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nioc
monero didn't come from bitmonero, it is bitmonero
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nioc
I believe the name is in the code till this day
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nioc
confirmed, my daemon log is bitmonero.log
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rupee[m]
maybe we should go back to that name. see if we can get some exchanges to list it
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lord_fomo[m]
guy seems like a c++ snob
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lord_fomo[m]
no offense
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lord_fomo[m]
i mean
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lord_fomo[m]
pretty sure derive is common parlance
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fluffydonkey[m]
c++ is nasty :(
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lord_fomo[m]
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lord_fomo[m]
but 🤷♂️
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lord_fomo[m]
anyway the memes in their are good
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lord_fomo[m]
even if their devs are a bit tooly
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fluffydonkey[m]
Go forever
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fluffydonkey[m]
The language*
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lord_fomo[m]
lol
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lord_fomo[m]
generics wen
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lord_fomo[m]
i like zig better then go personally
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lord_fomo[m]
and nim is close 2nd
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apotheon
There are things about Nim that I really don't like.
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apotheon
Food was good.
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lord_fomo[m]
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lord_fomo[m]
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lord_fomo[m]
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lord_fomo[m]
i guess i'm on fud duty tonite
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apotheon
If the German finance ministry says Monero is more dangerous than Bitcoin, I think that's a good endorsement for Monero.
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apotheon
aaaaaaaaaaaa: The name abcdefg is unregistered, and is about as generic as you can get for a name. Grab it, and use that.
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aaaaaaaaaaaa
Will it make u feel more safe and secure with my presence
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apotheon
sure
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abcdefg
There u go
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apotheon
woohoo
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louipc
u lernin the alfabet
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apotheon
abcdefg: I was mostly just trying to help you have a name that won't annoy channel ops.
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abcdefg
I'm no longer banned from Monero-pools
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abcdefg
Its a sign
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apotheon
good
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apotheon
for you
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apotheon
"It's a sign!"
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apotheon
"A sign of what?"
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apotheon
"Yield, I think."
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louipc
u should have the max number of As in your nick and realname and username
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louipc
also hostname
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abcdefg
That would be next level
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louipc
also email address
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nioc
lord_fomo[m]: nice old news you provide
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nioc
2019
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nioc
it's 2021 now
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nioc
I think
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lord_fomo[m]
i'm just proxying
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lord_fomo[m]
good thing you read the dates
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lord_fomo[m]
i was just liquidating
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» lord_fomo[m] pounds buy buttonz
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apotheon
00:47 < nioc> I think
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apotheon
congrats
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somethingUniqueR
.val 0.008882 xmr
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Wallet
somethingUniqueR: ≈$2.3875 • ≈ value of: 0.008882 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm
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lord_fomo[m]
svag:
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lord_fomo[m]
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orly_owl
wont happen
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lord_fomo[m]
> Despite its toxicity and divisiveness, the decentralist-centralist divide is likely to persist and will come to change more than how people think in society. It will determine how society is designed and laid out. It will bring about the mainstream adoption of decentralized areas, with the pioneer model being “private cities”. The easy way to think about a private city is to imagine Monaco without the royal family
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lord_fomo[m]
the excessive wealth. Citizens are not exactly rich or completely “free” as they still live under the rule of law of the host country. Though, as private cities have rules themselves, usually low taxes and lower regulations that the host country has agreed upon, citizens do have more economic “freedoms” (which is somewhat subjective).
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lord_fomo[m]
apotheon: kinda wat we were talkin
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lord_fomo[m]
it's gonna be full on blade runner
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apotheon
lord_fomo[m]: Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
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orly_owl
good
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gingeropolous
tasty typo: Instead, the laws of numbers, maths, and psychics run society.
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apotheon
"let's live in dystopia"
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orly_owl
^
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apotheon
Why?
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apotheon
I'm curious about what about it you like for the real world.
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lord_fomo[m]
it's gud if ur into botz like harrison
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lord_fomo[m]
it's bad if ur into not wearing long jackets
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lord_fomo[m]
can't find my pants
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Mumuks[m]
<lord_fomo[m] "can't find my pants"> It is ok old man
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Mumuks[m]
<lord_fomo[m] "> Despite its toxicity and divis"> I love how butthurt he sounds that people will be more free and busybodies like him will not be able to control others so much
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aaaaaaaaaaaa
Oh my name is back
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lord_fomo[m]
<Mumuks[m] "It is ok old man"> they were in the drawer
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lord_fomo[m]
was pikering all day
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lord_fomo[m]
look what y'all did
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lord_fomo[m]
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lord_fomo[m]
🚨
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legrenfroag[m]
heylo frens, i heard xmr was "exploited" and can now be tracked. is that bs?
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lord_fomo[m]
ur mum tell you that
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legrenfroag[m]
jes
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lord_fomo[m]
man this place is gettin more awesome
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lord_fomo[m]
ur mam sounds like she's into fud
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legrenfroag[m]
big fud yes
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selsta
>Regarding circulating supply, we are still working with our lawyers to determine what we can and can't say here.
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selsta
that sounds shady lol
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Mumuks[m]
<selsta "that sounds shady lol"> As fuck
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lord_fomo[m]
k where tf is svag
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lord_fomo[m]
this is bridged to irc right?
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lord_fomo[m]
<legrenfroag[m] "heylo frens, i heard xmr was "ex"> u might wanna provide proof of claim
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lord_fomo[m]
in order to get a grump zone going
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danielk[m]
<lord_fomo[m] "
medium.com/concoda/crypt"> Great! Thx for sharing! U should read "free private cities" from Titus Gebel, mindblowing book!!!
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u9000[m]
« lord_fomo: this is bridged to irc right? » yes
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u9000[m]
that's why many people's names are "freenode_alice" (instead of just "alice")
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oiuiki
My node won't sync beyond a certain point. Is anyone up for helping me to trouble shoot this?
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fehho[m]
Sounds like a problem that can be solved by popping some blocks.
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oiuiki
how would I pop blocks?
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dEBRUYNE
oiuiki: Might be corrupted, did you incur an unexpected shutdown?
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oiuiki
I did!
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oiuiki
I got it figured out now I think after some googling about popping blocks and now I get why it happened
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rrznadsac
Dear fireice_uk. I must strongly object to you reporting our great Monro community members to Freenode for racism AND getting people K-lined as a result! i.imgur.com/R0T9GGY.png THEY ARE NOT NEO-NAZI!!! THEY ARE JUST SAYING NEO-NAZI THINGS!! i.imgur.com/JYu44As.png I know this because they have been nice to me and made me their Magical Crypto Friend! If you don't cease immediately I shall throw another tantrum!
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rrznadsac
Monero Community Member PS. You are interrupting my session of masturbation to The Man in the High Castle.
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legrenfroag[m]
dropping xrm rn
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legrenfroag[m]
* dropping xmr rn
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oiuiki
are posts like that frequent?lol
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sech1
Every day
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dEBRUYNE
oiuiki: All right, let me know if you need any further assistance
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legrenfroag[m]
maybe because the payment processors have band all the jew haters
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legrenfroag[m]
* maybe because the payment processors have bannd all the jew haters
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oiuiki
Thanks! I will. I think I got it though.
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cer
Hi there, monerod takes it time to sync, but it only uses 14% of CPU on 100 MBit connenction. Is it possible to setup monerod to use like 75 % CPU? Thanks
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cer
basically monerod uses only 1 core on a 8 core machine. How to setup monerod for using more than 1 core?
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qay1
Hi community,
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qay1
I have some problems to start Monero on a RaspberryPi 4 8GB arm64.
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qay1
Installed is a Raspbian for arm64
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qay1
Kernel
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qay1
5.10.0-0.bpo.4-arm64
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clavi
name one reason why I shouldn't just ban OVH IPs from my monerod
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» Inge- listens to crickets
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gingeropolous
qay1, what are the problems?
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pvzxviyek
What kind of person steals from their own community? www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6d6okb/what_fluffypony_just_did_is_not_ok/
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ooga_booga[m]
let's cancel fluffy just for lulz
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ooga_booga[m]
as leftists do it with RMS now
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charolastra
do we have any rumor on him?
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rupee[m]
I heard he helps animals and volunteers time towards open source projects
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charolastra
female animals?
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ooga_booga[m]
no no no stop it it's just a joke...
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charolastra
:P
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ooga_booga[m]
oh, I have a question about Monero. I like this project but I don't know how to make my zoomer donation page more normie-oriented. Like you know when follower presses "PaYpAL" and pays money directly. Maybe some resources exists to make donations/payments/etc more usable?
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ooga_booga[m]
* oh, I have a question about Monero. I like this project but I don't know how to make my zoomer donation page more normie-oriented. Like you know when follower presses "PaYpAL" and pays money directly. Maybe some resources exist to make donations/payments/etc more usable?
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charolastra
there are wordpress plugins that can do monero
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nc1236[m]
Just drop your XMR address with a QR code
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charolastra
but yeah, for donations a QR code is enough
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nc1236[m]
If they have XMR (and aren't learning about it for the first time), that should be more than enough
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ooga_booga[m]
<charolastra "there are wordpress plugins that"> I thought maybe exists some website or exchanger that can automatize it.
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ooga_booga[m]
> <@freenode_charolastra:matrix.org> there are wordpress plugins that can do monero
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ooga_booga[m]
* I thought maybe exists some website or exchanger that can automatize it.
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ooga_booga[m]
nc1236: not for normies, they should just press "give money" and forget about it, who will use monero in our lazy world
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charolastra
so you want credit card payments?
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ooga_booga[m]
<charolastra "so you want credit card payments"> idgaf about what type of money they send but i want to receive XMR
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charolastra
oh, so you're looking for a payment provider that will convert paypal, CC, ... payments and sends XMR. i don't think anything like that exists
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charolastra
i think there are some for BTC. you could add the extra step to end up with xmr
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sethsimmons
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charolastra
LOL "The INCREASE in Monero's transactions from February to March exceeds the # of fully shielded transactions in Zcash's entire history."
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usernetinternet[
<sethsimmons "
twitter.com/jehrenhofer"> "Im sorry your zCash despoit was frozen because your zcash was involved in a private transaction"
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sethsimmons
<charolastra "LOL "The INCREASE in Monero's tr"> spitting fire
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legrenfroag[m]
zee cesh is dah bettar coein
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legrenfroag[m]
pov: you're about to delete your zcash wallet
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yanmaani
recommend me a decent btc to xmr exchange that doesn't rape you with the captcha
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yanmaani
no kyc, has to allow tor
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usernetinternet[
Found this imagine online
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usernetinternet[
For getting xmr without kyc
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lza_menace
anyone know if the presentation fluffyp used in this video is available for download?
youtube.com/watch?v=Fe5QPDLk0mE
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entry1
I like how he made all those pics to just say USD -> Coinbase LTC -> Cake Wallet XMR. But hopefully that is helpful to some people other than fiat to XMR on LM
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entry1
The more diversity the better
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legrenfroag[m]
is exodus wallet any good?
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legrenfroag[m]
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usernetinternet[
<entry1 "I like how he made all those pic"> Litecoin is better if you just want to transfer than btc because of the much lower fees
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picoq[m]
usernetinternet: isn't Cardano even lower fee?
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entry1
I mean why even give litecoin or give any other coin business to buy when you can do xmr for cash? I don't think there should be any barrier coin to use to obtain or sell xmr
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usernetinternet[
<entry1 "I mean why even give litecoin or"> Some countrys ban it and some people dont trust sending cash so online no kyc exchanges are good
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entry1
Agreed, but you're still tying your identity to crypto which sucks. I mean of course its good to be able to exchange to xmr from other coins, but it shouldn't be a go to method because you're driving up the value of other coins
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entry1
Not taking away merit at all from getting into monero, just pathetic it has to come to that
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yanmaani
usernetinternet[: I already have BTC, I don't want to use a phone
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usernetinternet[
<yanmaani "usernetinternet: I already have "> You can change via changeNow on desktop
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usernetinternet[
Changenow is the swap service that cakewallet uses
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abcdefg
How much can you exchange btc to xmr on change now via cake wallet before they ask for KYC?
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donkeydonkey[m]
<legrenfroag[m] "
exodus.com"> its a nice wallet for shitcoining
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abcdefg
Did I miss the answer
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abcdefg
My connection keeps dropping no idea why
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abcdefg
On how much u can exchange via cake b4 kyc
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moneromooo
-!- abcdefg [~aaaaaaaaa⊙csrrc] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] -- do you close the lid maybe ?
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moneromooo
(and there was no reply)
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abcdefg
No
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abcdefg
I was using my laptop lol
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abcdefg
moneromooo
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abcdefg
I'm using xchat azure should I switch to a different IRC client maybe
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usernetinternet[
<abcdefg "How much can you exchange btc to"> No kyc at all
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abcdefg
usernetinternet[ even for 10k+
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raas[m]
At trezor suite I read that changenow does kyc on suspicious tx. But refunds before kyc...
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picoq[m]
What makes a transaction "suspicious"?
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usernetinternet[
<picoq[m] "What makes a transaction "suspic"> In the eyes of chainanalysis firms, every single tranaction by users they dont have the entire life history of
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picoq[m]
usernetinternet: Jerks.
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as2333
where's the dex for gold/silver <---> monero?
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rupee[m]
<as2333 "where's the dex for gold/silver "> r/pmsforsale
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apotheon
PMS?
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apotheon
. . . for sale?
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rupee[m]
precious metals
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apotheon
ah
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rupee[m]
hard to have a very effective decentralized exchange for something that requires physical delivery
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usernetinternet[
<rupee[m] "hard to have a very effective de"> Would probably need some sort of escrow to hold funds but then that defeats the point
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yanmaani
as2333: localmonero's the closest you get
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as2333
I see
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rupee[m]
is openbazaar ded?
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yanmaani
but in reality, the liquidity is gonna be much better by crossing into USD
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as2333
rupee[m], well, you can have a decentralized 'platform' to arrange the deals. Delivery is a problem to be solved by the parties involved.
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usernetinternet[
If you really wanted to have no connection i would rent a few megahash from a mining rig rental service and get monero from mining😂
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somethingUniqueR
.val 0.010483 xmr
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yanmaani
as2333: how to solve scamming?
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yanmaani
the realistic option: auction your gold bars on ebay, take the money you get and buy monero
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rupee[m]
yeah
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as2333
meh
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yanmaani
usernetinternet[: the rig rental service can connect it, though?
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yanmaani
Just buy monero with KYC and then move it to a new wallet, problem solved...
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usernetinternet[
<yanmaani "Just buy monero with KYC and the"> Yeah unless you believe you are being hunted by the cia just buy it on an exchange
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apotheon
abcdefg: 18:49 -!- abcdefg [~aaaaaaaaa⊙csrrc] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep]
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apotheon
abcdefg: in case the quit message helps at all
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abcdefg
No idea lol
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apotheon
What OS are you using? Is this a laptop?
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abcdefg
Yeah
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abcdefg
macOS Big Sur
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apotheon
hm
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abcdefg
The new MacBook Pro with the apple m1
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as2333
rupee[m], by the way your reddit suggestion is the centralized-NSA exchange. Not exactly what I had in mind.
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rupee[m]
heh
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apotheon
Can you turn off its sleep-on-lid-close? Maybe something's borked with that.
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abcdefg
Whats weird is I'm not even closing the lid
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apotheon
abcdefg: . . . or maybe you should just set up a tmux session on an always-on system and run a console-based IRC client in tmux.
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apotheon
That's why I said maybe something is borked; maybe it's doing something untoward related to poor management software or glitchy sensors or something like that.
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Quotes
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abcdefg
Let me look into that
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abcdefg
I'm using xchat azure
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abcdefg
I think its related to the IRC client honestly
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apotheon
Try another client, I guess.
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apotheon
.faucet
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apotheon
No?
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apotheon
okay, Wallet is AWOLet
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apotheon
Wallet: help
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apotheon
help me, Rhonda
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PapuaHardyNet
.wallet
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moneromooo
as2333: can you link the evidence ?
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picoq[m]
<apotheon "help me, Rhonda"> Good one. Showing your age!
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as2333
moneromooo, evidence for the nature of reddit?
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apotheon
That song is slightly older than me.
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moneromooo
for "centralized-NSA exchange".
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moneromooo
Also, what you mean by that.
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picoq[m]
Beach Boys stuff is great
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moneromooo
Or is it just "they're a central company, so they're pwned" ?
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apotheon
moneromooo: I suspect it's hyperbole, and what you just said.
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as2333
moneromooo, well, reddit is obviously a centralized service.
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moneromooo
I thought so too, just was curious if there was more to it.
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as2333
moneromooo, and then yes I assume it works for the US govt.
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apotheon
I suspect your meaning of "works for the US govt" is meant to stand in for "will respond favorably to US government requests to turn over information about users".
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usernetinternet[
moneromooo: how do you stay anon while working on xmr? Are you afraid they will track u?
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as2333
I assume it forwards all traffic to the NSA.
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moneromooo
I strongly suspect I am not to them.
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as2333
same thing ATT has been doing for what 20 year?
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apotheon
actively forwards all traffic to NSA specifically
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as2333
years*
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apotheon
That's a heck of a claim.
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as2333
which one?
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moneromooo
The AT&T one is well documented fwiw.
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apotheon
19:55 < apotheon> actively forwards all traffic to NSA specifically
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Quotes
NSA? Morono protects me.
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apotheon
19:55 < apotheon> That's a heck of a claim.
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as2333
apotheon, yeah sorry
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apotheon
moneromooo: Yeah, AT&T is a bit different.
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as2333
frankly it seems like a pretty uncontroversial claim to me
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moneromooo
The NSA pwned google traffic years back, and google is quite a lot larger and technically tooled up.
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moneromooo
Now, the claim might be they do knowingly, I dunno.
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as2333
also, reddit's censorship campaigns are disgusting and another clear 'hint' of what reddit is
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as2333
anyway, I asked for a 'decentralized exchange' and was told to use reddit and ebay. Maybe I was trolled.
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moneromooo
Well, reddit and ebay. Two different ones, so it's not centralised :D
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as2333
moneromooo, =)
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charolastra
you're only trolled if you actually believe it
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as2333
ok so I wasn't then =P
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apotheon
19:57 < moneromooo> Now, the claim might be they do knowingly, I dunno.
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apotheon
That's how I read it.
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apotheon
It's the "yes, we're actively sending this specifically to the NSA constantly" implication that I find a bit much without some kind of evidence.
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abcdefg
I mean reddit is collecting user data
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apotheon
I'm not opposed to assuming the NSA has access to it all -- just skeptical that reddit has some kind of data-sync push job going on just for the NSA.
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Quotes
NSA? Morono protects me.
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abcdefg
They have explicitly doing and pushing for user signups
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abcdefg
Breaking the mobile website on phones so ppl download the app
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abcdefg
Its clearly to encourage data collection
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abcdefg
If a website is collecting large amounts of user data to sell for profits etc it might as well be an NSA honeypot
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apotheon
sure
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abcdefg
Reddit is cancer anyways
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apotheon
encouraging data collection is normal now (and no, that doesn't justify it at all)
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as2333
apotheon, why wouldn't they
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apotheon
Yeah, reddit is a waste of energy and time.
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apotheon
as2333: It would be extra work for little or no business benefit.
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as2333
apotheon, also the US is ruled by secret laws
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as2333
apotheon, no business benefit?
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apotheon
Just giving data to someone doesn't help you.
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apotheon
What do you get in return?
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as2333
apotheon, you're part of the US 'public private' 'alliance'.
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apotheon
I'm not sure what that sentence-ish thing means.
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as2333
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as2333
apotheon, see so called 'parallel construction'
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apotheon
I also think reddit is probably far enough down the list of sites from which the NSA would want data that the NSA probably doesn't have a budget set aside for making friendly payments for data. The NSA would probably rather get it without direct knowledge of reddit.
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apotheon
. . . because it can probably be done much more cheaply that way.
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as2333
apotheon, maybe. But I think it's quite reasonable to assume that reddit is complicit.
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apotheon
perhaps tacitly
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apotheon
I doubt it's explicitly.
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as2333
Well I assume it is.
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apotheon
It is at least effectively complicit by not being more diligent in protecting user data.
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apotheon
. . . but that's not quite as strong as even "tacitly complicit", let alone "explicitly complicit".
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usernetinternet[
<as2333 "
eff.org/deeplinks/20"> So much for 4th ammenedment
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apotheon
Anyway, this is all just farting in the wind. We all agree that reddit isn't a place that likely keeps our data safe.
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apotheon
egad
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as2333
usernetinternet[, yeah. So the govt convicts people using secret 'evidence'.
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apotheon
The Matrix gateway interface on Freenode is shit. It quoted a URL, but cut it off at a hard character length, so it's a broken URL.
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rupee[m]
sounds like a shitty chat experience
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apotheon
It's a shitty gateway experience.
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moneromooo
Or a chatty shit experience.
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» moneromooo steps back
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apotheon
that too
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moneromooo
Having lots of tests is really both really great and fucking infurating...
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apotheon
How so?
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moneromooo
Because you take ages to work out the bug is in the test, and you were asumming it wasn't -_-
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ndorf
apotheon: i don't think it's meant to, or needs to, fully quote the URL. just identify the original message it was responding to.
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apotheon
moneromooo: oh, ouch
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apotheon
ndorf: When the original message is lost in a sea of messages, though, you then have nothing but a broken URL to go on.
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ndorf
the full URL is in the replied-to message
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ndorf
surely, it wouldn't be better to quote the entire original message every response?
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apotheon
cool, I replied to a message ndorf hadn't yet sent
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ndorf
the quoted piece should be enough to find the original, by using e.g. /last eff.org
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usernetinternet[
Eta on triptych?
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ndorf
i guess you must have access to my NSA feed?
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moneromooo
Unknown.
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apotheon
Shit. I didn't know /last was a thing.
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moneromooo
The code's ready but not reviewed/audited.
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ndorf
lol
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apotheon
ndorf: Thanks!
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ndorf
maybe you'd be better off using matrix than IRC? >:)
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» ndorf ducks
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apotheon
har har har
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moneromooo
Also needs a decision on (1) multisig and (2) ring size.
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usernetinternet[
<moneromooo "Unknown."> Are ringsizes going to remain fixed after triptych? Or will they become variable again?
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apotheon
I've never really needed /last like that until the Matrix gateway came along.
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moneromooo
Almost certainly fixed.
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moneromooo
Though triptych txes will be N and CLSAG txes will be M, with M != N.
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ndorf
i mean, without the matrix gateway, there would be no quote at all. so i'm not sure how that's any better for your use case
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moneromooo
And of course, pre-rct will be variable still.
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usernetinternet[
<moneromooo "Almost certainly fixed."> Thanks
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moneromooo
Also, it's not actually decided it'll go in.
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apotheon
ndorf: People have to make a point of quoting/contextually-replying in either Matrix or IRC. The difference is that the quoting tends to be far more extensive in Matrix and chopped off through the gateway when coming to Freenode, while replies originating in IRC tend to involve the replying party composing a contextually-aware response.
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moneromooo
It's very likely though.
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apotheon
ndorf: The issue is that Freenode's Matrix gateway doesn't translate this well at all.
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ndorf
apotheon: i think the standard IRC response would be with no quote at all, at most the nickname of the person being responded to.
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ndorf
not seeing how that's better than a partial quote. you can just ignore the partial quote and get the same result
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apotheon
ndorf: That only seems to be the case in IRC for cases where there aren't other messages after the addressed message that could confuse the issue.
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ndorf
like, there is no scenario in which a pure IRC response would quote the entire URL
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apotheon
If the last message from as2333 was with the link, sure, but with several other as2333 messages following it the response would probably include more to indicate to which message the person was replying.
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ndorf
such as?
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ndorf
at most you'd get "re the link you pasted," which is clearly worse than a partial url you can use /last to search for.
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apotheon
"Wow, that EFF link -- so much for the fourth amendment."
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apotheon
or something
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ndorf
right, so now you need to eyeball the results of /last as2333 looking for EFF links.
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ndorf
as opposed to just /last eff.org or even /last <entire partial URL>
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apotheon
The thing is . . . a partial EFF link might give you something to try to find, but it does so in a way that shows ability to provide something more useful while resolutely refusing to do it.
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rupee[m]
<apotheon ""Wow, that EFF link -- so much f"> soon it'll start eating into 3rd amendment. If the govt plants a bot in my computer, is that bot a soldier that I'm housing? 🤔
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apotheon
It comes off like a tease rather than genuine helpfulness.
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ndorf
it sounds like you're proposing quoting the *entire* message being responded to, which seems pretty clearly bad
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apotheon
not necessarily
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apotheon
just proposing not using magic numbers in code meant to present something useful to the reader
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apotheon
If you want to be "helpful", try actually thinking about what makes it helpful.
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ndorf
you need a hard cutoff, otherwise your quotes will be way too long.
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apotheon
A soft cutoff up to a lager useful length seems better than *just a hard cutoff*.
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as2333
you don't need 'autoquote' - it's a stupid 'featured'
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as2333
feature*
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ndorf
URLs can be arbitrarily long, so you'll end up cutting off some of them anyway.
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apotheon
s/lager/larger/
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apotheon
I'm not talking about beer.
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ndorf
that's probably the issue.
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as2333
free beer!
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apotheon
Cutting off a 1000-character URL is not the same as cutting off a 20-character URL.
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ndorf
i mean, sure. i suppose you could make a case that a special case for URLs should exist, but it's certainly not self-evident
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apotheon
There's also the fact that, other than using /last, I see roughly-useless choppoed-quote messages from Matrix more often than useful.
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ndorf
if you can prove that a large number of URLs are longer than the default cutoff, but not *much* longer, then maybe.
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ndorf
otherwise it's just extra complexity for no good reason.
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apotheon
How about a special case for not cutting off the middle of a "word" that isn't absurdly long?
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ndorf
as an OpenBSD user you ought to be amenable to that argument, no? :)
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apotheon
As an OpenBSD user, you ought to be amenable to selecting reasonable cutoff boundaries -- right?
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ndorf
i guess that would be "ok" but still, more complexity for a marginal improvement at best.
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apotheon
I mean, I can do that with a single command at the shell.
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apotheon
It's trying to make two different chat protocols work nicely together and mutually intelligible. This is *not* exactly the high-water mark for complexity of the task.
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apotheon
Anyway, I've seen quite a few Matrix gateway quotes that were useless as hell even when they don't cut off some URL in the middle.
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apotheon
. . . and what about the case of someone sharing half a dozen EFF links? What does /last show for that?
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apotheon
(with other messages between)
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» apotheon checks /help last.
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ndorf
by default it will show all of them, modulo your configured buffer size, with no other context. there are a lot of options though.
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apotheon
I guess -count looks like it might help, but you then still don't know which link if the part up to the cutoff is the same for each.
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ndorf
yes, you're screwed there, but i don't think there is any perfect solution.
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ndorf
always quoting the whole thing would be bad.
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ndorf
quoting nothing at all would also be bad.
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apotheon
There's a better solution, and that's what I'd like to see.
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apotheon
Is it really so difficult to conceive of a better solution that doesn't involve pulling in a machine learning system?
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ndorf
i guess you could have an AI decide how much to quote based on context but ... overkill for the <1% of cases where that even remotely matters
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apotheon
Is it your contention that there's no reasonable way to improve a shitty user experience?
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fibonacci
.balance
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apotheon
I'm answering what you're saying before you say it, again.
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apotheon
I think Wallet is broken.
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ndorf
my contention is that there doesn't seem to be an obvious way to improve it without making the most common cases much worse.
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apotheon
How is "don't cut off a word if the total length of the resulting quote is less than double the length of the default cutoff" either impossibly complex or a worse user experience?
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apotheon
. . . and if you think it is worse, try 1.5 instead of 2.
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apotheon
. . . and if you think 1.5 is still too much, I think we just disagree.
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ndorf
because a large percentage of the time, it will just increase noise without improving anything.
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ndorf
i.e., long URLs will still be cut off.
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apotheon
An essentially useless quote also just increases noise without improving anything.
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ndorf
it's not useless, it's enough to /last for 90%+ of the time.
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apotheon
If long URLs will still be cut off, for some definition of "long", some will not. It's an improvement.
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ndorf
cutting off a word doesn't seem much better than completing the word but still cutting off in the middle of a sentence.
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ndorf
s/better/worse/
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apotheon
. . . especially because some long URLs are long because of initial material that doesn't differentiate from other URLs on the same site.
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donkeydonkey[m]
.balance
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apotheon
ndorf: "word" is stand-in for "word-like thing, probably bounded by spaces"
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ndorf
i think you would need to demonstrate that a small factor like 1.5 or 2.0 would improve a significant percentage of URLs before demanding a change
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apotheon
holy fuck
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apotheon
This is starting to sound like bureaucracy.
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ndorf
it's been sounding like something like premature optimization, except possibly not even optimizing anything
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apotheon
Your contention seems to be that I need to provide a longitudinal study of evolving chat system usage patterns with A/B testing in some off-Freenode context before I can raise the issue of whether we can do better.
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apotheon
(The whole point of "premature optimization" admonishments is that they often don't optimize anything, by the way, so that's a little redundant.)
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apotheon
"I think this would be better."
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apotheon
"NO ABSOLUTELY NOT WE MUST NOT CONSIDER EVEN CONSIDERING IT UNTIL YOU HAVE PROOF."
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ndorf
well, if the reality is that most URLs are still cut off even with your 1.5-2.x leeway, then i'd say you've made things worse.
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apotheon
If that isn't the reality, it would make it better.
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apotheon
Perhaps it's worth considering.
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ndorf
right.
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apotheon
as opposed to "go die in a fire without having performed A/B testing"
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apotheon
"How dare you question the way it works now?" doesn't seem productive to me.
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apotheon
That's very much how you come off to me right now.
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ndorf
i didn't tell you to DIAF, i told you to go and determine whether your change actually makes things better or worse :)
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apotheon
No, you didn't tell me to just die in a fire. You didn't even literally use those words. You did, however, basically act like I need A/B testing to even raise the issue.
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apotheon
no discussion allowed until one has rock solid proof
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ndorf
i don't think i ever demanded "Rock solid proof," even a shred of evidence would be a good start. and what is this if not a discussion?
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apotheon
It's you telling me to stop because I'm wrong unless I can show statistics, as far as I can tell -- and has been from about word three.
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ndorf
what have i said that could possibly be interpreted as telling you to stop?
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apotheon
You literally told me I need to show evidence that, if actually collected, would require a statistical study.
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ndorf
all i'm saying is i suspect your change would be worse, not better
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ndorf
what statistical study? just compile a decent sample of URLs posted in here. that's surely a heck of a lot less work than just going ahead with your suggested change, only to find out later that it is in fact worse
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apotheon
20:36 < ndorf> i think you would need to demonstrate that a small factor like 1.5 or 2.0 would improve a significant percentage
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apotheon
statistics
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ndorf
so: log the channel for a few days, grep http:// and https:// out of it, and see how many of those are longer than 1.5x-2x the existing limit.
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apotheon
20:33 < ndorf> because a large percentage of the time, it will just increase noise without improving anything.
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apotheon
Provide me with statistical proof of that claim, then.
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apotheon
before shooting down an idea
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ndorf
you're the one proposing a change, i'd say the onus is on you to prove that it would actually provide a benefit.
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ndorf
or at least that it *might* provide a benefit.
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apotheon
here we go again
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apotheon
"Let's not consider it because . . ."
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apotheon
Note that many times I said "consider" and you keep saying I'm demanding a specific change now.
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apotheon
. . . as opposed to just suggesting different approaches to making it better that could be *considered*.
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PapuaHardyNet
is there a rule that matrix users should be provided first class support in using this channel?
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apotheon
That, to me, makes it seem like you're saying my request is unreasonable and akin to demanding one specific change, and you keep asserting that it cannot possibly be better short of someone proving it to you with statistical data.
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apotheon
PapuaHardyNet: dunno
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ndorf
well, let's start with the specific URL you're complaining about.
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ndorf
the quoted portion was 32 characters, and the full URL was 78 -- more than double.
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apotheon
PapuaHardyNet: I'm more interested in whether there should be some consideration made for improving the user experience for IRC users who have to read fragmentary quotes from Matrix and load up pastes when someone wants to quote someone else's two-word message and follow up with a one-word response.
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apotheon
ndorf: Here's a question for you, then.
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apotheon
ndorf: Is 78 too long for nothing but a URI when the rest of the reply is just a few words?
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PapuaHardyNet
just ignore them, why should you accomodate IRC to matrix's quirks?
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apotheon
I think expanding a single URI for a total message length of less than 100 characters to ensure that people know what the fuck is being said is not unreasonable.
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ndorf
i'd say yes, since it's likely to turn a one-line message into a two-line one
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ndorf
often enough, the quoted message will *still* be on the screen, resulting in a total waste.
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apotheon
wow
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apotheon
I often find that the quoted message is not still on the screen, and if we can't show whole URLs maybe we should just not show the message at all.
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apotheon
might as well shove it off into a pastebin
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ndorf
specifically, the message quoting the partial URL fit onto one line for me, but wouldn't have if it'd included the full URL.
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ndorf
of course, that depends on your window width and all that.
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PapuaHardyNet
I agree partially: URLs are text, a partial URL is as useless as no url
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PapuaHardyNet
especially if you are using a bot to mirror messages from matrix
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ndorf
i strongly disagree that the partial URL is useless, it's enough to search for in your history
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Quotes
useless? nothing is as useless as »Useless Ethereum Token« (UET®)
coinmarketcap.com/currencies/useless-ethereum-token
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ndorf
lol
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ndorf
or, if still on your screen, enough to identify it without searching
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ndorf
people tend to reply to recent-ish messages, so i'd say the latter case should be quite common
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apotheon
If the message is still on the screen, the /last defense for broken URLs doesn't mean much.
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ndorf
more like, if the message is still on the screen, duplicating the entire thing is even worse than if it isn't
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apotheon
I'm not sure what's so horrible about wrapping a message to a second line anyway.
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apotheon
This isn't Twitter.
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ndorf
i wouldn't say it's horrible, just worse than not doing that, because now you have to scroll back for context that would otherwise just be visible
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apotheon
How does one extra line cause scrolling issues?
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usernetinternet[
Quotes: better than the shit on bsc lol
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apotheon
BSC?
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usernetinternet[
apotheon: binance smart chain, its full of shittlkens
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usernetinternet[
* apotheon: binance smart chain, its full of shit tokens
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apotheon
Is your display eighty characters wide and four lines high?
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apotheon
usernetinternet[: Oh, Binance. Okay.
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apotheon
I like "shittlkens" as a neologism.
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ndorf
however high your display might be, the less of it is wasted, the better.
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ndorf
and showing the same message twice, in its entirety, on the same screen is definitely a complete waste
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apotheon
Do away with quotes, then, I guess, because most Matrix gateway quotes look like wasted space to me.
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apotheon
Hell, the pastebin "long message" stuff from the Matrix gateway is much longer than the quotes.
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apotheon
Why does that get special treatment?
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apotheon
It's sometimes longer than the fucking text in the paste.
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ndorf
no opinion on that, however, as far as doing away with quotes, while that's not a completely absurd suggestion, i do think that a short snippet quote is better than no quote at all.
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ndorf
it gives you something to search for if needed, without being as likely to add one or more extra lines.
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apotheon
might as well make it just "
eff.org" sometimes
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apotheon
In this case, there was nothing to differentiate it from two decades' worth of other EFF links.
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apotheon
It ended with the first two digits of the article year.
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ndorf
sure, except that is a) more work b) more possibility of bugs for c) marginal, if any, benefit
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apotheon
How is shortening it more work or more possibility of bugs?
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apotheon
It's just a change of a magic number, and cuts down on energy usage in practice.
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apotheon
(electricity, I mean)
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ndorf
lol
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ndorf
i'd assumed you meant cutting it off after the hostname, not just shortening the hardcoded length.
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apotheon
You seem opposed to anything that involves offloading user effort to the software, so no, that's not what I proposed.
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ndorf
but sure, i'd be okay with a shorter hard length, if you really so strongly prefer that.
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ndorf
32 also seems to be a reasonable cutoff to me, but sure, maybe 24 would be better.
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apotheon
Consider that the length of the quote in this case was the maximum size it could be without actually offering any more information than that it's an EFF article.
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apotheon
This seems like the objectively worst result that still makes some people think it's doing something useful.
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ndorf
that's not quite true -- it's an eff article after 1999 :P
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apotheon
It's indistinguishable from URLs for more than twenty years of articles.
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ndorf
sure, for that specific case even shorter would be great.
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apotheon
or longer
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apotheon
Even one more character would've been more useful, if not a lot more.
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ndorf
you would need all 78 characters for longer to be any good, which i'm still convinced is much worse than the shortened version
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apotheon
You wouldn't if you were concerned about getting multiple hits with /last.
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ndorf
and you're still talking about one specific URL, what happens when i post one of those microsoft-style URLs that's like 400 characters of pure gibberish?
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apotheon
. . . and we clearly disagree about whether a useful URL is useful.
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apotheon
Four hundred characters doesn't fit in a single Freenode message, as far as I recall, so that's clearly too much.
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ndorf
and then someone responds with a full copy of that URL, and now half your window is two copies of the same crap? fuck that
-
abcdefg
How do I open an application in current terminal window rather than it opening a new one
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abcdefg
I am playing around with tmux
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ndorf
apotheon: i just /msg'd you a bunch of crap and it looks like it gets cut off at 410 characters per message. :P
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ndorf
(i meant to try to send 400, but actually sent 1600, sorry about that xD)
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apotheon
har
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apotheon
The point is, if your quote takes up half the message limit, you've overstepped -- because at that point you're talking about usually having less new content than quote.
-
apotheon
(which is "normal" on Matrix, but that doesn't mean we should import that insanity as a norm in IRC)
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apotheon
abcdefg: I'm not sure what you mean about opening an application in the current terminal window. If it's a console-based application, you should just be able to run it at the shell prompt.
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abcdefg
Yeah I'm trying to just run xmrig in a Tmux window
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abcdefg
So I'm typing open xmrig
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apotheon
Is xmrig a console-based rpogram?
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apotheon
err, program
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apotheon
I've never used xmrig.
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ndorf
it is.
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ndorf
what's 'open'? just type xmrig
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ndorf
inside the existing tmux window you want to run it in
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apotheon
s/opening/starting/
-
apotheon
whatever
-
abcdefg
I'm on Macos so maybe I need to type open first?
-
abcdefg
I'm cd ~/xmrig
-
abcdefg
If I just type xmrig it won't find the program
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ndorf
you have a tmux window with a shell prompt in it, yes?
-
ndorf
what about ./xmrig
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apotheon
./xmrig
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abcdefg
Ohhh
-
abcdefg
That's what it is
-
abcdefg
Thanks
-
abcdefg
Yep
-
abcdefg
Thank you
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ndorf
another satisfied customer :)
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apotheon
If the current directory isn't in your $PATH, you need to specify its absolute or relative path.
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apotheon
That's all.
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abcdefg
Does tmux use like emacs style terminal control
-
abcdefg
Like scrolling up and down or changing lines
-
hyc
probably
-
hyc
I'll stick with screen and vi-style controls
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apotheon
abcdefg: sorta emacs-style
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apotheon
abcdefg: It uses commands very similar to GNU Screen, but with Ctrl-B instead of Ctrl-A.
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ndorf
yeah, WTF is up with that by the way
-
apotheon
. . . with what?
-
ndorf
Ctrl-A is arguably even worse, but they could choose any combo they wanted and chose one that's almost as bad
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apotheon
Yeah, Ctrl-A is worse. I dunno why they couldn't come up with something better than Ctrl-B, though.
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ndorf
exactly what i mean
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apotheon
It's configurable in tmux, at least.
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ndorf
like as bad or almost as bad. WTF
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ndorf
it's configurable in screen, too. but what an awful default
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apotheon
agreed, re: almost as bad
-
apotheon
Being configurable in Screen depends on how much you tolerate Screen config.
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apotheon
. . . which is basically all the detriments of Lisp with none of the benefits.
-
ndorf
fair enough
-
abcdefg
Is there a way to list wallet files I have in the cli or do I have to go to the file folder
-
abcdefg
And just view it like that
-
ndorf
abcdefg: the latter.
-
abcdefg
Thx
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ndorf
you can create wallets in arbitrary locations, so there's no way for the wallet to know about all of them.
-
ndorf
by default they're created in the current directory so you probably want to be careful about where you create them, too.
-
ndorf
like, if you create one in /tmp, send money to it and then reboot... that could be very bad.
-
somethingUniqueR
.faucet
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ndorf
of course, you should always write down the mnemonic seed before sending money to it, but anyway.
-
apotheon
ndorf: Oh, that's a dangerous use case that hadn't occurred to me.
-
ndorf
perhaps it should default to ~/.bitmonero after all, but i guess that would be a surprising change for those used to the current behavior.
-
ndorf
could be worth considering though, especially if it's only for names without slashes in them (so explicitly specifying ./foo would still work)
-
abcdefg
Where does the wallet default to getting created to
-
ndorf
the current directory
-
abcdefg
Weird
-
abcdefg
I don't see my wallet files
-
abcdefg
Rip 9 xmr wallet
-
abcdefg
Lmao
-
ndorf
that seems ... unlikely
-
ndorf
were you in a different directory when you created the wallet, than the one you're in now?
-
abcdefg
I'm gonna look around more I have the seed written down anyways
-
abcdefg
Well it opened its own terminal screen
-
abcdefg
So I'm not sure if that effected it
-
ndorf
if you wrote down the seed, then you can always restore the wallet, you haven't lost any funds
-
abcdefg
Yeah
-
abcdefg
I'm just trying to figure out where it saved
-
ndorf
i'm not familiar with MacOS but i'd assume a new terminal opens in $HOME
-
ndorf
actually my gf has a mac, let me go check
-
somethingUniqueR
.balance
-
selsta
abcdefg: is it in ~/
-
selsta
?
-
abcdefg
It might be let me try
-
encvckeexpqp
Will you HODL XMR or dump it for Tari when it comes out? Will others?
-
abcdefg
When opening a wallet in Monero-cli do I have to set the path where the wallet file is
-
abcdefg
If its not in the current dir
-
ndorf
yes
-
ndorf
unless you change to the dir the wallet is in before starting the wallet
-
ndorf
otherwise what do you expect, for it to search your entire hard drive for it?
-
abcdefg
No
-
abcdefg
Just wanted to make sure
-
ndorf
you can open it with the --wallet option, so you can use your shell's tab completion and whatnot
-
ndorf
as in: monero-wallet-cli --wallet <filename>
-
ndorf
or --wallet ~/filename, or --wallet /full/path/to/filename or whatever.
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abcdefg
Yeah it was saved in ~/
-
abcdefg
I just moved the files to the dir I have the wallet it and opened it that way
-
abcdefg
Thanks for the patience and help
-
ndorf
yeah, you can keep the files anywhere you like. just make sure to keep all files together.
-
ndorf
(at least wallet_name and wallet_name.keys)
-
abcdefg
Yeah I ran it through the open Monero-wallet-cli command so it opened a new terminal window and must've saved in ~/
-
ndorf
makes sense. you can avoid that by running it directly instead of through this 'open' command
-
ndorf
unless you actually want the new terminal window, in which case i don't know :)
-
abcdefg
Yeah
-
abcdefg
Still learning
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apotheon
ndorf: You're an incredibly hepful person in this channel, by the way. Thanks for being here.
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usernetinternet[
Ndorf saving peoples bags
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apotheon
yep
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ndorf
aw, thanks *blushes*
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apotheon
. . . and ndorf was stupendously helpful to me previously.
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endogenic
+1
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abcdefg_irssi
hello
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abcdefg_irssi
Ok im running IRC in tmux now lets see if I still drop all the time
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fibonacci
.rain $1.00 bch
-
fibonacci
👌
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apotheon
erm
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apotheon
I really think Wallet seems broken today.
-
luigi1111w
.rain 10000000 bsv
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rupee[m]
.soak $1 Happy Weekend
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apotheon
Maybe the feds caught up with Bill48105 and took control of the bot.
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rupee[m]
it works in PM, but not in this channel
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apotheon
Yeah, I noticed PMs can be used to check balance and so on.
-
apotheon
The feds probably haven't figured out that part, yet.
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nioc
it's weekend already?
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apotheon
sorta
-
apotheon
What do hats and Saturdays have in common?
-
apotheon
They both fit on the weak end.
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apotheon
I was kidding about the feds in this case, by the way.
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apotheon
abcdefg_irssi: no connection loss so far, apparently
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apotheon
It's hard to believe the CCCP nick isn't registered or currently in use.
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fibonacci
.rain $1 bch
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fibonacci
Limited to Monero as it should be?
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fibonacci
Seems reasonable honestly
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rupee[m]
.xmr
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fibonacci
Only because of our decline in popularity
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abcdefg_irssi
apotheon: yea I kinda thought it was just some weird client setting on xchat and I think thats what it was
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apotheon
abcdefg_irssi: coolio
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pe41[m]
How is it possible for someone to have two or more almost identical addresses that start with the number 4?
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apotheon
Randomness?
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apotheon
dunno
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pe41[m]
I don't know either and I find it very strange. Not sure if the guy has private keys to manage those addresses, but if he hasn't why would he use it to receive money?
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pixelized[m]
yeah my bet would be chance
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as2333
the chance of two addresses being almost identical is pretty much 0?
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pe41[m]
The chance for this to happen must be extremely low, especially considering the lenght of XMR Addresses.
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pe41[m]
I'm specifically refering to the first two miners
xmr.solopool.org/miners
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pe41[m]
Either he doesn't have keys to one of the addreses, but why would he burn money?
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rupee[m]
<pe41[m] "How is it possible for someone t"> see the "GENERATE WALLET WITH PREFIX" section:
moneroaddress.org
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rupee[m]
vanity addresses
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rupee[m]
brute force create addresses until it starts with the characters you want
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luigi1111w
those wouldn't be almost identical
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rupee[m]
oh, no not at all. I didn't read closely
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luigi1111w
unless someone is being pretty loose with terms
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pe41[m]
Do you know how long would it take to generete wallet with prefix?
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rupee[m]
depends on how many characters you want to specify
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pe41[m]
90.
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pe41[m]
Not possible
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rupee[m]
not possible
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pe41[m]
So there are two options left if I'm not mistaken: 1) He burns those money (and doesn't have access to the wallet) 2) He broke the cryptography?
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pe41[m]
I ain't no specialist and it makes me a bit worried, normally I wouldn't be concerned about it, but why would somebody burn his money?
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rupee[m]
how do you know the reported hashrate is real?
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pe41[m]
true, that's also an option, I don't. But it apparently sends payouts to those addreses?
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rupee[m]
shouldn't there be more than one recipient on at least one of the payouts then?
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pe41[m]
I don't think it has to be?
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moneromooo
They appear to be the same address, with two payment ids appended.
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rupee[m]
supportxmr has roughly the same hashrate as that pool is reporting and most payouts have multiple recipients on supportxmr
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moneromooo
(I did not actually check, but it looks very much that way)
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pe41[m]
Support xmr has a lot of small miners
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Bill48105
you gonna bail me out apotheon
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rupee[m]
ok, how about this one that has 1/3rd the hashrate:
web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-payments.html
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pe41[m]
<moneromooo "They appear to be the same addre"> Oh yeah. I forgot about payment IDs completely. it seems like thats the case
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Bill48105
.pause here ONLINE
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Wallet
Bill48105: zBot is now ONLINE for #monero@freenode
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Bill48105
.ping
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Wallet
Bill48105: PONG
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rupee[m]
.soak $1
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Wallet
rupee[m]: Really soak 0.00363262 XMR? y/n (10s)
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Bill48105
thought i disabled Sigyn emergency mode here
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rupee[m]
y
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abcdefg_irssi
what does that bot do?
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Wallet
rupee[m] soaked 0.00027 XMR (0.00363262 Total) upon 13 users @ 1430 minutes chaper nioc Gingeropolous dEBRUYNE Bill48105 Mumuks Davo_Dinkum u9000 louipc ndorf Wallet rrznadsac selsta @bonuspot (0.00012262 scraps) [08adbb95]
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Bill48105
nice htanks rupee
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Bill48105
that's what it does :)
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Bill48105
and 1000 other things
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abcdefg_irssi
gives free xmr?
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Bill48105
well the person soaking is the one giving the free monero but yeah
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abcdefg_irssi
oh i see
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abcdefg_irssi
it pms and asks for address?
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Bill48105
kek no the bot does not do that
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apotheon
Bill48105: I don't have enough XMR to get you out of a CIA black site. Sorry.
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Bill48105
if you get pm asking you for anything figure it's a scammer
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abcdefg_irssi
how does it send the xmr lol
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Bill48105
ok no worries i'll exit scam the the $7 in monero on the bot & bail myself out
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Bill48105
abcdefg_irssi you can ask the bot for address like .deposit (works in pm to Wallet as well)
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Bill48105
that's how you add monero to your bot account. the opposite is .withdraw monero_address amount/all to send it to another wallet
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rupee[m]
.help
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Wallet
rupee[m]: I'm a cool multi-coin multi-platform bot by Bill48105. Docs:
bill48105.github.io/wallet | My core commands: .balance .deposit .faucet .ping .soak .tip .val .withdraw | .help <games|share|misc|other> to see others | .help <cmd> for more details.
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rupee[m]
^ abcdefg_irssi there are the docs
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abcdefg_irssi
oh so its literally like an irc xmr wallet
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fibonacci
Bill48105: You exit scam artist from hell...
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Bill48105
yeah sure but it's on 10+ platforms
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Bill48105
.servers
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Wallet
Bill48105: Status: • freenode: On • keybase: On • reddit: On • slack: On • hmail: On • rizon: On • oftc: On • twitch: On • matrix: On • discord: On • telegram: On
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fibonacci
😆
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Bill48105
so you can use it any of those places
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Bill48105
hey fibonacci what up
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fibonacci
You have too much work.. find a boat to jump on
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apotheon
Thanks, rupee[m], for being such a buddy to the channel.
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apotheon
(re: soaking)
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rupee[m]
:-D
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rupee[m]
my pleasure
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fibonacci
Bill48105: jump on a 🚢
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fibonacci
.soak $10 bch
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Wallet
fibonacci: Really soak 0.01577793 BCH? y/n (10s)
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fibonacci
Y
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Wallet
fibonacci soaked 0.00112699 BCH (0.01577793 Total) upon 14 users @ 1435 minutes Davo_Dinkum Mumuks u9000 chaper nioc rupee[m] selsta louipc Gingeropolous Bill48105 ndorf dEBRUYNE rrznadsac Wallet @bonuspot (0.00000007 scraps) [eb5a291a]
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Bill48105
figure use the bot minimally here since it's for talking & bridged other places
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rupee[m]
woot
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apotheon
I really want to know what emoji fibonacci suggested as something on which Bill48105 should jump.
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Bill48105
lol fibonacci over here soaking evil coins but thanks :D
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fibonacci
It was a Boat
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Bill48105
it's a ship i think
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apotheon
fibonacci: Next time, maybe a number from the fibonacci sequence!
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Bill48105
it's a tiny mushroom stump..
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fibonacci
apotheon: that is a valid argument
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Bill48105
fib knows he can do them in ( )
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apotheon
fibonacci: Thanks anyay.
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rupee[m]
.cashfusion to xmr
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Bill48105
fib the Cash whale
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nioc
.burn bch
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Bill48105
nioc do .bch xtip all xmr :)
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abcdefg_irssi
so when it soaks to someone else you just tell the bot to withdraw to your address?
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apotheon
like soaking 0.112358 BCH or XMR or whatever
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Bill48105
yes basically abcdefg_irssi as long as you have enough
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apotheon
or just 8USD-worth
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abcdefg_irssi
.withdraw
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Wallet
abcdefg_irssi: Access denied for withdraw. Are you logged in?
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Bill48105
.register
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Wallet
Bill48105: /msg NickServ help -
freenode.net/kb/answer/registration - WARNING! DO NOT ISSUE /msg COMMANDS IN CHANNEL! You risk exposing email/pass to everyone..
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abcdefg_irssi
.register
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Wallet
abcdefg_irssi: /msg NickServ help -
freenode.net/kb/answer/registration - WARNING! DO NOT ISSUE /msg COMMANDS IN CHANNEL! You risk exposing email/pass to everyone..
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Bill48105
you need to be registered & logged in ^^
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Bill48105
read that
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Bill48105
running the command doesnt register you it tells you how
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nioc
.bch xtip all xmr
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Wallet
nioc: You want to xtip 0.00112699 BCH for 0.00236911 XMR (~$0.71443133)? y/n (10s)
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Bill48105
had to add the idiot proof warning on there
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nioc
y
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Wallet
nioc: You created xtip of 0.00112699 BCH for 0.00236911 XMR [84467df1]
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Bill48105
.xmr xtip 1
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Wallet
Bill48105: You want to xtip 0.00236911 XMR for 0.00112699 BCH (~$0.71443133)? y/n (10s)
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Bill48105
y
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Wallet
Bill48105: SUCCESS! Bill48105@freenode 0.00236911 XMR <-> nioc@freenode 0.00112699 BCH [84467df1]
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Bill48105
like magic
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nioc
thx Bill48105
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Bill48105
yup np :)
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Bill48105
that's one way to dump shit coins eh
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pe41[m]
<moneromooo "They appear to be the same addre"> Yup, it is. Thank you very much for reminding me that there are also payment ids! It honestly made me a bit worried when I saw that haha. :P
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nioc
first bch I have ever had lol
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rupee[m]
you couldn't get rid of it fast enough. lolol
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Bill48105
you want it back?
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Bill48105
lol ikr
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Bill48105
"OMG THIS SHIT BURNS!!" loo
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apotheon
My first BCH was someone offering to give me 5USD-worth of BCH if I'd install a BCH wallet.
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apotheon
. . . so what the hell, I did.
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Bill48105
how much is that worth now eh
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nioc
well I may have given my btc keys to someone to deal with the bch "airdrop" but I never touched it
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apotheon
about the same; it was this year
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Bill48105
handing over your keys can never go wrong
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apotheon
ne'er
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apotheon
People are basically good!™
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nioc
I had 100% confidence
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apotheon
. . . in what, exactly?
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nioc
that they would not take my bitscorn
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nioc
wait I think that I probably moved it cause of bch collision or something
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nioc
so long ago
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Bill48105
basically good until they aren't
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abcdefg_irssi
.wallet
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abcdefg_irssi
.register
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Wallet
abcdefg_irssi: /msg NickServ help -
freenode.net/kb/answer/registration - WARNING! DO NOT ISSUE /msg COMMANDS IN CHANNEL! You risk exposing email/pass to everyone..
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abcdefg_irssi
.deposit
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Wallet
abcdefg_irssi: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.
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Wallet
abcdefg_irssi: Send XMR to 8C89n3DEh8LHFicY7NK9raURLbYiV2xep7c1xxSJtDbpPYWkXaqQFt2irQ7hPbd8xdNLFTNyWLPNSBfLB7vurgXEJ3duN8x | credited after 3 confirms.
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abcdefg_irssi
.withdraw
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Wallet
abcdefg_irssi: Help: .withdraw <address|info> <amount|all> - Sends 'amount' coins to the specified address. Use 'all' for amount to send the whole balance
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Bill48105
hey you actually took the time to register & got it done right grats
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Bill48105
most commands work in pm to Wallet btw
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abcdefg_irssi
Okay cool
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nioc
what people will do for $$$ :)
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abcdefg_irssi
just playing around with it
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Bill48105
kek
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Bill48105
wait til he finds out faucet eh
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Bill48105
BOING!
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abcdefg_irssi
oh damn a FAUCET
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abcdefg_irssi
.faucet
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Wallet
abcdefg_irssi: How many #'s are in 87
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abcdefg_irssi
87
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Wallet
abcdefg_irssi: Oops that is not correct. Try again later.
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Bill48105
rekyt
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abcdefg_irssi
2
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abcdefg_irssi
LMAO
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rupee[m]
<pe41[m] "Yup, it is. Thank you very much "> wouldn't you still expect some of the payouts to have more than 1 recipient? even if it's all the same person, but using multiple payment ids, it should still send to more than one address
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apotheon
abcdefg_irssi: You should definitely do things like deposits and withdrawals outside of public channels.
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abcdefg_irssi
ya
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Bill48105
but yeah feel free to use the bot in one of the bot channels.. like it's in #tippero or ##wallet & #walletbot
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apotheon
23:50 < nioc> what people will do for $$$ :)
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apotheon
nioc: I would accept money.
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abcdefg_irssi
I'm not gonna spam the chat just wanted to see
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Bill48105
$20 is $20
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apotheon
What would you do for a Klondike bar?
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apotheon
abcdefg_irssi: I meant for the sake of your own privacy.
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nioc
people have offered me shitcoins b4 and I politely declined
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Bill48105
maybe abc was fishing for free deposits hoping someone would send some :D
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abcdefg_irssi
i have 18 trillion japanese chin tokens i will give out for free just to get it out of my metamask wallet
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apotheon
nioc: Is BCH a shitcoin for you?
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Bill48105
good luck witht hat
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nioc
apotheon: it's usless
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apotheon
I know someone who pays his hosting bills with BCH.
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Bill48105
useless is strong word when you literally just swapped it instantly & fee free for monero..
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apotheon
good point
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apotheon
It's useful for acquiring Monero!
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nioc
Bill48105: I first tried to burn it
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apotheon
in small quantities
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Bill48105
indeed
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Bill48105
even burning creates heat for warmth or cooking
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nioc
probably a large % of it is burnt
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apotheon
theoretically perfect-efficiency machine: space heater in a dark room when you want warmth and the equivalent of a night light
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apotheon
new definition of "inflationary": having quantities of BTC in various addresses equivalent to <10USD
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apotheon
s/inflationary/deflationary/
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apotheon
shit
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apotheon
How did I get that backward?
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apotheon
At some point, someone's going to have to change the BTC protocol to make it possible to consolidate small quantities for free to avoid 21M turning into 0 transactable BTC.
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apotheon
For a cryptocurrency that's cheaper to move around, that probably won't be a serious problem before it gets supplanted by something new, but with BTC it could just die of systemic illiquidity in the next decade for all I know.