Combinations of what?

It's always: Soon, almost and nearly with those guys.

I guess we'll find out when we listen to the MoneroTalk episode he just recorded

<TrasherDK "It's always: Soon, almost and ne"> He is referring to Cash Fusion being funded yesterday

You can agree or disagree, but his comment makes sense

I still think that optional privacy is a problem, f.e. it can be outlawed, and monero privacy by default is where it is at

Mumuks[m]: combinations of what?

<rbrunner7> As this is a CoinJoin, probably more combinations of inputs?

selsta: for the user is similar to coinjoin, but apparently it uses a different mathematical scheme that makes it untraceable

I have no looked into the mathematics, so I can not speak for myself, but I have not seen any serious debunk of it

Now they have raised money to have a third party mathematically analyze the scheme to make sure it does what it promises

I was just curious what he is talking about, there will be more potential combinations than there are atoms in the universe of what?

I think someone from monero with the mathematical knowledge should give it a look

selsta: I can not answer to that as I have not check the mathematics of Cash Fusion

I don’t think cashfusion is particularly interesting for monero.

selsta: As it seems it is some sort of CoinJoin scheme, I would say "combinations of inputs for transactions"

selsta: why?

rbrunner: possible but the comment does not seem very precise :P

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Yeah, right, but then marketing does not have to be very precise, impressing people with the whole universe is allowed anytime :)

Mumuks[m]: No privacy improvements over Monero and seems like there are some kind of mixing servers involved

<selsta "Mumuks: No privacy improvements "> Coinjoin uses mixing servers but monero does the same inside the protocol. If cash fusion is superior as the claim, it might be worth a watch to see if the scheme they use could be used to improve monero

where do they claim that it is superior to Monero?

They claim is superior to coin join and as far as I understand, the coin join and monero schemes are the same idea

not really

monero ring signatures are non interactive

also monero uses more than just ring signatures (ring ct, stealth addresses)

Yes, but both use the idea of using different input transactions to mix the outputs

CashFusion claims to improve the anonymity set of the mixing

It might be that the cash fusion scheme is not useful for monero, but I think it is worth it to take a look at the mathematics

Because those "mathematics" might be useful for Monero?

"CashFusion provides high levels of privacy via a flexible scheme that allows an arbitrary number of inputs and outputs of non-standard amounts. It provides anonymous, trustless coordination with usually zero-knowledge of linkages revealed to other players or the server." Hi, actually Monero can do the same thing. It's called TxTangle and presented in latest edition of Zero to Monero :)

UkoeHB_: great

Most of the 'mathematics' in the coinjoin/etc schemes is related to confusing input/output amount groupings since amounts are in clear text. Monero uses Pedersen commitments so it's not really a concern

Would it need a hard fork and how probable is for monero to implement it?

No hard fork, significant development effort for questionable gain

I see

hard fork doesn't matter in monello world. there's no equivalent to a crusty old bitcoin-knots 0.8.0 node still chugging away in someone's basement

Mumuks[m]: Monero doesn't mix any coins. It just hides which of the inputs is actually used.

It's a bit hard to estimate how useful txtangle might be, since we don't have an analysis of ring sizes

Inge-: which could be defined as mixing, but I don't really care about the nomenclature

(I answered in the wrong room)

UkoeHB_: good to know monero is on top of it all

the donation page for this is now working........

Brrr brr

I was recommended to make a transifex for letting people translate ZtM2, but it doesn't seem very compatible with latex. Any suggestions?

maybe it's best for people to just create a new repository for their translations