00:18:48 I'm not versed on tech but why we need yet another coin for this or that 00:19:23 Depends what the this or that is. 00:19:42 If it's "for this particular segment of trade", then it's bullshit. 00:20:07 ^ yeah, I guess so 00:20:28 ie, a coin for dentists, a coin for pot, a coin for bananas... (that last one I made up, but you get the idea) 00:21:14 Sometimes it's necessary. Like you could not have monero privacy on bitcoin, the tech just doens't do enough. 00:21:25 (or bytecoin, had it not been a massive scam) 00:22:18 a coin for laundry machines... 00:22:20 Interesting mining changes, like PoS, proof of hard disk space, also need a new chain. 00:23:17 Got it 00:23:46 Maybe I was speaking of countless tokens of sort 00:23:59 Not coina per se 00:24:02 a coin for nioc 00:24:03 Coins 00:24:07 nioccoin 00:24:14 Nice. 00:24:30 And you can make an exchange called coinnioc to go with it. 00:25:29 wen IEO? 00:25:38 had not thought of that mooo 00:26:11 Is that the origin of the nick or a coincidence ? 00:26:32 I am very creative so I just reversed coin 00:27:53 oh, you're not the spokes person for the National Iranian Oil Company? 00:28:32 no but I do know Iranians 01:03:57 is the extra field on current monero txs encrypted? 01:04:08 No. 01:04:29 The short payment id that optionally goes in it is encrypted though. 01:04:49 But some stuff needs to be unencrypted, like the tx pubkey. 01:04:51 is the short payment id user created or system created? 01:05:23 Depends how you define your terms I guess. 01:05:26 Yes ? :) 01:06:13 i guess i mean arbitrary 01:06:19 like could i cram in rando stuff 01:06:28 You could. 01:06:41 I believe the limit is 32 bytes? 01:06:46 8 bytes 01:07:17 monero-walet-cli has a command to generate a random integrated address or one with a user supplied id. 01:07:55 Wait. The limit for what ? For extra, I think there's no real limit (beyong max tx size). Short paument id is 8 bytes. 01:08:28 tx_extra 01:09:35 Have there been any new discussions recently about removing tx_extra? I saw a discussion on github issues, but seems there was no conclusion 01:09:59 Earlier today. 01:10:26 Well, kinda. It was more a discussion about adding user free text. 01:10:56 First thing would have to be to move the tx pubkey from extra, since that one will be needed. 01:11:39 It would be nice to keep the merge mining tag too, I kinda use it now :| 01:11:49 And extra nonce space for pools. 01:12:05 Short payment ids, if they don't get obsoleted. 01:13:08 is the users receiving address a public key that can be used to encrypt data for the recipient? 01:13:58 Yes. 01:14:23 beyond the one time computational cost for incrementing the counter to generate a subaddress, I think it's worth getting rid of payment ids for the ux benefit alone. It was quite confusing to me to see 3 different types of addresses when I first read about it 04:03:28 Look on the bright side. At least you don't need to obsess over signs of life from FUK now. 04:07:18 hello! 04:13:05 how do i set up a pruned node ? 04:17:27 in the commmand line ? 04:24:49 hello kico 04:36:51 hmm, tim_ left already 04:36:58 I had an answer for that. 05:13:53 If I use `--restricted-rpc`, `--rpc-bind-ip=0.0.0.0` and `--rpc-bind-port=18081`, is the public port `18081` then restricted? How is it different from using `--rpc-restricted-bind-ip=0.0.0.0` and `--rpc-restricted-bind-port=18081` instead? I mean, does `--restricted-rpc` make the "normal" IP+port restricted in a similar way as the restricted IP+port? 05:14:27 * If I use `--restricted-rpc`, `--rpc-bind-ip=0.0.0.0` and `--rpc-bind-port=18081`, is the public port `18081` then restricted? How is it different from using `--rpc-restricted-bind-ip=0.0.0.0` and `--rpc-restricted-bind-port=18081` instead? I mean, does `--restricted-rpc` make the "normal" IP+port restricted in a similar way as the restricted IP+port are restricted? 05:25:49 Good morning I am trying to register with getmonero.org however my IP has been flagged as spam and i am unable to do so. 05:31:14 Try to use a VPN or with tor browser 05:35:07 How to start with Monero? I wanna learn but can't find any guide or tutorials 05:37:42 find place to buy some. voila you're started :) 05:38:26 depending on how much you have you might want to install & run your own wallet 07:26:16 bhagwahomie21: did you take a look at getmonero.org? 07:26:41 Ok I'll get through it 07:26:44 Thanks 07:38:44 also monero.how is nice 07:59:00 monero.supply for emission 08:07:05 what is this in monero road map: Second-layer solutions for speed and scalability 08:07:37 I thought no second layer needed for monero 08:22:31 A vague and general idea. 08:23:48 But while no second layer is needed for fees, the block chain is still going to grow regardless, any transaction that can be taken off the main chain reduces the minimum storage requirements for running a node. 09:08:35 Could lightning If it every really does work and scale it ported to monero? 09:09:23 It relies on hash locks which are not existent in monero 09:09:57 * Could lightning If it every really does work and scale be ported to monero? 09:40:01 Probably not. There was a couple papers describing a second layer protocol for monero though, and IRC one of them needed no consensus changes. 14:14:38 .balance 14:14:39 fibonacci: • Your balance is: 0 XMR 14:30:12 .tip fibonacci 1 sadface 14:30:13 Mochi101: Ooops! Not enough in your balance.. 14:32:40 .faucet 14:32:40 rupee[m]: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000266 XMR to rupee[m] [dd289b8d] Wait ≈23 hrs 57 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01235191 14:32:51 .soak $2 14:32:52 rupee[m]: Really soak 0.00750748 XMR? y/n (10s) 14:32:58 y 14:32:58 rupee[m] soaked 0.0005 XMR (0.00750748 Total) upon 15 users @ 1145 minutes Wallet netrik182 hyc wihvgfppn Bill48105 leonardus anovfymcbjsa nioc ferox_thinkpad donkeydonkey[m] Mochi101 chaper hmmp boogerlad moneromooo @bonuspot (0.00000748 scraps) [3a467f4b] 14:33:04 :D 14:33:33 thnx 14:33:50 .balance 14:33:50 somethingUniqueR: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command. 14:33:50 somethingUniqueR: • Your balance is: 0 XMR 14:33:54 .balance 14:33:55 yeswepump: • Your balance is: 0.0000077 XMR (≈0 USD) 14:34:00 oh oh 14:34:07 .ballance 14:34:21 .balance 14:34:21 leonardus: • Your balance is: 0.001021 XMR (≈0.27 USD) 14:37:43 .faucet 14:37:46 somethingUniqueR: First number in 69 14:37:57 somethingUniqueR: Oops you took too long. 14:38:17 .faucet 14:38:18 somethingUniqueR: How many digits is 86869 14:38:22 5 14:38:22 somethingUniqueR: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000013 XMR to somethingUniqueR [6d4d3ba4] Wait ≈23 hrs 54 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01235809 14:38:38 .balance 14:38:38 somethingUniqueR: • Your balance is: 0.0000013 XMR (≈0 USD) 14:41:36 .faucet 14:41:38 Mochi101: Water freezes at __ C 14:41:41 0 14:41:42 Mochi101: @bonuspot tipped 0.000005 XMR to Mochi101 [0090acab] Wait ≈23 hrs 55 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01235309 14:41:52 .ba;ance 14:41:58 .balance 14:41:58 Mochi101: • Your balance is: 0.00055356 XMR (≈0.15 USD) 14:42:11 .tip 0.00055356 nioc 14:42:11 Mochi101: User '0.00055356' not found on 'freenode'. Either they don't exist or they don't have an active bot account 14:42:20 .tip nioc 0.00055356 14:42:20 Mochi101 tipped 0.00055356 XMR (≈$0.15) to nioc [0a625ae4] 14:43:50 nice thanks rupee 14:55:22 .balance 14:55:22 SerHack: • Your balance is: 0.00101 XMR (≈0.27 USD) 14:56:03 Thx for sad face mochi 14:56:09 .balance 14:56:10 fibonacci: • Your balance is: 0 XMR 14:56:21 :) 14:57:07 .balance 14:57:08 Inge-: • Your balance is: 0.00513 XMR (≈1.37 USD) 14:57:30 .tip finbonacci $0.10 sadfaces 14:57:31 rupee[m]: User 'finbonacci' not found on 'freenode'. Either they don't exist or they don't have an active bot account 14:58:09 fibonacci no exist 14:58:38 .balance 14:58:38 lithiumpt: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command. 14:58:39 lithiumpt: • Your balance is: 0 XMR 15:02:02 .tip lithiumpt $0.10 15:02:03 rupee[m] tipped 0.00037546 XMR (≈$0.1) to lithiumpt [9b3a93b0] 15:17:53 Monero, at present, seems like it may be the single most useful tool for political change. 15:18:57 Transacting freely, on one's own terms, under current conditions, seems like it would require privacy. I don't know of anything, off the top of my head, that can reasonably promote private transactions in the midst of surveilled transactions as much as Monero. 15:19:58 sounds accurate to me 15:20:37 Such transactions, if they are undertaken for goods and services that are themselves quite compliant with a mindset of peace and freedom, should naturally tend to encourage people to find themselves behaving in ways that require them to change their self-justifications to accept a more peaceful and free life ethos overall. 15:20:46 it's just too bad that monero is not appealing to 'normal people' who want 'normal things' out of their payment system 15:21:13 if it were to provide substantial advantages to yer typical money user, then the political change would happen automatically 15:21:20 If you can change the behavior of enough people to require such alterations in self-justifications, you get enough people's opinions changing to actually constitute a change in culture. 15:21:35 . . . and that is much more effective, I believe, than polemics and argumentation for changing culture. 15:21:47 Without a change in culture, the politics one's culture supports will not change. 15:22:32 pixelized[m]: I think the biggest thing Monero most needs to appeal more to "normal people" is more goods and services that appeal to such people that can be easily bought with Monero. 15:22:51 It does already provide huge advantages. 15:23:00 yeah, that's obviously the biggest obstacle to widespread adoption 15:23:07 but for many 'it is private' is just not a concern 15:23:16 . . . and I'm not just talking about "privacy". 15:23:22 it's often the much less important things that get people into things 15:23:29 It provides convenience advantages. 15:23:49 i suppose that depends on where you live 15:24:07 sure 15:24:22 here, it's not any more convenient 15:24:44 If you're in a place where most people don't have smartphones, the obvious advantages of Monero for things like splitting the bill at a restaurant are not as accessible. 15:24:45 it feels more convenient to me because there's no third party in between me and my transactions 15:25:24 Good morning Noob here, possibly even a normal person. I think NFC is the future or the normals until you can tap to pay with it no crypto currency will pass up the debit/credit cards we have today. 15:25:51 I should clarify that my entire wall of commentary this morning is predicated on an assumption of a context where, among other things, "everyone" having a smartphone is normal. 15:25:56 No fucking clue ? No future (clash) ? 15:26:21 but in actuality, for the vast majority of use cases, it's no more convenient than regular ol' manipulable transactions 15:27:36 Near Field communication. That sounds compatible with monero. High level tooling job. 15:27:47 Yeah, very much. 15:27:56 It should be pretty damned easy to add that to a wallet. 15:28:04 (to wallet software, I mean) 15:28:14 It's not exactly my field, though, so I'm mostly guessing. 15:29:17 i recently came up with an interesting concept to get instant widespread usability of monero in the european union 15:29:23 The closest I've gotten to smartphone dev is writing a React-based web application designed to look good on a smartphone. 15:29:55 apotheon have you looked into flutter yet? 15:30:03 Something that would make people more susceptible to Monero is getting people to realize they can do better than an iPhone for quality of life. 15:30:11 people in the netherlands, germany and swedistan and other 'sitting on piles of gold' countries often use this service called 'ideal' 15:30:25 somethingUniqueR: I looked at it. 15:30:37 it's a payment mechanism where you select which bank you want to use to make your payment, and then it shows you a QR code 15:31:05 QR code payments and payment requests are already a thing in some cryptocurrency wallet software. 15:31:14 you scan the QR code with your phone or a separate device given to you by your bank to verify that you want to make the payment 15:31:20 and then you hit 'ok' - payment made 15:31:26 hear me out 15:31:36 I haven't really looked into whether that's the case for any Monero wallet software, because I haven't had any need for QR code payment facilities. 15:31:48 theoretically speaking, one could make a ''''bank'''' called 'monero' which is in this list of possible banks to choose from 15:32:04 then, the QR code displayed actually represents a unique public key created for this transaction 15:32:15 a user scans the QR code, they make the payment to that address 15:32:49 whereby the payment is made to where it's supposed to be made to and verified 15:32:53 I suspect the big hurdle is being allowed to. This is presumably a large regulatory moat which only actual banks can cross. 15:32:56 Who runs iDEAL, and would these people add such a "bank" to the list? 15:33:06 > it feels more convenient to me because there's no third party in between me and my transactions 15:33:07 diisssscoonneeeeeee ♪ ┗(＾0＾)┓ ♪ 15:33:14 then, the '''bank''' exchanges the transferred monero to the fiat currency of the store or individual using ideal and sends that on its way 15:33:38 part of the culture change has to be people finally acknowledging that they don't want useless people taking cuts and widening the wealth gap by getting free lunch 15:33:46 i think it's a dutch company, and i'm not sure if they would 15:34:06 but if they would, then that would suddenly open up hundreds of thousands of stores for use with monero (or any cryptocurrency) 15:34:11 it's an interesting, unexplored avenue 15:34:12 you can choose to use a money that specifically gives no added benefit to the rich 15:34:15 . . . so someone would have to set up a service that sits in front of iDEAL and somehow convinces people to use that instead, I suppose. 15:34:21 and the fact that ideal happens to use a QR code in this way is what makes it possible 15:34:28 something they can't just multiply at will 15:34:47 once things get bad enough in the wealth divide this kind of culture shift will simply just have to happen 15:34:47 I'm pretty sure iDEAL won't do it, unless iDEAL is in a very "abnormal" jurisdiction with regard to finance law. 15:35:02 it's more a service that sits 'behind' ideal, to the user, they're still just using ideal and the store still just uses ideal as well 15:35:11 but the qr code links you up to a unique pubkey 15:35:21 yeah, as am i 15:35:29 but i still think it's an interesting idea 15:35:35 How can you make it a service behind iDEAL if iDEAL won't carry it? 15:35:43 a neat exploitation of existing infrastructure 15:35:49 You'd have to provide your own front end to get people to buy in, if the iDEAL front end won't do it. 15:36:06 you can't - you'd have to build it and then knock on ideal's door to ask if they'd please integrate it 15:36:44 It looks like iDEAL is connected to the Netherlands. 15:36:49 the whole point of this idea is that it's something ideal could theoretically do - there are plenty of other front ends for making monero payments to stores already 15:37:14 yeah i believe it's run by a dutch company 15:37:17 I don't know a lot about the Netherlands specifically, but it's very EU, so I don't see iDEAL being legally "able" to do this. 15:37:45 Step 1: start an iDEAL competitor in a place that isn't that hindered 15:37:57 . . . 15:37:59 PROFIT 15:38:18 not really the same thing, since then stores would have to sign up with that competitor 15:38:35 Anyway, I think it's much more likely for Monero to catch on if something like OpenBazaar exists (supported, again). 15:38:42 pixelized[m]: That's why you need a competitor that can actually compete. 15:39:09 yeah, i guess you'd have to provide all the same functionality as ideal, sign up with all the same banks, get it used in all the same countries 15:39:18 and then also add this sort of crypto system to it 15:39:29 which, well 15:39:36 that's a whole different thing entirely 15:40:23 If we get things like OpenBazaar (back) in place, we get people who are already interested in privacy on board more, then we can see growth in users with an interest in the privacy aspect above the NFC or iDEAL aspect. 15:41:13 yeah, the 'interested in privacy' market is one that's a lot easier to tap into and definitely not depleted yet :P 15:41:15 That interest grows, prompts more people to create services around facilitating Monero use and to offer products available for payment in Monero, and the number of people ready and willing to pay for things in Monero grows. A virtuous cycle begins. 15:41:35 At that point, pressure to participate in the Monero parts of the economy gradually sucks in more people on the margins. 15:41:45 * moneromooo reads pixelized[m] several times to determine whether this is sarcasm or not... 15:42:05 * moneromooo fails 15:42:20 I know of many people interested in privacy who aren't using Monero yet. 15:42:39 I *have* Monero, but I am not really "using" it yet, because . . . how? 15:42:43 > * <@freenode_moneromooo:matrix.org> reads pixelized several times to determine whether this is sarcasm or not... 15:42:43 i almost feel pained to tell you that i'm not 15:42:52 I'd need to find someone offering something I want, and accepting Monero as payment. 15:43:10 I am, however, planning to add Monero donations as an option for my nonprofit association. 15:43:38 apotheon: have you checked the list of merchants? 15:43:47 (I've already gotten a couple of cryptocurrency donations, but they had to be arranged individually rather than through a drive-by donation option.) 15:44:10 u9000: I looked at it a little bit. 15:44:19 i've gotten a political party in the country where i live to officially look into accepting monero donations but so far they're stuck at just accepting bitcoin 15:44:22 Hey y’all! Cake just crossed 100k installs! (on iOS and Android combined) 15:44:30 Most of what I've been buying of late doesn't seem like it fits into the list so far. 15:44:50 (e.g. Mexican Pepsi, blue hair dye, and a pillow) 15:44:56 still, even any shimmer of some kind of adoption by any entity, be it nigh useless like a political party or epic like a nonprofit, is neat 15:44:56 useless? nothing is as useless as »Useless Ethereum Token« (UET®) https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/useless-ethereum-token/ 15:45:20 oi comrades, gotta go 15:45:24 was nice chatting 15:45:26 pixelized[m]: Have you mentioned that settlements are a lot faster with Monero? 15:45:28 apotheon: § Goods 15:45:30 pixelized[m]: take care 15:45:40 I wonder what political party that could be. 15:45:56 Pirate party IIRC. 15:46:29 (unless it's a second one (one can dream)) 15:46:42 apotheon: now you can buy a Frisbee for your dog with monero. Go ahead : make him happy 15:48:15 first i'd have to buy a drog with monero 15:48:18 *dog 15:48:45 you can buy 100% organic food 15:49:05 u9000: I don't see anything in the Goods section that suggests dye, milk, or pillows for me. 15:49:35 raas[m]: I don't have a dog. 15:49:45 moneromooo: Oh, Pirate Party makes sense. 15:49:59 In fact, I wouldn't think that should be a difficult sell, unless there are legal hurdles. 15:50:08 (which may well be the case) 15:50:34 apotheron: it's not been added to the list yet 15:50:46 I do like the way pixelized[m] refers to political parties (even one that's relatively "good") as "useless". 15:50:46 useless? nothing is as useless as »Useless Ethereum Token« (UET®) https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/useless-ethereum-token/ 15:51:29 That's, um, slightly obnoxious about the Ethereum quote. 15:51:33 UET <3 15:51:51 twice within ten minutes 15:51:58 Inge-: UET? 15:52:04 Useless Ethereum Token 15:52:07 it was an actual token 15:52:07 ah 15:52:11 how fun 15:52:24 u9000: What organic food provider do you mean? 15:53:37 It's kinda disappointing that crypto-armory only offers 9mm in HP. I know someone with Monero who discussed with me the possibility of selling him some of my 9mm ball for Monero, but the logistics of it didn't add up. 15:53:39 apotheon: https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/issues/1545 15:53:59 Congrats 🎊 15:54:13 u9000: That looks very far from me. 15:54:40 (about 2K miles) 15:54:43 damn 15:55:07 i mean you could still buy it, just not get it /s 15:55:21 Would North Of Boston Farm drive more than thirty hours to deliver to my door? 15:55:34 Now . . . *that* would be *service*! 15:55:57 I get milk, eggs, and some other stuff delivered to my door weekly by a local business. 15:55:58 lol not yet ;-) 15:56:00 hmm 15:56:11 that sounds lovely 15:56:13 I wonder if it's even possible to get them to accept Monero. . . . 15:56:35 I would need to know more about the process to be sure I could offer a convincing argument and help them do it. 15:57:15 i was able to convince my family by telling them we should do it and then two days later someone asked whether we did it 15:57:25 which was lucky 15:57:32 Oh? 15:58:05 yeah 15:58:08 Does your family equate to the operators of North Of Boston Farm? 15:58:21 yeah 15:58:57 That's very cool. 15:59:12 yeah i like it 15:59:16 If I knew anyone who lived in the area, I would tell them about it and see if I could get some business with Monero going your way. 15:59:30 thanks lol 15:59:35 . . . but I don't think I know anyone who doesn't know better than to move to Mordorchusetts. 15:59:54 what's wrong with mass? 16:01:25 Moving there would represent a significant loss of freedom for almost everyone I know. The place actually exports murderers. 16:01:46 I just am not thrilled with it politically. It's very difficult to find a less-free place in the US. 16:02:06 true 16:02:19 I suppose several places are arguably worse, but also arguably better in some respects, too (e.g. Illinois and California). 16:02:49 at one point Arnhem, NL was known as a Bitcoin village 16:02:56 you just gotta take privacy & security to an extreme degree and then use monero and etc 16:03:13 https://news.slashdot.org/story/21/04/05/1448243/google-wins-oracle-copyright-fight-as-top-court-overturns-ruling 16:03:29 you should be able to get some other small village like tht to adopt XMR as everyday currency 16:03:47 and in that case, nobody needs to even think about privacy or fungibility. they just use it. like cash. 16:03:56 To some extent, taking extra precautions to ensure safer law violation is an imposition of less freedom than just living somewhere that it's equally safe to do the same things legally. 16:04:45 hyc: Can you turn it into a Monero village? 16:05:09 oh definitely 16:05:12 me? I don't live there 16:05:24 kinghat[m]: Holy fuck. Does this mean Oracle can't sue everyone who copies a fucking API a little bit? 16:05:36 the google oracle decision is lame 16:05:49 it's a "win"for google in that they're not in violation of oracle's copyrights 16:06:10 hyc: Do you know of a place to find some kind of description about how, in practical terms, that village conversion happened? 16:06:13 but the SCOTUS wimped out and ignored the question of whether the API was copyrightable in th first place 16:06:57 SCOTUS likes to avoid answering questions when it can just settle something on precedent. 16:07:35 this doesn't set a precedent. the next company can still come along and file a lawsuit about API copyrights, ad nauseum 16:09:08 hyc: you mean you only it have naming powers near where you live ? Lame... 16:09:46 hyc: That's kinda my point. SCOTUS prefers to settle things on precedent, rather than set it, generally. 16:10:16 moneromooo: What did that sentence mean? 16:10:32 The same as it'd mean without the stray "it" in it. 16:14:11 https://twitter.com/charles_duan/status/1379074836073488391?s=20 16:16:21 moneromooo: thanks for clarifying 16:16:55 .balance 16:16:55 somethingUniqueR: • Your balance is: 0.0000013 XMR (≈0 USD) 16:18:09 Okay, so . . . that tweet and hyc seem to disagree a little bit. 16:18:40 We lost the farmer. 16:33:31 ok, that's good news. that's not what I read in other commentary 16:41:27 Yeah, I'm a little encouraged again. 16:41:48 This, however, is a little discouraging: https://twitter.com/justinwnewton/status/1377729345343483904 16:41:57 not the first tweet, but the stuff in the discussion following 16:44:57 Read the particular thread that comes to this point: https://twitter.com/iang_fc/status/1379042713161596932 17:00:48 .balance 17:00:48 somethingUniqueS: • Your balance is: 0.0000013 XMR (≈0 USD) 17:01:12 um 17:01:19 I don't think it has changed. 17:02:22 Staking is broken in monero :( 17:03:33 Wen proper staking? 17:07:32 https://twitter.com/questauthority/status/1379079199084924928 17:10:50 https://twitter.com/questauthority/status/1379090467904688131/photo/2 17:13:56 so SCOTUS avoids the question of whether APIs are copyrightable, and says even if they are, independently reimplementing them is fair use 17:14:37 this to me is not the great victory everyone else is claiming it is. 17:14:53 A victory would have been SCOTUS ruling that APIs are not copyrightable 17:15:10 because the laws re: Fair Use are explicitly context-specific 17:15:17 It means... you can implement strcmp but not reuse string.h ? 17:15:52 (or rather, supply an alternative to libc.so, but not an alternative to string.h etc) 17:15:59 SCOTUS has left it open for any future litigants to sue again over some other API, burdening some future court with deciding whether that particular instance is also Fair use or not 17:16:22 If a mobile wallet is pointed at a remote node with RPC-pay enabled, but the wallet has no mining functionality in its code, would the connection fail? 17:16:26 because Fair Use is not a set of hard anf fast rules. it is always situational. 17:16:33 Actually, no. You cab spply an alternative to string.h, just not the original string.h. 17:16:51 because that's what SCOTUS does as of late... when was the last time they really made a 'ruling' on anything without leaving it entirely open? 17:16:53 No. It would just get errors returned by the daemon. 17:17:02 well - whether you supply an alternatie or not is immaterial, since it must contain the same function names, to be ussable 17:17:29 Yes, but you can't copyright a function name. Copyright is on arrangements of... things. 17:17:47 Moo would those errors make it so the user cannot find their balance or make transactions? 17:18:21 If by find their balance" you mean "get new txes to see if we got new monero", then yes. 17:19:08 you can copyright collections of things too. "Compilation copyrights" are pretty common for anthologies etc 17:19:09 Ok thanks. So basically wallets would need to support mining or the node would need to have RPC-pay turned off...? 17:19:29 Yes. 17:19:48 Otherwise there's be no point to it, would there. 17:19:51 it ain't over till it's over https://twitter.com/webmink/status/1379080683956625408 17:20:03 maybe the federal circuit court will do the right thing here? 17:20:06 /s 17:20:21 it's a different one - not pirate party 17:20:34 Oohh, nice :D 17:20:44 17:16 < Mochi101> because that's what SCOTUS does as of late... when was the last time they really made a 'ruling' on anything without leaving it entirely open? 17:21:25 The answer to that depends. Do you consider "collecitve" versus "individual" rights in RKBA/2A to be "anything" in that sense? 17:21:41 If so, there was a firm ruling on 2A describing an individual right. 17:22:01 Was there? 17:22:46 Even the ACLU agreed that was the ruling, and the ACLU bends over backwards to find excuses to claim SCOTUS ruled against an individual right, as it turned Miller into the opposite of what it said to claim it's not an individual right and that it justified the restriction of military purpose firearms. 17:23:21 DC v Heller resulted in a ruling that 2A describes an individual right, but that reasonable restrictions can still be applied to firearms legality. 17:23:36 The individual right part was clearly there. 17:24:05 . . . unless my memory of it has completely deteriorated, it was firm on that, and a concurring opinion even went further. 17:24:32 ugh 17:24:44 I hope I didn't get the majority opinion and concurring opinion backward. 17:25:15 Mochi101: Now your question is making me second guess whether it was just the concurring opinion that firmly came down on the side of an individual right. 17:26:26 I do know that Miller found for an individual right to keep and bear arms in common use by the military, and that the ACLU claims the opposite because either ACLU lawyers can't reaad or assume nobody else can read. 17:27:06 It's like they were blind to the statements made in the majority opinion other than the part that says it's okay to restrict some firearms (including a sawed-off shotgun). 17:27:42 Mochi101: In general, though, you're right -- SCOTUS avoids the fuck out of firm decisions on blanket matters. 17:27:46 it's all very weaselish 17:27:50 ;) 17:29:25 US v Miller is just a baffling case of a firm *and famous* precedent being blatantly ignored for decades. 17:44:48 the so called 'branches' of the govt fully cooperate to maximize their power. Basic political philosophy. 18:35:53 I'm syncing the blockchain from scratch. Why does the syncing get slower and slower the further the blockhain? I mean, the last 1% of the blockchain takes about 60% of the time. Are the more recent blocks somehow much more difficult to process so it takes just much more CPU time for each block? Why is that? 18:36:43 JaakkoLuttinen[m, most transactions 18:38:51 there aren't checkpoints past a certain point so it has to verify more stuff. or something like that 18:41:06 JaakkoLuttinen[m: every release contains recent checkpoints to skip some part of the verification 18:41:34 and the last release is a couple month old so the daemon has to do a lot of verification in the last % 19:01:33 react native is really easy if you know react 19:03:56 donkeydonkey[m]: so I hear 19:10:19 there are some frameworks like UI Kitten that make it cookie cutter easy 19:15:53 What kind of person steals from own community? np.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6d6okb/_/ Your own leaders are laughing at how stupid you are for falling for thier 'Magical Crypto Friendship' 19:40:51 so that is the same guy spamming reddit, or reddit spam and irc spam are two different people? 19:44:02 that same guy has been spamming monero subreddits a lot in the past which alienated the community against him even more. It's 99% that it's him spamming other subreddits now. 19:44:09