<NickvanSaberhagn "Anyone here responsible for xmrc"> would be nice if they run their own node instead of bridging other nodes

Someone needs a hug 🤗

Tnx

i dont really gamble but i was curious if monero.win was actually random so i scrapped the results of the previous 17k blocks <_< turns out the final character is completely random lol

jonah_xd[m], wat?

they arn't hosting a monero node according to reddit, they request a list of the blockchain from another service

nope, other way around

xmrchain.net does host a node, some other explorer pulls data from xmrchain

moneromoon[m]: nice

i was bored xD

gotta check if I cant rig your game in my favor...

lol

man, are my reddit posts that unintelligible?

test

fail

Does anyone know about documentation on how to integrate payment id into a website to issue unique purchase addresses?

I found the php one but are there any others people can recommend?

mark_bleep[m], you want to avoid payment ID and use a subaddress

checkout the monero ecosystem on github. there might be something there

Ok, I thought payment id was how subaddresses were created.

I've been roaming around GitHub but sometimes people have gems they recommend

do you know of zero-to-monero?

this is the ecosystem github mark_bleep[m] : github.com/monero-ecosystem

.balance

strike: • Your balance is: 0.0018173 XMR (≈0.37 USD)

Kraken wants me to upload a picture of me holding my ID along with handwritten notes. What the actual f*ck?!?

same with crypto.com for me, something get wrong anyway and I endup happy in binance

This stuff should be illegal. Isn't it under the GDPR?

They're asking me to do it via unencrypted email after all.

kdlt8ggf[m]: are you in EU?

kdlt8ggf[m]: some addon was with crypto.com,

Obviously since I mentioned the GDPR.

now when you point it out is a bizare

hey :)

is it possible to mine monero with nodejs?

actually making a copy of my ID and uploading it is illegal. but what are you gonna do, sue Kraken?

The f*ck is wrong with companies these days. This is the kind of stuff you'd expect from Facebook.

Oh wait let me guess, my account was flagged for being engaged in suspicious activity by being in possession of oh so scary dark web currency Monero, right. FFS

Am I now on a list of possible drone targets?

Are you verified on Kraken?

Used to be

They have 5000 USD daily withdrawal limit for unverified accounts, maybe you exceeded it

I don't know, I sold Monero there a couple of times and didn't have problems

Yeah no, I didn't.

It's a new account though but I was already verified.

Are crypto ATMs without KYC legal in the US?

<angrymonkeyboi[m "Are crypto ATMs without KYC lega"> Screw this, we should just dump a ton of sand in the middle of the ocean and create our own country where KYC is illegal.

lol no, I think we need KYC

for large sums of money*

Monerostan maybe

most of the the *istan countries have very strict banking regulations

stan just means land lol

yes

<angrymonkeyboi[m "most of the the *istan countries"> Americastan

The Private Republic of Monerostan

Whenever I read KYC I always read it as KYS, which bothers me about the same.

First sentence in our new constitution: KYC is illegal and punishable under the offense of terrorism.

Basically treat KYC supporters as terrorists just like they see us probably lol

KYC is a violation of your right against unwarranted search and seizure. In most western countries, the government would need a warrant to look inside your pocketbook. Why don't they need one to see if you withdrew 20$ from Kraken?

<l33t_bit[m] "KYC is a violation of your right"> ikr the f*cking audacity these companies have

Worse is credit card companies.

Facebook is what started it all.

They charge 5% to vendors and maintain the right to decide certain businesses should not exist. If the major banks that operate credit cards decide they don't like your business, you are out of business.

Enforcing antitrust has gone out of style in the west so they can use that to eliminate competition for firms they invest in.

And that's what they call democracy and a free market? lol right

<kdlt8ggf[m] "And that's what they call democr"> There has never been a successful democracy, the only stable governments are constitutional republics. Most western nations have mixed economies, not free markets. Even the US.

I know, they should just stop calling it that.

Democracy is just a buzzword people in constitutional republics use.

<kdlt8ggf[m] "I know, they should just stop ca"> I admit, I'm being pedantic here.

KYC is good because it stops the evil people. I think there needs to be a limit on transaction size. Above that, you need KYC

Think politicians getting secret bribe money

Kind of democracy wink wink and free market for monopolies.

<angrymonkeyboi[m "KYC is good because it stops the"> In theory, yes, in practice, no.

In practice, evil people will find ways to evade prosecution.

<angrymonkeyboi[m "KYC is good because it stops the"> I'd argue KYC supporters are the worst kind of evil.

At best you might catch a corner dope peddler. Tell me how many arrests came out of the panama papers?

The people in charge of KYC are the ones laundering money.

You're arguing two different things

the panama papers thing was just plain old corruption that they didn't get fined

or go to jail for tax evasion

Someone should make an open source non profit exchange, accept cash by mail and give the finger to KYC.

Do it.

<kdlt8ggf[m] "Someone should make an open sour"> Then later be arrested...

like localmonero? 😆

<l33t_bit[m] "Then later be arrested..."> Not if you're based on some private island somewhere haha

angrymonkeyboi: I would like to know what my second point is.

<angrymonkeyboi[m "like localmonero? 😆"> Not useful if the sellers there do individual KYC.

<l33t_bit[m] "angrymonkeyboi: I would like to "> Just because there's corruption, doesn't mean we shouldn't have any laws

instead of throwing out laws, we should fix the corruption

<angrymonkeyboi[m "Just because there's corruption,"> If the laws produce corruption, then there is no way around it.

we should also throw out bad laws. but i don't think kyc is a bad law

Why?

What good does KYC do?

It is if it violates your human right to privacy by allowing warrentless collection of data.

Stops terrorizers. Foreign funding of operatives, etc

<angrymonkeyboi[m "Stops terrorizers. Foreign fundi"> Prove it

stops tax evasion

Heard of the concept of warrents?

<angrymonkeyboi[m "stops tax evasion"> Prove it

KYC is a Nazi law, there I said it.

😆

Let's say there's an ATM that sells XMR but requires you hold up your ID in front of the camera

who cares. XMR is private and fungible. it's only a problem for shitcoins like bitcoin

as soon as you transfer to your own wallet, it can't be tracked any more

Unless they freeze ie rob your funds.

<kdlt8ggf[m] "Unless they freeze ie rob your f"> I agree there. Freezing funds is evil

At worse, they should decline the transaction

KYC treats us like terrorists. It's time to treat KYC like terrorism.

I would love to eliminate corruption, but until that happens (if it does) KYC doesn't serve much purpose.

ie state and company terrorism

How about we agree that until corruption is eliminated, we eliminate KYC.

<Fyse> what if you're under 18

<Fyse> ^-^

On an international level.

Seriously, f*ck this. We need an alternative society that runs on open source and non profit institutions.

Anyways, good night to those of you who live in Asia.

We seriously need to find solutions for this crap. Otherwise Monero and crypto in general is just gonna end up like the internet. From a wild west in the 90s to the Google and Facebook dystopia today.

<kdlt8ggf[m] "Seriously, f*ck this. We need an"> non-profits = non-incentives

Not necessarily.

Maybe do it like Mozilla. Have for profit companies under the control of non profits.

Look at what happened in China/USSR. When governments took away all incentives for farmers to innovate, their agro industry was abysmal. As soon as those same governments allowed their farmers to take profits from their labor, their productivity sky-rocketed

Oh yeah right. Heavens of privacy, free market and democracy.

<kdlt8ggf[m] "Maybe do it like Mozilla. Have f"> Works just fine this way.

Well if you don't count Google but that's a completely seperate issue.

* Well if you don't count Google but that's a completely separate issue.

I mean the open source movement and things like Linux has shown us that good software and services can be created that actually respect users. The same idea should apply to everything.

You have to remember Mozilla only exists because Google pays them a ton of $$$

That's basically their only income

And google only gives them money so they don't get broken up under monopoly laws

<musmo> there's opera

<musmo> and netscape

<angrymonkeyboi[m "You have to remember Mozilla onl"> And mozilla has been ... weird.... recently.

when they announced to support censorship is where i stop using their stuff

<kdlt8ggf[m] "We seriously need to find soluti"> If we wind up with a crypto with quantitative easing, that would be bad. youtu.be/Ro7lrA781To

<jonah_xd[m] "when they announced to support c"> When you rely on donations, Censorship pays...

i don't know about that conclusion

many rely on donations and still hold their principles

<jonah_xd[m] "i don't know about that conclusi"> If it's true that Google provides the majority of their donations, then that explains why they are changing course on censorship.

corrolation = causation fallacy

Not saying anything about correlation.

<l33t_bit[m] "If it's true that Google provide"> I'm out of the loop on this. What are they censoring?

<angrymonkeyboi[m "I'm out of the loop on this. Wha"> things that they don't agree with

<angrymonkeyboi[m "I'm out of the loop on this. Wha"> Nothing, they just said stuff in favor of censorship on their blog.

look at their recent tweet

<l33t_bit[m] "If it's true that Google provide"> this is a correlation argument

we can't know for sure what caused the change of their principle

<jonah_xd[m] "this is a correlation argument"> That isn't what I meant. I meant that large organizations like Google, and various PACs are putting money behind censorship.

ohhhh i see

yeah i came late your conversation

It's more of a 'taek this money to get rid of stuff we don't like' than real donations.

<jonah_xd[m] "yeah i came late your conversati"> I was vague.

its alright no pressure

well honestly google is a bad corporation, their history shows

Google, Facebook, Microsoft, etc. not very nice

yes

Apple wasn't that bad, but their restrictions to the app store are pretty bad. If bundling IE with windows was an antitrust violation, what apple is doing is Criminal.

They blocked the brave browser from paying out BAT on ios.

Also, if you use firefox or chrome, switch to brave and use BAT to support content creators (or keep it all for yourself).

And trade it for monero :)

thing is you can't pull the BAT from the brave wallet browser

<jonah_xd[m] "thing is you can't pull the BAT "> That sucks, but it's a KYC/regulatory issue. It's even worse in Japan.

You can pull the bat through an exchange though, you just have to do KYC.

You need a minimum balance of 25BAT to withdraw thoguh.

* You need a minimum balance of 25BAT to withdraw though.

bruh thats 10$

not even worth it

Yeah, but if you average $1 a day in BAT, after a year it adds up.

ifk how you could manage 1$ a day

* idk how you could manage 1$ a day

<jonah_xd[m] "ifk how you could manage 1$ a da"> Work at your computer all day.

i do xd

Next quarter you willl be able to use your Gemini account to withdraw if you have one.

i'm a busy dude

* Next quarter you will be able to use your Gemini account to withdraw if you have one.

<jonah_xd[m] "i'm a busy dude"> Then you are missing out on $1 in BAT every day.

how is that possible ?

<jonah_xd[m] "how is that possible ?"> How much do you average?

idk a cent or 2

sometimes i don't get rewarded at all

and i have ads on max per day

ye 5 ads per hour

I get .05 bat per add

What country do you live in?

North africa currently

Maybe adds are cheaper there.

probably

crypto is illegal in N africa though

<jonah_xd[m] "crypto is illegal in N africa th"> Lol, why are you here then?

they have the best hotels

<jonah_xd[m] "they have the best hotels"> I meant forums for assets you can't use.

wdym ?

<jonah_xd[m] "wdym ?"> You live in a country where crypto is illegal, yet you are on a forum for crypto.

yes

i don't live there

i'm a foreigner to them

thats what i meant by "currently"

Well, back to the topic of Monero.

I wonder if transferring tokens through a blockchain protocol based on Monero would allow pandemic contact tracing in a way that can't be used to track people and remove their privacy.

Do you guys think their's a market for XMR ATMs, or is the market too small for that?

<musmo> there's always a market for anything

<angrymonkeyboi[m "Do you guys think their's a mark"> <Neo Face> What if I told you that when you are ready, you won't need ATMs.

What do you mean

<angrymonkeyboi[m "What do you mean"> If crypto becomes the standard currency for day to day transactions, you wouldn't need an atm, as your wallet would replace your checking account.

i think there's a market for xmr atms

for people that learn about monero, they generally want as little aml kyc as possible. now, dunno if many atms can exist like that, but, maybe angrymonkeyboi[m

Problem with crypto atms is that they're not easy to set up and maintain (if you wanna do it right)

Lots of costs that need to be amortized with scale, and that's something that you can only do realistically as a company, imo

<endor00[m] "Problem with crypto atms is that"> What difficulties do you see? If it's viable, I can raise funding

The biggest issue imo is paying for a service handling secure cash handling at your machines (withdrawing/depositing cash to maintain a certain amount of liquidity in the machine)

The other parts are doable, just kinda expensive per unit cost so it's more convenient to aim for bulk pricing: the physical shell (secure, hard to tamper and to lift/steal, hard to access the internal computer), the bill processing unit, a small computer to run the basic software you need

Plus implementing a frontend (for the ATMs) and a backend handling the order requests and status monitoring

i wonder if you could make the arms more self maintainable by offering better / worse rates depending on the amount of cash in the machine

tho then you'd have ppl arbing the atms

Too bad you can't send cash from ATM to ATM like you can with crypto :(

<musmo> if WU is considered as a type of ATM, then yes

don't any of the atm networks supporting multiple cryptos offer xmr?

ppl with low disk space do exist: old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/lq…mud/not_enough_space_for_local_node

How can i buy monero?

i have no idea what am i doing

;-;

The key to being an expert is to have no idea what you are doing, with style.

localmonero.co

^

cash by mail? O.o

If you have no idea what you are doing and still want some, kraken is probably safest. They'll ask you to dox yourself though.

like i put a money in a letter and sent that with post office?

If you prefer to get the exact current exchange rate, are willing to provide you name, dob, passport, mother's grandmothers maiden name, pant size, favorite color, etc. You can use a centralized exchange like kraken.

i want to transfer those as privately as possible

<kreyren "like i put a money in a letter a"> There are some people on localmonero who will accept electronic transfers from your bank

<kreyren "i want to transfer those as priv"> Then mailing cash is your best bet

<Fyse> if you live in the EU, binance is pretty good

so is that just placing money in a postcard or something and sending that through post office?

<DisBotXMR "<Fyse> if you live in the EU, bi"> outside of the EU binance is lame

<Fyse> EU+UK*

<Fyse> no kyc, 0.075% trade fees

<DisBotXMR "<Fyse> EU+UK*"> what is <fyse>?

<Fyse> EU and the UK

<Fyse> (uk left the eu)

Why do you start every message with <Fyse>?

<Fyse> I'm speaking through a discord bridge

<Fyse> It's OK.

Fyse is the user name, DisBotXMR is a bot ferrying the chat around.

<Fyse> Yup

Why use discord?

<Fyse> because I have access to other Discord servers, including my own

Are messages from this channel mirrored to the discord?

So the two channels are synced together?

Allegedly, yes.

so how do we make the public remote node infrastructure more like the electrum servers

because they are permissionless.... right? anyone can run an electrum server

Public rpc is pretty much it

Unless you wanna host the mymonero-like lightwallet and offer it as a service

well i guess electrum has the same downside

But you incur in the usual computational cost of server-side scanning + viewkey privacy loss

according to en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Electrum , "Public Electrum servers run by strangers can easily spy on Electrum users. For this reason many people run their own server. For maximum trustlessness, privacy and security; users should point Electrum to their own servers. "

of course the difference is no one gives a shit about privacy in bitcoinland

MyMonero-style lightwallets are basically Electrum, the only issue is that scanning to update a wallet is much harder for us

Oh!

well yeah and you have to basically keep an "account" open for a given user

We could incorporate the lightwallet software inside pinode-xmr!

yes, do

and a user is effectively encouraged to maintain a relationship with a given node

for better or worse

That way they get a bonus incentive to run a node 24/7: no need to sync your wallet because it's always running on the node

yeah any prepackaged monero node device product / build script should have mymonero-type stuff installed and the onion explorer

endor00[m]: some other groups are working on that too. if you can do it, it'd be popular

u still have the problem of punching holes through router firewalls, but i guess if thats the only hurdle some % will figure it out

Looking into it right now, might actually be within reach of my skill level

of course my in-laws can't figure out why our zoom calls don't work on their tablet when it turns out their wifi isn't connected

so ...

endogenic: are the looking into it as a standalone/separate product, or is there already work in progress of integrating openmonero inside pinode-xmr?

the former

personally i'd rather see vtnerd's lws on those nodes

and focus effort.. then frontends can point to the api they want

openmonero is fine too though. decent mvp

but now novice admins could be targets of knaccc attack kinda maybe

exposing user IPs is not fun either

yeah. but being able to grab a bunch of viewkeys not good

Oh cool, I was not aware of vtnerd's implementation. Is it already "shippable", or still a WIP?

endor00[m] : I'm testing it and it seems almost shippable

it requires some maintenance but it's really light on my server

Interesting, what kind of maintenance?

Oh I see the issues on github

yeah its a good base but could use some features

its already using lmdb, zmq-pub and amd64 asm (when available), and so it should be light-weight and quick as SerHack mentioned. some improvements to epee http might be heplful though

I set up the cheapest vps I could find, and I compiled Monero and light wallet successfully! The server is extremely light with few accounts (6) on stagenet

(for frontend, I used openmonero files and they work smoothly )

is lws a viewkey-scanner thing?

ah yes just saw the readme

<--- doofus

gingeropolous: i mean in addition

.bal

strike: 0.0018173 XMR

.balance

mfoolb: • Your balance is: 0.00618854 XMR (≈1.24 USD)

.balance

strike: • Your balance is: 0.0018173 XMR (≈0.36 USD)

Just noticed a <...>founded MyMonero (soon becoming MetaQuiet)<...> under fluffypony’s bio in clubhouse. Are they just rebranding or is there something more? Anyone knows anything?

lol wtf

Or maybe it’s some kind of a joke that i don’t get

indeed

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Is this some new secret code that only the cool kids will get?

I think it's just spammy junk.

It looks like Freenode is under attack again.

The one channel of mine that is getting these messages just got the channel mode set to +m so only opped people have to see it, and ops can then grant voice to anyone who isn't perpetrating a flood attack.

I managed to get the channel mute mode in place after the first such message today, and saved the community from the ongoing floods. It helps that I started seeing it in other channels first.

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apotheon: thanks, but doesn't seem to help

apollo13Hk: ty

charolastra: What do you mean?

didn't apollo13Hk just spam, too?

yeah

no one changed channel mode

Did you change the channel mode with `/mode #monero +m` ?

freenode staff will deal with it anyway

Last time this happened, the flooding went on for weeks.

(last time I really noticed it anyway)

maybe months

last large spam attack was years ago iirc

at least the one I remember

right, the freenode pedophile conspiracy

How long ago was that?

maybe two years, probably less I think

more than two years

christel on 2018-08-06

ah, yeah, something like 1.5 years

yea that's the one I meant

It sorta long-tailed a bit, though, so the end of it was rather later than that post.

that one went on for ages

yep

it was on other networks too

I think this one from 2017 was a part of the same campaign

is there any way to keep the viewkey encrypted, such that when the client connects they provide the decryption key to let the remote server do the scanning?

Yes: exit

of course, nullifies the ability of the viewkey scanning node to do it in the background

like, when the client is not connected

er wait, give the server hte viewkey ?

yeah, like mymonero

i guess yeah it could just give it during the scan

duh. thats prolly what openmonero does?

Oh, alright, no idea about mymonero. I thought you were talking about the wallet.

afaik, openmonero does not store the view key.

ah.

the protocol requires it on every request, it's up to the server to store it or not

gotcha

how to prevent these servers from being easter baskets of viewkeys, txs, and IPs ...

could store it in the users encrypted cookies and pass it on every request like you do auth for web apps

it's already passed on every request

figured it might be.

i mean, i guess you could just wave it away with "admin opsec"