01:25:09 test 01:25:16 ok i think its working 01:29:00 jesus 01:34:42 Hello, is this the right place to ask a technical question? 01:34:54 Yep. 01:37:24 Great! Well, not that technical, but: is there a way to speed up the initial block download? It's taking quite a long time... I should note that I do not get more than 10 mbps down. 01:38:18 The single biggest thing is to use a SSD instead of a spinning HDD. It makes a huge difference. 01:38:58 Dowload speed is *usually* not the bottleneck. 01:39:52 Also, freeing RAM is good, as your OS will cache more of the DB, leading to fewer disk accesses on later lookups. 01:39:55 Yeah, that's what I thought. I am pretty sure I have an SSD (8th gen x1 carbon). Is there a param I can tweak? 01:40:16 monero is using very little RAM, indeed. 01:40:25 I don't know that. But a recent laptop and SSD should get you a whole chain in a few hours. 01:41:38 If you run "sync_info" in monerod, what is the first or second line, that one with many 'o' in it ? 01:41:41 Really? I have been downloading this for probably at least a few days (non-continuously over the course of more than a week). 01:42:01 Days means HDD. Or something being really borked. 01:42:53 I assume you've not used --fast-block-sync 0, right ? 01:43:02 correct. 01:43:36 Apologies for polluting the channel with questions.... but I don't see `sync_info` among the CLI options for `monerod` 01:44:27 This is what the channel is for :) And it's to enter in the console, not as command line parameter. 01:44:36 in the monerod console. 01:45:24 If you've restarted monerod in the last minute or so, wait a minute first. 01:46:01 Confirmed I have an SSD 01:46:16 Also, if you have a HDD, you should get a warning whe nmonerod starts, telling you it'll be slow. 01:47:41 It's also possible you're stuck with just asshole peers. There are dozens of lying nodes which won't give you data. 01:47:59 (on purpose, just to be jerks) 01:48:13 I think I must be misunderstanding you... the only interactive console I have used for monero is the `monero-wallet-cli`. Is that what you're referring to? when I type `sync_info` in that console, it says there is no such command. 01:48:14 You can run monerod with --use-dns-blocklist and see if that helps. 01:48:36 monerod does seem to be blocking peers very often lol 01:48:46 I mean monerod, not monero-wallet-cli. If you run monerod with --detach, then you can run: "monerod sync_info". 01:49:03 🤦‍♂️ right of course. Doing that now. Sorry... 01:49:15 moneromooo: Doesn't Monero use checkpoints? 01:49:27 monerod uses checkpoints. 01:53:58 Should I dump the contents of `monerod sync_info` here? 01:54:22 Just the line with (hopefully) lots of 'o' in it. 01:54:39 Or everything on paste.debian.net. 01:54:57 [.o.] 01:55:29 Ah. OK. That means it's idling waiting for hte next block to be downloaded... 01:55:48 It's requested three spans of blocks, and got one back, but not the one it needs next. 01:55:57 So if it's always like this, that explains the slowness. 01:55:58 Here we go... 01:55:58 `[_oooooooo.]` 01:56:33 _ at start is not good. I don't recall what it means exactly though. You want 'm' at start (which means it matches what you need next). 01:56:45 Then plenty of 'o', which means "received". 01:57:16 It might be a bug, or maybe the jerk nodes send you wonky data. 01:57:17 Got it. So the number of `o`s is increasing, when I rerun the command, but the `_` is staying put. 01:57:55 should I open my laptop up to connections? 01:57:57 for the node 01:58:19 I'll hit the hay soon, but what you can do is: restart monerod, running with "--log-level 2", wait for this (line with _ at the start) to happen again, then paste the reslting logs to paste.debian.net and paste the URL here. I'll check it tomorrow. 01:58:29 Sure, can't hurt. 01:58:53 Sounds good. Thanks so much! 01:59:35 saying 12(out)+0(in) so I feel like im leeching like a private tracker or something lol 02:01:21 * moneromooo afk, good luck 02:02:12 Not sure if it matters, but I am running version Could it be a version problem? I'm running version `v0.17.1.9`, always use a VPN (I assume very common in the Monero world...) and use NextDNS. I am wondering whether that last thing might have something to do with it... 02:03:18 Is there a table of Figure 5 from https://eprint.iacr.org/2020/018.pdf anywhere? 02:03:45 What size of triptych txn has the same size as a CLSAG txn with 10 decoys? 02:09:50 Hey there, I am new to Monero, and I wonder if I can get a small amount of XMR to play with 02:09:56 no 02:10:54 a small amount to play with 02:11:00 play with it how 02:11:03 .faucet 02:11:03 abcdefg_irssi: Sum of 1st million digits of pi, times zero 02:11:08 0 02:11:09 abcdefg_irssi: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000006 XMR to abcdefg_irssi [5c92ef46] Wait ≈23 hrs 59 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.0123413 02:11:32 just do the faucet for ur small amount 02:13:55 .tip Daisy74 all 02:13:55 abcdefg_irssi: User 'Daisy74' not found on 'freenode'. Either they don't exist or they don't have an active bot account 02:14:32 I can tell you why you can't stop the 'spam'. You are thinking in cult doctrine. If it was real spam, and I was selling Viagra for example - you could easily ban keywords and urls. Instead, stop being a sheep, think like a cult leader. Recoginse that this 'spam' is just some bullshit that you tell to the sheep. 02:14:32 When you do that, solution will present itself. Observe. 'spam' -> 'FUK talks bad things about Monero on our IRC' (Don't say that out loud obviously, that will get you excommunicated) Solution? Get off-the-shelf sentiment analyser, detect anyone who 'talks bad things about Monero' and ban them. 02:15:18 .faucet 02:15:18 Daisy74: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in? 02:15:33 register on freenode first 02:15:50 Or perhaps they're wondering why someone would ban a man, who leaves of his own volition? 02:16:49 oh someone mustve tipped me xmr 02:17:11 i have more in the wallet bot than the fraction i just got from the faucet 02:17:49 it is really nice of nc1236[m] 02:19:06 lol how much'd you give him? 02:19:14 $1 02:19:58 .val 0.013596 xmr 02:19:58 somethingUniqueR: ≈$4.0402 • ≈ value of: 0.013596 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm 02:20:53 .val 0.01 02:20:53 abcdefg_irssi: Help: .val coin - Ticker prices for common coins & fiats. No value results in market details 02:20:59 .val 0.01 xmr 02:21:00 abcdefg_irssi: ≈$2.9703 • ≈ value of: 0.01 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm 02:21:15 u need to make $1.9 more before you can take it out of the bot 02:22:15 why is monero broken for cockbox i had to pay with btc 02:22:17 trash 02:22:46 abcdefg_irssi: If you're going to buy a service, why not pay for it? 02:24:18 wanted to pay for a vps with monero 02:24:23 but kept getting 404 error 02:24:27 had to pay with btc 02:25:22 well that seems like vincent's fault 02:25:26 should open a ticket 02:26:13 yeah, sounds like it's on their end, not XMR's fault 02:26:52 oh yeah it is on his end 02:27:03 sorry wasnt trying to make it seem like it was an issue with xmr 03:21:40 .xmr 03:21:40 rupee[m]: ≈$298.9256 • ≈ value of: 1 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm 03:21:54 mooning 03:25:18 .xmr 03:25:19 rupee[m]: ≈$299.3002 • ≈ value of: 1 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm 03:46:35 .tip abcdef_irssi -1 03:46:35 lza_menace: User 'abcdef_irssi' not found on 'freenode'. Either they don't exist or they don't have an active bot account 03:46:47 :P 04:58:59 Hey, does anybody here happen to know a replacement service for xmr.to, now that they've shut down? Would really appreciate some suggestions 05:04:14 what did xmr.to do 05:06:23 xmr -> btc swap 05:07:25 had friends recently use changenow and it worked easy peasy 05:25:22 i just used tradeogre 05:25:36 i would recommend it for btc xmr or whatever it supports 06:06:23 .pause 06:06:23 Bill48105: Bot is EMERGENCY 06:06:28 .pause here ONLINE 06:06:28 Bill48105: zBot is now ONLINE for #monero@freenode 06:06:35 swore i fixed that guess not 06:08:02 hey 06:08:03 anyone here 06:08:03 wanna help me 06:08:06 with ubuntu 06:09:37 nope 06:09:42 what kind of help 06:09:46 monero related? lol 06:10:09 and yes tradeogre is nice marlet 06:10:12 market even 06:10:41 ok oops i see the issue. fixed now (really this time lol) 06:20:38 no not monero related :( 06:20:40 ssh related 06:20:47 on a new ubuntu install 06:23:10 tough to try without knowing the question 06:25:35 im kind of at a loss 06:25:40 kek 06:25:49 me too without knowing your question 06:25:50 trying to configure this server with a static IP 06:26:03 kex_exchange_identification: read: Connection reset by peer 06:26:11 keep getting this error when trying to connect via ssh 06:26:41 did you try google :D 06:26:42 i feel like i configured the network wrong because i did it manual not dhcp 06:26:44 https://phoenixnap.com/kb/fix-connection-reset-by-peer-ssh-error 06:26:44 yes 06:26:49 furiously googling 06:27:00 did you read them 06:27:31 yes 06:28:05 that page i just linked goes into very specific detail on things to check.. 06:28:12 im going to check again 06:28:21 thats the first link i went through it but ill try again 06:28:53 right do that. or maybe try in #alt.linux they're pretty bright bunch in there especially nix related 06:29:27 yeah ill try them if this doesnt work 06:31:29 dont tell em i sent ya that way if you annoy the piss out of em they don't take it out on me lol 06:33:36 i wont 06:33:43 ur secret is safe for me thx for the tips 06:36:20 wish me luck 06:36:35 omg good luck 07:21:32 .bal 07:21:33 gumman: 0.0002797 XMR 07:21:35 .faucet 07:21:36 gumman: Of 7 <-> 9, which is 7 07:21:39 7 07:21:39 gumman: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000016 XMR to gumman [ddca0176] Wait ≈23 hrs 57 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.0123397 08:21:08 syncing was at 71.8 percent 08:21:17 now it's at 80.1 percent 08:21:19 took 20 hours 08:21:22 don't do this on a pi you guys 08:21:30 why did i have to have inadequate disk storage 08:21:32 why o why 08:22:41 why is tether not dead yet 08:23:24 I am sure that tether's fall is going to cause a crash in most cryptocurrencies. Only problem is that tether is *still* alive and being used ubiquitously 08:25:57 pixelized[m]: did you try pruning? 08:26:29 i want to run a full node 08:26:44 i just wanted to do the sync on a more powerful machine, but it did not have adequate disk space, sadly 08:27:49 and i don't want to use the drive from the pi with the other machine because it also houses my private and open cloud storage 08:27:55 '''cloud''' 08:28:07 besides, i'd have to move a shelf to get to it 08:32:55 pixelized[m], why not mount an NFS from the pi and syncing the blockchain through a more powerfull machine? 08:33:08 I think you could even do some shenanigans like ftpfs 08:34:46 ftpfs? file transfer protocol file system? 08:35:03 yes 08:35:15 mount an FTP directory as a filesystem 08:37:07 makes sense 08:38:46 hmmmmm that's actually not a bad idea! 08:38:52 and it's relatively easy to do as wel 08:38:55 * and it's relatively easy to do as well 08:39:03 but wouldn't read/write speed become a worse bottleneck? 08:39:34 probably not, i guess it won't be worse than how fast the blockchain downloads 08:39:46 I'm not 100% sure but isn't NFS only capped by network speed and the pi's disk access speed? 08:39:54 and in any case, faster than what the pi can do on its own 08:45:51 gumman: thank you :) 08:53:59 i'm very pleased about this 08:56:33 NFS does not support mmap IIRC. 08:57:02 But do try, and see if monerod tells you about it :) 09:12:36 .balance 09:12:37 roger_: • Your balance is: 0.0001328 XMR (≈0.04 USD) 09:12:57 clear 09:14:35 monerod hasn't complained at all so far 09:15:00 but i'm actually using sshfs 09:16:46 i guess the network is a pretty serious bottleneck though, as, so far, the speed seems about equal to what it was on the pi 09:24:01 pixelized[m], hmmm, that's odd - can you test read/write speed of sshfs independently of the monero syncing? 09:42:49 Hi community, I need a little help for installation Monero on a PI4 with 8 GB. Installed is a Raspbian arm64 and all dependensies has been install like the tutorial on getmonero.org. but it isnt possible to configure with make or make -j4 ect 09:45:25 the download of the app for armV8 has been done but by try to start ./monerod an error occours .... illegal instruction..... could you give me some advisement or an informtion for a clean install by a tutorial ? 09:45:30 qay-, that may be outdate... try https://gitlab.com/TalusUnheil/moneropi 09:46:14 This means you got a binary for the wrong arch, or one which uses optoinal instructions not present on your CPU. 09:46:27 qay-, or also this is even more updated: https://github.com/monero-ecosystem/PiNode-XMR 09:47:37 You can try running monerod with this env var set: RANDOMX_UMASK=65535. If this works, we can get into more details. 09:47:49 Sorry, MONERO_RANDOMX_UMASK=65535. 09:54:18 Mochi101 >> the version linuxarm7 is not working . I have tried 09:54:42 moneromooo >>> same error >> illegal instruction 09:55:06 You're really sure you're running the right binary, the one you downloaded, right ? 09:58:25 I have tried the version of getmonero.org >>> for armV7 with error ./monerod no such directory . ( I started in the folder with the command) by using the app armV8 from getmonero.org the error is >>> illegal instruction 09:59:18 the dependencies has been downloaded as advised from the tutorial of getmonero.org 10:00:01 In the "no such directory" case, what does "file monerod" output ? 10:03:16 moneromooo >>> little moment please 10:05:25 moneromooo >>> path has been changed to monero-arm-linux-gnueab.... in this folder the command ./monerod has been started 10:05:55 feedback from system >>> ./monerod : No such file or directory 10:07:04 Then find the monerod. ./monerod is not an OS command, it means "run the file called monerod that is in hte current directory". So find where monerod is, and run ./path/monerod when the path is known. Or cd to that path, then run ./monerod again. 10:09:05 ah ... ok ... I will do this 10:12:48 export PATH=*:$PATH 10:13:04 fixed 10:13:05 o_O 10:13:25 :P 10:14:24 Where can I give feature requests? Opening GitHub issues is limited to users that have contributed to the repository in the past.. 10:15:11 (To monerod) 10:15:33 Just mention it here I guess. 10:18:32 Ok.. Here's the first one for monerod: RPC login should support hashed passwords. It's bad practice to store passwords in plain text as `--rpc-login` requires. For instance, Linux stores users' passwords hashed. 10:22:27 Then, for all RPC clients (e.g., monero-wallet-cli, monero-wallet-gui, monero-wallet-rpc): Let the user require verification of the SSL certificates. As far as I understand, currently any SSL certificate is accepted, so there's no protection from MITM attack. If enabled, require the user to list accepted certificates and possibly automatically accept CA-signed certificates. 10:23:04 But I guess that request I can open in those repos 🤔 10:24:41 There's a cert whitelist, though I think the behaviour was changed at some point. But it should still be there. 10:24:49 I'll file the first one for you. 10:26:22 If the whitelist does not work, I can file a bug about it too. 10:30:02 For monerod, I'd like more flexible definition of various RPC endpoints. Now there are two ports (normal and restricted) and it's sometimes confusing which option affects which. For instance, does `--rpc-login` affect both or just one? How can use different logins for them? Personally, I'd like to have three ports: one for localhost that doesn't require any credentials (for other processes on the same machine), one 10:30:02 over SSL requiring credentials (for my various wallet clients) and one without credentials but with RPC payments (for any other users). So, I'd like to see much more flexibility in how RPC is defined: arbitrary amount of RPC ports and each one has its configuration. This is very impractical with command-line options though.. 10:30:02 But at least the very minimum: `--rpc-login` could be set only for the restricted RPC port (e.g., `--rpc-restricted-login` which defaults to `--rpc-login` if not given). 10:33:26 now I started the configuraton by make -j4 again 10:33:31 [ 65%] Built target tx-extra_fuzz_tests 10:33:31 [ 65%] Built target difficulty-tests 10:33:31 [ 65%] Built target ringct 10:33:31 make[2]: Leaving directory '/home/xxxxx/monero/build/Linux/master/release' 10:33:31 make[1]: *** [Makefile:141: all] Error 2 10:33:32 make[1]: Leaving directory '/home/xxxxxx/monero/build/Linux/master/release' 10:33:34 make: *** [Makefile:104: release-all] Error 2 10:40:35 Tha'ts not helpful, the real error is before that. 10:40:44 -j4 will require gobs of RAM fwiw. 10:47:34 moneromooo >>> ok I will check the installation again. Thanks for help 11:31:03 Word of guys running Monero community should be BELIEVED. Why would anyone that stole money and laughed at the losers that took the bait ever have a reason to lie to you? www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6d6okb/what_fluffypony_just_did_is_not_ok/ 11:52:55 * ieatglueinthegul uploaded an image: (23KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/halogen.city/287d02c69a4ee3fdccbf315cd060bcf6990ebf68/itsafraid.jpg > 11:53:15 Based XMR chads putting fiat simps on suicide watch 11:53:19 what is it with the recent fluffypony spam? 11:53:54 How would a 3 year old dead Reddit link prove their point? 11:54:20 moneromooo: Another feature request would be `--rpc-restricted-login`. If not given, it could perhaps default to what's given by `--rpc-login`. However, in that case, I'm not sure how to unset any login requirements with `--rpc-restricted-login` if `rpc-login` is given.. 11:54:39 It's some glowie spreading FUD, just ignore him 11:56:43 gumman, it's not recent. It's ongoing, for months and months now. 12:06:05 on the machine itself, 1 gb takes about 2.7 secs to write 12:06:27 to the sshfs... well i don't know how long it takes, it's been a hot minute and dd is still not finished 12:06:32 ah! 12:06:44 1gb in 67 secs 12:08:07 I assume you're working in LAN, right? what's your switch maximum speed? what about each NIC (I think a pi is 1gbps?), and finally, are you using optimal cables for all? 12:08:57 i'm not using optimal cables for all 12:09:02 the pi has about optimal connectivity 12:09:06 15 Megabytes per second, even with such write speed your computer should produce better results than software computation of AES in the pi 12:09:13 my other machine does not since it rarely needs it for anything 12:09:24 hm... 12:09:31 strange 12:09:37 the results aren't better at all 12:10:16 what makes it even stranger is that synchronizing the blockchain on this machine before went a lot faster 12:10:19 (without the sshfs) 12:10:29 admittedly, you gotta sort of discount the first half 12:10:40 but it still did 50-70% in a couple of hours 12:10:43 but you can't store the entire blockchain on it, correct? 12:10:49 I ran `monerod --log-level=2` for a few hours last night and ran `sync_info` from time-to-time. When I saw `_` at the beginning of the lines with `o`s I looked at the monerod logs, but didn't see anything different. AFAICT every line starts with a timestamp followd by either a `D` or `I` 12:10:50 i can't, yeah 12:10:52 that's why i moved to the pi 12:11:22 a tough one to figure out 12:12:07 the slow write speed might be because of the difference in upload/download speed 12:12:16 there wasn't much uploading before, but with the sshfs there is 12:12:39 I'm thinking about squashfs or some other method for you to store the blockchain in a compressed form transparently to monerod 12:12:44 but yeah if what you say is right about 15mb/s (and i'm inclined to believe that it is) 12:12:49 then it's a tough nut to crack 12:13:02 Great. Paste the log from the start from that last run up until the time you see a '_' at the start of the sync_info line. 12:13:58 I guess yeah, compression is the last resort - I don't know if its worth your time though, you mentioned you're at 80% with a growth rate of about 5% a day? 12:14:13 i wonder 12:14:19 of course this is theoretically possible, but i'm not sure if it's supported by monerod 12:14:23 could be a fun project regardless 12:14:30 would it be possible to move the chain to a separate drive 12:14:35 but keep like the last 10 percent on the old one 12:14:35 solutions like squashfs are transparent to the program 12:14:38 and keep syncing from there? 12:15:01 the program "sees" a regular filesystem, but your disc holds it in compressed form, (un)compression happens on the fly 12:15:05 "the start from that last run" can be grepped by the last "Oxygen" in the log. 12:15:10 it could be a fun project, but given that i don't have much time to actively spend on this sort of thing it would probably turn out to take about as long as just waiting for it to finish on the pi :P 12:15:37 Does squashfs support mmap ? lmdb requires it. 12:15:56 Oh. That's one thing to consider actually, if switching the wallet cache to lmdb... 12:15:59 hahah, yeah, I would try to start from the highest % you can get on the pi and just wait it out at this point 12:16:10 Do dumb USB sticks support mmap... 12:16:28 I suppose it's mostly software on any block device. 12:17:29 it seems like squashfs supports mmap 12:18:11 and it's a fun idea as well, but i don't think it'll be worth it 12:18:22 sshfs was a nice thing to try :) 12:18:29 i guess i'm just going to wait it out 12:18:33 i'm not in a hurry, anyway 12:19:10 it's nice how flexible linux/posix is 12:21:28 moneromooo: so I should upload everything after `Oxygen` in the logfile to pastebin? 12:23:04 gumman: yes, it is. anytime i do this sort of highly unixy thing something deep in my soul lights up 12:24:11 Between the last one before the test, up to the moment you see a _ first in the sync_info line. 12:24:27 got it. 12:24:58 If too large, I guess you can compress and base64. 12:30:05 There's no personally identifying info in monero logs right? just want to make sure before I upload. 12:30:24 There might be your home directory (and thus login name). 12:30:38 Possibly your architecture. Can't think of anything else. 12:35:15 v0.17.2.0 binaries are now available at getmonero.org 12:36:45 bzip2'd logs: https://paste.debian.net/1193197/ 12:39:32 That's binary. Use base64, uuencode, or xxd. 12:48:29 <\\ Hamed //> can i run xmrig in host with cron job? 12:51:13 what? why? 14:07:36 Anyone fancy a beta test of a unusual new Monero web wallet I built with no mainnet support and give some feedback here? 14:07:56 rbrunner, count me 14:08:13 It's called TechWallet is aimed at newcomers wanting to learn to operate wallets, and also people wanting to learn more about Monero's inner workings 14:08:25 It's here: https://monerotech.info/Wallet 14:08:57 Please do not yet make too much noise about it in other places, e.g. Reddit. Testing comes first. Thanks in advance. 14:10:38 rbrunner: is it custodial? 14:11:36 It's a strange middle thing. It manages the wallets on a server of mine through monero-wallet-rpc. But the web wallet is running all server-side, not in your browser. 14:12:19 For testnet wallets you can display the seed and restore elsewhere if you like. 14:12:43 So its custodial then? 14:13:05 Well, if you like. As I write on the homepage: "I can steal all your coins". 14:13:35 But no mainnet, hence does not matter. 14:13:36 A place to learn about monero is nice :) But yea, should be clear that it is custodial. 14:13:45 Right, I meant if it goes live on mainnet. 14:13:51 It won't. 14:14:19 ok I misunderstood, then it does not matter if custodial or not 14:14:51 Yeah, maybe I should make it clear that "no mainnet" is not merely a beta things, but that no mainnet ever. 14:15:44 Countdown to server crash because never under any signicant load so far in 10 ... 9... 8 ... :) 14:21:27 rbrunner, requested some monero and went to the wallet page and let it refresh 14:21:41 after the coins have been confirmed i still see the old unconfirmed transaction 14:22:07 after a refresh I still see that 14:22:28 Release available -> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/mor649/cli_gui_v01720_oxygen_orion_released/ 14:22:47 gumman: If you like, you can PM me the wallet name, so I can have a look 14:26:57 Is there any documentation on zeromq? I saw a commit from mid 2020, but can't find anyone using it 14:28:34 https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/docs/ZMQ.md 14:28:47 https://github.com/vtnerd/motrix is an example that uses it 14:31:04 Thank you so much! That example will come in handy 14:31:31 Any reason why it's not on getmonero.org? Still a WiP? 14:37:17 rbrunner: any way to see if technet or testnet is used? 14:37:25 I forgot which one I chose :D 14:37:56 It's on the wallet page, top left, under "Network" 14:38:34 do you have a technet address I can send funds to? 14:39:23 Just to try? You can also easily create a second wallet and play ping-pong with yourself. 14:39:34 You can send gumman some, they are also testing: 9xVGf9ZwJXP7TyuhLNvqnRPpmv85vs794PJfDaZvrFCoeYQWFu3pr3YZGbBUFBAN9D4qvkByKxebPeyezXYYa1gtC5MuzJ6 14:40:13 ok sent them a piconero :D 14:40:14 Or a wallet of mine:9zem5rGsZbn1A5kSHQWkDr4guMEwYFKcoBS6Q9eocV7qDLpv6EWgtAPhGjtySoA9VUGoMAe7y5Xr9SGD6hxMN2JuNFo2F5S 14:41:54 Did you already click on the name of a transaction to view the details? I am especially proud at that. 14:45:14 names are an interesting idea 14:45:28 Does not completely crazy? 14:45:38 *Does not look 14:46:13 I did not see that before lol 14:46:52 Yeah, if you don't have the burden to handle other people's money you are free to play, also design-wise 14:48:31 If other people wonder what we are talking about: It's beta-testing my new non-mainnet web wallet at: https://monerotech.info/Wallet 14:49:09 As in "no mainnet ever", so we are all free to play until we understand Monero 15:04:34 rbrunner, do you think we can get testnet or stagenet xmr listed on Tradeogre? 15:05:32 Didn't fluffypony do a presentation on something like that at CCC? 15:06:04 Not sure. I just know I wrote a fiction short story about giving testnet coins value ... 15:06:17 oh maybe that was you 15:06:32 Never was at any CCC however 15:06:40 can't place why this is in my memory 15:06:58 Well, now testnet has a nice web wallet, that's a start, isn't it :) 15:06:58 I must've read it. 15:07:17 link? 15:07:21 https://monerotech.info/Wallet 15:07:29 no... to your story 15:07:36 Oh, ok 15:07:39 Give me a sec 15:08:07 https://rbrunner7.github.io/consensus.html 15:08:22 Ah yes! 15:08:27 lol... thanks 15:08:34 This was a good read. 15:08:40 Thanks! 15:13:10 Mochi101: the first step is to start trading it 15:13:46 set up a bot that continually quotes prices and trades on IRC 15:14:18 rbrunner: If I sent real xmr to a techwallet address, what would happen on mainnet, could I use the 25 words from the tchwallet to init a real mainnet wallet? 15:14:20 market making bot 15:15:07 somethingUniqueR, try it 15:16:26 somethingUniqueR: Seeds themselves are of course "valid" on every net, they just encode a certain spend secret after all. 15:16:52 So yes, that way you would be able to "rescue" your mainnet XMR 15:17:55 However, TechWallet only gives you testnet addresses for both its nets, those starting with "9" or "A". You can't possible transfer to mainnet with those 15:18:17 Mochi101: a presentation on what? 15:18:55 Starting to trade technet XMR, I think 15:18:56 Giving testnet/stagenet coins value... was my imagination though 15:19:02 sorry for the ping 15:19:11 rbrunner: Thanks for the info, I need to read more about what going on under the hood of monero in general 15:19:43 You are welcome. And maybe play with my wallet, it's meant for learning. 15:20:38 For me it's almost hypnotic to let send 10 txs automatically in a churn and watch the outputs change in full detail :) 15:21:23 I shall 15:25:13 if there are german-speaker present: we will begin our monthly stammtisch in 30 minutes 15:25:13 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX7hvbeskwc 15:25:13 open to all that want to participate 15:38:29