does anyone know what cake wallet uses as backend for xmr trading to other coins?

or is that classified info (tm)

xmr.to

morphtoken

and changenow

thanks

o7

i'm like 95% sure

might want to see if anyone confirms it

no no, you already specified the services. No turning back now

crap

why didnt i say ALLEGEDLY

you're responsible now

better get some data to back up my claims

thanks

xmrscott[m]: tmux + irssi is the future!

RSSI, or “Received Signal Strength Indicator,” is a measurement of how well your device can hear a signal from an access point or router.

nvm, I forgot the 'i'

<Inge- "xmrscott: tmux + irssi is the fu"> No. IRC is insecure and shouldn't exist anymore.

"But you're writing in public room anyways."

^This my kids is was we call a total retard.

* "But you're writing in public room anyways."

^This my kids is what we call a total retard.

irc is insecure ... but the other services linked to irc are still pushing data here?

getting mitm'd is the future

Meeting in 2 hours

sgp_: is it going to be in this chat room?

Yes

thanks

there is also a meeting in -defcon at the same time

niocbrrrrrr: you mean monero-defcon, or?

is that being relayed to matrix?

was announced in monero-defcon I see a matrix person there

niocbrrrrrr: I am unable to see the matrix room address of monero-defcon

can that matrix person link it to me?

xmrscott[m]: ^^^^^

"dixie__flatline" (matrix.to/#/@dixie__flatline:halogen.city): Are you using desktop client?

xmrscott: yes

I also have on the android

So within the desktop client, when you search for rooms change source from Matrix in dropdown to freenode

xmrscott: I haven't added freenode to my room sources. What is its URL?

Actually, apparently this.might work: "#freenode_#monero-defcon:matrix.org" (matrix.to/#/#freenode_#monero-defcon:matrix.org)

freenode is in there by default

But you would then type #monero-defcon and hit enter

(Just for future reference for any freenode based channels, although new Element client may have made things easier)

Has only been packaged for desktop for Debian ironically, not Arch yet TMK, at least as of 12 hours ago

defcon starts 1 hr after community starts

Correct, 18UTC

says 17UTC at top of page

Ah, glad that got changed so it doesn’t conflict with community meeting

Don’t want to pull people from either

Yes, for future reference DC28 is pretty much always going to be 18UTC unless it conflicts with Coffee Chat

Coffee Chat isn't ever at 18 UTC so we should be good

hello everyone, community meeting time!

0. Introduction

Community meetings are a time to share updated and receive feedback on projects

also a reason for needmoney90 to get up on Saturdays :p

1. Greetings

Hola

hi

Hi (i'm having connectivity issues. There might be some delay with my posts)

Hi all

hello everyone

Joining from Matrix now :)

This is “fort3hlulz” FYI

no [m] anymore?

Had some weird nick issues with Matrix that resolves when I changed it to the current nick

It normally defaults to adding a [m] AFAICT

Yeah, welcome to matrix :P

it used to, not sure if it still does

it does, it's just a default though and can easily be changed

cool, TIL

always annoyed me having [m] next to my name on freenode

do i have a letter next to my name?

okay, 2. community highlights

🙂 i use it to make people know if i'm writing from matrix or IRC

here's another plug for our website communityworkgroup.org

Shameless shill

I love the building block logo

I am giving a talk at the University of Zurich (livestream) on Monday morning

yeah i't very nice

all about Monero, privacy threat modeling

Anything worth tuning in for?

You said morning

sgp_: very good. Where the livestream be published?

haha there will be a recording, so no reason to watch live

I'll upload to the MCW channel

Cool

sgp_: is MCW a youtube channel?

OK

final highlight: the Defcon workgroup is busy planning, with a meeting in #monero-defcon after this meeting

Does anyone else have a community highlight?

Today i posted this: gitlab.tails.boum.org/tails/tails/-/issues/17823

waiting for an answer

besides sethsimmons's ChainTalkTV interview github.com/fort3hlulz/Miscellaneous…Monero/blob/master/Monero%20FAQ.pdf

Was just gonna mention that :)

Seemed to go well and we got an invite to a summit they’re hosting in September

Details TBD

ErCiccione[m]: awesome, keep us updated and let us know how we can assist if needed

For sure!

sethsimmons: nice

Will do

oh yeah, rehrar also ranted about DeFi at one of those conferences haha

Monero community has been doing a good job getting exposure recently. Keep it up :)

Seems like there are more of us each week these days :)

3. CCS updates

nothing in funding required anymore (ErCiccione[m] was fully-funded)

v1docq47: video creation / translations into russian (august 2020 - january 2021) repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/154

Thanks everybody. Was funded super quickly :)

I asked for a kanban board for their previous proposal, and they are still using it, which I super appreciate trello.com/b/9DqTv1Zr/august-2020-january-2021

my previous board where I continue my work - trello.com/b/pkJOLiEx/february-july-2020

I put a thumb up to v1docq47's proposal

those MoneroKon voiceover videos are pretty cool

I would not have thought to do that

we have this proposal posted only 49 minutes ago:

Implementing New Range Proof Technique Bulletproofs+ in Monero repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/156

I imagine this will mostly be an MRL discussion (ping sarang so he sees it)

Yeah, would wait for them before discussing it

Isthmus

Huh, really cool to see an external researcher propose to implement it themselves

But absolutely needs a lot of MRL input/oversight I would think

Idk if that's even the direction MRL wants to go

I think we have three different schemes up in the air atm

is this the first time someone else has offered to code up something that they researched?

The first I have seen.

yeah, bulletproofs+ are a contender but I think there are other options, ways of doing it, etc

sgp_ Fireice :P

iirc we haven't determined we even want this yet

Lol

anyway, too early to discuss during this meeting really, but I wanted to mention it to get it on everyone's radar

I also wanted to share that I finished mastering monero translation yesterday

Nice!

nice

it's been reviewed by nelsonrenan up to chap 5

and I asked botoserelepe to look at it too

link is here

who is nelsonrenan? i don't recognize the nick

he is only active on telegram

but also worked some translations on weblate

you may see his nickname there

sgp_: Should we posted that proposal to Reddit too in order to invoke extended discussion?

ok, cool

dEBRUYNE: too premature imo

agree

people don't have a good overview of options yet

OK

netrik182[m]: are you going to do a PR to monerobook/monerobook?

That CCS proposal needs a costs statement

450 XMR at the moment (~$30k)

Isthmus: repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/156

sgp, Russian translation of ММ is waiting to be merged ;) (monerobook/monerobook #81)

I think we can move on to the next CCS "pre-proposal"

v1docq47[m]: yup thanks :)

by TheFuzzStone

sgp_: yes, I will do it

in general, I agree with ErCiccione[m] that translating things for for-profit companies should be broken out if possible

At first glance Bulletproofs+ looks interesting, and the proposal looks thoughtful.

Would want input from -dev and -lab, but it has my interest

No rpo

s/rpo/repo

But has more info here: linkedin.com/in/suyashbagad

Could we get Suyash on IRC perhaps?

Or Matrix ;)

+1

I mentioned to TheFuzzStone that I want to see more initiatives/ideas in the proposal if possible. The main goal imo should be growing the Russian community, not translations (though that will be a part)

I have "update BP to BP+" on my list already

But this should not be the sole reason to decide on such a CCS

BP+ has undergone no formal peer review afaik

sarang: if it's on your list maybe might make sense to have somebody else taking care of it. You could focus on other stuff and we could attract other researchers at the same time

I like fuzzstone and he seems pretty cheap but it almost reads like he is asking to be paid for things he has done in the past

whenever it's appropriate discuss, sup with this one? repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/145

endogenic: it's been so long I don't remmeber haha

Hi all! :)

a month?

I would need to look at logs

oh i figured discussion would be on the the MR

the the the

I like his work too, but i would like to see all the for-profit parts removed before re-evaluating it

May 19

jwinterm: Can you be more specific please about what you mean? The things I've indicated don't exist at the moment.

TheFuzzStone[m]: maybe making a kanban would make explaining what you will work on easier :)

can we make a decision here on MR 145?

omg so do i

ErCiccione: got ya. When I edit my proposal, where can I discuss it?

TheFuzzStone[m]: typically that's what the CCS repo is for

^

sgp_: Ok, then I will make Trello or its FOSS-analog and remove the for-profit companies.

already funded ^^^^

wut

huh

yeah that was funded a while ago

thanks. that UI confused me

And has had multiple updates in MRL meetings

meow

but it does say it's in WIP. :)

oh nooo the cats have taken over nioc's machine

Endogenic just look for merged on the bottom of the MR

has been funded so now he is working on it

WIP means it's funded and people are working on it

hmm, I'm struggling to find the discussion on 145

it was already funded tho

was discussed here and reddittttt

niocbrrrrrr: ah thanks

was there some sort of disagreement or?

I missedthe merge

and didn't check on the CCS site

okay, any final CCS comments?

you guy just made a senile person feel good

thx

lol

nioc that's just the toxoplasmosis

TheFuzzStone[m], kind of just seems like continuation of what you've been doing, but now do same thing but get paid

which I am not saying you shouldn't be compensated

love the workgroup logo

clearly is fluffy in that illustration

Isn't that how most of our stuff works tho, jw?

I do agree that it's kind of weird to basically do work for third-party wallets that are maintained by companies

needmoney90, yes

jwinterm: Mostly yes, you're right. I'm gonna keep doing what I do, but I'm gonna spend more time with Monero. That's my plan.

Prove you can do something -> get paid for it eventuallg

Once you have a track record

yea, fair enough

Feels par for the course unless I'm missing something

I'm just a miserly jerk

:P

:)

hey, any C++ or Rust devs here looking for a dope paid project?

sudden idea endogenic

Probably not the right channel or time for that question :P

but it's related to monero

time though... when is right time

let's save that for open ideas time

ok

gracias

4. Workgroup report

a. Daemon/CLI/GUI workgroup

selsta?

dev meeting tomorrow to discuss all this stuff

^ it's an important one

yes, absolutely attend

jwinterm: I'll remove from my proposal the third-party wallets.

we can move on to b. Localization workgroup

Sgp_ should we tweet that from the MCW Twitter?

yeah

That should probably get broad attendance/visibility

I should have tweeted this meeting too but forgot

Yeah would be nice to tweet out all meetings :) Which I guess I can do now too haha

use #MoneroMeeting for consistency

Sounds good

What is MCW, Monero Community Workgroup?

Yes

ErCiccione[m]: any updates on the localization workgroup?

Nothing new really. Outreach has some new documents to translate. Everything is here: github.com/monero-ecosystem/outreach-docs

and of course: translate.getmonero.org

It's up as usual waiting for translators :)

That's it

c. Website workgroup

I posted an update on reddit few days ago:https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/hp78v2/getmoneroorg_updated_revamped_homepage_netlify/

FYI my work on the website stopped for about ten days and started again last week. My CCS was adapted accordingly

ErCiccione[m], monero-ecosystem/outreach-docs #211

As usual i ask people to review pull requests.

cool cool

anyone from outreach here?

sarang want to give an update?

v1docq47[m]: Yeah i saw that one, i'm waiting for lh1008's review before merging

We can go to 5. Open ideas time

*crickets*

Only thing I’d like to mention is if you’re on Twitter a helpful campaign (I think) that has seen good engagement is #DidYouKnowMonero

no one ever has any ideas :p

ey

no one indeed

Which I’ve been using to describe lesser known/core info about Monero as a project and a protocol.

yeah any talented C++/Rust devs looking for a remote Monero gig with high impact lmk

Would welcome anyone else on Twitter to jump in :)

sethsimmons: I've been kinda pessimistic about that hashtag, but looks like others like it

What don’t you like?

Always open to feedback

Do a GoFundMe for Twitter advertising, maybe get the coveted Monero icon emoji?

idk.... hard to explain

xmrscott[m]: twitter is the new coinbase

when atomic hashtags

<xmrscott[m] "Do a GoFundMe for Twitter advert"> I have no idea whats actually needed, Cake even offered to pay for it

anyone see this? lol twitter.com/MoneroMemes/status/1284176676692402177

But you must need some special contacts or something

So good lmao

sethsimmons: that's huge money

Allegedly 50k and contacting people on the Twitter advertising page

~$50k

where does that kind of money come from

Not my business :)

I have a few accounts that have spent enough on Twitter ads to have a support rep, so maybe Vik can work through those

Would be cool to get honestly if people (or Vik) will fund it

if that is indeed how the process begins

sethsimmons: that's not the point though.. if there's 50k for a hashtag...

anyway

well, open ideas time

an investor approached me after seeing my Konferenco talk

anyone who wants to work on Monero let me know.

gotta bounce, .bbl

it's grumpy time for me but i'm not a huge fan of cake on twitter. I recently unfollowed them becasue they were spamming my feed with super low quality stuff (which they put a like on or retweeted)

all right

but yeah i get easily irritated :P

:P

"all right" wasn't directed at you lol

:)

yeah i guessed :)

I suppose we can wrap up then to allow people time to get over to #monero-defcon. Go to the bathroom, make coffee, etc

Thanks for running, sgp_

6. Confirm next meeting date/time

August 1, 17 UTC

Coffee Chat next week July 25, 17 UTC

7. Conclusion

the community is doing great, keep it up!

Great meeting sgp_, thank you.

thanks for being here

Thankful for all the hard work each and every one of you put in!

Crazy that this project is community driven.

And that it works pretty darn well :)

Would anyone be interested in a monero Mastodon instance?

hmm, that could be good but also not very good

I just got on Matrix :’(

good because it would be great to communicate more securely or whatever

I know Twitter gets a lot of hate, I own monerocommunity . org, could launch it as a test

bad because we would be isolated from everyone else

Ciao everybody, gotta go eat

xmrscott[m]: it's YOU that owns that domain? lmao

Monero Village at Defcon 28 (Safe Mode) is starting on #monero-defcon.

I had to settle on communityworkgroup.org

Yes, I've said it several times, even highlighted you before you created the calendar thing

it's probably my fault yeah

I can give it to you if you'd like

Hi

let me think about it

But I'm serious about Mastodon

would only whitelisted users be able to set up an account or anyone?

We could federate w/ most of the other instances (bar Nazi ones or whatever, who knows about that though, 'free speech' is always going to be spikey)

Thanks 4 modding justin

what are the most popular existing mastodon servers?

sgp_: However is deemed best

<xmrscott[m] "We could federate w/ most of the"> +1 for mastodon, and I agree about avoiding Nazis, communists, facists,...

Big ones are going to be mastodon.social maybe fosstodon.org

Maybe mastodon.technology

I do have a concern about the federation stuff

That being, explicitly not allowing some federations means we're picking a political stance

I'm okay taking a political stance if it means the site is usable

In the case of no nazis that's fairly uncontroversial, but it makes me question the line.

the line is always the question

Do we allow liberal servers?

If we ban right/conservative ones...

Yeah, although one could argue that we just follow the policy set by mastodon (which allows us to be listed on the join/explore list: joinmastodon.org/covenant)

not the extreme liberal ones

that covenant is fair imo

Also, FWIW I own the @monero handles on mastodon.social and mastodon.technology

(Mainly because I was afraid of someone like FI or whatever claiming them when Mastodon first launched

)

Should people just want to utilize one of those for Monero presence rather than launch a Mastodon instance ourselves

can we auto-post the same content that's shared on Twitter?

that's the bare minimum of course

<needmoney90 "If we ban right/conservative one"> Just get away from authoritarian ones, left or right

sgp_: So that's part of the problem, that could be considered bot-like which is why I've avoided it in the past

I wish it was that easy.

I haven't looked at it for a year, and part of why I'm tempted to launch our own instance (can use monerocommunity.org for distancing purposes or whatever from getmonero.org) so we can set our own policy

(bot-ing-ish things are generally frowned upon in most instances)

what if you post to mastodon and mirror to twitter?

That would be acceptable, although I don't know offhand how the mirrorbot handles things that exceed Twitter char limits (toots can be like 500 char)

Happy to give who has access to Twitter account access to either mastodon.social or mastodon.technology account though to mirror onto Twitter

The positive side of the pandemic is I now have time to manually mirror Twitter to Mastodon I suppose now that I'm WFH until probably Feb at the earliest

shouldnt you be able to run jitsi from element client now that its integrated and all?

endogenic: “19:51 <endogenic> yeah any talented C++/Rust devs looking for a remote Monero gig with high impact lmk” what’s the task and the payment?

let's chat

hmmm i need to set up another email. can you DM me your email or your CV?