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nioc
btc gets lost so it will trend to 0 btc anyway
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nioc
so many hard drives in garbage dumps
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nioc
people die holding their keys
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nioc
and ofc.... whoops
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nioc
btc
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nioc
another useless shitcoin
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apotheon
har
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apotheon
What about XMR?
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apotheon
or Doge or Litecoin
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Bill48105
true story: the bot supports all 4 of them :)
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apotheon
five, counting BCH
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Bill48105
oh yeah i wasn't counting that piece of shit
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apotheon
I don't have any Litecoin, and don't even know the ticker symbol.
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Bill48105
(or i can't count lol)
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Bill48105
.ltc
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Wallet
Bill48105: ≈$221.182 • ≈ value of: 1 LTC • Source: cmc/ccc/altm
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Bill48105
.ltc tip apotheon $0.01
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Wallet
Bill48105 tipped 0.00004521 LTC (≈$0.01) to chaper [ffd3da3f]
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Bill48105
now you do :)
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apotheon
neat
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apotheon
I'll figure out how to change it to XMR in my balance later.
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apotheon
gotta go; ta
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Bill48105
have fun
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Bill48105
you do .ltc xtip all xmr :)
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nioc
I only have eyes for Monroe
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nioc
and her weird cute little sister wow
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Bill48105
wait she's got a younger hotter sis? :o
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nioc
cute
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Bill48105
but is she legal
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nioc
probably not
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Bill48105
that's a shame just like her older sis eh
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nioc
:)
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usernetinternet[
.wallet
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Bill48105
not a command
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abcdefg_irssi
.xmr
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Wallet
abcdefg_irssi: ≈$286.6841 • ≈ value of: 1 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm
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abcdefg_irssi
ncie
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usernetinternet[
What are the commands?
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Bill48105
they're on .help which you can PM Wallet as well
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Bill48105
you're not registered or logged in on freenode so most commands wont work for you in "Guest" mode
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Bill48105
the bot is on matrix though so if you join a channel there or pm it there you could
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Bill48105
it's a little confusing over bridges especially how matrix does bridging
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Bill48105
but by default when you are on freenode from matrix you are a guest. not on a registered freenode account and not logged in (identified) here on freenode
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Bill48105
so the bot has no way to verify who you are
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Bill48105
on matrix the bot is logged in as walletbot
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Bill48105
not much goes on there besides testing but you're welcome to join #wallet:matrix.org to test/use the bot
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usernetinternet[
.help
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Wallet
usernetinternet[: Access denied for help. Are you logged in?
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Bill48105
you'd either need to register usernetinternet[ here on freenode & then login manually with chanserv when you wanted to use the bot here, or join freenode directly using a registered account on an irc client, or use the bot there on matrix
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usernetinternet[
<Wallet "usernetinternet: Access denied f"> Nope will find out how to login later
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Bill48105
cool but yeah those are your options to use the bot
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swrangsar
can monerod background mine with a pruned blockchain?
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swrangsar
because the full one is too big in size
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usernetinternet[
<swrangsar "can monerod background mine with"> If you mine on a pool no chain download needed
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swrangsar
what are the major limitations of a pruned blockchain over the full one?
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swrangsar
guess it would work for wallet-cli balance check etc.
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selsta
swrangsar: yes you can mine with a pruned chain
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selsta
no major limitations
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usernetinternet[
<swrangsar "what are the major limitations o"> Cant get decoys from whole chain
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selsta
usernetinternet[: that's incorrect
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selsta
as far as I know only specific ring signature data is pruned that isn't relevant for decoy selection.
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mysteryhunter
is monero transactions completely anonymously?
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mysteryhunter
meaning no one can check who when made tx to who?
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mysteryhunter
or from where the coins came from
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selsta
monero isn't 100% anonymous the same was tor isn't 100% anonymous
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usernetinternet[
<mysteryhunter "is monero transactions completel"> This is generally true
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mysteryhunter
but its as anonymous as tor?
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usernetinternet[
<mysteryhunter "but its as anonymous as tor?"> Yep all transactions are hidden except to you
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fibonacci
Gonna delete irc for a bit see ya later
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mysteryhunter
cya leo
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kitty_hut[m]
<mysteryhunter "but its as anonymous as tor?"> Wdym?
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Bill48105
.pause here ONLINE
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Wallet
Bill48105: zBot is now ONLINE for #monero@freenode
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kayront
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mechanic41turk[m
kayront: wow how is this different from what Chinese government is doing with monitoring/censoring WeChat messages?
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mechanic41turk[m
EU is CCP nao
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kayront
it isn't
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mechanic41turk[m
well, end to end encryption fixes this.
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mechanic41turk[m
EU oligarchs can gfy
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kayront
that is precisely what they are trying to get rid of :D
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kayront
because literally, save the children
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mechanic41turk[m
muh children
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kayront
... by having them grow up in a society where everything they read do write and are is archived in the state database
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kayront
seems legit
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kayront
where do I sign up_
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mechanic41turk[m
you save children not by undermining secure/private comms; you save the children by moving them away from the "screens", by letting them interact with other children offline, on a natural environment.
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raphanus[m]
Noob question but I have a Monero node with a login and password. I would want to let my friends/family connect to the node easily (Cake wallet or Desktop Wallet). If I remove that login and password, what can anyone do to my node?
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moneromooo
The same as anyone else.
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moneromooo
If it's exposed to the internet, run with --restricted-rpc, which will disble things like "exit", or "start_mining".
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moneromooo
This is still usable to sync one's wallet.
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raphanus[m]
Its not like Bitcoin nodes where you can listaccounts and dumpprivate keys right ? (although I don't have any money there)
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moneromooo
You could also set it to require SSL and give it a list of allowed cert fingerprints. Or just one. And give those people the cert.
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Mumuks[m]1
<kayront "because literally, save the chil"> The same children they traffic with and prostitute...
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moneromooo
The daemon does not have your wallet keys.
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raphanus[m]
I could give them the login/pass now but I was thinking of making it simpler
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raphanus[m]
<moneromooo "The daemon does not have your wa"> Cool, thanks
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raphanus[m]
So its all good with restricted-rpc
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Psynthax
wtf... government can stop you from running a node by entering into your computer using a backdoor build into windows OS and killing the process... how do I defend against it ?
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Livefreeordie[m]
Don't use Windows
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dryafloat[m]
<Livefreeordie[m] "Don't use Windows"> Any good alternatives to windows?
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Livefreeordie[m]
Qubes, Tails, Debian
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Livefreeordie[m]
At least for Monero
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dryafloat[m]
How about for general daily use cases
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Livefreeordie[m]
Debian is still excellent for daily use cases imo. But I just use Tails basically for Monero, Windows with very strict W10Privacy settings for something like gaming and just put my Tails USB stick somewhere else
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Livefreeordie[m]
That's the advantage of a live OS like Tails
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mechanic41turk[m
Live free or die great nym btw
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Livefreeordie[m]
Haha thanks
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gumman
.faucet
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Wallet
gumman: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in?
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gumman
.bal
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Wallet
gumman: 0.0002707 XMR
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gumman
.faucet
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Wallet
gumman: How many numbers in 93
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gumman
2
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Wallet
gumman: @bonuspot tipped 0.000009 XMR to gumman [d04c645b] Wait ≈23 hrs 54 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.0123544
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mechanic41turk[m
.bal
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Wallet
mechanic41turk[m: Access denied for bal. Are you logged in?
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mechanic41turk[m
No.
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msvb-mob
Hello folks, today at 18:00 UTC we have the Monero Village at Defcon 29 meeting on #monoero-events where you are welcome to attend.
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peacefulnight[m]
<Psynthax "wtf... government can stop you f"> source?
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Psynthax
source?
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Psynthax
I can record a video and show you
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peacefulnight[m]
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Livefreeordie[m]
Or W10Privacy
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peacefulnight[m]
I can't remember what it's called, but there is a subreddit for it...
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peacefulnight[m]
where people basically debloated and minimized Windows10...
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charolastra
and next tuesday all that work is invalidated because M$ deployed an update on your machine
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peacefulnight[m]
Try ubuntu, friend : )
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peacefulnight[m]
(or tails?)
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peacefulnight[m]
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peacefulnight[m]
I'm just going to randomly paste this here, but have not tried it out and will continue to endorse a dedicated linux machine for your node needs.
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peacefulnight[m]
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peacefulnight[m]
Same with this, it was the stripped Windows I was referring to in the beginning.
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pixelized[m]
to everyone who thinks they have something interesting to respond to this:
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pixelized[m]
what are your personal reasons for using monero?
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Lyza
people with actually interesting answers may be reluctant to share :D
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Lyza
not me mind you. I am uninteresting. I just like private currency that works and is accepted places.
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pofagjulqpof
Howard Chu is a high IQ scholar, he has more Google images with a violin than Sting with a guitar, he singlehandely saved NASA from doom. Why can't the saviour of NASA save Monero?
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Lyza
cpe-67-240-65-152.nycap.res.rr.com HMMM
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pixelized[m]
<Lyza "people with actually interesting"> i think you're on the nose there :P
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pixelized[m]
but.. there are interesting moral takes some people have based on personal experience
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pixelized[m]
and they're very shareable
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louipc
i thought he already saved monero
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mechanic41turk[m
<pixelized[m] "what are your personal reasons f"> To level the playing field between the individual and the tyranny of the social structures.
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Lyza
I've definitely got personal experience with payments being censored by central parties for arbitrary and unexplained reasons that makes me really value CCs generally but esp. Monero
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jess
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ieatglueinthegul
<pixelized[m] "what are your personal reasons f"> Because I hate [redacted]
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pixelized[m]
syncing the blockchain on a raspberry pi 🎶
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pixelized[m]
gonna take a bloody week
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pixelized[m]
and light the house on fire
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pixelized[m]
<ieatglueinthegul "Because I hate [redacted]"> don't we all ;)
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hyc
would take months on a first-generation Pi
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Complylast
does rpi4 has aes-ni?
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hyc
no
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Complylast
ouch
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hyc
no raspberry pi models do
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hyc
Broadcom never licensed it
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hyc
and they make all the Pi SOCs
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Complylast
oh ok
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pixelized[m]
yup, sadly no proper hardware
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pixelized[m]
hence the suffering
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pixelized[m]
i did a little over 70% on another machine but it ran out of disk space
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pixelized[m]
and the raspberry pi is probably about 10x slower
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hyc
I no longer use any of my Pis for anything
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pixelized[m]
why not? they're useful little things
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hyc
I've got a geekbox that I still do ARM64 builds on
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hyc
and a bunch of AMLogic S912 TVboxes that I deploy monero stuff on
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Complylast
geekbox is the asus one?
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hyc
geekbox is geekbox
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pixelized[m]
i have a couple, use only one of them and i use it for way too much important stuff
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hyc
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Complylast
I see
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pixelized[m]
but i like the fact that i have more in case i want to set something up or give some network space to a friend
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Complylast
remember seeing this before
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pixelized[m]
admittedly, i wouldn't like having them as much if i had paid for them :P
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pixelized[m]
but yeah i think the pi is a neat device
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hyc
it's obsolete now, but it's a nice device
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hyc
rockpro64 is a good choice now
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hyc
I also have a Beelink GT-King, Amlogic S922x. very good unit
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hyc
unfortunately it only comes with a 32bit OS. But I think mainline linux kernel support for it is out now
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pixelized[m]
ah that's a bummer
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hyc
-
hyc
I guess they've fallen on hard times, the site didn't used to be so overrun with ads
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hyc
also this rockchip 3368 has a PowerVR GPU, there was never an open source driver for this
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Complylast
so you're stuck with android for full acceleration?
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hyc
we used the Android binary driver on Linux by wrapping it in a shim layer
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Complylast
cool
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hyc
anyway, the current crop of cheap TVboxes all run rings around these things. and any Pis.
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binaryFate
I'm running a node on a rockpi 4
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binaryFate
It runs great even with the most crappy basic heatsink included in the box
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somethingUniqueR
.balancd
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somethingUniqueR
.balance
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Wallet
somethingUniqueR: • Your balance is: 0.0001291 XMR (≈0.04 USD)
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somethingUniqueR
.faucet
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Wallet
somethingUniqueR: Triangle is how many sides?
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somethingUniqueR
3
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Wallet
somethingUniqueR: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000037 XMR to somethingUniqueR [f6cba6e3] Wait ≈1 day 47 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.0123507
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somethingUniqueR
.balance
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Wallet
somethingUniqueR: • Your balance is: 0.0001328 XMR (≈0.04 USD)
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somethingUniqueR
.val 0.012023
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Wallet
somethingUniqueR: Help: .val <amount> coin <coin2> - Ticker prices for common coins & fiats. No value results in market details
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somethingUniqueR
.val 0.012023 xmr
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Wallet
somethingUniqueR: ≈$3.5094 • ≈ value of: 0.012023 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm
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somethingUniqueR
.val 1 xmr
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Wallet
somethingUniqueR: ≈$291.9068 • ≈ value of: 1 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm
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Mochi101
.faucet
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Wallet
Mochi101: Of 6 ? 9, which is 6
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Mochi101
6
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Wallet
Mochi101: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000038 XMR to Mochi101 [84353d9e] Wait ≈23 hrs 59 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.0123419
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Mochi101
.balance
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Wallet
Mochi101: • Your balance is: 0.0000038 XMR (≈0 USD)
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Mochi101
noice!
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Mochi101
.tip Wallet 0.0000038
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Wallet
Mochi101: Oops: 0.0000038 - invalid amount (must be 0.00001 or more)
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apotheon
Mochi101: You have Wallet dust.
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Mochi101
yes... but it can grow into a hairball
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Mochi101
.balance doge
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Wallet
Mochi101: • Your balance is: 5.01 DOGE (≈0.32 USD)
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apotheon
Yeah, unlike with BTC (or other cryptocurrency) addresses, you can just treat all incoming transactions as part of the same "address" in Wallet.
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Mochi101
.balance eth
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Wallet
Mochi101: • Your balance is: 0.0000038 XMR (≈0 USD)
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apotheon
It's kind of amusing and, at the same time, depressing, to think about the economics of dust on blockchains.
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Mochi101
the doge is separate from the XMR
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apotheon
oh, weird
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apotheon
I should figure out how to consolidate under a single cryptocurrency, I guess.
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Mochi101
You have a DOGE balance?
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apotheon
tiny, yes
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apotheon
Hm. There's no documentation on some commands on the documentation page.
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Mochi101
.balance
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Wallet
Mochi101: • Your balance is: 0.0000038 XMR (≈0 USD)
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Mochi101
.balance doge
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Wallet
Mochi101: • Your balance is: 0 DOGE
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Mochi101
Someone stole my doge :(
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apotheon
Mochi101: Was it you?
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Mochi101
I tipped it back to the bot in another channel.
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apotheon
I see.
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apotheon
The bot stole it.
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Mochi101
nah... I just gave it back
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apotheon
. . . with your help.
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apotheon
It must've been extortion.
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Mochi101
My baby kittens will starve without that Doge, but it's ok.
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apotheon
I feel like making a USD-pegged "stablecoin" where one unit will always be worth one cent, and call it "pennyworth".
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apotheon
or maybe "moneypenny"
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Mochi101
do it
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apotheon
Maybe I should make both pennyworth and moneypenny as competing cryptocurrencies, using aliases for each so people don't know they're both the same person.
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apotheon
Oh, shit, I just gave away the game in this channel.
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Mochi101
I know a guy who had a really good idea for a coin. Would do infinite transactions faster than the speed of light.
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apotheon
For pennyworth, I'd have a special name for units of 100 pennyworths: the alfred.
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apotheon
Mochi101: great idea
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apotheon
How does it work?
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moneromooo
You receive stuff, then the sender sends it.
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apotheon
"all transactions resolve to all the money going back where it started; the implementation is an empty function"
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Mochi101
A fungible token, with the same token issued to everybody.
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apotheon
Oh, I see.
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apotheon
cool idea
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apotheon
Considering transactions are just an abstraction on the blockchain, that actually works.
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Mochi101
Bleeding edge tech.
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apotheon
There's no transaction implementation per se.
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apotheon
very clever
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apotheon
It's basically implemented in the semantics of talking about the blockchain's operations, rather than in code.
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Mochi101
Schrodinger's Blockchain
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apotheon
It's kinda like how there really is no entity called "government"; it's just a convenient word to use for the giant basket of shit that a bunch of bureaucrats accomplish every day, plus the stupid stuff done by the elected officials, and so on.
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apotheon
The Schrödinger blockchain would just occasionally kill off the contents of an address, at random, according to a half-life calculation for the total value of the blockchain, where the base unit is called the "cat".
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Mochi101
Bill48105 was going to make Wallet do that.
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apotheon
That seems horrible.
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apotheon
for a walletbot
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apotheon
It would probably annoy the shit out of people.
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Mochi101
How much crypto did you deposit on the bot apotheon ?
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apotheon
secret
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yanmaani
think I found a decent way to make 0conf tx at least half secure
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Mochi101
So, nothing.
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apotheon
How so?
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yanmaani
use a key signature scheme so you can identify a double-spend, then say that if you submit 2 double-spends in one tx, miner gets 50% and 50% gets burned
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yanmaani
(and you lose your privacy)
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apotheon
wow
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yanmaani
it wouldn't be 100%, but you could very safely do low-value tx (like "coffee shop")
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apotheon
Implementing that might be challenging.
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yanmaani
apotheon: It's possible in Bitcoin at least. I know it's possible to do stuff like "if you sign two different things with the same key, the key is revealed"
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yanmaani
How come monero doesn't support remote nodes better? Is it an intentional move, to make it shit so people are incentivized to run their own node?
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moneromooo
That sucks if a tx fails. People will be scared to send again, because the tx might have gone out but not be seen by a miner.
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moneromooo
Even worse with dandelion: a miner may decide to not publish a received tx if it has the dandelion bit set.
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moneromooo
The user will think the tx did not make it, may resend. Then the miner uses the new one and publishes the previous one.
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moneromooo
Yes, but it's not shit really. It's just not something I want to spend lots of time on.
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moneromooo
But lots of wallet to daemon info leaks got plugged for example.
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yanmaani
moneromooo: yeah but I mean for example, there's no way to use multiple remote nodes or something
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moneromooo
(or what is shit ?)
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yanmaani
and it doesn't have defaults set, like in Electrum
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moneromooo
What kind of defaults ?
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apotheon
I think Monerujo defaults to using multiple remote nodes.
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yanmaani
moneromooo: a default list of remote nodes
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moneromooo
Ah, yes, that'd go a bit far. Like pushing people to do this.
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moneromooo
But monerod maintains a list of known public nodes on the P2P layer. Of course it's filled with spies.
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moneromooo
So it's a bit shit there, granted.
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yanmaani
What can a malicious remote node do again?
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moneromooo
But really if you want a wallet that works with public nodes, make one.
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moneromooo
DoS, spy, and the wallet/daemon RPC attack surface is generally much larger than the p2p one.
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moneromooo
Also make you think you got paid when you did not (if they know your address).
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yanmaani
moneromooo: don't they have to prove the tx was included in a block?
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moneromooo
No.
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moneromooo
You've gone over that before already, at least once, I suspect at least twice, so I won't bother again.
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yanmaani
Oh yeah, I forget. I'm getting senile...
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yanmaani
And the conclusion was that you could prove that, but in the end it's harmful to the economy if everyone's using a remote node, or somethign like that?
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moneromooo
Basically, division of labour. I'm not reimplementing daemon stuff in the wallet just so people can abdicate their agency to some third party. They can make that wallet themselves. Like apparently monerujo did. THough they also whutelisted dash, so I guess nothing is ever perfect.
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apotheon
Whitelisted dash? What does that mean?
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moneromooo
(and yes, rely on a third party's node rather than yours and you make your security worse, and the network's too to some lesser extent)
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moneromooo
apotheon: some scammy altcoin that refuses to die.
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yanmaani
there's also feather, which had the same goal
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moneromooo
Does it have ios and/or android support ?
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apotheon
moneromooo: I meant to ask what you mean by whitelisting it.
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moneromooo
Dont' see them in the faq, but that doesn't mean not...
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apotheon
yanmaani: Is Feather a wallet application?
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Livefreeordie[m]
<apotheon "yanmaani: Is Feather a wallet ap"> Yeah, it is
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» moneromooo doesn't really want to talk about it again, will get cranky again
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apotheon
I guess I just don't get to know about what Monerujo did wrong, then. C'est la vie.
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Livefreeordie[m]
Pretty similar to Electrum and Tor compatible, easy for Tails. But running an own node is always better
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apotheon
Smartphones don't seem like the greatest place to run nodes, unfortunately.
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apotheon
. . . but running one's own node at home, and using that to back a smartphone wallet, seems reasonable.
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apotheon
I'm waiting for the availability of the hardware I plan to use for my node.
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apotheon
(The missus hasn't yet fully migrated from her old laptop to her new laptop, and it's her old laptop I plan to use to run the node.)
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apotheon
Livefreeordie[m]: Thanks for the info on Feather.
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Livefreeordie[m]
<apotheon "Smartphones don't seem like the "> True that. Not sure which is the best mobile monero Wallet right now but I'm using it in Tails only so far. No plan to change that. I only know MyMonero has one
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apotheon
I don't recall what it was, but something about MyMonero didn't sit well with me when I read about it.
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gingeropolous
it just stores your viewkey
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endogenic
^
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endogenic
as long as you know that then you would use it accordingly
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endogenic
you can also point the app to your own wallet scanning server
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gingeropolous
its meant as a convenience wallet, like one you'd put in your pocket.
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endogenic
we helped fund the release of github.com/vtnerd/monero-lws and lots of other community efforts
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apotheon
How does one "use it accordingly"?
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gingeropolous
as opposed to a storage safe
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endogenic
apotheon: knowing that a highly trusted third party has access to which outputs are associated with the wallet you send
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apotheon
Does the host storing viewkeys have to happen for any of these wallets?
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endogenic
if you want it to be able to store in the background for you, yes
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endogenic
openmonero doesnt store viewkeys with that tradeoff
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apotheon
Define "store in the background", please.
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endogenic
sorry
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endogenic
scan in the background
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apotheon
ah
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apotheon
Does Monerujo or Cake do that?
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endogenic
they're full wallets
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endogenic
they use wallet2
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endogenic
so no
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apotheon
gotcha
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apotheon
Do you have thoughts on Cake vs. Monerujo?
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endogenic
and there are some wallet scanning server privacy improvements i've been developing
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xrv0[m]
MyMonero just does the scanning for transactions for you, taking CPU load off the phone/laptop/whatever
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endogenic
hope to share soon
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apotheon
endogenic: Are you the dev for one of these wallets?
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endogenic
apotheon: me? and do you mean, comparing them to each other?
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endogenic
apotheon: I ran MyMonero for years
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endogenic
so to speak
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apotheon
endogenic: yeah, comparing them to each other
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endogenic
well, monerujo has a legit android app, i must say
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endogenic
otherwise the question is too broad
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apotheon
I'm just wondering about the trade-offs between them.
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gingeropolous
cakes android app is nice too
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apotheon
What do you mean by "legit"? Do you mean it's good?
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gingeropolous
i dunno between the two. i haven't compared side by side re: refresh times etc
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endogenic
generally they're basically the same aside from UI and i guess how they do backups and some security stuff like the PIN etc
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endogenic
to overgeneralize
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apotheon
Okay, thanks.
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endogenic
what's cool about them is they scan on the client
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endogenic
among other things i guess
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apotheon
It's kinda difficult to compare them reasonably well by reading their own marketing-speak.
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endogenic
hm i'd just look at the UIs and the sourcecode
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apotheon
Yeah, scanning on the client seems nice for privacy concerns.
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apotheon
hah
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apotheon
It's quite easy to miss something important by skimming source code, especially because Java tends to kill my braincells.
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endogenic
you get used to it, though. your brain does the translating. I don't even see the code.
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apotheon
nice
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endogenic
^ matrix quote :P
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apotheon
all you see is blonde, brunette, redhead
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endogenic
lol ok
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apotheon
Maybe Cake is a blonde, Monerujo is a brunette, and MyMonero is a redhead.
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endogenic
or each is a matrix
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apotheon
or that
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apotheon
I'm kinda going by dominant color schemes on their websites.
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apotheon
as far as I recall them
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apotheon
How does Feather handle scanning?
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apotheon
I've never even looked at it. I'm not sure I ever heard of it before today.
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gingeropolous
client side as well. feather is a full wallet i think. manages the daemon as well
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apotheon
Oh, it's not Android, evidently.
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gingeropolous
sposed to be in same category as Monero Core GUI
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gingeropolous
or Monero GUI
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gingeropolous
or whatever we call it
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apotheon
that thing I don't use
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apotheon
That's what I call it, I guess.
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apotheon
I'm a little more CLI-oriented, I suppose.
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apotheon
As GUIs go, the dark modes for Feather look okay.
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Bill48105
"<Mochi101> Bill48105 was going to make Wallet do that." <--- what's that?
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apotheon
delete stuff from people's balances, apparently
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Bill48105
what? why would i delete people's balances lol
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Bill48105
maybe mochi was joking?
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Bill48105
i mean people suggest some crazy stuff like steal command to take from others or such
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apotheon
I dunno.
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apotheon
gotta go; ta
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Bill48105
have fun
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Bill48105
obviously wouldnt do anything like that without user consent. would need the user to pre-authorize a set amount others could steal. but not sure the point in doing such a thing.
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hyc
subscription payments, monthly billing...
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nicefellow77[m]
Best way to convert my fiat into Montero?
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nicefellow77[m]
Monero
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Bill48105
kraken?
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lord_fomo[m]
bisq -> btc -> xmr
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lord_fomo[m]
coinbase -> kraken -> xmr
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lord_fomo[m]
make something hard nerds actually want
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lord_fomo[m]
drop fiat
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hyc
just fiat -> kraken -> xmr is easiest
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Bill48105
is kraken available to most everyone?
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rupee[m]
unless you live in NY or North Korea
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rupee[m]
or washington state
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rupee[m]
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Bill48105
ahh gotcha cool thanks figured nothing works for EVERYONE but seems kraken best option for most
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rupee[m]
also: "Residents of Australia cannot deposit, hold or trade DASH, XMR or ZEC."
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raecarruth
kek
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raecarruth
ausfalia
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raecarruth
*ausfailure
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rupee[m]
the regulators there are inspiring bright minds to create things like comit atomic swaps
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Livefreeordie[m]
<rupee[m] "also: "Residents of Australia ca"> LocalMonero and Tor Wallet should still work though?
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rupee[m]
sure. I was just referring to Kraken.
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rupee[m]
actually, I have no idea what the laws are in australia. lol
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Livefreeordie[m]
Ah okay 👌
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lord_fomo[m]
<hyc "just fiat -> kraken -> xmr is ea"> Minus getting Fiat in imo
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lord_fomo[m]
Can't use card
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ieatglueinthegul
NORTH KOREA BEST KOREA
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jonah_xd[m]
Bruh
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jonah_xd[m]
Imagine a country where you don't pay taxes
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charolastra
and where weed is legal
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jonah_xd[m]
I thought they made it illegal
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charolastra
oh, they might have, no idea
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jonah_xd[m]
Me neither its just rumor for me
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apotheon
rupee[m]: Washington state? That's weird. (re: Kraken blocking)
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apotheon
Yeah, the website says as much, but doesn't offer specific explanation why WA in particular is so difficult to manage.
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apotheon
19:20 < raecarruth> ausfalia
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apotheon
That's a great name for it.
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apotheon
There are too many reasons for me to avoid North Korea for those perks to appeal much.
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Mochi101
Bill48105, ;)
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Bill48105
wink wink what
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Mochi101
the random empty wallet thing
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Mochi101
:D
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Bill48105
is that a thing we talked about? lol
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Mochi101
nah
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Bill48105
news to me lol
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Mochi101
I thought the ping would have woken you up more quick.
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Bill48105
i had dnd on
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Bill48105
for that exact reason :D
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Mochi101
I was just stirring the pot.
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apotheon
Dungeons & Dragons?
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Bill48105
Don't Nudge Dick
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somethingUniqueR
.val 1 xmr
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Wallet
somethingUniqueR: ≈$287.7715 • ≈ value of: 1 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm
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somethingUniqueR
.val 0.012961 xmr
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Wallet
somethingUniqueR: ≈$3.7298 • ≈ value of: 0.012961 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm
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nc1236[m]
.val 0.20 xmr
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Wallet
nc1236[m]: You must have bot account & be logged in
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usernetinternet[
<ieatglueinthegul "image.png"> Based kim securing the network
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usernetinternet[
Does north korea count as institutional adoption?
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jonah_xd[m]
more like attacking it
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usernetinternet[
<jonah_xd[m] "more like attacking it"> How? They dont have the resources to ever dream of 51%
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jonah_xd[m]
how do you know that ?
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moneromooo
usernetinternet[ just got outed as undercover kim.
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usernetinternet[
moneromooo: selling black market nukes, 100xmr per warhead meet me at dmz
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ieatglueinthegul
<usernetinternet[ "Does north korea count as instit"> No, NK is a privately run residential area, owned by the Kim family business
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apotheon
Kim Jong Un, or Kim Dot Com?
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apotheon
. . . or Kim Cattrall?
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yqnpxwcya
Do you think that you are too intelligent to be in a cult? Then I would encourage you to look into how any other cult works. They aren't populated by stupid people. Aum Shinrikyo was almost exclusively university professors and graduates. For Pete's sake - they had the know-how and means to make WMDs.
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yqnpxwcya
As to Monero, I would encourage you to look at Jonestown mass-suicide. You know why Jones killed them all? Because he was afraid he is loosing control over them. People like that will burn everything around them rather than give up control. Being smart doesn't make you immune to being in a cult. This is the most valuable lesson Monero taught me.
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apotheon
Maybe I'm not intelligent enough to be in a cult.
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hyc
don't worry, I doubt you're missing much
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hyc
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jonah_xd[m]
<apotheon ". . . or Kim Cattrall?"> Kim Kardashian
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apotheon
Kim Cardassian?
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jonah_xd[m]
don't know how to spell it
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apotheon
I made a Star Trek joke. Don't worry about it.
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as2333
I would see adoption by the NK govt as proof of monero's soundness, if anything.
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jonah_xd[m]
didn't watch it
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Mochi101
as2333, did NK adopt Monero?
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apotheon
mining the shit out of it, apparently
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as2333
I think there was some pentagon propagana about evil terrist commies using monero?
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as2333
propaganda*
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apotheon
"I hate those evil tourists."
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apotheon
Let's have a war on tourism.
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as2333
I think there's a worldwide war on tourism already.
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peacefulnight[m]
<Lyza "people with actually interesting"> Because the world is going down the drain and legal things will become illegal and people who can see this obvious fact will have their genes scream, "I, your DNA, desire to be propagated, so here, have some IQ and survive what will happen 5-20 years from now."
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peacefulnight[m]
<pixelized[m] "what are your personal reasons f"> ^
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apotheon
as2333: Yes, that's the joke.
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peacefulnight[m]
Anonymity, privacy, freedom of exchange will become a rare commodity.
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pixelized[m]
so you're investing in these rare commodities now so that you'll be rich enough in them later that you'll help the propagation of your genes? ;P
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as2333
apotheon, oops, my bad =)
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apotheon
I plan to use my riches to increase my longevity.
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as2333
peacefulnight[m], yes - only hight ranking oligarchs will have access to those. Like they do now.
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ieatglueinthegul
I am into XMR exclusively because of all the cunnyposting taking place on /biz/
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Mochi101
ieatglueinthegul, are you sure you're using that word correctly?
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Bill48105
kek
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ieatglueinthegul
I-it's all a joke kind sir
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Bill48105
jokes are supposed to be funny
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Inge-
it's a post-modernist joke
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Bill48105
post humor joke
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haxx0r
wen lambo? wen tari? wen moon?
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louipc
whats tari
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Inge-
.usd
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Mochi101
louipc, Tari is a cryptocurrency that's built with Emojichain™ technology.
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louipc
wow
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Mochi101
Too bad it missed the NFT hype.
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louipc
hype is cyclical
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Mochi101
so is hope
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sech1
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Bill48105
.pause here ONLINE
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Wallet
Bill48105: zBot is now ONLINE for #monero@freenode
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Bill48105
guess i need to fix that
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jonah_xd[m]
bogdanoff says crash it
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Bill48105
zBot LOL
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usernetinternet[
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louipc
what happened to bizonnaci
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Merchantwoman
was directed here to ask about monero wallet and it's uses for accepting payments
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yanmaani
Merchantwoman: The merchant mode might be useful to you
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Mochi101
What do you need to know?
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Mochi101
Merchantwoman, probably best to explain your situation first.
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usernetinternet[
Merchantwoman: ? You can see txs instantly in the mempool
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Mochi101
yes
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nioc
.tip Mochi101 0.01204281
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Wallet
nioc tipped 0.01204281 XMR (≈$3.52) to Mochi101 [b4db5d3d]
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nioc
the burden is too great
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Mochi101
Wow nioc, are you trying to buy my love?
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louipc
how much isyourlove
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nioc
difficult to keep our stashes separate that is yours and probably a bit more
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Mochi101
usernetinternet[, you can see here
xmrchain.net (transaction pool)
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Mochi101
usernetinternet[, your wallet will know which of those is yours.
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Merchantwoman
I am currently looking to reviece crypto payments for services but dont yet. I like the privacy features of monero but fear that the user interface isnt user friendly, I read through some documents on moneros site but dont fully understand it all. Payments are only in monero?
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Mochi101
Merchantwoman, the UI is friendly if you use a graphical interface wallet. There are a few available.
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Mochi101
and yes.. only Monero
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usernetinternet[
Mochi101: 😅 i know you can see instantly i was just wondering if that person did
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usernetinternet[
I dont trust those xmr explorers, anyone know who rums them?
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Mochi101
oh damn... I thought you were a bridge usernetinternet[
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moneromooo
Something like globee would accept a few more (including bitcoin) and auto convert to your choice of bitcoin/monero/some-fiat-currencies.
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Mochi101
lol.. sorry man
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Merchantwoman
Mochi101 I think I saw the monero GUI and mymonero and openalias...looks like coding is needed though? Also, only monero makes me wonder if a credit card can be used and if the wallet can convert to monero??
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Merchantwoman
moneromooo i have looked at some options but I would like to try to go with the privacy if a can
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Merchantwoman
I am more converned about how will they obtain the monero if they dont hold any? Will it add steps to the tranaction? If so this will only work for monero holders and crypto users that dont mind swapping coins to pay
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usernetinternet[
Does anyone know who runs xmr block explorers like xmrchain? Im paranoid they are recording ips that look at txs
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charolastra
then use tor
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moneromooo
Then there is
github.com/monero-integrations which has plugins for various software like wordpress etc. You run your own monero software.
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moneromooo
xmrchain is gingeropolous
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usernetinternet[
moneromooo: thanks a lot
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moneromooo
If users don't have monero and you want them to pay in monero, they'll have to buy some, yes.
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moneromooo
That'll involve either an exchange (account needed, typically papers please) or... that wallet I said I would not recommend anymore -_-
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charolastra
Merchantwoman: either your customers aquire the coins (usually buying bitcoin and exchanging it for monero) or you look for a payment provider that will accept various payment options but pays you in bitcoin, which you exchange to moneros
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moneromooo
So if it's people who aren't cryptocurrency users already, that will get you a huge attrition rate :)
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moneromooo
You could do the monero-integration thing *and* another processor which accepts fiat optoins though.
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moneromooo
So people who like privacy can feel like the future is here.
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moneromooo
But others get to use the familiar fallback.
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Mochi101
Merchantwoman, you will be using Wordpress?
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usernetinternet[
Is there software to generate vanity monero addresses?
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Mochi101
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usernetinternet[
Mochi101: my savior
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Mochi101
.praisemonero
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Merchantwoman
moneromooo I will accept other forms of payment but want to offer crypto as well. I plan to hold the crypto or swap for other crypto. Any fiat I get I will keep for day to day needs anyway. Need operating capital.
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Merchantwoman
Mochi101 I dont use wordpress. I might add one of the fiat converting payment gateways based on what i am hearing. Maybe monero will only work for monero and cryto savvy people
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Merchantwoman
Mochi101 moneromooo .... in reality i was considering simply having a trust wallet and let the client choose the coin to send and i can give the amount at time of transaction but there is way too much room for error and it is time demanding to be on the phone during the tranaction... maybe there is a crypto billing service that is private??\
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Merchantwoman
that can send the coins to a regular wallet
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Mochi101
coinpayments... you need to sign up with an email though
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Mochi101
but I think this is all that they ask for
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Merchantwoman
Mochi101 i will look them up. Thanks
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yanmaani
Merchantwoman: you'll need one CC processor and a separate monero processor
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yanmaani
imo
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Merchantwoman
@yanm
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Merchantwoman
yanmaani ... Thanks
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gingeropolous
usernetinternet[, and all your tx are belong to us
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Bill48105
.praise monero fetti
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Wallet
,. 'praise monero ^ ^ , * , * 'praise monero * , ' + + * .praise monero ' ^ ' + . * ,
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Bill48105
that's how it's done mochi :)