuez[m]
XMR surpassed 300 USD. Let's keep it this way.
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apotheon
I wanted to buy some wild game jerky with Monero, but the place selling it is in the EU.
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apotheon
I'm sad.
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Inge-
Are the xmr.to alternatives currently in existance, decent?
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Inge-
I miss xmr.to
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nc1236[m]
310 dollars now
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Mate[m]
<Inge- "Are the xmr.to alternatives curr"> xmr.is
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Mate[m]
<Inge- "Are the xmr.to alternatives curr"> xmr.is
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Mate[m]
but I think it's down right now
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Mate[m]
only tried it once
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Inge-
I heard someone say thei exitscammed
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Inge-
or at least warn people
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Inge-
heh. xmr.to was above suspicion
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Mate[m]
wait what
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Mate[m]
more details on that please
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Lyza
fixedfloat.com and changenow.io both support fixed rate swaps which are good for paying invoices, similar to xmr.to
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rupee[m]
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Lyza
fixfloat also supports lightning network
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Mate[m]
<Lyza "fixedfloat.com and changenow.io "> changenow.io randomly locks funds and forces KYC. Avoid
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PNK[m]
i miss xmrto so fuckin much
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Lyza
ah I know they trigger KYC sometimes but haven't heard of anyone not at least getting refunded. also as long as you're swapping xmr>btc you really shouldn't have to worry about getting flagged by chainanalysis. diff story if you're going btc>xmr
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raecarruth
PNK[m]: me too :(
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Mate[m]
sideshift.ai is good, no KYC and has fixed rate
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Mochi101
.usd
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Lyza
anyway afaik FixedFloat has no KYC, and really good rates. they don't seem super well known but I've had great luck for awhile now. ymmv of course
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Mochi101
$317
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Mochi101
wow
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Lyza
one thing that's weird and I dislike about sideshift and also fixedfloat is that they publicly list every swap done
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Lyza
including the amounts :/
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PNK[m]
i mean essentially every exchange does that
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ra33it0[m]
I got in because I liked the tech but today’s gains are insane
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ra33it0[m]
Is it because of the GitHub activity regarding atomic swaps?
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Lyza
I don't think changenow, morphtoken, or xmr.to ever did
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Lyza
<ra33it0[m]> pretty sure it's just alt season lol
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Mate[m]
<Lyza "I don't think changenow, morphto"> yeah that's not very good for privacy
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Mochi101
Lyza, it's to inspire confidence and build community trust.
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moneromooo
Makes up for insane losses a few months back.
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zrtlebxc
Dear fireice_uk. I must strongly object to you reporting our great Monro community members to Freenode for racism AND getting people K-lined as a result! i.imgur.com/R0T9GGY.png THEY ARE NOT NEO-NAZI!!! THEY ARE JUST SAYING NEO-NAZI THINGS!! i.imgur.com/JYu44As.png I know this because they have been nice to me and made me their Magical Crypto Friend! If you don't cease immediately I shall throw another tantrum!
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zrtlebxc
Monero Community Member PS. You are interrupting my session of masturbation to The Man in the High Castle.
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Mate[m]
wtf lol
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azy
soynitch
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azy
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abcdefg_1rssi
hello
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jlpfosfqeqxs
Will you HODL XMR or dump it for Tari when it comes out? Will others?
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ra33it0[m]
<jlpfosfqeqxs "Will you HODL XMR or dump it for"> What is tari?
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Bill48105
if only there was a bot that managed new users eh.. auto quiet upon join until they solve text captcha in pm or with notices :D
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moneromooo
An altcoin based on mimblewimble, it'll merge mine with monero.
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moneromooo
On my list. When I get a bit of time.
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moneromooo
Or should I say when it feels like somehting I'll enjoy doing because it'll probably be short lived :D
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netrik182
I remember seeing monero-guard bot sometime ago
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PapuaHardyNet
wtf changenow.io forces KYC
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PapuaHardyNet
I should have added a question mark to the end of my previous message
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usernetinternet[
$310 stablecoin
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moneromooo
Probably got a visit from the stasi. I remember when this "people are strongarmed to spy on others by the govt" shit from behind the iron curtain was seen as horrendous and nothing that'd happen in our so very free society...
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moneromooo
Well, the iron curtain didn't go down. It just moved to gobble up everyhting.
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jj1013[m]
<PapuaHardyNet "wtf changenow.io forces KYC"> Well, shit.
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jj1013[m]
Time to wait for Atomic Swap.
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jj1013[m]
Hey, does anybody think Monero can be backed by something thanks to Proof of Work?
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usernetinternet[
<jj1013[m] "Hey, does anybody think Monero c"> You probably could but no one would accept that
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jj1013[m]
<usernetinternet[ "You probably could but no one wo"> Monero could have value even when being decentralized.
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Mochi101
PapuaHardyNet, doesn't seem so
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jj1013[m]
<jlpfosfqeqxs "Will you HODL XMR or dump it for"> "Tari", yet another shitcoin? Was not Firo's existence enough?
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nc1236[m]
<PapuaHardyNet "wtf changenow.io forces KYC"> You sure? It's not asking me for KYC
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vikrantsCake[m]
Does anyone know should i should ask why am i restricted from posting in Monero-community?
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moneromooo
Maybe because it might also get spammed by the jerk and they'd set the v flag ?
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moneromooo
I'm not there so I don't know, I'm just speculating :)
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spoontechtips[m]
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vikrantsCake[m]
<moneromooo "Maybe because it might also get "> the jerk?
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nc1236[m]
they do, but only when you trade high amounts
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vikrantsCake[m]
<spoontechtips[m] "they do have KYC
changen"> We have been using them in Cake for close to 3 years now, no one has had a KYC pulled on them. I think they write that to cover their ass.
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nc1236[m]
I've heard of people getting KYC'd when they do very high volume trades
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nc1236[m]
they don't KYC otherwise (I never have)
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moneromooo
Some asshole has been spamming a few monero channels for months, I was thinking it might also be happening in #monero-community.
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apotheon
What's the transaction size threshold on ChangeNOW?
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moneromooo
If so, setting +v is an easy way to tone that down, with collateral damage.
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moneromooo
nc1236[m]: do you have a vague idea of what counts as very high volume for them ?
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nc1236[m]
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nc1236[m]
they don't disclose it
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moneromooo
Holy shit, 10 BTC :D
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moneromooo
Thanks
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nc1236[m]
not sure if that's accurate
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nc1236[m]
trade with small amounts if you're concerned
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nc1236[m]
again, ChangeNow doesn't disclose their KYC limits, per their reply to OP's post
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PNK[m]
320 stable coin
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PapuaHardyNet
nc1236[m]: most people I know use teddit.net. You might be interested in that as another reddit frontend alternative
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Inge-
I wonder if Binance will need to revisit their 2BTC limits in the future, as price goes up.
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PapuaHardyNet
why is monero rising in price btw?
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PapuaHardyNet
Is it just ATH hype?
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Inge-
In hindsight, it was inevitable.
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clavi
moonero
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PapuaHardyNet
is there any CLI app you guys recommend for tracking cryptocurrency prices, especially with respect to each other (or other arbitrary currencies)?
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nc1236[m]
I use both interchangeably
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PapuaHardyNet
your previous message wasn't sent
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nc1236[m]
<PapuaHardyNet "nc1236: most people I know use t"> I use both interchangeably
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nc1236[m]
I forgot to reply to you directly
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PapuaHardyNet
nc1236[m]: man the IRC did not send it here
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clavi
I'm also interested
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clavi
nc1236[m]: which tools are you using?
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PapuaHardyNet
see? irc users are missing out on your wisdom
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moneromooo
/nick ComplyFast
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nc1236[m]
<clavi "nc1236: which tools are you usin"> For what specifically?
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clavi
>CLI app you guys recommend for tracking cryptocurrency prices
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clavi
what PapuaHardyNet asked earlier
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PapuaHardyNet
oh damn
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PapuaHardyNet
nc1236[m]: was talking about teddit and libreddit
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PapuaHardyNet
not CLI cryptocurrency trackers
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clavi
oh lol
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nc1236[m]
try ```curl rate.sx/xmr```
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PapuaHardyNet
sweet
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nc1236[m]
it updates prices every 5 minutes
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ieatglueinthegul
Why are we pumping so hard wtf
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ieatglueinthegul
Did acer decide to pay that $100m ransom or what
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jj1013[m]
<ieatglueinthegul "Did acer decide to pay that $100"> What!? Ransom?
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ieatglueinthegul
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nc1236[m]
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ieatglueinthegul
kek
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moneromooo
That would be such a downer...
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nc1236[m]
You can do ```curl rate.sx/1xmr``` to get the price of XMR
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nc1236[m]
rate.sx has a lot of features
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PapuaHardyNet
why would that be a downer moneromooo
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PapuaHardyNet
also, ransomware seems like a very profitable line of business
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Mate[m]
because that means it's not organic
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jj1013[m]
<nc1236[m] "rate.sx has a lot of features"> Those guys even host an XRP price chart.
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Mate[m]
but that ransom expired in march I'm sure that's not it
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Mate[m]
<jj1013[m] "Those guys even host an XRP pric"> that's not a good thing
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jj1013[m]
<jj1013[m] "Those guys even host an XRP pric"> Do people not know XRP is a mere P&D?
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PapuaHardyNet
such a huge pump is never organic
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PapuaHardyNet
what is XRP and why is it being shilled?
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nc1236[m]
XRP is scammy
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ieatglueinthegul
<PapuaHardyNet "such a huge pump is never organi"> That's my concern as well
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jj1013[m]
<PapuaHardyNet "such a huge pump is never organi"> It is a centralized BTC clone shitcoin shilled because people """believe""" it is going to spike in price
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jj1013[m]
Then there's DGB, which I have no idea what the fuck it is but people think it is going to spike, too.
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jj1013[m]
I call bullshit on both, the real thing is at NANO (feeless).
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jj1013[m]
<jj1013[m] "I call bullshit on both, the rea"> Then again, no privacy.
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Bill48105
.val xmr usd
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Wallet
Bill48105: XMR -> USD • Avg: ≈322.71 • ccc/OKEX: ≈$321.6 24HΔ: 13.38839% Vol: 422.95K [0m] • cmc: ≈$323.82 24HΔ: 12.45483% 7DΔ: 23.68053% [< 17m]
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Bill48105
wowza nice :)
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usernetinternet[
Bitcoin maxis seething about monero on twitter
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as2333
ripple is yet another shitcoin, but not a btc clone
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ieatglueinthegul
All the og btc evangelists have gotten into xmr, the btc maxis nowadays are just normalfag linkedin fintech grifters and hedgefund degenerates
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jj1013[m]
<as2333 "ripple is yet another shitcoin, "> What is so unique about it?
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Bill48105
gotta urban dictionary half of those terms
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clavi
ieatglueinthegul: this
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as2333
jj1013[m], nothing. It's something supposedly used by or targeted at the banking mafia.
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jj1013[m]
<Bill48105 "gotta urban dictionary half of t"> CRYPTO TERMINOLOGY FOR GOODNESS SAKE
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jj1013[m]
> <@freenode_Bill48105:matrix.org> gotta urban dictionary half of those terms
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jj1013[m]
* **CRYPTO TERMINOLOGY FOR GOODNESS SAKE**
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usernetinternet[
ieatglueinthegulag:
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Bill48105
if you say so.. "normalfag" is crypto term? news to me
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clavi
yes it is
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Bill48105
lol
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jj1013[m]
<usernetinternet[ "IMG_20210411_213619_502.jpg"> Remind you Atomic Swaps are going to be a thing so BTC + XMR is obligatory.
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Bill48105
never heard of fintech either or "maxis"
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ieatglueinthegul
<Bill48105 "gotta urban dictionary half of t"> They are all just scum trying to make quick and dirty cash by gambling with boomers' savings
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jj1013[m]
<clavi "yes it is"> what?
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Bill48105
sounds like gibberish to sound cool
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clavi
"normalfag" being a crypto term
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Bill48105
yeah i can gather the bottom feeding scum part
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PapuaHardyNet
maxis = maximalists, those who put all their shit into something like XMR or BTC
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jj1013[m]
<Bill48105 "never heard of fintech either or"> "Maxis" are those people who cling to BTC and won't let go, they will bully anything and anyone not clinging into BTC just like them by using stupid excuses.
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PapuaHardyNet
fintech = financial technology, it is a very common term in tech spaces.
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jj1013[m]
<PapuaHardyNet "maxis = maximalists, those who p"> XMR is too good to have maxis.
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PapuaHardyNet
s/financial/finance
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clavi
think wirecard
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clavi
these kind of people
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moneromooo
PapuaHardyNet: I like to think monero goes up because people changed their minds and think they want privacy.
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usernetinternet[
Being a maximalist in anything is really the dumbest thing you can be in crypto
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usernetinternet[
Different coins have different uses even if you think that some are useless
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PapuaHardyNet
mate just buying XMR is taking me days
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Bill48105
just sounds like cliquey terms to me but guess they make sense
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usernetinternet[
moneromooo: me too
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usernetinternet[
The privacy argument is an easy one too, you can just ask them if they want to take a sh*t on camera and they realize how important privacy is
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PapuaHardyNet
It takes a rather astute, greedy, or passionate person to get into XMR
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ieatglueinthegul
<jj1013[m] "XMR is too good to have maxis."> Yeah, cause most of us don't treat use the tech just to pump dopamine in our brains with instant gratification from gambling, we actually want to use it as money
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ieatglueinthegul
> <@jj1013.:privacytools.io> XMR is too good to have maxis.
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ieatglueinthegul
* Yeah, cause most of us don't use the tech just to pump dopamine in our brains with instant gratification from gambling, we actually want to use it as money
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PapuaHardyNet
wait until Musk shills monero for the lulz
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jj1013[m]
<PapuaHardyNet "mate just buying XMR is taking m"> Where do you buy them (non-KYC)?
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PapuaHardyNet
I have a friend who has a KYCed account
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PapuaHardyNet
He is buying me an altcoin that he can withdraw (they forbid XMR withdrawal)
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clavi
Bill48105: >cliquey
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PapuaHardyNet
I plan to next buy XMR with it
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clavi
every group has its jargon, cryptocurrency is no different
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PapuaHardyNet
once the pump falls
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Inge-
PapuaHardyNet: what exchange forbids xmr withdrawal?
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jj1013[m]
Is there an instant exchange I can use with no KYC?
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jj1013[m]
For XMR?
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raecarruth
btc to xmr?
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raecarruth
or fiat to xmr?
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PapuaHardyNet
Inge-: I'd rather not get into details about it, if you don't mind
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vikrantsCake[m]
<jj1013[m] "Is there an instant exchange I c"> Built into cake wallet on iOS and Android
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Inge-
PapuaHardyNet: that's completely fine. with KYC, Kraken is easy - direct fiat/xmr onramp. Binance (not US), tradeogre, kucoin all support xmr
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jj1013[m]
<raecarruth "or fiat to xmr?"> Fiat
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jj1013[m]
Zelle.
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nc1236[m]
<jj1013[m] "Is there an instant exchange I c"> You can use changenow with small amounts
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jj1013[m]
Does ChangeNow not use KYC?
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jj1013[m]
I would probably end up losing the money because I am on Venezuela.
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jj1013[m]
Those dudes are so not going to accept a Venezuelan ID.
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PapuaHardyNet
why not?
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nc1236[m]
<jj1013[m] "Does ChangeNow not use KYC?"> For crypto -> crypto, I've never been asked
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PapuaHardyNet
crypto -> crypto is the easy bit
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PapuaHardyNet
fiat on ramps and off ramps are the bottleneck
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Bill48105
sorry clavi but some of those terms seemed borderline offensive not just descriptive so yeah cliquey
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jj1013[m]
<PapuaHardyNet "crypto -> crypto is the easy bit"> So Crypto -> Crypto is no KYC?
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Inge-
jj1013[m]: is monero specifically useful in Venezuela now?
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PapuaHardyNet
rarely do you get KYCed when doing crypto -> crypto
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jj1013[m]
<Inge- "jj1013.: is monero specifically "> Nope. People in here are (vaguely though) interested in Nano instead.
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Inge-
I guess feeless has a ring to it
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Bill48105
making up pet names for others, especially disparaging or with negative connotations, is things kids do in school
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jj1013[m]
Though I have seen no one talk about cryptocurrency to me over here.
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jj1013[m]
Nano seems to be a thing on Valencia.
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jj1013[m]
I find myself in Táchira.
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PapuaHardyNet
Bill48105, my man, maxi is a short form for maximalist, which is a term that isn't disparaging at all.
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PapuaHardyNet
jj1013[m], is there an inflation going on in Venezuela that's incentivizing people to get crypto?
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Inge-
jj1013[m]: so is USD the best thing then?
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Bill48105
PapuaHardyNet where did i say maxi was the one I was referring to?
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Bill48105
oh right keep making assumptions eh
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PapuaHardyNet
meh
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Bill48105
point was seems odd to make up pet names for others
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nc1236[m]
jj1013.: are you looking to get crypto as an investment or just to use it?
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clavi
Bill48105: many of these memes and terms come from imageboards where people can be rude due to the anonymity
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Bill48105
that would explain a lot eh
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moneromooo
Bill48105: ur just a salty bill
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Bill48105
i dont frequent such things
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ieatglueinthegul
<Bill48105 "point was seems odd to make up p"> excluding the terms normalfag and degenerate all the rest are terms that these groups have labeled themselves voluntarily
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Bill48105
kek
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jj1013[m]
<nc1236[m] "jj1013.: are you looking to get "> Very little as an investment. I want to use crypto as my main currency since I am still young and I do not have money in my posession except XMR.
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Bill48105
"all the rest" meaning i was right
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jj1013[m]
I do not have my own cash, and it is rare for parents to just give out bucks to their children.
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jj1013[m]
Over here, at least.
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jj1013[m]
I think.
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jj1013[m]
Or mine just don't.
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jj1013[m]
Yup, underage.
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nc1236[m]
<jj1013[m] "Very little as an investment. I "> Are you afraid of your govt knocking on your door over possessing it? As soon as you withdraw your XMR from a KYC exchange, they have no clue where it goes from there
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Bill48105
hardly salty moneromooo just making observation
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nc1236[m]
It's the equivalent of withdrawing physical cash from a bank
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moneromooo
no u
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Bill48105
i did :)
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moneromooo
/nick mooo[m]
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Bill48105
/nick mooo[o]
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Inge-
jj1013[m]: anyway, monero withdrawal fees are really low most places, so you should be able to use binance or tradeogre or some such for exchanging crypto-crypto (with the caveat I don't know if any geo-block venezuela)
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Bill48105
on the Oprah network
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phone[m]
.val xmr euro
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Wallet
phone[m]: You must have bot account & be logged in
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jj1013[m]
<nc1236[m] "Are you afraid of your govt knoc"> Not too much. The government here may have a lot of power and may be causing a lot of destruction, but they are just stupid. I just want to have my own bank, since they can charge the fees they would like on me. Also, banks can be robbed. I would prefer to be responsible for my own money. For that reason, I am looking forward to get either a hardware wallet or a
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jj1013[m]
GrapheneOS-powered smartphone.
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jj1013[m]
Privacy is something I am interested in, too.
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rdymac
Say Government is stupid. Government has been running the country for 23 years in a row and no one haven’t even been able to take them down for a minute.
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rdymac
Yeah, looks like a pretty dumb government
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jj1013[m]
<jj1013[m] "Privacy is something I am intere"> Nobody should be snooping on what the heck am I doing with my money. With NANO, you could just watch the block explorer and read a post of mine on Reddit.
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jj1013[m]
<rdymac "Say Government is stupid. Govern"> Because no one is interested. The government here all they care about is the money.
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PapuaHardyNet
looks like everyone attracted to xmr are either libertarians or capitalists
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PapuaHardyNet
I doubt we have any leftists or commies in our midst
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rdymac
PapuaHardyNet: “ is there an inflation going on in Venezuela” - The highest in the world for the longest time ever
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gingeropolous
yep. those 2 . thats it
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anon_udxf6fdz[m]
Bail blocks is leftish
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jj1013[m]
<rdymac "Say Government is stupid. Govern"> Trump was the only one who seemed to have tried to get the job done with our corrupt government, unlike Obama who simply did not give a reply.
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PapuaHardyNet
imagine if redistribution of monero was baked into the currency lmao
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anon_udxf6fdz[m]
* Bail bloc is leftish
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azy
trump is still MY president!
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jj1013[m]
Now he is not the president anymore, god knows if Biden is against or with our government, because our fucking dictator praised Biden for his election. Does that not sound fishy?
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jj1013[m]
* Now he is not the president anymore, god knows if Biden is against or with our government, because our fucking dictator praised Joe Biden for his election. Does that not sound fishy?
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gingeropolous
<PapuaHardyNet> imagine if redistribution of monero was baked into the currency lmao >> except one could argue it is
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jj1013[m]
* Now he is not the president anymore, god knows if Biden is helping or making worse our already corrupt government, because our fucking dictator praised Joe Biden for his election. Does that not sound fishy?
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usernetinternet[
jj1013.: is it true that a lot of people use bitcoin cash in venuzuela?
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PapuaHardyNet
gingeropolous: please explain
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Bill48105
or maybe your dictator hated trump because he was ass to him & the people there..
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ieatglueinthegul
<gingeropolous "<PapuaHardyNet> imagine if redis"> Those would have to be pretty weirdass arguments
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gingeropolous
tail emission could be interpreted as redistribution mebbe
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sech1
tail emission is just returning lost coins back into circulation
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jj1013[m]
<usernetinternet[ "jj1013.: is it true that a lot o"> Blatant lie. No one talks to me about crypto in here. The most I have seen somebody interested in crypto is a friend of a worker of my dad's business, which only was interested in BTC.
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jj1013[m]
> <@usernetinternet:matrix.org> jj1013.: is it true that a lot of people use bitcoin cash in venuzuela?
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jj1013[m]
* Blatant lie. No one talks to me about crypto in here. The most I have seen somebody interested in crypto is a friend of a worker of my dad's business, which only was interested in BTC (not BCH).
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jj1013[m]
If there's something I know people are interested in here is Nano, because of the faucets. I am interested in Nano because of the TX speed.
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usernetinternet[
PapuaHardyNet: that would suck, taxes on transactions ontop of mining fees are cancer
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gingeropolous
oh the speed
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PapuaHardyNet
nah, redistribution != taxes
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jj1013[m]
<usernetinternet[ "PapuaHardyNet: that would suck, "> Say hello to Dash ~
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PapuaHardyNet
In the end, redistribution of resources is necessary to prevent a capitalist society from disintegrating into chaos due to too much economic and / or political inequality
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usernetinternet[
PapuaHardyNet: having a certain % of your transaction being redistributed is taxation...
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usernetinternet[
Plus you would have to know everyones address in order to send it to them
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PapuaHardyNet
I'm not seriously advocating for redistribution being part of monero, simply because it would destroy fungibility
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usernetinternet[
PapuaHardyNet: monero does not need your politics baked into it
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jj1013[m]
And somehow the wazzocks at Element let not only Dash climb on the top of the "suggested groups", but also Firo. By looking at the chart, you can tell it is an obvious P&D.
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PapuaHardyNet
calm down man
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jj1013[m]
* And somehow the wazzocks at Element let not only Dash climb on the top of the "suggested groups", but also Firo. By looking at the chart of the latter, you can tell it is an obvious P&D.
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PapuaHardyNet
also, monero is explicitly political. just because you agree with its politics (and I find it better than whatever goes on right now) does not make monero apolitical
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apotheon
I find it rather annoying when people start trying to imply irrational mental states for people with whom they disagree.
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PapuaHardyNet
hello apo
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apotheon
PapuaHardyNet: Apolitical or not, jj1013[m] suggested you not try to bake *your* politics into it, which are clearly not the politics already baked into it.
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apotheon
hi
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Bill48105
aren't we all crazy? :)
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apotheon
I'd describe Monero's politics as more anti-political, not apolitical.
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apotheon
Bill48105: surely
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jj1013[m]
<PapuaHardyNet "also, monero is explicitly polit"> What?
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PapuaHardyNet
redistribution is not my politics :P. It was a joke that turned into a thought experiment that clearly put off usernet
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moneromooo
I'd describe monero's politics as "leave me the fuck alone, you fucking creep". That's what attracted me to it.
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apotheon
moneromooo: pretty much antipolitical
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moneromooo
A policy of not looking under my skirt.
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moneromooo
And/or me having the right to kick anyone's face trying it.
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PapuaHardyNet
I come to monero mostly because it is what the cypherpunks dreamed of.
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apotheon
I like the cypherpunk angle m'self.
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apotheon
also the antipolitical angle
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jj1013[m]
<moneromooo "A policy of not looking under my"> Thank goodness I did not need to assume your gender.
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usernetinternet[
moneromooo: has there been any big blocks in recently?
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usernetinternet[
* moneromooo: has there been any big blocks recently?
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apotheon
s/has/have/
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apotheon
while we're correcting things
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moneromooo
Dunno. I have not looked.
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usernetinternet[
Is it true that fees on monero will fall when there are larger blocks? (As there is more space per block)
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usernetinternet[
I was listening to an ArticMine interview an he said fees drop with the square of the blocksize
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usernetinternet[
* I was listening to an ArticMine interview an he said the min fee drops with the square of the blocksize
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moneromooo
Yes (ceteris paribus).
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usernetinternet[
theblockcrypto.com/linked/101252/ciphertrace-software-defi-protocols-comply-ofac-sanctions
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usernetinternet[
Lol ciphertrace saying DEXs need to engage in censorship to prevent "weapons of mass destruction programs"
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usernetinternet[
Fuck these chainanalysis companies
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nc1236[m]
seriously, I hope monero fucks them over
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usernetinternet[
They would unironically tell you that kim jong un is doing token swaps on uniswap to fund his nuke program😂
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jj1013[m]
<usernetinternet[ "They would unironically tell you"> "Token swap" ETH is nowhere near private.
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yanmaani
usernetinternet[: I like how they go from nukes to "they hacked an exchange once" in a few sentences
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Bill48105
and done call me shirley :D
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Mochi101
.faucet
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Wallet
Mochi101: Of 4 <-> 1, which is 4
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Mochi101
4
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Wallet
Mochi101: @bonuspot tipped 0.000002 XMR to Mochi101 [edb30054] Wait ≈1 day 1 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01243107
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Mochi101
.balance
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Wallet
Mochi101: • Your balance is: 0.01270861 XMR (≈4.13 USD)
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Mochi101
.tip Wallet 0.01270861
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Wallet
Mochi101 tipped 0.01270861 XMR (≈$4.13) to Wallet [c7ccb4e4]
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Mochi101
Perfect circular economy.
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Bill48105
lol
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Bill48105
woo thanks for the tip :)
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Bill48105
.xmr donate @bonuspot $1
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Wallet
Bill48105: @$1 - invalid amount (not a number)
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Bill48105
oh right
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Bill48105
.xmr donate @bonuspot 0.003
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Wallet
Bill48105: You tried to donate 0.003 but you only have 0.00090119 XMR
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Bill48105
LOL
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usernetinternet[
Did you know that the top darknet marketplace WHM was down for like 2 days a few days ago and moneros daily transaction count barely fell during thay period
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usernetinternet[
The fud about monero only being for darknet markets isnt true
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nc1236[m]
^^^^^
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Bill48105
.xmr donate @bonuspot 0.003
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Wallet
Bill48105: Donated 0.003 XMR, thank you very much for your donation [1849d8e0] - @bonuspot balance: 0.01543107
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nc1236[m]
how can i use bots to move around XMR on here?
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pixelized[m]
i think this bot just moves IOUs
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charolastra
well, what % of the DNMs is WHM?
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nc1236[m]
* how can i use that wallet bot to move around XMR on here?
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clavi
BTC used to have FUD too until big investors accepted it
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nc1236[m]
ah
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Bill48105
to use Wallet here you need to be registered & identified on freenode. to use it there on matrix you need to be in a channel with the bot
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Bill48105
and yes the bot is all off-chain except deposit/withdraw but that's pretty obvious since it's instant & no fees to tip/soak etc
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Bill48105
it's walletbot on matrix & in various places but you're welcome to use it in the bot channel #wallet:matrix.org
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Bill48105
not much goes on in there there's only a few people. most of the matrix users are in doge & roger channels
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usernetinternet[
Do you think its fair to assume that chainanalysis companies are running nodes and feeding users transactions they own in the ring?
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Bill48105
you have an account automatically for each platform. you can tip between your accounts to move coins or use the .move command to merge accounts from multiple platforms into 1 usable from each
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moneromooo
Running nodes, yes. The other thing... sounds creepy, not sure what that means.
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Bill48105
like honey pot inputs?
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nc1236[m]
always run your own node
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Bill48105
seems prudent if you weigh security & privacy over convenience
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nc1236[m]
with the rise in the number of tx's, it's possible that they're trying to taint ring signatures. Triptych will make it harder for them to do this though
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Bill48105
but we know how most people are..
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Bill48105
lazy F's who take the easy route
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usernetinternet[
moneromooo: sorry for my bad explaination😅 i meant that they could give you 10 decoy transactions that they 'own'
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moneromooo
If you mean spraying outputs to hope people use more of their outputs in their rings, I don't know.
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moneromooo
They can't select outputs for others though.
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moneromooo
No then.
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moneromooo
Well, they could, at a push, but it'd make the tx invalid. So I guess they could use that to determine to spend output, but the tx would not actually go ahead and it'd be obvious to the sender.
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Bill48105
poor brent
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moneromooo
So, again, don't use a stranger's node, you don't know what kind of creep they are.
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Bill48105
sounds like sound advice for glory holes too
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moneromooo
(apologies to any strangers who aren't creeps, I'm sure there's lots of you people ::)
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Bill48105
stranger danger is legit teachable moment
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usernetinternet[
moneromooo: thanks for the quick reply, still trying to learn how monero works 😅
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Bill48105
.xmr tip dev.bordecraft:matrix.org@matrix $0.01
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Wallet
Bill48105 tipped 0.0000309 XMR (≈$0.01) to devbordecraft ⚡🤘🚀👀 on matrix [5900e7cb]
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devbordecraft[m]
.balance
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Wallet
devbordecraft[m]: Access denied for balance. Are you logged in?
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Bill48105
you arent reg'd here on freenode & accounts are not merged to access from both you have to check thre on matrix
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» Bill48105 gives brent a reliable internet connection & a nice bouncer
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gumman
.faucet
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Wallet
gumman: Sum of 1st million digits of pi, times zero
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Bill48105
0
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gumman
0
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Bill48105
beat ya
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Wallet
gumman: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000003 XMR to gumman [531fdbdc] Wait ≈23 hrs 53 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01543077
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gumman
lol :)
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Bill48105
wonder how many people actually start adding up in their head lol
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gumman
maybe with a smaller equation
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gumman
first 3 digits of pi
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gumman
;)
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Bill48105
well the pi thing has multiple questions & yes for some you really do need to add up the 1st few digits
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louipx
ouch
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moneromooo
Sum of the first 16 digits of 000000000000000.
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Bill48105
kek 1 :)
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moneromooo
0.000000000000000000231 (on untel)
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moneromooo
Damn that joke is old.
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Bill48105
ya float
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Bill48105
poor brent
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gumman
what exactly is the support level of i2p on monerod? can I sync on i2p? I know I can broadcast messages to nodes (send coins) over i2p but what about other func?
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Bill48105
maybe brent is on a train lol
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devbordecraft[m]
.balance
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Wallet
devbordecraft[m]: Access denied for balance. Are you logged in?
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nerowero[m]
Is Monero going to the moon?
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devbordecraft[m]
.balance
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Wallet
devbordecraft[m]: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.
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Wallet
devbordecraft[m]: • Your balance is: 0 XMR
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Bill48105
congrats devbordecraft[m] you figured it out :)
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Bill48105
now you can do the move process to merge them if you like
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abcdefg_irssi
.help
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Wallet
abcdefg_irssi: I'm a cool multi-coin multi-platform bot by Bill48105. Docs:
bill48105.github.io/wallet | My core commands: .balance .deposit .faucet .ping .soak .tip .val .withdraw | .help <games|share|misc|other> to see others | .help <cmd> for more details.
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abcdefg_irssi
.val xmr
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Wallet
abcdefg_irssi: XMR -> USD • Avg: ≈325.59 • ccc/OKEX: ≈$328.68 24HΔ: 12.63107% Vol: 482.51K [< 1m] • cmc: ≈$322.51 24HΔ: 12.12269% 7DΔ: 23.40926% [< 1h]
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abcdefg_irssi
holy shit
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Bill48105
nice eh
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abcdefg_irssi
yeah wow
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abcdefg_irssi
i bought more last night too
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Bill48105
nice
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abcdefg_irssi
still at suicide stack levels
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abcdefg_irssi
cuz im so late to buying and holding
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abcdefg_irssi
but im not selling for at least a year
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nerowero[m]
I think Ethereum is a better blockchain
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Bill48105
topkek
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Bill48105
you're in wrong place :D
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abcdefg_irssi
enjoy $80 gas fees
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nerowero[m]
Ethereum is implementing proof of stake soon
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nerowero[m]
Monero has ugly code according to Mobile Coin dev
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abcdefg_irssi
oh hes griefing me
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Bill48105
lol
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nerowero[m]
Isn't the code bad?
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Bill48105
nah but i hear windows code is
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nerowero[m]
I get that but Monero is new you could fix it
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nerowero[m]
I'm not sure how successful Monero can be if you don't attract top developers like Vitalik
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abcdefg_irssi
is this like
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usernetinternet[
<nerowero[m] "Monero has ugly code according t"> Mobile coin has ugly origins
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abcdefg_irssi
dont take the bait lol
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nerowero[m]
Half bait half serious
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nerowero[m]
Aren't they legitimate issues?
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abcdefg_irssi
idk im going out to dinner u have fun with this one
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nerowero[m]
How will Monero nodes sync if you allow infinite transactions per block?
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nerowero[m]
It's not going to be realistic any time soon for a node to be able to sync 50 tb of data.
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usernetinternet[
<nerowero[m] "It's not going to be realistic a"> Its unrealistic to assume the blockchain is going to go from 120gb to 50tb suddenly
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usernetinternet[
Modern cpus can sync the blockchain super fast
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usernetinternet[
The idea that block sizes should be limited to 'prevent centralization' is stupid af as small blocksizes actually force people off chain onto centralized platforms
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nerowero[m]
Fair point, I haven't thought of it like that. What about the awful cryptonote code? Isn't a lack of documentation and ugly unreadable code how vulnerabilities begin to be found?
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nerowero[m]
The Mobile Coin dev probably has a point.
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nioc
<Mochi101> Perfect circular economy. <<>> oh nooooo
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nioc
<3 mooo
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usernetinternet[
nerowero I am not a dev so i cant answer that properly but there are a few in this chat
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usernetinternet[
I dont think monero has had issues due to code design before
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usernetinternet[
* nerowero I am not a dev so i cant answer that properly but there are a few in this chat.
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usernetinternet[
I dont think monero has had issues due to code design before
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nioc
infinite blocks are not a reality with monero
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nioc
and no way the chain can go from 120GB to 50TB suddenly
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nioc
hold on, I think I have short circuited
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nioc
please ignore
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» moneromooo power cycles nioc
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nioc
thx :)
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nerowero[m]
nioc: I don't entirely understand why not. I understand that miners supposedly get penalized for increasing the block size if the recent blocks weren't filled but how does that stop spam transactions from bloating the network if fees are constantly small? Do fees ever increase? How?
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usernetinternet[
I think the idea of network 'bloat' is a misnomer, if someone wanted to spam a 1000 ramdomly they have every right to do so kek
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usernetinternet[
* I think the idea of network 'bloat' is a misnomer, if someone wanted to spam 1000 txs randomly they have every right to do so kek
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nioc
there are other controls on quick block increases
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nioc
probaly a max size as well
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moneromooo
Fucking firefox, it's reset the download pdf to view pdf, and people wonder why is so fucking easy to pwn...
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usernetinternet[
You need to spam for a long time to change the median block size
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moneromooo
Fucking evil, still does it after re-setting the option to save.
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moneromooo
Same when they fucked up the disable js or disable images. Idiots.
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nerowero[m]
So with a Monero fee of $0.003 usd per transaction it would only cost $150,000 to add roughly 46 gb to the blockchain?
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nerowero[m]
That could happen today if an attacker wanted to, no?
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nerowero[m]
50 million transactions
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usernetinternet[
Based im sure the miners would appreciate the 150k tip😂
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nerowero[m]
If the attacker sustained that for weeks, why wouldn't miners lift the block size to accommodate 50 million transactions a day?
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nerowero[m]
Sure, but it wouldn't be sustainable for the nodes?
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nerowero[m]
$150,000 isn't a lot to some attackers.
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nerowero[m]
a day
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usernetinternet[
<nerowero[m] "If the attacker sustained that f"> They would
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usernetinternet[
Nodes could handle it
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nerowero[m]
46 gb a day? Surely not.
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nerowero[m]
Not everyone can afford a 100tb server.
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nerowero[m]
Not right now.
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nerowero[m]
This could happen today.
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ndorf
$150k/day in new income would probably help with that
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nerowero[m]
The miners would have to begin donating to node operators, but sure they could.
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hyc
fees are dynamic, not static
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usernetinternet[
I have a 3900x running my node and have 10tb of free disk space with GBit internet i could handle it
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nerowero[m]
Wouldn't a theoretical 10 tb monero blockchain today cause issues syncing wallets, even remote wallets, since you'd have to scan all of the transactions?
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usernetinternet[
Block sizes reduce the mining reward so you would have to subsidize the lost coinbase tx to the miner with your tx fees
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usernetinternet[
It would cost a lot more that 150k a day to do that
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hyc
have fun trying to generate 10tb worth of txns
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usernetinternet[
* Larger Block sizes reduce the mining reward so you would have to subsidize the lost coinbase tx to the miner with your tx fees
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nerowero[m]
A nation state could, easily.
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hyc
a state could do a lot of things easily. none of those have been done
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usernetinternet[
A nation state could do that to any blockchain
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nerowero[m]
I still think the ugly code is a problem/
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nerowero[m]
mobile coin
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usernetinternet[
<nerowero[m] "I still think the ugly code is a"> Have you ever looked at moneros code?
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nerowero[m]
no but the mobile coin dev has
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nerowero[m]
he says its bad
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hyc
that guy deleted his statement
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hyc
so, not really credible
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nerowero[m]
ive heard fluffy call it shit
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hyc
most devs call their code shit
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usernetinternet[
<nerowero[m] "no but the mobile coin dev has"> So you are going to trust the developer of a rip off scam token over monero which has had over 500 dev contribute?
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hyc
find any project that claims their code is perfect. go ahead, I'll wait.
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moneromooo
LMDB
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» moneromooo runs
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usernetinternet[
* So you are going to trust the developer of a rip off scam token over monero which has had over 500 devs contribute?
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nerowero[m]
no but ive heard multiple people say it's not very good so isn't it a concern because vulnerabilities lurk in old shitty code nobody can read?
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usernetinternet[
<nerowero[m] "no but ive heard multiple people"> This is some of the word fud i have heard in ages really
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usernetinternet[
* This is some of the worst fud i have heard in ages really
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nerowero[m]
but..the vulnerabilities
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selsta
nerowero[m]: our cryptography code is not old and shitty
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hyc
it's not entirely fud. that's why the code is always being improved on
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nerowero[m]
if the code is ugly and still shit from the cryptonote days shouldn't it be a concern since you have to trust the inflation bug doesn't exist?
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hyc
^ that's not a concern no
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hyc
because as selsta says, the crypto code was not inherited from cryptonote
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moneromooo
Much of it was.
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moneromooo
Pretty much all the basic src/crypto is from CN.
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jj1013[m]
<hyc "^ that's not a concern no"> Inflation has nothing to do with software AFAIK, it has to do with trade price.
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usernetinternet[
<nerowero[m] "if the code is ugly and still sh"> Moneros cryptography does not allow double spends/inflation bugs
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moneromooo
Though that's actually a copy of djb's code.
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hyc
nothing relevant to an inflation bug is original cryptonote now. ringct is all new.
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selsta
most realistic attack vectors are p2p related, like we had in December
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endor00[m]
<usernetinternet[ "Moneros cryptography does not al"> The cryptography may not, but its software implementation could (in principle)
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selsta
but that's not project destroying stuff
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nerowero[m]
how has/was/is a future sybil attack going to be mitigated? a blacklist of ip addresses doesn't exactly sound like a workable solution for what is supposed to be a decentralized network
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usernetinternet[
<nerowero[m] "how has/was/is a future sybil at"> Doesnt Dandelion++ prevent this?
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selsta
no one claimed a blacklist is the solution to sybil attacks
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nerowero[m]
so what is?
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hyc
there are no 100% decentralized solutions to sybil attacks. at the end of the day, any number of splintered networks could be "valid"
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selsta
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selsta
but it's a huge task and will take time
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nerowero[m]
alright thanks for dealing with me, i cant think of anymore fud, ill go fill my bags