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alexanarcho[m]
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alexanarcho[m]
Looking forward to hear your thoughts and please be sure to upvote if you like our work!
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endor00[m]
alexanarcho: nice proposal! Question: how would you make your users pay your service fee? Payment in advance, I assume?
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alexanarcho[m]
endor00: yes, we display a qr code/address after login if the month is not payed
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alexanarcho[m]
(of course you can avoid this fee by cloning the repo and hosting it yourself)
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endor00[m]
Would be cool if you also had an option to automate payment from the current balance (if available), so that a streamer would not need to make a monthly manual payment to keep the service up
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endor00[m]
But perhaps that's better left for a future improvement, and not the delivery of the MVP
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hundehausen[m]
We have no access to the streamer wallet, but he could interactive use his wallet to pay the monthly fee.
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endor00[m]
You don't have to, it would all be possible client-side. As soon as the user loads the wallet, the code checks the balance, and if balance > service fee you would automatically generate a payment tx
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endor00[m]
(If the option has been enabled - otherwise it falls back to the manual payment)
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alexanarcho[m]
very nice idea, like hundehausen said we cannot make payments, but if the streamer is logged in anyway it should be easy to issue a payment from the WASM wallet balance
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hundehausen[m]
that's a good idea
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endor00[m]
bonus: less risk of the user accidentally sending the money to a bad address due to error/clipboard malware
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alexanarcho[m]
yep, i really like the idea - thats the kind of feedback we are looking for!
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Thominus
from the last few lines of chat this sounds interesting - whats it about?
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xmrmatterbridge
<trasherdk> Do the streamer need to run a wallet rpc or will he connect to one at your server?
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endor00[m]
same goes for automated withdrawals to a user-specified wallet
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endor00[m]
hell, you could even make both payments (service withdrawal and deposit to cold storage) in a single tx
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alexanarcho[m]
TrasherDK: per default the streamer will connect to our full node, but we might implement the option to use another remote node
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alexanarcho[m]
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xmrmatterbridge
<trasherdk> So, the user wallet is "in memory" ?
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Thominus
alexanarcho[m]: thanks!
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alexanarcho[m]
TrasherDK: in the browser
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endor00[m]
Btw have you posted this proposal in r/monero? If not, you should!
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alexanarcho[m]
good idea! @ endor00 on it!
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Thominus
alexanarcho[m]: thats super cool - I'm a streamer myself and I was just recently working on a monero donation/support page, integrated with my channel's chat bot and twitch api
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hundehausen[m]
our service would fir perfectly for you
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alexanarcho[m]
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hundehausen[m]
* our service would fit perfectly for you, if you use OBS
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Thominus
yes OBS - I self host my chatbot, all my notification events and animations, scene control interface with obs websockets, so I kinda have fun with that stuff. I just made an integrated address generator, a dynamic monero donation page generator, and a trigger system with tx_notify for dono alerts
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Thominus
I wanted to put monero at the top of the support options to try and help awareness/adoption of it
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Inge-
It would be really cool to tip popular twitch streamers with xmr
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raecarruth
you think twitch streamers care about privacy?
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raecarruth
people who put their lives online for all to see? o_0
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Inge-
I don't really care what they think about privacy. But easy tipping with xmr that anyone can do, would be good for eyeballs
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raecarruth
my point is - why would they?
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raecarruth
people get into xmr because they value privacyc
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raecarruth
those who don't value privacy will not care, they'll go for whatever is popular
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raecarruth
and convenient
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moneromooo
Why would anyone use a computer if they're not a programmer ? Make them useful enough, and they will.
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raecarruth
o_0
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raecarruth
how does that equate to what i wrote?
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moneromooo
It does not. It is a simile.
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raecarruth
A simile is a figure of speech that directly compares two things. Similes differ from metaphors by highlighting the similarities between two things
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moneromooo
Yes, that's the one :)
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Inge-
I really like buying digital goods and NOT having to provide my CC info and home address and shit. some email + pay xmr, done.
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raecarruth
yes, that's you
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raecarruth
and most of the others in here
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raecarruth
but that's not the majority
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moneromooo
Your point is unclear. Are you saying people should not try to make monero useful for people who don't particularly care about privacy ?
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moneromooo
You're not *saying* that, but the broad strokes kinda imply it.
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moneromooo
AFAICT, the person doing this is trying to make it useful enough that those people will find a use for it.
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raecarruth
who said that they shouldn't
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raecarruth
i asked why would they?
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moneromooo
Noone, if you read what I saud.
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moneromooo
I'm asking whether you did :)
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moneromooo
Feel free to reply;l
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dsc_
I applaud any attempt at making Monero useful for whatever target audience ^^
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moneromooo
Making something useful to more people than just the ones who are into the "root" raison d'etre is useful. That's what is being tried AFAICT.
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moneromooo
(hence the simile, which apparently didn't work)
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moneromooo
Anyway, whatver, I have work to do ^_^
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moneromooo
Ah, no, not yet. chaingen_main still. Monster to build.
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moneromooo
Tests must be both the greatest thing and the worst. Depending on whether they pass.
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nakedpony
<raecarruth> I do think twitch streamers care about privacy. Do they disclose how much they're making on the platform from tips? I haven't seen that happening. It also helps avoid people tracking who's donating to that twitch streamer
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dsc_
correction: *almost* all target audiences ^^
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dsc_
in the case of Twitch, IIRC. the payments usually go through streamlabs (?) and when you donate, you can actually *see* the email address of who you donated to (don't ask me why I know this)
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dsc_
some sort of integration with Monero would be very awesome.
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dsc_
And imo where something like Monero shines (internet donations)
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dsc_
Which brings me to another brainfart
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nakedpony
moneromoo: I think it's correct to say the majority isn't very interested in privacy, and don't view it as a priority. It's probably also true that the majority doesn't think about privacy or understand why it's important. I do think there's important nuance, though: Privacy does affect the majority in important ways, and providing privacy is extremely valuable whether or not people understand why. I also think there's
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nakedpony
probably going to be something that can quickly change the majority's attitude, once something makes the value of privacy becomes obvious to them
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dsc_
VLC (
videolan.org/contribute.html) accept donations in Monero, and lots of other *well known* do too
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dsc_
Is there some sort of library where I can lookup which FOSS projects are accepting Monero?
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nakedpony
fyi/reminder: fluffypony will be speaking today at 2:30mst on a panel at Crypto Privacy Conference zoom meeting
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fluffypony
indeed
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fluffypony
2:40pm, so in a few mins
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Thominus
raecarruth: I care very much about privacy, I care about having the choice to excersize it, streaming doesn't mean you don't care about privacy.
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dsc_
link to zoom meeting thing?
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Inge-
for a moment I thought fluffy was waiting on the fed to speak
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fluffypony
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Inge-
only on zoom?
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fluffypony
yes I don't think they're re-broadcasting anywhere
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fluffypony
just started
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dsc_
does the meeting "lag" for any of you?
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nakedpony
working well for me
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moneromooo
Providing a private currency to people who don't care about privacy helps my privacy, so I'm all for it :)
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Thominus
:)
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moneromooo
I can't wait till the privacy pendulum reverts to the mean. Living in this fucking panopticon pisses me off.
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_I3^RELATIVISM
gonna take a while for awareness to rise to that
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fluffypony
you mean you don't like facial recognition cameras everywhere?
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fluffypony
:-P
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nakedpony
I can see it flourishing really quickly in niche economies. Look at these protests around the country. They seem like they'd be keen to use a "people's currency" if they believe they're opposing a "fascist government"
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Thominus
I honestly can barely comprehend the extent to which value in individual privacy has diminished. Its become dystopian. Its happening with free speech also.
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nakedpony
what's weird to me is that I don't feel like I've changed into a privacy radical. The world around me changed over like two decades
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nakedpony
and everyone is just going along with it
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Thominus
thats exactly correct nakedpony
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moneromooo
Sometimes I wish a really bad privacy invasion happens. Like rounding up everyone who did something long ago. It's fighting fire with fire, but if we've reacjed this point I'm not sure what else can slap people back into sanity.
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Thominus
it is happening moneromooo but slowly - boiling the frog
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moneromooo
Oh, reminds me.
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moneromooo
A few days ago, there was outrage about some Chinese company who had been making a db of vcarious stuff about people.
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zib
im sad i cant find the db anywhere :(
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nakedpony
Yeah, but it would have to be huge. the Experian hack wasn't enough... and that was huge. and it was information that wasn't even directly provided to Experian. There was just a company, somewhere, having all this sensitive data on millions of people... and let it get stolen. And all people got was a free subscription to identify theft monitoring services
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moneromooo
But (though I did not really look further) the claim was that it was info from facebook, twatter, and various other social media.
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moneromooo
I mean, it pissed me off people were only starting to be mad when it was a Chinese company and not before.
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moneromooo
It's like wtd did you expect
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» moneromooo should step back from irc for a bit
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nakedpony
!! right
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zib
mainstream media found out that there's something called crawlers and were outraged
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moneromooo
And yeah, fuck experian so much
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dsc_
hear hear
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zib
meanwhile i used massscan to scan the entire internet yday under 4h
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zib
:D
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moneromooo
and choicepoint
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dsc_
zib: ipv4 can be done under a hour
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zib
dsc_: yeah my hw sucks
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dsc_
with zmap and 2gbit ;p
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zib
well yeah
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zib
can be dome with masscan and pf_ring also
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dsc_
moneromooo: I hope you are not listening to this Zoom meeting, because you'd get more upset :)
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dsc_
fluffy is doing great though
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Batoeh
Hey guys. I thin last time I was here someone posted a really nice way to view the crypto prices from the terminal. Well I think it was just curl with a really neat and kiss site. That sound familiar to anyone?
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asy
Batoeh: `curl btc.rate.sx`
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Batoeh
YEAH! Thans so much asy.
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asy
:D
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ndorf
even better: curl
rate.sx/xmr (with chart)
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nakedpony
the Crypto Privacy Conference is going well, and they're doing a good job of articulating the value of privacy by default as an important feature. One thing they're not quite hitting is that BTC does have an advantage as a store of value because monero trades privacy for verifiability
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hyc
nonsense
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hyc
how is monero any less verifiable than bitcoin?
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nakedpony
you can check the blockchain and see how much there is
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nakedpony
for btc
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hyc
you can do the same for monero
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ndorf
you can do the same for monero? coinbase txes are public
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ndorf
jinx, heh
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nakedpony
I'm going to get back to reading the books then. I must be misinformed
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hyc
bitcoin has 1st mover / network effect. none of that is any technological advantage
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hyc
it is certainly a significant advantage at the moment
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hyc
but popularity is fleeting
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hyc
and in every technological measure, bitcoin has no advantage over monero
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ndorf
some pretty sizable disadvantages, though
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nakedpony
the break-out moment for monero is when it becomes useful as a "people's currency." Aside from being part of fiat exchange ramp, why else would you want to convert your XMR to BTC aside from speculation?
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Thominus
the openness of bitcoin is only advantageous for traders, bankers, and regulators, making it a toy for open market trading, while its done it zero favours to helping its utility as a means of currency.
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ndorf
you can exchange fiat for XMR directly on e.g. Kraken. no need for BTC
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alexanarcho[m]
assuming xmr has sound maths and implementation of ringCT, monero is just as verifiable as bitcoin. in my discussions with toxic maximalists this is an assumption they are not willing to make
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Inge-
nakedpony: I think hyc/ndorf overstate their position slightly - as you can't as easily verify that transaction amounts are correct. Well, some mathematicians can - I hear the math is solid. But it also depends on the implementation not including unfound bugs that could lead to transaction amounts not being correctly checked, so theoretically you have slightly less sound verification of amounts in
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Inge-
transactions, for privacy.
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alexanarcho[m]
also as for the livestream bot, i see many advantages not just privacy, cheap, fast tx, seemless UX for online donations, key ownership...
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nakedpony
thanks Inge I think that clarification helps reconcile what I thought I knew with what they were informing me!
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Thominus
alexanarcho[m]: agree about the livestream bot - monero's structure and its tools could hardly be more ideal, The integrated address and payment id is perfect for this, and the rpc wallet with tx notify is perfect to trigger alert event - I can set its service script to trigger whatever notification event in the bot I want after however many confirmations I choose, and everything is very easy to separate and isolate for security