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Bish
where does one buy moneroes as a fine european?
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charolastra
on Kraken
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asy
Bish: there's localmonero.co too
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tryphe_
Bish, not sure how many of these have monero, but here you go:
github.com/cointastical/P2P-Trading-Exchanges
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tryphe_
Bish, there's also 2 more large lists linked in that page
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Bish
tryphe_: thanks
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braunsweig
hello
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braunsweig
where qt is useful for command line monero?
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braunsweig
there is a qt package on depends
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moneromooo
IIRC, for "compiling" transltion files.
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moneromooo
The lrelease/lupdate tools.
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moneromooo
So it ends up pulling all this massive library.
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braunsweig
why monero-gui has not a similar depends solution
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moneromooo
Because nobody did it yet. I believe TheCharlatan is close though.
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zomb
help
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zomb
hi, how to send xmr to btc but not shapeshift ?
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alexanarcho[m]
zomb use xmr.to
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zomb
ok i check ... thx !
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xmrmatterbridge
<xmrhaelan> Does Monero's blockchain allow scanning of payment ids to see past transactions?
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xmrmatterbridge
<xmrhaelan> ^question from yesterday’s CoinTelegraph reporter
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moneromooo
You mean, can you look for a particular payment id ? If unencrypted, yes. If encrypted, no.
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moneromooo
There's a RPC for it. Unused now I expect. get_bulk_payments IIRC.
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xmrmatterbridge
<xmrhaelan> Ok. And just to be sure, payment IDs are typically used in one-time transactions, yes?
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yanmaani
sure hope so
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moneromooo
I don't know what a one time transaction is.
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alexanarcho[m]
iirc payment ids are really not used anymore, subaddresses for everyting
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moneromooo
I expect encrypted payment ids are still widely used.
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Inge-
but this particular one is long-form?
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xmrmatterbridge
<xmrhaelan> The story came out because the Treasury listed XMR on their sanction list. The writer wasn’t aware that it wasn’t an actual address..
home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/fin…l-sanctions/recent-actions/20200916
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alexanarcho[m]
maybe the reporter is wondering about how merchants do it, speaking for our project, we use subaddresses to identify if a given invoice has been payed
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Inge-
so stopped by most(all?) wallets? But as it is in txextra I presume it would still be *possible* to add a long form payment id to a tx? Or is it stopped by the protocol?
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Mochi101
I still use encrypted payment IDs
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moneromooo
It is possible to do so.
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Inge-
thx moo
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Mochi101
I <3 them.
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alexanarcho[m]
Mochi101: why?
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Mochi101
they're really easy
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Inge-
He is just lazy :P
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Mochi101
++
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xmrmatterbridge
<xmrhaelan> He is just clueless from what I can tell
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xmrmatterbridge
<xmrhaelan> And I thought I was clueless...
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xmrmatterbridge
<xmrhaelan> He’s wondering if any devs are willing to talk to him off-the-record?
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selsta
"He"?
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Inge-
lol. Why can't he just come on irc and ask. The only "off the record" in Monero is vulnerability mitigation AFAIK
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selsta
The cointelegraph reporter that still didn’t correct his article?
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sech1
He = Cointelegraph reporter?
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selsta
This reporter seems only interested in FUD, see this twitter headline:
twitter.com/cointelegraph/status/1306279445259587588
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selsta
"Their success in tracing transactions to and from the wallet"
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Inge-
they can only trace monero addresses beginning with %
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Inge-
5*
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xmrmatterbridge
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xmrmatterbridge
<xmrhaelan> Selsta I am trying to educate him so he can correct his article:
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selsta
thanks for doing this
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selsta
though why is he even making claims like this if he has no idea what he is writing about lol
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Inge-
par for the course in Crypto Media :(
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xmrmatterbridge
<xmrhaelan> He was reporting on the claims made by the Treasury dept. (see link above)
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xmrmatterbridge
<xmrhaelan> He drew some conclusions that he shouldn’t have, but he is clueless
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moneromooo
I am clueless about Ethereum. Can I get a salary writing about it then ?
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Inge-
probably.
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Thominus
propagandists don't care about the 10% of their audience that are knowledgeable enough to see through their BS, they rely on the 90% that uncritically accept the headline. So they just ignore you, - unless your voice has comparable reach to theirs then they slander you :)
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xmrmatterbridge
<xmrhaelan> His words: I do plan to update the article but if that payment ID is useless information and the above transactions are all that anyone will be able to find, I think that would merit a whole other story
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xmrmatterbridge
<xmrhaelan> He ran the payment ID through a block explorer and it just revealed a few hashes
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xmrmatterbridge
<xmrhaelan> He’s learning... hopefully...
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Inge-
Some block explorers let you search on payment ID?
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sech1
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moneromooo
Oh shit, that's my address!
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Inge-
cOOL
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Inge-
I'm still confused as to why someone would put a payment ID on an OFAC list.
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moneromooo
Well, guessing, it might make sense in this way:
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moneromooo
- long payment ids were used a lot for exhcanges to recognixe their customers
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moneromooo
- you want to screw that person
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Inge-
Not a bad guess.
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moneromooo
- you tell "whatever exchange you are, don't accept money from that customer of yours"
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moneromooo
say*
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sech1
but payment id were unique per receiver?
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Inge-
per depositor I'd say. Very few exchanges *require* a paymentid when withdrawing
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sech1
I mean receiver = exchange
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moneromooo
If you mean that person can send their money elsewhere, sure.
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moneromooo
However, the above doesn't really make sense either. If it's a payment id to an exchange, it kinda implies they know who the customer is, or they wouldn't know which tx it is.
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Inge-
"WTF? I had no idea what that was - it surely wasn't an address, so what did you expect me to do?" - if they meant it to be a payment ID it would really help everyone if they managed to state that...
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Thominus
trying to spook the customer into reacting?
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Inge-
Could be. I memorize all my payment ID's just in case.
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moneromooo
Right. Whoever laughs must be guilty.
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Inge-
Also, the newest transaction is Dec 2018 ..
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Inge-
I'm still curious if anyone can run some heuristics on these transactions and look for interesting patterns.
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xmrmatterbridge
<xmrhaelan> Well, looking at the list of “addresses” linked to that guy on the Treasury website, Monero wasn’t the only cryptocurrency. If he wasn’t using Monero exclusively then he may not have had the best opsec either
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Inge-
wait the other addresses were the same guy? wasn't there like a zec t-address as well?
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xmrmatterbridge
<xmrhaelan> That’s how I interpreted it.
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xmrmatterbridge
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Inge-
What is hte noncesense-lab channel name?
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moneromooo
#noncesense-research-lab
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Inge-
ah. missed -research
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xmrmatterbridge
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xmrmatterbridge
<xmrhaelan> They updated the article
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xmrmatterbridge
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xmrmatterbridge
<xmrhaelan> Regarding the IRS, @Cointelegraph says: “For the time being, it doesn't look like they know what they are doing.”
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xmrmatterbridge
<xmrhaelan> I extended the olive branch and offered to help fact check any Monero related content they intend to publish and they have indicated they would like to.
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xmrmatterbridge
<xmrhaelan> I am not a dev though, so in the future there may be things above my level of expertise. I’d love it if a few devs could make themselves available for this kind of thing....
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dEBRUYNE
What did they have to say about their sensationalist headline(s)?
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moneromooo
You can always paste me anything you want checked.
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godo-chan[m]
guys I got some infinite synchronization bug. I don't need to synchronize or do anything, right, the money is in the blockchain, and it is already linked to my wallet, right?
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godo-chan[m]
just received a transaction, so just wondering whether I have to do anything on my part
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moneromooo
You only need to scan if you want to spend it.
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moneromooo
As long as the tx hit the chain, you have the money, you can scan later to use it.
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moneromooo
Of course, you might want to scan to make sure if you do not trust the sender to have sent it.
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xmrmatterbridge
<xmrhaelan> Thanks moneromooo. dEBRUYNE we didn’t discuss their headlines, but I suspect they didn’t edit the title because it is already tied up in search algorithms
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moneromooo
What kind of a dishonest excuse is that....
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moneromooo
We can't fix it because it'd make our mistake not being amplified some more.
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moneromooo
Is this the bytecoin affiliated rag ? I always forget which one it is.
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dsc_
Views are more important than quality reporting - go figure ;')
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xmrmatterbridge
<xmrhaelan> Lol, you guys sure are critical
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luigi1111w
ct was bytecoin yeah
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luigi1111w
not sure who bought them now though
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yanmaani
moneromooo: it fucks your SEO if you do that
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yanmaani
that's also why you usually put out the headline first
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dsc_
And before you put out a headline, you do research :P
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yanmaani
So, if there's some terrorism going on, they have templates, and then they can just immediately put out "terrorist attack in X, more to follow"
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yanmaani
So they get a really good timestamp
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yanmaani
dsc_: no, that fucks the SEO, the timestamp gets worse if you do that
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moneromooo
Search engines display stuff with a lowest timestamp first ?
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yanmaani
you put out the headline, put out the article, and have someone proofread the article
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yanmaani
in that order
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dsc_
I've worked at my countries biggest newspaper, you don't have to explain :P
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yanmaani
moneromooo: it's incentivized - "who had the OC" sort of thing
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xmrmatterbridge
<xmrhaelan> I think it’s important not to conflate individuals within an organization with the organization itself. The two individuals I’ve spoken with so far seem to be uninformed, curious, and interested in doing better. I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt until they give me evidence not to...
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yanmaani
I don't think anyone here is malicious
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moneromooo
That sounds like our government. Put out targets, be surprised when people optimize to the targets rather than what they shuld be doing.
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yanmaani
I saw the article and it looked balanced enough
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moneromooo
Stupid cunts everywhere.
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yanmaani
which one?
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yanmaani
inb4 all of them
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moneromooo
What's an OC ?
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yanmaani
original content
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moneromooo
xmrhaelan: great way to be scammed :)
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moneromooo
Because the evidence usually comes in the shape of missing money...
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yanmaani
Journalists? Stealing money?
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yanmaani
don't be so paranoid man
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moneromooo
No, in general.
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yanmaani
By the way that's also why you often see bizarre obituaries
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yanmaani
Because they have pre-written obits for literally all public figures
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yanmaani
elections, same thing
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moneromooo
Therefore the occasional obits for living people. Never ceases to amuse.
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xmrmatterbridge
<xmrhaelan> Moneromoo fortunately the only loss from being “scammed” in this circumstance would be another shitty article from CoinTelegraph
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xmrmatterbridge
<xmrhaelan> The potential benefit outweighs the potential loss.
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nakedpony
(>^^)> <(^^<)
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Thominus
after enough shitty articles doesn't the potential benefit start to approach zero?
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xmrmatterbridge
<xmrhaelan> Unfortunately no. Innocent people still read them.
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Thominus
ah, yeah
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dEBRUYNE
xmrhaelen: They didn't use the title of the article as headline
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dEBRUYNE
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dEBRUYNE
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xmrmatterbridge
<xmrhaelan> Ahh I see what you mean. Yeah those are annoying.
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dEBRUYNE
Slight understatement
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nakedpony
what's FUD
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nakedpony
as in what does it mean?
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moneromooo
Facts U Dislike.
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moneromooo
Originally Fear, Undertainty and Doubt. Based off IBM and... Commodore IIRC ?
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nakedpony
ah, thanks! I keep seeing people use that. urban dictionary gave me... a very colorful and unlikely answer, which then became the only thing I could think of whenever seeing FUD
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midipoet
dsc_: I could sooooo imagine you as a cigarette smoking, street wise, connections at all the right street corners journalist hack
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dsc_
lol... no just a boring IT guy :P
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dsc_
Must say, it was the nicest job I ever had. No managers from hell. No unreasonable deadlines. It was all very chill. And we (software team) made great things because of it.
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midipoet
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midipoet
well I never ^
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Thominus
IBM invented it, Microsoft made an art of it :)
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Thominus
^re: "FUD"
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GoldenAngle
YoNero