00:00:26 btc gets lost so it will trend to 0 btc anyway 00:01:31 so many hard drives in garbage dumps 00:02:03 people die holding their keys 00:02:14 and ofc.... whoops 00:02:45 btc 00:02:52 another useless shitcoin 00:04:00 har 00:04:27 What about XMR? 00:04:52 or Doge or Litecoin 00:05:47 true story: the bot supports all 4 of them :) 00:05:57 five, counting BCH 00:06:10 oh yeah i wasn't counting that piece of shit 00:06:16 I don't have any Litecoin, and don't even know the ticker symbol. 00:06:22 (or i can't count lol) 00:06:27 .ltc 00:06:27 Bill48105: ≈$221.182 • ≈ value of: 1 LTC • Source: cmc/ccc/altm 00:06:53 .ltc tip apotheon $0.01 00:06:54 Bill48105 tipped 0.00004521 LTC (≈$0.01) to chaper [ffd3da3f] 00:06:57 now you do :) 00:07:04 neat 00:07:16 I'll figure out how to change it to XMR in my balance later. 00:07:18 gotta go; ta 00:07:21 have fun 00:07:33 you do .ltc xtip all xmr :) 00:09:14 I only have eyes for Monroe 00:09:16 and her weird cute little sister wow 00:09:58 wait she's got a younger hotter sis? :o 00:10:16 cute 00:10:56 but is she legal 00:11:06 probably not 00:11:46 that's a shame just like her older sis eh 00:11:56 :) 00:21:23 .wallet 00:22:38 not a command 00:30:25 .xmr 00:30:25 abcdefg_irssi: ≈$286.6841 • ≈ value of: 1 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm 00:30:32 ncie 00:30:52 What are the commands? 00:31:35 they're on .help which you can PM Wallet as well 00:32:00 you're not registered or logged in on freenode so most commands wont work for you in "Guest" mode 00:32:25 the bot is on matrix though so if you join a channel there or pm it there you could 00:33:01 it's a little confusing over bridges especially how matrix does bridging 00:33:48 but by default when you are on freenode from matrix you are a guest. not on a registered freenode account and not logged in (identified) here on freenode 00:33:56 so the bot has no way to verify who you are 00:35:38 on matrix the bot is logged in as walletbot 00:36:36 not much goes on there besides testing but you're welcome to join #wallet:matrix.org to test/use the bot 00:48:12 .help 00:48:12 usernetinternet[: Access denied for help. Are you logged in? 00:53:23 you'd either need to register usernetinternet[ here on freenode & then login manually with chanserv when you wanted to use the bot here, or join freenode directly using a registered account on an irc client, or use the bot there on matrix 00:59:40 Nope will find out how to login later 01:04:26 cool but yeah those are your options to use the bot 01:22:39 can monerod background mine with a pruned blockchain? 01:23:04 because the full one is too big in size 01:27:27 If you mine on a pool no chain download needed 01:29:04 what are the major limitations of a pruned blockchain over the full one? 01:29:58 guess it would work for wallet-cli balance check etc. 01:31:04 swrangsar: yes you can mine with a pruned chain 01:31:22 no major limitations 01:37:52 Cant get decoys from whole chain 01:41:06 usernetinternet[: that's incorrect 01:41:52 as far as I know only specific ring signature data is pruned that isn't relevant for decoy selection. 01:45:09 is monero transactions completely anonymously? 01:45:20 meaning no one can check who when made tx to who? 01:45:31 or from where the coins came from 01:47:05 monero isn't 100% anonymous the same was tor isn't 100% anonymous 01:59:35 This is generally true 02:06:07 but its as anonymous as tor? 02:08:57 Yep all transactions are hidden except to you 02:50:21 Gonna delete irc for a bit see ya later 03:03:44 cya leo 07:02:50 Wdym? 07:17:28 .pause here ONLINE 07:17:28 Bill48105: zBot is now ONLINE for #monero@freenode 08:54:36 https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/message-screening/ 08:57:46 kayront: wow how is this different from what Chinese government is doing with monitoring/censoring WeChat messages? 08:57:51 EU is CCP nao 08:57:58 it isn't 08:59:37 well, end to end encryption fixes this. 08:59:45 EU oligarchs can gfy 09:00:07 that is precisely what they are trying to get rid of :D 09:01:25 because literally, save the children 09:01:33 muh children 09:01:47 ... by having them grow up in a society where everything they read do write and are is archived in the state database 09:01:50 seems legit 09:01:53 where do I sign up_ 09:02:45 you save children not by undermining secure/private comms; you save the children by moving them away from the "screens", by letting them interact with other children offline, on a natural environment. 09:24:13 Noob question but I have a Monero node with a login and password. I would want to let my friends/family connect to the node easily (Cake wallet or Desktop Wallet). If I remove that login and password, what can anyone do to my node? 09:24:44 The same as anyone else. 09:25:18 If it's exposed to the internet, run with --restricted-rpc, which will disble things like "exit", or "start_mining". 09:25:28 This is still usable to sync one's wallet. 09:26:09 Its not like Bitcoin nodes where you can listaccounts and dumpprivate keys right ? (although I don't have any money there) 09:26:11 You could also set it to require SSL and give it a list of allowed cert fingerprints. Or just one. And give those people the cert. 09:26:21 The same children they traffic with and prostitute... 09:26:30 The daemon does not have your wallet keys. 09:26:39 I could give them the login/pass now but I was thinking of making it simpler 09:26:45 Cool, thanks 09:27:03 So its all good with restricted-rpc 10:24:46 wtf... government can stop you from running a node by entering into your computer using a backdoor build into windows OS and killing the process... how do I defend against it ? 10:25:38 Don't use Windows 10:28:23 Any good alternatives to windows? 10:29:20 Qubes, Tails, Debian 10:29:35 At least for Monero 10:29:47 How about for general daily use cases 10:32:09 Debian is still excellent for daily use cases imo. But I just use Tails basically for Monero, Windows with very strict W10Privacy settings for something like gaming and just put my Tails USB stick somewhere else 10:32:31 That's the advantage of a live OS like Tails 10:35:11 Live free or die great nym btw 10:36:25 Haha thanks 10:47:32 .faucet 10:47:32 gumman: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in? 10:47:45 .bal 10:47:45 gumman: 0.0002707 XMR 10:47:47 .faucet 10:47:49 gumman: How many numbers in 93 10:47:52 2 10:47:52 gumman: @bonuspot tipped 0.000009 XMR to gumman [d04c645b] Wait ≈23 hrs 54 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.0123544 10:53:57 .bal 10:53:57 mechanic41turk[m: Access denied for bal. Are you logged in? 10:54:07 No. 10:58:18 Hello folks, today at 18:00 UTC we have the Monero Village at Defcon 29 meeting on #monoero-events where you are welcome to attend. 11:00:27 source? 11:03:18 source? 11:03:30 I can record a video and show you 11:11:27 Might https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10 help? 11:12:27 Or W10Privacy 11:13:26 I can't remember what it's called, but there is a subreddit for it... 11:13:27 where people basically debloated and minimized Windows10... 11:15:04 and next tuesday all that work is invalidated because M$ deployed an update on your machine 11:15:29 Try ubuntu, friend : ) 11:15:49 (or tails?) 11:19:42 https://gist.github.com/alirobe/7f3b34ad89a159e6daa1 11:19:42 I'm just going to randomly paste this here, but have not tried it out and will continue to endorse a dedicated linux machine for your node needs. 11:21:00 https://old.reddit.com/r/TronScript/ 11:21:00 Same with this, it was the stripped Windows I was referring to in the beginning. 12:35:25 to everyone who thinks they have something interesting to respond to this: 12:35:38 what are your personal reasons for using monero? 12:36:52 people with actually interesting answers may be reluctant to share :D 12:37:25 not me mind you. I am uninteresting. I just like private currency that works and is accepted places. 12:37:30 Howard Chu is a high IQ scholar, he has more Google images with a violin than Sting with a guitar, he singlehandely saved NASA from doom. Why can't the saviour of NASA save Monero? 12:37:51 cpe-67-240-65-152.nycap.res.rr.com HMMM 12:38:40 i think you're on the nose there :P 12:38:50 but.. there are interesting moral takes some people have based on personal experience 12:38:58 and they're very shareable 12:41:47 i thought he already saved monero 12:42:36 To level the playing field between the individual and the tyranny of the social structures. 12:43:40 I've definitely got personal experience with payments being censored by central parties for arbitrary and unexplained reasons that makes me really value CCs generally but esp. Monero 12:45:08 https://twitter.com/USCPSC/status/1380606893555642369 12:48:12 Because I hate [redacted] 13:02:24 syncing the blockchain on a raspberry pi 🎶 13:03:46 gonna take a bloody week 13:05:00 and light the house on fire 13:07:24 don't we all ;) 13:09:00 would take months on a first-generation Pi 13:09:26 does rpi4 has aes-ni? 13:09:31 no 13:09:36 ouch 13:09:37 no raspberry pi models do 13:09:48 Broadcom never licensed it 13:10:06 and they make all the Pi SOCs 13:10:11 oh ok 13:10:30 yup, sadly no proper hardware 13:10:31 hence the suffering 13:10:54 i did a little over 70% on another machine but it ran out of disk space 13:11:01 and the raspberry pi is probably about 10x slower 13:11:25 I no longer use any of my Pis for anything 13:11:37 why not? they're useful little things 13:11:43 I've got a geekbox that I still do ARM64 builds on 13:12:01 and a bunch of AMLogic S912 TVboxes that I deploy monero stuff on 13:12:02 geekbox is the asus one? 13:12:08 geekbox is geekbox 13:12:11 i have a couple, use only one of them and i use it for way too much important stuff 13:12:24 https://www.geekbox.tv/ 13:12:31 I see 13:12:34 but i like the fact that i have more in case i want to set something up or give some network space to a friend 13:12:42 remember seeing this before 13:13:09 admittedly, i wouldn't like having them as much if i had paid for them :P 13:13:15 but yeah i think the pi is a neat device 13:13:18 it's obsolete now, but it's a nice device 13:13:46 rockpro64 is a good choice now 13:14:10 I also have a Beelink GT-King, Amlogic S922x. very good unit 13:15:09 unfortunately it only comes with a 32bit OS. But I think mainline linux kernel support for it is out now 13:15:25 ah that's a bummer 13:16:40 better link https://geekbox.tv/product/geekbox-open-source-cross-tv-box/ 13:16:53 I guess they've fallen on hard times, the site didn't used to be so overrun with ads 13:17:52 also this rockchip 3368 has a PowerVR GPU, there was never an open source driver for this 13:18:29 so you're stuck with android for full acceleration? 13:18:39 we used the Android binary driver on Linux by wrapping it in a shim layer 13:18:57 cool 13:20:03 anyway, the current crop of cheap TVboxes all run rings around these things. and any Pis. 13:31:03 I'm running a node on a rockpi 4 13:31:26 It runs great even with the most crappy basic heatsink included in the box 13:49:45 .balancd 13:49:47 .balance 13:49:48 somethingUniqueR: • Your balance is: 0.0001291 XMR (≈0.04 USD) 13:49:51 .faucet 13:49:54 somethingUniqueR: Triangle is how many sides? 13:49:56 3 13:49:56 somethingUniqueR: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000037 XMR to somethingUniqueR [f6cba6e3] Wait ≈1 day 47 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.0123507 13:50:11 .balance 13:50:11 somethingUniqueR: • Your balance is: 0.0001328 XMR (≈0.04 USD) 13:51:29 .val 0.012023 13:51:29 somethingUniqueR: Help: .val coin - Ticker prices for common coins & fiats. No value results in market details 13:51:33 .val 0.012023 xmr 13:51:33 somethingUniqueR: ≈$3.5094 • ≈ value of: 0.012023 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm 13:52:04 .val 1 xmr 13:52:04 somethingUniqueR: ≈$291.9068 • ≈ value of: 1 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm 17:02:35 .faucet 17:02:38 Mochi101: Of 6 ? 9, which is 6 17:02:41 6 17:02:41 Mochi101: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000038 XMR to Mochi101 [84353d9e] Wait ≈23 hrs 59 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.0123419 17:02:45 .balance 17:02:46 Mochi101: • Your balance is: 0.0000038 XMR (≈0 USD) 17:02:50 noice! 17:03:05 .tip Wallet 0.0000038 17:03:05 Mochi101: Oops: 0.0000038 - invalid amount (must be 0.00001 or more) 17:04:21 Mochi101: You have Wallet dust. 17:04:47 yes... but it can grow into a hairball 17:05:47 .balance doge 17:05:48 Mochi101: • Your balance is: 5.01 DOGE (≈0.32 USD) 17:11:00 Yeah, unlike with BTC (or other cryptocurrency) addresses, you can just treat all incoming transactions as part of the same "address" in Wallet. 17:12:05 .balance eth 17:12:05 Mochi101: • Your balance is: 0.0000038 XMR (≈0 USD) 17:12:06 It's kind of amusing and, at the same time, depressing, to think about the economics of dust on blockchains. 17:12:21 the doge is separate from the XMR 17:12:47 oh, weird 17:14:56 I should figure out how to consolidate under a single cryptocurrency, I guess. 17:15:20 You have a DOGE balance? 17:15:31 tiny, yes 17:16:59 Hm. There's no documentation on some commands on the documentation page. 17:17:47 .balance 17:17:48 Mochi101: • Your balance is: 0.0000038 XMR (≈0 USD) 17:17:52 .balance doge 17:17:53 Mochi101: • Your balance is: 0 DOGE 17:18:13 Someone stole my doge :( 17:18:59 Mochi101: Was it you? 17:19:18 I tipped it back to the bot in another channel. 17:19:30 I see. 17:19:36 The bot stole it. 17:19:47 nah... I just gave it back 17:19:48 . . . with your help. 17:20:01 It must've been extortion. 17:20:20 My baby kittens will starve without that Doge, but it's ok. 17:20:48 I feel like making a USD-pegged "stablecoin" where one unit will always be worth one cent, and call it "pennyworth". 17:21:03 or maybe "moneypenny" 17:21:06 do it 17:21:34 Maybe I should make both pennyworth and moneypenny as competing cryptocurrencies, using aliases for each so people don't know they're both the same person. 17:21:40 Oh, shit, I just gave away the game in this channel. 17:22:10 I know a guy who had a really good idea for a coin. Would do infinite transactions faster than the speed of light. 17:22:22 For pennyworth, I'd have a special name for units of 100 pennyworths: the alfred. 17:22:32 Mochi101: great idea 17:22:38 How does it work? 17:22:55 You receive stuff, then the sender sends it. 17:23:11 "all transactions resolve to all the money going back where it started; the implementation is an empty function" 17:23:14 A fungible token, with the same token issued to everybody. 17:23:22 Oh, I see. 17:23:31 cool idea 17:23:51 Considering transactions are just an abstraction on the blockchain, that actually works. 17:23:57 Bleeding edge tech. 17:24:02 There's no transaction implementation per se. 17:24:09 very clever 17:24:34 It's basically implemented in the semantics of talking about the blockchain's operations, rather than in code. 17:24:55 Schrodinger's Blockchain 17:25:32 It's kinda like how there really is no entity called "government"; it's just a convenient word to use for the giant basket of shit that a bunch of bureaucrats accomplish every day, plus the stupid stuff done by the elected officials, and so on. 17:26:51 The Schrödinger blockchain would just occasionally kill off the contents of an address, at random, according to a half-life calculation for the total value of the blockchain, where the base unit is called the "cat". 17:27:32 Bill48105 was going to make Wallet do that. 17:28:16 That seems horrible. 17:28:27 for a walletbot 17:28:38 It would probably annoy the shit out of people. 17:28:59 How much crypto did you deposit on the bot apotheon ? 17:29:38 secret 17:29:47 think I found a decent way to make 0conf tx at least half secure 17:29:54 So, nothing. 17:29:54 How so? 17:30:17 use a key signature scheme so you can identify a double-spend, then say that if you submit 2 double-spends in one tx, miner gets 50% and 50% gets burned 17:30:21 (and you lose your privacy) 17:30:34 wow 17:30:55 it wouldn't be 100%, but you could very safely do low-value tx (like "coffee shop") 17:30:56 Implementing that might be challenging. 17:31:21 apotheon: It's possible in Bitcoin at least. I know it's possible to do stuff like "if you sign two different things with the same key, the key is revealed" 17:32:11 How come monero doesn't support remote nodes better? Is it an intentional move, to make it shit so people are incentivized to run their own node? 17:32:11 That sucks if a tx fails. People will be scared to send again, because the tx might have gone out but not be seen by a miner. 17:33:04 Even worse with dandelion: a miner may decide to not publish a received tx if it has the dandelion bit set. 17:33:23 The user will think the tx did not make it, may resend. Then the miner uses the new one and publishes the previous one. 17:33:56 Yes, but it's not shit really. It's just not something I want to spend lots of time on. 17:34:17 But lots of wallet to daemon info leaks got plugged for example. 17:34:46 moneromooo: yeah but I mean for example, there's no way to use multiple remote nodes or something 17:34:48 (or what is shit ?) 17:35:03 and it doesn't have defaults set, like in Electrum 17:35:23 What kind of defaults ? 17:35:34 I think Monerujo defaults to using multiple remote nodes. 17:39:07 moneromooo: a default list of remote nodes 17:39:34 Ah, yes, that'd go a bit far. Like pushing people to do this. 17:39:55 But monerod maintains a list of known public nodes on the P2P layer. Of course it's filled with spies. 17:40:03 So it's a bit shit there, granted. 17:40:16 What can a malicious remote node do again? 17:40:25 But really if you want a wallet that works with public nodes, make one. 17:40:54 DoS, spy, and the wallet/daemon RPC attack surface is generally much larger than the p2p one. 17:41:09 Also make you think you got paid when you did not (if they know your address). 17:42:02 moneromooo: don't they have to prove the tx was included in a block? 17:42:10 No. 17:42:40 You've gone over that before already, at least once, I suspect at least twice, so I won't bother again. 17:42:50 Oh yeah, I forget. I'm getting senile... 17:43:26 And the conclusion was that you could prove that, but in the end it's harmful to the economy if everyone's using a remote node, or somethign like that? 17:44:18 Basically, division of labour. I'm not reimplementing daemon stuff in the wallet just so people can abdicate their agency to some third party. They can make that wallet themselves. Like apparently monerujo did. THough they also whutelisted dash, so I guess nothing is ever perfect. 17:45:23 Whitelisted dash? What does that mean? 17:46:10 (and yes, rely on a third party's node rather than yours and you make your security worse, and the network's too to some lesser extent) 17:46:39 apotheon: some scammy altcoin that refuses to die. 17:46:50 there's also feather, which had the same goal 17:48:31 Does it have ios and/or android support ? 17:49:04 moneromooo: I meant to ask what you mean by whitelisting it. 17:49:04 Dont' see them in the faq, but that doesn't mean not... 17:49:23 yanmaani: Is Feather a wallet application? 17:49:38 Yeah, it is 17:49:53 * moneromooo doesn't really want to talk about it again, will get cranky again 17:50:16 I guess I just don't get to know about what Monerujo did wrong, then. C'est la vie. 17:50:31 Pretty similar to Electrum and Tor compatible, easy for Tails. But running an own node is always better 17:52:03 Smartphones don't seem like the greatest place to run nodes, unfortunately. 17:52:21 . . . but running one's own node at home, and using that to back a smartphone wallet, seems reasonable. 17:52:35 I'm waiting for the availability of the hardware I plan to use for my node. 17:53:07 (The missus hasn't yet fully migrated from her old laptop to her new laptop, and it's her old laptop I plan to use to run the node.) 17:53:39 Livefreeordie[m]: Thanks for the info on Feather. 17:56:20 True that. Not sure which is the best mobile monero Wallet right now but I'm using it in Tails only so far. No plan to change that. I only know MyMonero has one 17:57:24 I don't recall what it was, but something about MyMonero didn't sit well with me when I read about it. 17:57:44 it just stores your viewkey 17:57:46 ^ 17:58:08 as long as you know that then you would use it accordingly 17:58:33 you can also point the app to your own wallet scanning server 17:58:43 its meant as a convenience wallet, like one you'd put in your pocket. 17:58:44 we helped fund the release of github.com/vtnerd/monero-lws and lots of other community efforts 17:58:46 How does one "use it accordingly"? 17:58:47 as opposed to a storage safe 17:59:08 apotheon: knowing that a highly trusted third party has access to which outputs are associated with the wallet you send 17:59:48 Does the host storing viewkeys have to happen for any of these wallets? 18:00:00 if you want it to be able to store in the background for you, yes 18:00:09 openmonero doesnt store viewkeys with that tradeoff 18:00:10 Define "store in the background", please. 18:00:14 sorry 18:00:16 scan in the background 18:00:22 ah 18:00:32 Does Monerujo or Cake do that? 18:00:36 they're full wallets 18:00:39 they use wallet2 18:00:41 so no 18:00:45 gotcha 18:01:00 Do you have thoughts on Cake vs. Monerujo? 18:01:06 and there are some wallet scanning server privacy improvements i've been developing 18:01:07 MyMonero just does the scanning for transactions for you, taking CPU load off the phone/laptop/whatever 18:01:10 hope to share soon 18:01:23 endogenic: Are you the dev for one of these wallets? 18:01:27 apotheon: me? and do you mean, comparing them to each other? 18:01:33 apotheon: I ran MyMonero for years 18:01:37 so to speak 18:01:41 endogenic: yeah, comparing them to each other 18:01:48 well, monerujo has a legit android app, i must say 18:02:03 otherwise the question is too broad 18:02:15 I'm just wondering about the trade-offs between them. 18:02:19 cakes android app is nice too 18:02:27 What do you mean by "legit"? Do you mean it's good? 18:02:43 i dunno between the two. i haven't compared side by side re: refresh times etc 18:02:46 generally they're basically the same aside from UI and i guess how they do backups and some security stuff like the PIN etc 18:02:56 to overgeneralize 18:03:00 Okay, thanks. 18:03:13 what's cool about them is they scan on the client 18:03:19 among other things i guess 18:03:26 It's kinda difficult to compare them reasonably well by reading their own marketing-speak. 18:03:38 hm i'd just look at the UIs and the sourcecode 18:03:40 Yeah, scanning on the client seems nice for privacy concerns. 18:03:47 hah 18:04:07 It's quite easy to miss something important by skimming source code, especially because Java tends to kill my braincells. 18:04:09 you get used to it, though. your brain does the translating. I don't even see the code. 18:04:15 nice 18:04:23 ^ matrix quote :P 18:04:25 all you see is blonde, brunette, redhead 18:04:29 lol ok 18:04:57 Maybe Cake is a blonde, Monerujo is a brunette, and MyMonero is a redhead. 18:05:29 or each is a matrix 18:06:03 or that 18:06:22 I'm kinda going by dominant color schemes on their websites. 18:06:26 as far as I recall them 18:06:37 How does Feather handle scanning? 18:07:04 I've never even looked at it. I'm not sure I ever heard of it before today. 18:07:15 client side as well. feather is a full wallet i think. manages the daemon as well 18:07:19 Oh, it's not Android, evidently. 18:07:28 sposed to be in same category as Monero Core GUI 18:07:30