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netrik182
I'm not versed on tech but why we need yet another coin for this or that
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moneromooo
Depends what the this or that is.
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moneromooo
If it's "for this particular segment of trade", then it's bullshit.
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netrik182
^ yeah, I guess so
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moneromooo
ie, a coin for dentists, a coin for pot, a coin for bananas... (that last one I made up, but you get the idea)
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moneromooo
Sometimes it's necessary. Like you could not have monero privacy on bitcoin, the tech just doens't do enough.
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moneromooo
(or bytecoin, had it not been a massive scam)
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hyc
a coin for laundry machines...
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moneromooo
Interesting mining changes, like PoS, proof of hard disk space, also need a new chain.
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netrik182
Got it
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netrik182
Maybe I was speaking of countless tokens of sort
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netrik182
Not coina per se
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nioc
a coin for nioc
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netrik182
Coins
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nioc
nioccoin
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moneromooo
Nice.
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moneromooo
And you can make an exchange called coinnioc to go with it.
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rupee[m]
wen IEO?
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nioc
had not thought of that mooo
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moneromooo
Is that the origin of the nick or a coincidence ?
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nioc
I am very creative so I just reversed coin
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rupee[m]
oh, you're not the spokes person for the National Iranian Oil Company?
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nioc
no but I do know Iranians
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donkeydonkey[m]
is the extra field on current monero txs encrypted?
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moneromooo
No.
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moneromooo
The short payment id that optionally goes in it is encrypted though.
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moneromooo
But some stuff needs to be unencrypted, like the tx pubkey.
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donkeydonkey[m]
is the short payment id user created or system created?
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moneromooo
Depends how you define your terms I guess.
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moneromooo
Yes ? :)
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donkeydonkey[m]
i guess i mean arbitrary
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donkeydonkey[m]
like could i cram in rando stuff
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moneromooo
You could.
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boogerlad
I believe the limit is 32 bytes?
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moneromooo
8 bytes
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moneromooo
monero-walet-cli has a command to generate a random integrated address or one with a user supplied id.
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moneromooo
Wait. The limit for what ? For extra, I think there's no real limit (beyong max tx size). Short paument id is 8 bytes.
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boogerlad
tx_extra
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boogerlad
Have there been any new discussions recently about removing tx_extra? I saw a discussion on github issues, but seems there was no conclusion
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moneromooo
Earlier today.
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moneromooo
Well, kinda. It was more a discussion about adding user free text.
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moneromooo
First thing would have to be to move the tx pubkey from extra, since that one will be needed.
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moneromooo
It would be nice to keep the merge mining tag too, I kinda use it now :|
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moneromooo
And extra nonce space for pools.
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moneromooo
Short payment ids, if they don't get obsoleted.
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donkeydonkey[m]
is the users receiving address a public key that can be used to encrypt data for the recipient?
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moneromooo
Yes.
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boogerlad
beyond the one time computational cost for incrementing the counter to generate a subaddress, I think it's worth getting rid of payment ids for the ux benefit alone. It was quite confusing to me to see 3 different types of addresses when I first read about it
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wihvgfppn
Look on the bright side. At least you don't need to obsess over signs of life from FUK now.
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tim_
hello!
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tim_
how do i set up a pruned node ?
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tim_
in the commmand line ?
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tim_
hello kico
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apotheon
hmm, tim_ left already
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apotheon
I had an answer for that.
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JaakkoLuttinen[m
If I use `--restricted-rpc`, `--rpc-bind-ip=0.0.0.0` and `--rpc-bind-port=18081`, is the public port `18081` then restricted? How is it different from using `--rpc-restricted-bind-ip=0.0.0.0` and `--rpc-restricted-bind-port=18081` instead? I mean, does `--restricted-rpc` make the "normal" IP+port restricted in a similar way as the restricted IP+port?
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JaakkoLuttinen[m
* If I use `--restricted-rpc`, `--rpc-bind-ip=0.0.0.0` and `--rpc-bind-port=18081`, is the public port `18081` then restricted? How is it different from using `--rpc-restricted-bind-ip=0.0.0.0` and `--rpc-restricted-bind-port=18081` instead? I mean, does `--restricted-rpc` make the "normal" IP+port restricted in a similar way as the restricted IP+port are restricted?
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somethingUniqueR
Good morning I am trying to register with getmonero.org however my IP has been flagged as spam and i am unable to do so.
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dryafloat[m]
<somethingUniqueR "Good morning I am trying to regi"> Try to use a VPN or with tor browser
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bhagwahomie21[m]
How to start with Monero? I wanna learn but can't find any guide or tutorials
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Bill48105
find place to buy some. voila you're started :)
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Bill48105
depending on how much you have you might want to install & run your own wallet
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ErCiccione3
bhagwahomie21: did you take a look at getmonero.org?
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bhagwahomie21[m]
Ok I'll get through it
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bhagwahomie21[m]
Thanks
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alexanarcho[m]
<bhagwahomie21[m] "Ok I'll get through it "> also monero.how is nice
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xrv0[m]
monero.supply for emission
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hmmp
what is this in monero road map: Second-layer solutions for speed and scalability
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hmmp
I thought no second layer needed for monero
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fehho[m]
A vague and general idea.
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fehho[m]
But while no second layer is needed for fees, the block chain is still going to grow regardless, any transaction that can be taken off the main chain reduces the minimum storage requirements for running a node.
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xrv0[m]
Could lightning If it every really does work and scale it ported to monero?
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xrv0[m]
It relies on hash locks which are not existent in monero
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xrv0[m]
* Could lightning If it every really does work and scale be ported to monero?
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moneromooo
Probably not. There was a couple papers describing a second layer protocol for monero though, and IRC one of them needed no consensus changes.
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fibonacci
.balance
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Wallet
fibonacci: • Your balance is: 0 XMR
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Mochi101
.tip fibonacci 1 sadface
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Mochi101: Ooops! Not enough in your balance..
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rupee[m]
.faucet
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rupee[m]: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000266 XMR to rupee[m] [dd289b8d] Wait ≈23 hrs 57 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01235191
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rupee[m]
.soak $2
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Wallet
rupee[m]: Really soak 0.00750748 XMR? y/n (10s)
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rupee[m]
y
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Wallet
rupee[m] soaked 0.0005 XMR (0.00750748 Total) upon 15 users @ 1145 minutes Wallet netrik182 hyc wihvgfppn Bill48105 leonardus anovfymcbjsa nioc ferox_thinkpad donkeydonkey[m] Mochi101 chaper hmmp boogerlad moneromooo @bonuspot (0.00000748 scraps) [3a467f4b]
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leonardus
:D
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Mochi101
thnx
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somethingUniqueR
.balance
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somethingUniqueR: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.
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somethingUniqueR: • Your balance is: 0 XMR
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yeswepump
.balance
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yeswepump: • Your balance is: 0.0000077 XMR (≈0 USD)
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yeswepump
oh oh
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nioc
.ballance
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leonardus
.balance
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leonardus: • Your balance is: 0.001021 XMR (≈0.27 USD)
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somethingUniqueR
.faucet
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Wallet
somethingUniqueR: First number in 69
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Wallet
somethingUniqueR: Oops you took too long.
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somethingUniqueR
.faucet
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Wallet
somethingUniqueR: How many digits is 86869
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somethingUniqueR
5
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Wallet
somethingUniqueR: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000013 XMR to somethingUniqueR [6d4d3ba4] Wait ≈23 hrs 54 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01235809
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somethingUniqueR
.balance
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somethingUniqueR: • Your balance is: 0.0000013 XMR (≈0 USD)
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Mochi101
.faucet
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Wallet
Mochi101: Water freezes at __ C
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Mochi101
0
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Wallet
Mochi101: @bonuspot tipped 0.000005 XMR to Mochi101 [0090acab] Wait ≈23 hrs 55 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01235309
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Mochi101
.ba;ance
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Mochi101
.balance
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Wallet
Mochi101: • Your balance is: 0.00055356 XMR (≈0.15 USD)
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Mochi101
.tip 0.00055356 nioc
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Wallet
Mochi101: User '0.00055356' not found on 'freenode'. Either they don't exist or they don't have an active bot account
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Mochi101
.tip nioc 0.00055356
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Wallet
Mochi101 tipped 0.00055356 XMR (≈$0.15) to nioc [0a625ae4]
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donkeydonkey[m]
nice thanks rupee
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SerHack
.balance
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SerHack: • Your balance is: 0.00101 XMR (≈0.27 USD)
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fibonacci
Thx for sad face mochi
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fibonacci
.balance
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fibonacci: • Your balance is: 0 XMR
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fibonacci
:)
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Inge-
.balance
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Wallet
Inge-: • Your balance is: 0.00513 XMR (≈1.37 USD)
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rupee[m]
.tip finbonacci $0.10 sadfaces
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Wallet
rupee[m]: User 'finbonacci' not found on 'freenode'. Either they don't exist or they don't have an active bot account
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rupee[m]
fibonacci no exist
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lithiumpt
.balance
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Wallet
lithiumpt: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.
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lithiumpt: • Your balance is: 0 XMR
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rupee[m]
.tip lithiumpt $0.10
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rupee[m] tipped 0.00037546 XMR (≈$0.1) to lithiumpt [9b3a93b0]
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apotheon
Monero, at present, seems like it may be the single most useful tool for political change.
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apotheon
Transacting freely, on one's own terms, under current conditions, seems like it would require privacy. I don't know of anything, off the top of my head, that can reasonably promote private transactions in the midst of surveilled transactions as much as Monero.
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hyc
sounds accurate to me
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apotheon
Such transactions, if they are undertaken for goods and services that are themselves quite compliant with a mindset of peace and freedom, should naturally tend to encourage people to find themselves behaving in ways that require them to change their self-justifications to accept a more peaceful and free life ethos overall.
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pixelized[m]
it's just too bad that monero is not appealing to 'normal people' who want 'normal things' out of their payment system
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pixelized[m]
if it were to provide substantial advantages to yer typical money user, then the political change would happen automatically
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apotheon
If you can change the behavior of enough people to require such alterations in self-justifications, you get enough people's opinions changing to actually constitute a change in culture.
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apotheon
. . . and that is much more effective, I believe, than polemics and argumentation for changing culture.
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apotheon
Without a change in culture, the politics one's culture supports will not change.
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apotheon
pixelized[m]: I think the biggest thing Monero most needs to appeal more to "normal people" is more goods and services that appeal to such people that can be easily bought with Monero.
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apotheon
It does already provide huge advantages.
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pixelized[m]
yeah, that's obviously the biggest obstacle to widespread adoption
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pixelized[m]
but for many 'it is private' is just not a concern
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apotheon
. . . and I'm not just talking about "privacy".
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pixelized[m]
it's often the much less important things that get people into things
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apotheon
It provides convenience advantages.
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pixelized[m]
i suppose that depends on where you live
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apotheon
sure
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pixelized[m]
here, it's not any more convenient
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apotheon
If you're in a place where most people don't have smartphones, the obvious advantages of Monero for things like splitting the bill at a restaurant are not as accessible.
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pixelized[m]
it feels more convenient to me because there's no third party in between me and my transactions
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somethingUniqueR
Good morning Noob here, possibly even a normal person. I think NFC is the future or the normals until you can tap to pay with it no crypto currency will pass up the debit/credit cards we have today.
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apotheon
I should clarify that my entire wall of commentary this morning is predicated on an assumption of a context where, among other things, "everyone" having a smartphone is normal.
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moneromooo
No fucking clue ? No future (clash) ?
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pixelized[m]
but in actuality, for the vast majority of use cases, it's no more convenient than regular ol' manipulable transactions
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moneromooo
Near Field communication. That sounds compatible with monero. High level tooling job.
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apotheon
Yeah, very much.
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apotheon
It should be pretty damned easy to add that to a wallet.
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apotheon
(to wallet software, I mean)
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apotheon
It's not exactly my field, though, so I'm mostly guessing.
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pixelized[m]
i recently came up with an interesting concept to get instant widespread usability of monero in the european union
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apotheon
The closest I've gotten to smartphone dev is writing a React-based web application designed to look good on a smartphone.
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somethingUniqueR
apotheon have you looked into flutter yet?
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apotheon
Something that would make people more susceptible to Monero is getting people to realize they can do better than an iPhone for quality of life.
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pixelized[m]
people in the netherlands, germany and swedistan and other 'sitting on piles of gold' countries often use this service called 'ideal'
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apotheon
somethingUniqueR: I looked at it.
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pixelized[m]
it's a payment mechanism where you select which bank you want to use to make your payment, and then it shows you a QR code
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apotheon
QR code payments and payment requests are already a thing in some cryptocurrency wallet software.
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pixelized[m]
you scan the QR code with your phone or a separate device given to you by your bank to verify that you want to make the payment
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pixelized[m]
and then you hit 'ok' - payment made
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pixelized[m]
<apotheon "QR code payments and payment req"> hear me out
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apotheon
I haven't really looked into whether that's the case for any Monero wallet software, because I haven't had any need for QR code payment facilities.
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pixelized[m]
theoretically speaking, one could make a ''''bank'''' called 'monero' which is in this list of possible banks to choose from
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pixelized[m]
then, the QR code displayed actually represents a unique public key created for this transaction
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pixelized[m]
a user scans the QR code, they make the payment to that address
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pixelized[m]
whereby the payment is made to where it's supposed to be made to and verified
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moneromooo
I suspect the big hurdle is being allowed to. This is presumably a large regulatory moat which only actual banks can cross.
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apotheon
Who runs iDEAL, and would these people add such a "bank" to the list?
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lord_fomo[m]
> it feels more convenient to me because there's no third party in between me and my transactions
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Quotes
diisssscoonneeeeeee ♪ ┗(^0^)┓ ♪
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pixelized[m]
then, the '''bank''' exchanges the transferred monero to the fiat currency of the store or individual using ideal and sends that on its way
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lord_fomo[m]
part of the culture change has to be people finally acknowledging that they don't want useless people taking cuts and widening the wealth gap by getting free lunch
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pixelized[m]
<apotheon "Who runs iDEAL, and would these "> i think it's a dutch company, and i'm not sure if they would
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pixelized[m]
but if they would, then that would suddenly open up hundreds of thousands of stores for use with monero (or any cryptocurrency)
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pixelized[m]
it's an interesting, unexplored avenue
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lord_fomo[m]
you can choose to use a money that specifically gives no added benefit to the rich
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apotheon
. . . so someone would have to set up a service that sits in front of iDEAL and somehow convinces people to use that instead, I suppose.
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pixelized[m]
and the fact that ideal happens to use a QR code in this way is what makes it possible
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lord_fomo[m]
something they can't just multiply at will
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lord_fomo[m]
once things get bad enough in the wealth divide this kind of culture shift will simply just have to happen
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apotheon
I'm pretty sure iDEAL won't do it, unless iDEAL is in a very "abnormal" jurisdiction with regard to finance law.
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pixelized[m]
<apotheon ". . . so someone would have to s"> it's more a service that sits 'behind' ideal, to the user, they're still just using ideal and the store still just uses ideal as well
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pixelized[m]
but the qr code links you up to a unique pubkey
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pixelized[m]
<apotheon "I'm pretty sure iDEAL won't do i"> yeah, as am i
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pixelized[m]
but i still think it's an interesting idea
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apotheon
How can you make it a service behind iDEAL if iDEAL won't carry it?
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pixelized[m]
a neat exploitation of existing infrastructure
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apotheon
You'd have to provide your own front end to get people to buy in, if the iDEAL front end won't do it.
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pixelized[m]
<apotheon "How can you make it a service be"> you can't - you'd have to build it and then knock on ideal's door to ask if they'd please integrate it
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apotheon
It looks like iDEAL is connected to the Netherlands.
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pixelized[m]
<apotheon "You'd have to provide your own f"> the whole point of this idea is that it's something ideal could theoretically do - there are plenty of other front ends for making monero payments to stores already
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pixelized[m]
<apotheon "It looks like iDEAL is connected"> yeah i believe it's run by a dutch company
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apotheon
I don't know a lot about the Netherlands specifically, but it's very EU, so I don't see iDEAL being legally "able" to do this.
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apotheon
Step 1: start an iDEAL competitor in a place that isn't that hindered
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apotheon
. . .
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apotheon
PROFIT
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pixelized[m]
not really the same thing, since then stores would have to sign up with that competitor
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apotheon
Anyway, I think it's much more likely for Monero to catch on if something like OpenBazaar exists (supported, again).
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apotheon
pixelized[m]: That's why you need a competitor that can actually compete.
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pixelized[m]
yeah, i guess you'd have to provide all the same functionality as ideal, sign up with all the same banks, get it used in all the same countries
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pixelized[m]
and then also add this sort of crypto system to it
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pixelized[m]
which, well
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pixelized[m]
that's a whole different thing entirely
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apotheon
If we get things like OpenBazaar (back) in place, we get people who are already interested in privacy on board more, then we can see growth in users with an interest in the privacy aspect above the NFC or iDEAL aspect.
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pixelized[m]
yeah, the 'interested in privacy' market is one that's a lot easier to tap into and definitely not depleted yet :P
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apotheon
That interest grows, prompts more people to create services around facilitating Monero use and to offer products available for payment in Monero, and the number of people ready and willing to pay for things in Monero grows. A virtuous cycle begins.
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apotheon
At that point, pressure to participate in the Monero parts of the economy gradually sucks in more people on the margins.
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» moneromooo reads pixelized[m] several times to determine whether this is sarcasm or not...
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» moneromooo fails
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apotheon
I know of many people interested in privacy who aren't using Monero yet.
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apotheon
I *have* Monero, but I am not really "using" it yet, because . . . how?
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pixelized[m]
> * <@freenode_moneromooo:matrix.org> reads pixelized several times to determine whether this is sarcasm or not...
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pixelized[m]
i almost feel pained to tell you that i'm not
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apotheon
I'd need to find someone offering something I want, and accepting Monero as payment.
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apotheon
I am, however, planning to add Monero donations as an option for my nonprofit association.
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u9000
apotheon: have you checked the list of merchants?
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apotheon
(I've already gotten a couple of cryptocurrency donations, but they had to be arranged individually rather than through a drive-by donation option.)
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apotheon
u9000: I looked at it a little bit.
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pixelized[m]
i've gotten a political party in the country where i live to officially look into accepting monero donations but so far they're stuck at just accepting bitcoin
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vikrantsCake[m]
Hey y’all! Cake just crossed 100k installs! (on iOS and Android combined)
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apotheon
Most of what I've been buying of late doesn't seem like it fits into the list so far.
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apotheon
(e.g. Mexican Pepsi, blue hair dye, and a pillow)
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pixelized[m]
still, even any shimmer of some kind of adoption by any entity, be it nigh useless like a political party or epic like a nonprofit, is neat
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Quotes
useless? nothing is as useless as »Useless Ethereum Token« (UET®)
coinmarketcap.com/currencies/useless-ethereum-token
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pixelized[m]
oi comrades, gotta go
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pixelized[m]
was nice chatting
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apotheon
pixelized[m]: Have you mentioned that settlements are a lot faster with Monero?
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u9000
apotheon: § Goods
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apotheon
pixelized[m]: take care
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apotheon
I wonder what political party that could be.
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moneromooo
Pirate party IIRC.
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moneromooo
(unless it's a second one (one can dream))
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raas[m]
apotheon: now you can buy a Frisbee for your dog with monero. Go ahead : make him happy
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charolastra
first i'd have to buy a drog with monero
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charolastra
*dog
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u9000
you can buy 100% organic food </shill>
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apotheon
u9000: I don't see anything in the Goods section that suggests dye, milk, or pillows for me.
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apotheon
raas[m]: I don't have a dog.
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apotheon
moneromooo: Oh, Pirate Party makes sense.
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apotheon
In fact, I wouldn't think that should be a difficult sell, unless there are legal hurdles.
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apotheon
(which may well be the case)
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u9000
apotheron: it's not been added to the list yet
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apotheon
I do like the way pixelized[m] refers to political parties (even one that's relatively "good") as "useless".
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Quotes
useless? nothing is as useless as »Useless Ethereum Token« (UET®)
coinmarketcap.com/currencies/useless-ethereum-token
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apotheon
That's, um, slightly obnoxious about the Ethereum quote.
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Inge-
UET <3
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apotheon
twice within ten minutes
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apotheon
Inge-: UET?
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Inge-
Useless Ethereum Token
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Inge-
it was an actual token
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apotheon
ah
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apotheon
how fun
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apotheon
u9000: What organic food provider do you mean?
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apotheon
It's kinda disappointing that crypto-armory only offers 9mm in HP. I know someone with Monero who discussed with me the possibility of selling him some of my 9mm ball for Monero, but the logistics of it didn't add up.
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u9000
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xrv0[m]
<vikrantsCake[m] "Hey y’all! Cake just crossed 1"> Congrats 🎊
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apotheon
u9000: That looks very far from me.
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apotheon
(about 2K miles)
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u9000
damn
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u9000
i mean you could still buy it, just not get it /s
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apotheon
Would North Of Boston Farm drive more than thirty hours to deliver to my door?
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apotheon
Now . . . *that* would be *service*!
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apotheon
I get milk, eggs, and some other stuff delivered to my door weekly by a local business.
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u9000
lol not yet ;-)
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apotheon
hmm
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u9000
that sounds lovely
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apotheon
I wonder if it's even possible to get them to accept Monero. . . .
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apotheon
I would need to know more about the process to be sure I could offer a convincing argument and help them do it.
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u9000
i was able to convince my family by telling them we should do it and then two days later someone asked whether we did it
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u9000
which was lucky
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apotheon
Oh?
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u9000
yeah
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apotheon
Does your family equate to the operators of North Of Boston Farm?
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u9000
yeah
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apotheon
That's very cool.
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u9000
yeah i like it
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apotheon
If I knew anyone who lived in the area, I would tell them about it and see if I could get some business with Monero going your way.
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u9000
thanks lol
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apotheon
. . . but I don't think I know anyone who doesn't know better than to move to Mordorchusetts.
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u9000
what's wrong with mass?
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apotheon
Moving there would represent a significant loss of freedom for almost everyone I know. The place actually exports murderers.
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apotheon
I just am not thrilled with it politically. It's very difficult to find a less-free place in the US.
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u9000
true
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apotheon
I suppose several places are arguably worse, but also arguably better in some respects, too (e.g. Illinois and California).
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hyc
at one point Arnhem, NL was known as a Bitcoin village
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u9000
you just gotta take privacy & security to an extreme degree and then use monero and etc
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kinghat[m]
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hyc
you should be able to get some other small village like tht to adopt XMR as everyday currency
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hyc
and in that case, nobody needs to even think about privacy or fungibility. they just use it. like cash.
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apotheon
To some extent, taking extra precautions to ensure safer law violation is an imposition of less freedom than just living somewhere that it's equally safe to do the same things legally.
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apotheon
hyc: Can you turn it into a Monero village?
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u9000
oh definitely
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hyc
me? I don't live there
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apotheon
kinghat[m]: Holy fuck. Does this mean Oracle can't sue everyone who copies a fucking API a little bit?
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hyc
the google oracle decision is lame
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hyc
it's a "win"for google in that they're not in violation of oracle's copyrights
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apotheon
hyc: Do you know of a place to find some kind of description about how, in practical terms, that village conversion happened?
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hyc
but the SCOTUS wimped out and ignored the question of whether the API was copyrightable in th first place
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apotheon
SCOTUS likes to avoid answering questions when it can just settle something on precedent.
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hyc
this doesn't set a precedent. the next company can still come along and file a lawsuit about API copyrights, ad nauseum
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moneromooo
hyc: you mean you only it have naming powers near where you live ? Lame...
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apotheon
hyc: That's kinda my point. SCOTUS prefers to settle things on precedent, rather than set it, generally.
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apotheon
moneromooo: What did that sentence mean?
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moneromooo
The same as it'd mean without the stray "it" in it.
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kinghat[m]
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apotheon
moneromooo: thanks for clarifying
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somethingUniqueR
.balance
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Wallet
somethingUniqueR: • Your balance is: 0.0000013 XMR (≈0 USD)
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apotheon
Okay, so . . . that tweet and hyc seem to disagree a little bit.
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apotheon
We lost the farmer.
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hyc
ok, that's good news. that's not what I read in other commentary
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apotheon
Yeah, I'm a little encouraged again.
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apotheon
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apotheon
not the first tweet, but the stuff in the discussion following
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apotheon
Read the particular thread that comes to this point:
twitter.com/iang_fc/status/1379042713161596932
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somethingUniqueS
.balance
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Wallet
somethingUniqueS: • Your balance is: 0.0000013 XMR (≈0 USD)
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apotheon
um
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apotheon
I don't think it has changed.
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moneromooo
Staking is broken in monero :(
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Mochi101
Wen proper staking?
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hyc
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hyc
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hyc
so SCOTUS avoids the question of whether APIs are copyrightable, and says even if they are, independently reimplementing them is fair use
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hyc
this to me is not the great victory everyone else is claiming it is.
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hyc
A victory would have been SCOTUS ruling that APIs are not copyrightable
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hyc
because the laws re: Fair Use are explicitly context-specific
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moneromooo
It means... you can implement strcmp but not reuse string.h ?
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moneromooo
(or rather, supply an alternative to libc.so, but not an alternative to string.h etc)
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hyc
SCOTUS has left it open for any future litigants to sue again over some other API, burdening some future court with deciding whether that particular instance is also Fair use or not
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xmrhaelan[m]
If a mobile wallet is pointed at a remote node with RPC-pay enabled, but the wallet has no mining functionality in its code, would the connection fail?
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hyc
because Fair Use is not a set of hard anf fast rules. it is always situational.
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moneromooo
Actually, no. You cab spply an alternative to string.h, just not the original string.h.
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Mochi101
because that's what SCOTUS does as of late... when was the last time they really made a 'ruling' on anything without leaving it entirely open?
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moneromooo
No. It would just get errors returned by the daemon.
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hyc
well - whether you supply an alternatie or not is immaterial, since it must contain the same function names, to be ussable
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moneromooo
Yes, but you can't copyright a function name. Copyright is on arrangements of... things.
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xmrhaelan[m]
Moo would those errors make it so the user cannot find their balance or make transactions?
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moneromooo
If by find their balance" you mean "get new txes to see if we got new monero", then yes.
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hyc
you can copyright collections of things too. "Compilation copyrights" are pretty common for anthologies etc
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xmrhaelan[m]
Ok thanks. So basically wallets would need to support mining or the node would need to have RPC-pay turned off...?
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moneromooo
Yes.
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moneromooo
Otherwise there's be no point to it, would there.
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hyc
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hyc
maybe the federal circuit court will do the right thing here?
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hyc
/s
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pixelized[m]
<moneromooo "(unless it's a second one (one c"> it's a different one - not pirate party
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moneromooo
Oohh, nice :D
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apotheon
17:16 < Mochi101> because that's what SCOTUS does as of late... when was the last time they really made a 'ruling' on anything without leaving it entirely open?
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apotheon
The answer to that depends. Do you consider "collecitve" versus "individual" rights in RKBA/2A to be "anything" in that sense?
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apotheon
If so, there was a firm ruling on 2A describing an individual right.
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Mochi101
Was there?
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apotheon
Even the ACLU agreed that was the ruling, and the ACLU bends over backwards to find excuses to claim SCOTUS ruled against an individual right, as it turned Miller into the opposite of what it said to claim it's not an individual right and that it justified the restriction of military purpose firearms.
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apotheon
DC v Heller resulted in a ruling that 2A describes an individual right, but that reasonable restrictions can still be applied to firearms legality.
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apotheon
The individual right part was clearly there.
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apotheon
. . . unless my memory of it has completely deteriorated, it was firm on that, and a concurring opinion even went further.
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apotheon
ugh
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apotheon
I hope I didn't get the majority opinion and concurring opinion backward.
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apotheon
Mochi101: Now your question is making me second guess whether it was just the concurring opinion that firmly came down on the side of an individual right.
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apotheon
I do know that Miller found for an individual right to keep and bear arms in common use by the military, and that the ACLU claims the opposite because either ACLU lawyers can't reaad or assume nobody else can read.
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apotheon
It's like they were blind to the statements made in the majority opinion other than the part that says it's okay to restrict some firearms (including a sawed-off shotgun).
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apotheon
Mochi101: In general, though, you're right -- SCOTUS avoids the fuck out of firm decisions on blanket matters.
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apotheon
it's all very weaselish
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Mochi101
;)
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apotheon
US v Miller is just a baffling case of a firm *and famous* precedent being blatantly ignored for decades.
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as2333
the so called 'branches' of the govt fully cooperate to maximize their power. Basic political philosophy.
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JaakkoLuttinen[m
I'm syncing the blockchain from scratch. Why does the syncing get slower and slower the further the blockhain? I mean, the last 1% of the blockchain takes about 60% of the time. Are the more recent blocks somehow much more difficult to process so it takes just much more CPU time for each block? Why is that?
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Mochi101
JaakkoLuttinen[m, most transactions
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rupee[m]
there aren't checkpoints past a certain point so it has to verify more stuff. or something like that
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selsta
JaakkoLuttinen[m: every release contains recent checkpoints to skip some part of the verification
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selsta
and the last release is a couple month old so the daemon has to do a lot of verification in the last %
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donkeydonkey[m]
<apotheon "The closest I've gotten to smart"> react native is really easy if you know react
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apotheon
donkeydonkey[m]: so I hear
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donkeydonkey[m]
there are some frameworks like UI Kitten that make it cookie cutter easy
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vsoyexlng
What kind of person steals from own community? np.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6d6okb/_/ Your own leaders are laughing at how stupid you are for falling for thier 'Magical Crypto Friendship'
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leonardus
so that is the same guy spamming reddit, or reddit spam and irc spam are two different people?
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sech1
that same guy has been spamming monero subreddits a lot in the past which alienated the community against him even more. It's 99% that it's him spamming other subreddits now.
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rupee[m]
same
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rupee[m]
and github and irc
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apotheon
How does this person have any free time or income?
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leonardus
He has been spamming a sub I mod
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apotheon
s/person/"person"/
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apotheon
don't wanna assume unnecessarily
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apotheon
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apotheon
fun times
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apotheon
Let's make blockchains do this now.
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PapuaHardyNet
how does cakewallet make money
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leonardus
donations and personal money of the devs
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apotheon
You give your money to a cake, but there is no cake.
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apotheon
oh, wait
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PapuaHardyNet
so they have no fees on top of changenow? strange
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leonardus
not all software is built to make a profit
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PapuaHardyNet
remind me that once cakewallet is on f-droid
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hyc
I think he's been living off his ryo devfund for a while
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moneromooo
If so, it's pretty ironic complaining about pony for a dumb joke when he's being way more scammy. People being people I guess. Long career in politics etc.
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moneromooo
And people cared not and continued coding
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moneromooo
And, let me say, CSS is a fucking pain in the arse.
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moneromooo
And it will be vanquished, as other stupid things were before.
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moneromooo
Soon, I will watch CSS in my rear mirror.
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moneromooo
Motionless on the ground, with tyre marks on it.
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sech1
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moneromooo
I'm sure it's great if you know it. I just don't :D
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moneromooo
Asumingly, my problem is one of clipping :|
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moneromooo
I actually want that exact overflow behaviour :D
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moneromooo
(hover hepl text thing)
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moneromooo
Anyway.
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PapuaHardyNet
moneromooo: who is CSS
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PapuaHardyNet
is that the spammer or someone else
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moneromooo
It spams 99.99% of web sites.
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PapuaHardyNet
oh
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PapuaHardyNet
facedesk
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apotheon
moneromooo: I know CSS okay, but it's still kinda evil.
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PapuaHardyNet
no I meant the guy who complained about pony
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apotheon
It could be much better, but it's not.
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apotheon
like life
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apotheon
and society
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moneromooo
Oh unrelated. Some dishonest cunt like the internet has plenty of.
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PapuaHardyNet
we should have a monthly newsletter with updates about the monero community drama
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moneromooo
I guess cryptocurrency even has more of them per head than the internet. Shrug.
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donkeydonkey[m]
<moneromooo "It spams 99.99% of web sites."> lols
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apotheon
PapuaHardyNet: I nominate you to curate it.
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donkeydonkey[m]
overflow:visible
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moneromooo
HAHAHAHA. You mean the first thing you find when you ask ddg ?
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apotheon
overflow:toilet
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PapuaHardyNet
as a monero noob, I respectfully defer to someone else's better judgement
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moneromooo
If only.
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donkeydonkey[m]
haha
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PapuaHardyNet
(on the other hand, it may also be a way to learn about the community).
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donkeydonkey[m]
moneromooo: you have a specific problem you are solving. i know css decently
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moneromooo
Tooltips. But I found a way, thanks. Doing it manually. CSS seems to be missing a "undo last".
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moneromooo
(and "unset" is not that either, second thing you find when asking ddg)
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donkeydonkey[m]
shoots yeah it is
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moneromooo
(though maybe I put it in the wrong place, who knows)
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donkeydonkey[m]
classic. where does the rule go.
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donkeydonkey[m]
its cascading
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yanmaani
how stable/mature is the UI for multisig in monero?
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yanmaani
is it possible to send transactions without doing 312382 round-trips?
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moneromooo
If by UI you mean the GUI, there's no multisig there yet AFAIK.
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moneromooo
There's no round trip, pedantically. Just N data transfers, with N being the number of signers minus 1.
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moneromooo
But the data never comes back to anyone.
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moneromooo
So 2/2 -> 1 data transfer.
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moneromooo
2/3 -> 1 also.
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moneromooo
Stable... the format might change, but the data's short lived.
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moneromooo
OK, big fuck you to CSS, I win again :D
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donkeydonkey[m]
good one!
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leonardus
could the ring cryptography technology that monero uses somehow be adapted to the Tor network, for private browsing without having to send the traffic through multiple nodes?
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leonardus
like having a ring sign the request, sending that encrypted request to just one node, which sends the request to the final server?
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charolastra
leonardus: the content is encrypted but your middle node would know source and target of the communication
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apotheon
moneromooo: congrats on your victory
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apotheon
leonardus: I don't think that'd work. The reason Tor sends it through multiple nodes is so no single node can track the path. If there's only a single node, it can track the path.
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endor00[m]
<moneromooo "If by UI you mean the GUI, ther"> Someone posted a preview of their (working) gui multisig implementation on reddit like a month ago - did that ever become a PR or something?
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selsta
it got PRed, but getting that review will be a lot of work
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selsta
reviewed*
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» NickvanSaberhagn stands on his head and recites the CryptoNote whitepaper from memory
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louipc
ouch
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apotheon
nicopok: That's impressive.
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apotheon
oh, not nicopok
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apotheon
damned tab completion
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apotheon
NickvanSaberhagn: That's impressive.
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apotheon
I remember when tab completion usually did what I expected. I wonder what changed.
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nioc
bye
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lord_fomo[m]
disroot for email
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lord_fomo[m]
yay or nay
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lord_fomo[m]
<apotheon "I remember when tab completion u"> you gotta get into fuzzy
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apotheon
Why?