03:28:05 Yo 04:04:18 what it is milkmilk[m] 04:06:19 How is it going? 04:12:16 I have never done this before so what is a normal h/s 04:12:51 depends on cpu 04:13:20 https://monerobenchmarks.info/ 04:14:54 Ok thanks 04:15:11 Also how long does it normally take to start making money 04:15:44 usually pools have a minimum payout, once you have hit the threshold it will be sent to your wallet 04:15:56 if youre mining on a pool that is 04:16:19 you can look up a monero profitability calculator as well 04:16:24 I am on US West one 04:18:18 How will I know the minimum payout 04:18:19 That convo makes me wonder; how would mining without a pool look? 04:18:45 you just mine solo until you manage to mine a block on your own and you get the entire payout 04:19:04 it can be done through monerod 04:19:08 (monero node) 04:19:29 usually the pools website will tell u the min payout etan 04:19:42 What would you recommend 04:19:51 as for pools? 04:19:55 I am using two old cpus 04:20:01 No for pools or solo 04:20:07 Nice lol, any way of calculating how long pooless mining would on average take to pay out (with the understanding it would probably take a long period of time based on luck lol) 04:20:26 older hw def do pools etan 04:20:46 the GUI wallet will actually calculate that for you milk 04:20:53 Ok 04:21:03 it will say like 1 in 300 daily chance or something 04:21:22 Oh, thanks. i will have to set up the gui wallet then lol thanks! 04:21:26 all depends on hashrate obviously 04:21:40 make sure you pic advanced mode 04:21:57 I did 04:22:20 yeah, my pc ssd isnt working rn but i have a replacement coming in, will remember to do that thank you :) 04:24:02 np :) 04:24:50 What miner do you use 04:24:58 xmrig 04:25:18 It wouldn’t open for me so I use nanominer 04:28:02 Does your local node have to be running for the miner to work 04:28:46 only if you are solo mining through the node 04:28:58 Oh ok 06:49:37 .xmr tip VashTheStampede $0.05 06:49:38 Bill48105 tipped 0.00020732 XMR (≈$0.05) to VashTheStampede [bd806992] 06:50:28 long time no see vash what you been up to :) 08:00:34 Wait did that tip thing you did work bill? 08:34:57 I meant how did it work? 11:19:03 You guys know what would be great? 11:19:24 If we had U2F support in the GUI wallet 11:39:04 U2F? 11:41:42 like a UbiKey 11:41:48 hardware 2FA 11:42:50 Oo, I was unaware of something like that, that would be super cool. What types of things support that? 11:46:05 All major browsers support it, so technically any website could support it 11:46:29 I know many companies (Google, Amazon, etc) require it for most things like VPN, web access, etc 11:46:37 for their employees, i mean 11:47:10 It's a million times more convenient than typing some text from Google Authenticator on your computer 11:47:31 I had no clue any website supported anything beyond mobile number 2FA, thats cool to know that probably reasonably anonymous/pseudonymous methods for that exist 11:51:54 angrymonkeyboi[m: how would that work 11:52:08 you mean like U2F / FIDO for unlocking the wallet? 11:52:29 I mean, that just seems like security theatre 11:52:42 doesn't provide any real protection - at least, no more than a PIN 11:52:50 just get a Ledger if you want a hardware wallet 11:56:48 Of course a hardware wallet would be best 11:56:58 why do you say security theater? 11:57:51 If the wallet password is compromised, the attacker still needs access to the hardware key to unlock the wallet 11:58:05 because it doesn't protect against any of threat models except "an attacker has totally compromised your computer and your wallet happens to be closed at the time" 11:58:09 Of course if they get the wallet seed, it's game over 11:58:26 in which case the attacker just installed a program that captures the private key next time the wallet is unlocked 11:58:37 if your computer is pwned then it's game over, unless you have a hardware wallet 12:01:50 You're right 12:08:18 isn't the idea of that FIDO stuff to have challange-response? 12:08:59 funny that my first yubikey should arrive today. so havn't really looked into it yet 12:11:40 My problem with hardware keys is that they can be lost or stolen in person. I can back up my encrypted wallet or seed all over the planet. 12:12:44 true, that's why they all recommend to add two keys and keep one as backup. actually similiar to physical locks 12:51:59 well my hardware wallet has a password to access it and if you use the wrong password it wipes itself... 12:52:39 id rather have a hacker have to hunt me down physically than just swoop my key off my computer/internet xD 12:53:59 yes, i'll take the physical conflict over cyber any day 12:55:14 Beware of $5 wrenches then 12:56:19 you already should be. 12:56:38 at any point anyone could hold a gun to your head and say "transfer me all your money" 12:57:55 It's not just a concern of someone tracking me down personally. That's an extremely low risk. It's a much higher risk that it falls out of my pocket in public, or I break it while lifting something heavy or falling down, or something mundane like that. 12:58:25 how does crypto make this any different??? 12:58:26 in fact id argue it makes this scenario more secure. 12:58:27 I can open a "Decoy" wallet with minimal funds... 12:58:27 the attacker wont even know about real wallet.. 12:59:21 hw wallets support that? 12:59:26 i know some sw wallets do 12:59:37 how is that a risk? 12:59:59 it falls out of your pocket in public or breaks ok 12:59:59 so i go restore my wallet on a new device xD 13:00:19 err, what's the point of a hardware wallet if it can just be restored in software? 13:00:20 also idk why id be walking around everywhere with my hardware wallet... 13:00:33 you can use both SW wallet on a phone and a HW wallet at home 13:00:41 isn't that an absurd case? if your physical security is compromised you have lost in every case. there are countermeasurments to 5$ wrenches you know 13:00:47 the keys are never stored on a computer/internet 13:00:52 thats the point 13:01:08 Zerock the hw wallet and the paper record of your seed are both offline and therefore not digitally hackable 13:01:36 get a new hardware wallet - restore it 13:01:36 good to go. 13:01:46 no hacker ever had the option to even steal the keys 13:01:55 okay, but if someone can crack the encryption on my computer to get my wallet, they can also just crack the keys directly, so I've already lost in that case 13:02:08 charolastra it can take longer to hack the hw than for you to restore somewhere else and transfer the funds somewhere new 13:02:17 so why do you have the keys on your computer??? 13:02:17 againb 13:02:19 get a hardware wallet. 13:02:26 never put the keys on your computer lmao 13:02:33 thats the whole point... 13:02:46 you've missed my point 13:02:53 Zerock they physically can take the computer when its already unlocked 13:02:55 if your concern is that encryption is busted, then the whole currency is busted 13:02:59 or use a $5 to get you to unlock it 13:03:07 $5 wrench* 13:03:14 ??? what? 13:03:18 they can use a $5 wrench to get me to hand over a hardware wallet too 13:03:42 wallet needs a passcode 13:03:42 and they need to know where you physically are + hunt you down.... 13:03:52 I know that 13:03:54 easier for a hacker in his moms basement to just swoop it off your desktop/cloud storage 13:03:55 lol 13:04:14 I'm talking to Norrin who is telling me that keeping it on a PC is a concern because of $5 wrenches, but hardware wallets don't save you from that possibility 13:04:27 yes they do 13:04:27 lol 13:04:36 give him the wallet 13:04:42 he cant use the fundsd 13:04:46 please tell me how a hardware wallet protects me from goons with wrenches who find me 13:04:51 unlock the wallet for him! 13:04:57 still cant use the funds. 13:05:08 You can have a Decoy account 13:05:15 I can have a decoy in software too 13:05:23 not exactly 13:06:08 anyway, the whole point is that if goons are at my house with wrenches, I've already lost 13:06:15 when the keys are stored on your computer. 13:06:17 a Decoy wallet - with minimal funds 13:06:17 they wont even realize if you enter the correct password that a different wallet will open.. 13:07:07 my whole point is id rather the goons be REQUIRED to come to my house with wrenches 13:07:07 than just some dude in his moms basement swoop my life savings cause i was too stubborn to buy a HW wallet lol 13:07:42 So clearly you need to invest in razorwire to surround your house with. And large electromagnets that will snap the wrenches off the goons right ? 13:07:49 lawl 13:07:54 exactly. 13:07:59 That's only a temporary measure though, they'll soon adapt and use non ferric wrenches. 13:08:20 you seem to be completely missing my actual position 13:08:20 BUT that might be more expensive than $5, and you'll have beaten that particular threat vector! 13:09:05 Now, the danger might be the razorwire flying off when you switch the electromagnets on. That might be... dangerous. 13:09:22 Clearly more study needed. 13:09:25 i'm paranoid about hardware wallets: what if you can't buy that brand/model anymore? 13:09:54 charolastra: a lot of them run proprietary firmware too; how do I know I can even trust it to be secure? 13:09:57 That's good! It means soon enough nobody will know what you have since they won't readily recognize it as a hw wallet :) 13:10:19 exactly. and even if the SW is OS, the chips aren't 13:10:50 I mark all my HW wallets with "Property of the National Security Agency". Nobody will dare steal *that*. 13:11:10 There's only so much you can do about the actual hardware, but for all I know, the firmware has a backdoor 13:11:14 why are hackers always in their "mother's basement"? and not in their college dorm or apartment where I've typically known them to be? 13:11:25 raecarruth: folklore 13:11:42 same reason they all wear a black hoodie 13:11:51 even though they're indoors 13:11:52 THinking about it... Maybe "Property of Vasiliov Military Biological Weapons Lab" might be better. 13:12:21 * moneromooo hopes there's no secret lab called vasiliov or there'll be black helicopters showing up soon... 13:12:24 charolastra: don't forget the even more dangerous ones with guy fawkes masks 13:12:32 true! 13:13:00 hammering into their green terminals 13:13:09 the limited field of view from the mask gives them tunnel vision on the objective, quickening the hax0ring process 13:13:16 I found black hoodie (or hoodie in general) to help with concentration in particular occasions 13:13:33 * charolastra actually wears black hoodies and preferes green font in terminals 13:14:01 :O 13:14:04 * Zerock distrusts charolastra 13:14:15 ^ 13:15:15 The only black hoodie I have is the EFF one with the glow-in-the-dark electric fist 13:15:54 oops, doxxed 13:16:08 Cause everyone loves an electric fist 13:16:45 Sounds like a near future kung fu movie... Way of the electric fist. 13:17:46 that's the name EFF gave it 13:18:04 I have a lil challenge coin with it too; I think that was for the 30th anniversary 13:28:42 Trezor T is completely Open Source 13:29:47 In the Monero Markets room theres folks talking about how great it is to short Monero, and that I should do it too. 13:30:18 I dont get it. Im new here. 13:30:47 they pry joking with you lol 13:30:52 Im sort of freakin out 13:30:56 to make it cheaper for everyone else xD 13:30:59 moneromoon[m]: what about the second half of my sentence 13:30:59 Man cheers. 13:31:11 Well im left to own devices in here 13:31:29 If you're new, don't play with long/short stuff, it's even more dangerous than just buying/selling normally, which is already very high variance. 13:31:42 the software that runs on the HW wallet is open source 13:31:42 if you cant - someone will port it to a new device if "trezor" quit existing 13:32:00 theres plenty of folk with Trezor wallets that know how to reuse the open source code.. it would be passed around 13:32:01 I have not and do not have intentions of longing or shorting. 13:32:11 It's the kind of thing that works well until it spectacularly doens't, and then you're screwed. 13:32:19 Thanks Monero Moon. 13:32:45 and soon enough the hardware will also be open source so you could build an entire trezor yourself lol 13:32:56 But yea this place kinda scary now.. Im off topic, ill head off. 13:33:13 lol we just cchillinn 13:33:37 Appreciate it dude. 13:33:50 I might need that hotline 13:34:02 Peace 13:34:10 hey if you do get into monero and ever have any issues this is a good place to get help 13:34:25 Im not so sure now. 13:34:28 lol 13:34:33 xD that made lmao 13:34:51 * xD that made me lmao 13:36:24 is monero t much better than the OG? 13:36:33 sorry, not monero t 13:36:35 trezor t 13:36:46 Any help getting xmr and using xmr app n stuff is always coming thick n fast, that could be to bring the dupes like me.... sorry im talk cray. apologies. 13:37:24 Trezor T is better than Ledger in that Trezor is Open Source and Ledger is not 13:37:24 Trezor T is the only Trezor model that supports Monero 13:38:10 grc001: you look into the "Cake Wallet" app for android/ios? 13:38:18 there is also the official desktop app 13:38:39 https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/#gui 13:46:06 i rarely if ever use a smart phone 14:21:25 window 8 14:46:48 hello 14:46:49 while installating monero-gui wallet i got this Program:Win32/Ymacco.AA3E threat quarntined 14:46:55 should i need to add it in exceptions ? 14:47:11 did you verify the monero installation? 14:47:24 from 14:47:25 ? 14:47:46 when you download monero, you should verify the installation to make sure that you got a valid package 14:47:59 i downloaded it from monero official website 14:48:03 lemme show you link 14:48:06 still, verify right now 14:48:13 https://downloads.getmonero.org/gui/monero-gui-install-win-x64-v0.17.1.9.exe 14:48:22 the download page includes verification instructions 14:48:37 if you want to make sure not to lose your money, I suggest you verify the installation you got 14:48:47 if it's valid, then you can make the exception for that program 14:48:49 https://web.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/verification-windows-beginner.html 14:48:49 fuck windows, use linux! 14:49:30 ok i am going to verify it now... but why windows defender detecting it.. also when i googled about that think some web saidi ts a trojan ransom 14:50:06 Windows Defender detects the Monero software because it contains a crypto miner, which is usually recognize as "potentially unwanted" 14:50:06 fuck windows, use linux! 14:50:14 god that thing is annoying 14:51:00 Hi 14:52:59 .balance 14:52:59 fibonacci: • Your balance is: 0 XMR 14:53:21 ohai fibonacci 14:53:29 o/ 14:53:40 how you doing today? 14:53:59 Well it's another red Monday... 14:54:10 But I'm alright.. you? 14:55:43 https://decrypt.co/58414/two-whales-just-withdrew-a-billion-dollars-from-coinbase 14:56:58 Billion dollars in BTC not USD >_> Bullish 15:00:47 bullhish AF signals -> price collapses. makes sense 15:05:05 hello... i am still verifying i just want to know i am getting diffrent date is it fine ? 15:05:06 https://web.getmonero.org/img/resources/user-guides/en/verify_binary_windows_beginner/verify-win_hashes-kleo-goodsig.png 15:05:29 in this image its 2020 and my signature is based on 2021 15:08:35 price collapse? lol 15:08:45 goes up 40k - drops 8k 15:08:45 "ITS COLLAPSING!" 15:08:46 xD 15:09:02 just a normal correction 15:10:44 how do they know it left Coinbase? 15:11:06 p3rL: date doesn't matter if the fingerprint matches (verify it externaly to be sure) and it's signed correctly 15:11:29 yes its sign correctly now i am going to verify binary 15:12:42 i meant the fingerprint of the signing key. from that binaryFate dude (sorry for highlighting) 15:15:19 aight i got this https://prnt.sc/103vu48 and its matching with hashes.txt also so its normal ? 15:15:25 i can go with this binary ? 15:32:16 as long as the hash value coincides, then the binary is fine 15:32:32 usually, if you would to download it from the original site, it should be ok 15:32:59 https://prnt.sc/103w7l2 15:42:44 .balance 15:42:44 gingeropolous: Access denied for balance. Are you logged in? 15:42:58 your denied 16:07:00 selsta has a separate account/repo been created yet for our anon contributor to the codebase? 16:07:08 I'd like to follow their progress 16:18:07 Looks like it if you look at github PRs. 16:19:19 The only name I don't recognize is https://github.com/perfect-daemon 16:19:29 I'll assume that's our guy/gal 16:20:12 yes 16:21:11 Great 16:21:12 Thanks guys 16:34:01 * jonah_xd[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/nNIexHbdjZXjVroeFxMJdxTA/message.txt > 16:41:16 hi there, in order to create a new wallet where i have to transfer some XMR to, do i need to download the whole blockchain through monerod? 16:41:44 You connect to a node 16:41:54 hi, no, you can use an external node. the GUI will give you the option on starting 16:43:03 or use an app on your phone to create/check the wallet 16:43:07 thanks 16:43:22 i've done thru the gui 16:47:30 * moneromoon[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/KXUBQvlMGNZsYcYOuZYwbDgg/message.txt > 16:52:07 sorry jonah_xd - ringct is all transaction amounts are hidden i meant* 16:52:24 Its alright i alrdy knew 16:52:25 * ring signatures is just one part, theres also 'stealth addresses' - every address is a single spend address. 16:52:25 and then theres also ringct - all transaction amounts are hidden 17:22:21 there's no such thing as "introducing yourself for the first time on the blockchain" 17:23:11 every monero in circulation ultimately comes from a block reward 18:32:35 Is the area where it says six share how much I get payed or have mined 18:37:39 Getmonero.org now has an .onion address, which makes it available natively on the Tor network: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/lpw24y/getmoneroorg_now_has_an_onion_address_which_makes/? 18:37:56 nice 18:38:02 *Great* news! 18:39:29 Approved the post btw, got caught by automod for some reason. 18:40:19 EtanMcWow: guess that's how many shares you have on that pool. should tell you about pending payments somewhere 18:40:25 Thanks. Maybe the onion address triggered something? 18:40:46 I didn’t see anything about that anywhere 18:44:48 I did but how do I get the unconfirmed balance 20:07:27 anyone know how to avoid the "Transaction spends more than one very old output" warning? IIRC there was some setting for "min # of inputs" but i can't find it now 20:50:06 Hey, Doug, how is that lawsuit coming along? imgur.com/w0IF1Pf Maybe if you split the cost in half with the saviour of NASA you can make it happen. 20:59:11 Oh look, the stalker's found another person's real name. Another reason to use privacy software... 22:25:56 I love monero 22:25:58 ++ 22:34:28 if you love monero you should love wownero even more 22:56:31 Why 23:01:03 never heard of it so.. 23:04:05 What stalker? 23:12:46 anyone here responsible for getmonero.us? 23:17:33 Anyone here responsible for xmrchain.net? Because that website is AWESOME 23:18:35 I think that's gingeropolous 23:18:52 kinda 23:19:09 its a group effort 23:19:16 Ginger and Polous. 23:19:37 but i do try and keep the daemon updated and that sorta thing 23:19:50 though when there's serious admin stuff I cry to daddy 23:20:49 Well I love that I’ve been using it for years because Of ginger and suddenly realize that Kraken official uses it! So cool 23:21:45 The only other site I love is MoneroAddress.org. THAT site is awesome too! Who runs that one? 23:22:03 saddam hosts it, and I wrote it. 23:22:28 Mooo you are the man! I am an insect among giants 23:23:06 I'm still surprised I wrote javascript tbh. 23:23:57 It’s a great site. Extremely useful 23:36:22 How old is that now moo? 23:36:34 I could a sworn I saw it eons ago 23:38:25 what are the args for --generate-from-keys on cli wallet? 23:38:44 --generate-from-keys ? 23:39:50 oh it's just a file name? 23:41:22 figured it out 23:43:14 if you have a deterministic wallet you can just use --generate-from-spendkey