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milkmilk[m]
Yo
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gingeropolous
what it is milkmilk[m]
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milkmilk[m]
How is it going?
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DisBotXMR
<EtanMcWow> I have never done this before so what is a normal h/s
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JOhNKmus
depends on cpu
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JOhNKmus
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DisBotXMR
<EtanMcWow> Ok thanks
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DisBotXMR
<EtanMcWow> Also how long does it normally take to start making money
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JOhNKmus
usually pools have a minimum payout, once you have hit the threshold it will be sent to your wallet
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JOhNKmus
if youre mining on a pool that is
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JOhNKmus
you can look up a monero profitability calculator as well
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DisBotXMR
<EtanMcWow> I am on US West one
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DisBotXMR
<EtanMcWow> How will I know the minimum payout
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milkmilk[m]
That convo makes me wonder; how would mining without a pool look?
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JOhNKmus
you just mine solo until you manage to mine a block on your own and you get the entire payout
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JOhNKmus
it can be done through monerod
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JOhNKmus
(monero node)
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JOhNKmus
usually the pools website will tell u the min payout etan
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DisBotXMR
<EtanMcWow> What would you recommend
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JOhNKmus
as for pools?
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DisBotXMR
<EtanMcWow> I am using two old cpus
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DisBotXMR
<EtanMcWow> No for pools or solo
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milkmilk[m]
Nice lol, any way of calculating how long pooless mining would on average take to pay out (with the understanding it would probably take a long period of time based on luck lol)
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JOhNKmus
older hw def do pools etan
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JOhNKmus
the GUI wallet will actually calculate that for you milk
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DisBotXMR
<EtanMcWow> Ok
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JOhNKmus
it will say like 1 in 300 daily chance or something
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milkmilk[m]
Oh, thanks. i will have to set up the gui wallet then lol thanks!
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JOhNKmus
all depends on hashrate obviously
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JOhNKmus
make sure you pic advanced mode
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DisBotXMR
<EtanMcWow> I did
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milkmilk[m]
yeah, my pc ssd isnt working rn but i have a replacement coming in, will remember to do that thank you :)
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JOhNKmus
np :)
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DisBotXMR
<EtanMcWow> What miner do you use
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JOhNKmus
xmrig
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DisBotXMR
<EtanMcWow> It wouldn’t open for me so I use nanominer
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DisBotXMR
<EtanMcWow> Does your local node have to be running for the miner to work
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JOhNKmus
only if you are solo mining through the node
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DisBotXMR
<EtanMcWow> Oh ok
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Bill48105
.xmr tip VashTheStampede $0.05
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Wallet
Bill48105 tipped 0.00020732 XMR (≈$0.05) to VashTheStampede [bd806992]
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Bill48105
long time no see vash what you been up to :)
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milkmilk[m]
Wait did that tip thing you did work bill?
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milkmilk[m]
I meant how did it work?
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angrymonkeyboi[m
You guys know what would be great?
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angrymonkeyboi[m
If we had U2F support in the GUI wallet
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milkmilk[m]
U2F?
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angrymonkeyboi[m
like a UbiKey
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angrymonkeyboi[m
hardware 2FA
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milkmilk[m]
Oo, I was unaware of something like that, that would be super cool. What types of things support that?
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angrymonkeyboi[m
All major browsers support it, so technically any website could support it
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angrymonkeyboi[m
I know many companies (Google, Amazon, etc) require it for most things like VPN, web access, etc
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angrymonkeyboi[m
for their employees, i mean
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angrymonkeyboi[m
It's a million times more convenient than typing some text from Google Authenticator on your computer
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milkmilk[m]
I had no clue any website supported anything beyond mobile number 2FA, thats cool to know that probably reasonably anonymous/pseudonymous methods for that exist
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fluffypony
angrymonkeyboi[m: how would that work
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fluffypony
you mean like U2F / FIDO for unlocking the wallet?
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fluffypony
I mean, that just seems like security theatre
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fluffypony
doesn't provide any real protection - at least, no more than a PIN
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fluffypony
just get a Ledger if you want a hardware wallet
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angrymonkeyboi[m
Of course a hardware wallet would be best
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angrymonkeyboi[m
why do you say security theater?
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angrymonkeyboi[m
If the wallet password is compromised, the attacker still needs access to the hardware key to unlock the wallet
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fluffypony
because it doesn't protect against any of threat models except "an attacker has totally compromised your computer and your wallet happens to be closed at the time"
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angrymonkeyboi[m
Of course if they get the wallet seed, it's game over
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fluffypony
in which case the attacker just installed a program that captures the private key next time the wallet is unlocked
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fluffypony
if your computer is pwned then it's game over, unless you have a hardware wallet
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angrymonkeyboi[m
You're right
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charolastra
isn't the idea of that FIDO stuff to have challange-response?
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charolastra
funny that my first yubikey should arrive today. so havn't really looked into it yet
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Zerock
My problem with hardware keys is that they can be lost or stolen in person. I can back up my encrypted wallet or seed all over the planet.
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charolastra
true, that's why they all recommend to add two keys and keep one as backup. actually similiar to physical locks
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moneromoon[m]
well my hardware wallet has a password to access it and if you use the wrong password it wipes itself...
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moneromoon[m]
id rather have a hacker have to hunt me down physically than just swoop my key off my computer/internet xD
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raecarruth
yes, i'll take the physical conflict over cyber any day
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sech1
Beware of $5 wrenches then
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moneromoon[m]
you already should be.
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moneromoon[m]
at any point anyone could hold a gun to your head and say "transfer me all your money"
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Zerock
It's not just a concern of someone tracking me down personally. That's an extremely low risk. It's a much higher risk that it falls out of my pocket in public, or I break it while lifting something heavy or falling down, or something mundane like that.
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moneromoon[m]
how does crypto make this any different???
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moneromoon[m]
in fact id argue it makes this scenario more secure.
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moneromoon[m]
I can open a "Decoy" wallet with minimal funds...
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moneromoon[m]
the attacker wont even know about real wallet..
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Norrin
hw wallets support that?
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Norrin
i know some sw wallets do
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moneromoon[m]
how is that a risk?
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moneromoon[m]
it falls out of your pocket in public or breaks ok
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moneromoon[m]
so i go restore my wallet on a new device xD
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Zerock
err, what's the point of a hardware wallet if it can just be restored in software?
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moneromoon[m]
also idk why id be walking around everywhere with my hardware wallet...
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moneromoon[m]
you can use both SW wallet on a phone and a HW wallet at home
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charolastra
isn't that an absurd case? if your physical security is compromised you have lost in every case. there are countermeasurments to 5$ wrenches you know
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moneromoon[m]
the keys are never stored on a computer/internet
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moneromoon[m]
thats the point
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Norrin
Zerock the hw wallet and the paper record of your seed are both offline and therefore not digitally hackable
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moneromoon[m]
get a new hardware wallet - restore it
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moneromoon[m]
good to go.
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moneromoon[m]
no hacker ever had the option to even steal the keys
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Zerock
okay, but if someone can crack the encryption on my computer to get my wallet, they can also just crack the keys directly, so I've already lost in that case
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Norrin
charolastra it can take longer to hack the hw than for you to restore somewhere else and transfer the funds somewhere new
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moneromoon[m]
so why do you have the keys on your computer???
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moneromoon[m]
againb
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moneromoon[m]
get a hardware wallet.
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moneromoon[m]
never put the keys on your computer lmao
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moneromoon[m]
thats the whole point...
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Zerock
you've missed my point
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Norrin
Zerock they physically can take the computer when its already unlocked
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Zerock
if your concern is that encryption is busted, then the whole currency is busted
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Norrin
or use a $5 to get you to unlock it
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Norrin
$5 wrench*
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moneromoon[m]
??? what?
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Zerock
they can use a $5 wrench to get me to hand over a hardware wallet too
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moneromoon[m]
wallet needs a passcode
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moneromoon[m]
and they need to know where you physically are + hunt you down....
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Zerock
I know that
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moneromoon[m]
easier for a hacker in his moms basement to just swoop it off your desktop/cloud storage
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moneromoon[m]
lol
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Zerock
I'm talking to Norrin who is telling me that keeping it on a PC is a concern because of $5 wrenches, but hardware wallets don't save you from that possibility
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moneromoon[m]
yes they do
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moneromoon[m]
lol
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moneromoon[m]
give him the wallet
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moneromoon[m]
he cant use the fundsd
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Zerock
please tell me how a hardware wallet protects me from goons with wrenches who find me
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moneromoon[m]
unlock the wallet for him!
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moneromoon[m]
still cant use the funds.
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moneromoon[m]
You can have a Decoy account
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Zerock
I can have a decoy in software too
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moneromoon[m]
not exactly
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Zerock
anyway, the whole point is that if goons are at my house with wrenches, I've already lost
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moneromoon[m]
when the keys are stored on your computer.
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moneromoon[m]
a Decoy wallet - with minimal funds
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moneromoon[m]
they wont even realize if you enter the correct password that a different wallet will open..
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moneromoon[m]
my whole point is id rather the goons be REQUIRED to come to my house with wrenches
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moneromoon[m]
than just some dude in his moms basement swoop my life savings cause i was too stubborn to buy a HW wallet lol
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moneromooo
So clearly you need to invest in razorwire to surround your house with. And large electromagnets that will snap the wrenches off the goons right ?
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Zerock
lawl
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moneromoon[m]
exactly.
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moneromooo
That's only a temporary measure though, they'll soon adapt and use non ferric wrenches.
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Zerock
you seem to be completely missing my actual position
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moneromooo
BUT that might be more expensive than $5, and you'll have beaten that particular threat vector!
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moneromooo
Now, the danger might be the razorwire flying off when you switch the electromagnets on. That might be... dangerous.
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moneromooo
Clearly more study needed.
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charolastra
i'm paranoid about hardware wallets: what if you can't buy that brand/model anymore?
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Zerock
charolastra: a lot of them run proprietary firmware too; how do I know I can even trust it to be secure?
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moneromooo
That's good! It means soon enough nobody will know what you have since they won't readily recognize it as a hw wallet :)
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charolastra
exactly. and even if the SW is OS, the chips aren't
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moneromooo
I mark all my HW wallets with "Property of the National Security Agency". Nobody will dare steal *that*.
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Zerock
There's only so much you can do about the actual hardware, but for all I know, the firmware has a backdoor
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raecarruth
why are hackers always in their "mother's basement"? and not in their college dorm or apartment where I've typically known them to be?
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Zerock
raecarruth: folklore
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charolastra
same reason they all wear a black hoodie
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Zerock
even though they're indoors
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moneromooo
THinking about it... Maybe "Property of Vasiliov Military Biological Weapons Lab" might be better.
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» moneromooo hopes there's no secret lab called vasiliov or there'll be black helicopters showing up soon...
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Zerock
charolastra: don't forget the even more dangerous ones with guy fawkes masks
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charolastra
true!
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charolastra
hammering into their green terminals
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Zerock
the limited field of view from the mask gives them tunnel vision on the objective, quickening the hax0ring process
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mfoolb
I found black hoodie (or hoodie in general) to help with concentration in particular occasions
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» charolastra actually wears black hoodies and preferes green font in terminals
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Zerock
:O
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» Zerock distrusts charolastra
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mfoolb
^
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Zerock
The only black hoodie I have is the EFF one with the glow-in-the-dark electric fist
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Zerock
oops, doxxed
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midipoet
Cause everyone loves an electric fist
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moneromooo
Sounds like a near future kung fu movie... Way of the electric fist.
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Zerock
that's the name EFF gave it
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Zerock
I have a lil challenge coin with it too; I think that was for the 30th anniversary
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moneromoon[m]
<charolastra "i'm paranoid about hardware wall"> Trezor T is completely Open Source
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grc001[m]
In the Monero Markets room theres folks talking about how great it is to short Monero, and that I should do it too.
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grc001[m]
I dont get it. Im new here.
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moneromoon[m]
they pry joking with you lol
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grc001[m]
Im sort of freakin out
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moneromoon[m]
to make it cheaper for everyone else xD
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charolastra
moneromoon[m]: what about the second half of my sentence
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grc001[m]
Man cheers.
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grc001[m]
Well im left to own devices in here
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moneromooo
If you're new, don't play with long/short stuff, it's even more dangerous than just buying/selling normally, which is already very high variance.
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moneromoon[m]
the software that runs on the HW wallet is open source
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moneromoon[m]
if you cant - someone will port it to a new device if "trezor" quit existing
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moneromoon[m]
theres plenty of folk with Trezor wallets that know how to reuse the open source code.. it would be passed around
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grc001[m]
I have not and do not have intentions of longing or shorting.
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moneromooo
It's the kind of thing that works well until it spectacularly doens't, and then you're screwed.
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grc001[m]
Thanks Monero Moon.
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moneromoon[m]
and soon enough the hardware will also be open source so you could build an entire trezor yourself lol
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grc001[m]
But yea this place kinda scary now.. Im off topic, ill head off.
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moneromoon[m]
lol we just cchillinn
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grc001[m]
Appreciate it dude.
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grc001[m]
I might need that hotline
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grc001[m]
Peace
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moneromoon[m]
hey if you do get into monero and ever have any issues this is a good place to get help
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grc001[m]
Im not so sure now.
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moneromoon[m]
lol
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moneromoon[m]
xD that made lmao
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moneromoon[m]
* xD that made me lmao
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raecarruth
is monero t much better than the OG?
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raecarruth
sorry, not monero t
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raecarruth
trezor t
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grc001[m]
Any help getting xmr and using xmr app n stuff is always coming thick n fast, that could be to bring the dupes like me.... sorry im talk cray. apologies.
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moneromoon[m]
Trezor T is better than Ledger in that Trezor is Open Source and Ledger is not
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moneromoon[m]
Trezor T is the only Trezor model that supports Monero
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moneromoon[m]
grc001: you look into the "Cake Wallet" app for android/ios?
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moneromoon[m]
there is also the official desktop app
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moneromoon[m]
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grc001[m]
i rarely if ever use a smart phone
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mfoolb
window 8
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p3rL
hello
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p3rL
while installating monero-gui wallet i got this Program:Win32/Ymacco.AA3E threat quarntined
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p3rL
should i need to add it in exceptions ?
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DisBotXMR
<Dimitri> did you verify the monero installation?
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p3rL
from
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p3rL
?
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DisBotXMR
<Dimitri> when you download monero, you should verify the installation to make sure that you got a valid package
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p3rL
i downloaded it from monero official website
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p3rL
lemme show you link
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DisBotXMR
<Dimitri> still, verify right now
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p3rL
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Lyza
the download page includes verification instructions
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DisBotXMR
<Dimitri> if you want to make sure not to lose your money, I suggest you verify the installation you got
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DisBotXMR
<Dimitri> if it's valid, then you can make the exception for that program
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Lyza
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Quotes
fuck windows, use linux!
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p3rL
ok i am going to verify it now... but why windows defender detecting it.. also when i googled about that think some web saidi ts a trojan ransom
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Lyza
Windows Defender detects the Monero software because it contains a crypto miner, which is usually recognize as "potentially unwanted"
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Quotes
fuck windows, use linux!
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Lyza
god that thing is annoying
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BoomOperator[m]
Hi
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fibonacci
.balance
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Wallet
fibonacci: • Your balance is: 0 XMR
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raecarruth
ohai fibonacci
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fibonacci
o/
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raecarruth
how you doing today?
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fibonacci
Well it's another red Monday...
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fibonacci
But I'm alright.. you?
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DisBotXMR
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moneromoon[m]
Billion dollars in BTC not USD >_> Bullish
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charolastra
bullhish AF signals -> price collapses. makes sense
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p3rL
hello... i am still verifying i just want to know i am getting diffrent date is it fine ?
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p3rL
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p3rL
in this image its 2020 and my signature is based on 2021
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moneromoon[m]
price collapse? lol
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moneromoon[m]
goes up 40k - drops 8k
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moneromoon[m]
"ITS COLLAPSING!"
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moneromoon[m]
xD
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moneromoon[m]
just a normal correction
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Norrin
how do they know it left Coinbase?
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charolastra
p3rL: date doesn't matter if the fingerprint matches (verify it externaly to be sure) and it's signed correctly
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p3rL
yes its sign correctly now i am going to verify binary
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charolastra
i meant the fingerprint of the signing key. from that binaryFate dude (sorry for highlighting)
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p3rL
aight i got this
prnt.sc/103vu48 and its matching with hashes.txt also so its normal ?
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p3rL
i can go with this binary ?
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hv-bridge
<musmo> as long as the hash value coincides, then the binary is fine
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hv-bridge
<musmo> usually, if you would to download it from the original site, it should be ok
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p3rL
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gingeropolous
.balance
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Wallet
gingeropolous: Access denied for balance. Are you logged in?
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gingeropolous
your denied
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cardboardoranges
selsta has a separate account/repo been created yet for our anon contributor to the codebase?
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cardboardoranges
I'd like to follow their progress
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moneromooo
Looks like it if you look at github PRs.
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cardboardoranges
The only name I don't recognize is
github.com/perfect-daemon
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cardboardoranges
I'll assume that's our guy/gal
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selsta
yes
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cardboardoranges
Great
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cardboardoranges
Thanks guys
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gdrc
hi there, in order to create a new wallet where i have to transfer some XMR to, do i need to download the whole blockchain through monerod?
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jonah_xd[m]
<gdrc "hi there, in order to create a n"> You connect to a node
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charolastra
hi, no, you can use an external node. the GUI will give you the option on starting
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charolastra
or use an app on your phone to create/check the wallet
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gdrc
thanks
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gdrc
i've done thru the gui
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moneromoon[m]
sorry jonah_xd - ringct is all transaction amounts are hidden i meant*
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jonah_xd[m]
Its alright i alrdy knew
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moneromoon[m]
* ring signatures is just one part, theres also 'stealth addresses' - every address is a single spend address.
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moneromoon[m]
and then theres also ringct - all transaction amounts are hidden
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endor00[m]
there's no such thing as "introducing yourself for the first time on the blockchain"
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endor00[m]
every monero in circulation ultimately comes from a block reward
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DisBotXMR
<EtanMcWow> Is the area where it says six share how much I get payed or have mined
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ErCiccione
Getmonero.org now has an .onion address, which makes it available natively on the Tor network:
reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/lpw24y…_has_an_onion_address_which_makes/?
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hyc
nice
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sethsimmons
<ErCiccione "Getmonero.org now has an .onion "> *Great* news!
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sethsimmons
Approved the post btw, got caught by automod for some reason.
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charolastra
EtanMcWow: guess that's how many shares you have on that pool. should tell you about pending payments somewhere
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ErCiccione
Thanks. Maybe the onion address triggered something?
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DisBotXMR
<EtanMcWow> I didn’t see anything about that anywhere
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DisBotXMR
<EtanMcWow> I did but how do I get the unconfirmed balance
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ndorf
anyone know how to avoid the "Transaction spends more than one very old output" warning? IIRC there was some setting for "min # of inputs" but i can't find it now
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cwdgebyvnyk
Hey, Doug, how is that lawsuit coming along? imgur.com/w0IF1Pf Maybe if you split the cost in half with the saviour of NASA you can make it happen.
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moneromooo
Oh look, the stalker's found another person's real name. Another reason to use privacy software...
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leonardus
I love monero
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leonardus
++
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styxx[m]
if you love monero you should love wownero even more
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Wharrgarbl[m]
Why
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Bill48105
never heard of it so..
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Wharrgarbl[m]
<moneromooo "Oh look, the stalker's found ano"> What stalker?
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gingeropolous
anyone here responsible for getmonero.us?
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NickvanSaberhagn
Anyone here responsible for xmrchain.net? Because that website is AWESOME
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moneromooo
I think that's gingeropolous
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gingeropolous
kinda
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gingeropolous
its a group effort
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moneromooo
Ginger and Polous.
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gingeropolous
but i do try and keep the daemon updated and that sorta thing
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gingeropolous
though when there's serious admin stuff I cry to daddy
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NickvanSaberhagn
Well I love that I’ve been using it for years because Of ginger and suddenly realize that Kraken official uses it! So cool
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NickvanSaberhagn
The only other site I love is MoneroAddress.org. THAT site is awesome too! Who runs that one?
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moneromooo
saddam hosts it, and I wrote it.
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NickvanSaberhagn
Mooo you are the man! I am an insect among giants
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moneromooo
I'm still surprised I wrote javascript tbh.
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NickvanSaberhagn
It’s a great site. Extremely useful
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Wharrgarbl[m]
How old is that now moo?
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Wharrgarbl[m]
I could a sworn I saw it eons ago
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jwinterm
what are the args for --generate-from-keys on cli wallet?
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jwinterm
--generate-from-keys <priv spend key> <priv view key> ?
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jwinterm
oh it's just a file name?
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jwinterm
figured it out
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ndorf
if you have a deterministic wallet you can just use --generate-from-spendkey
