00:17:57 <geonic> https://twitter.com/rogerkver/status/1246938984489668609?s=20
00:17:58 <monerobux> [ Roger Ver on Twitter: "Bitcoin Cash transactions will soon have privacy so strong that there will be more potential combinations than there are atoms in the universe! 1. Fast 2. Cheap 3. Reliable 4. P ] - twitter.com
00:43:49 <sarang> Combinations of what?
02:49:23 <TrasherDK> It's always: Soon, almost and nearly with those guys.
04:54:35 <geonic> I guess we'll find out when we listen to the MoneroTalk episode he just recorded
05:09:54 <Mumuks[m]> <TrasherDK "It's always: Soon, almost and ne"> He is referring to Cash Fusion being funded yesterday
05:10:23 <Mumuks[m]> You can agree or disagree, but his comment makes sense
05:11:18 <Mumuks[m]> I still think that optional privacy is a problem, f.e. it can be outlawed, and monero privacy by default is where it is at
05:14:52 <selsta> Mumuks[m]: combinations of what?
05:15:59 <xmrmatterbridge> <rbrunner7> As this is a CoinJoin, probably more combinations of inputs?
05:22:13 <Mumuks[m]> selsta: for the user is similar to coinjoin, but apparently it uses a different mathematical scheme that makes it untraceable
05:22:54 <Mumuks[m]> I have no looked into the mathematics, so I can not speak for myself, but I have not seen any serious debunk of it
05:23:46 <Mumuks[m]> Now they have raised money to have a third party mathematically analyze the scheme to make sure it does what it promises
05:24:04 <selsta> I was just curious what he is talking about, there will be more potential combinations than there are atoms in the universe of what?
05:24:12 <Mumuks[m]> I think someone from monero with the mathematical knowledge should give it a look
05:24:49 <Mumuks[m]> selsta: I can not answer to that as I have not check the mathematics of Cash Fusion
05:27:04 <selsta> I don’t think cashfusion is particularly interesting for monero.
05:29:08 <rbrunner> selsta: As it seems it is some sort of CoinJoin scheme, I would say "combinations of inputs for transactions"
05:29:21 <Mumuks[m]> selsta: why?
05:36:56 <selsta> rbrunner: possible but the comment does not seem very precise :P
05:37:18 <selsta> tweet*
05:38:21 <rbrunner> Yeah, right, but then marketing does not have to be very precise, impressing people with the whole universe is allowed anytime :)
05:39:37 <selsta> Mumuks[m]: No privacy improvements over Monero and seems like there are some kind of mixing servers involved
05:42:17 <Mumuks[m]> <selsta "Mumuks: No privacy improvements "> Coinjoin uses mixing servers but monero does the same inside the protocol. If cash fusion is superior as the claim, it might be worth a watch to see if the scheme they use could be used to improve monero
05:42:46 <selsta> where do they claim that it is superior to Monero?
05:43:36 <Mumuks[m]> They claim is superior to coin join and as far as I understand, the coin join and monero schemes are the same idea
05:43:45 <selsta> not really
05:44:12 <selsta> monero ring signatures are non interactive
05:45:37 <selsta> also monero uses more than just ring signatures (ring ct, stealth addresses)
05:45:56 <Mumuks[m]> Yes, but both use the idea of using different input transactions to mix the outputs
05:46:20 <Mumuks[m]> CashFusion claims to improve the anonymity set of the mixing
05:47:12 <Mumuks[m]> It might be that the cash fusion scheme is not useful for monero, but I think it is worth it to take a look at the mathematics
05:51:08 <rbrunner> Because those "mathematics" might be useful for Monero?
09:13:41 <UkoeHB_> "CashFusion provides high levels of privacy via a flexible scheme that allows an arbitrary number of inputs and outputs of non-standard amounts. It provides anonymous, trustless coordination with usually zero-knowledge of linkages revealed to other players or the server." Hi, actually Monero can do the same thing. It's called TxTangle and presented in latest edition of Zero to Monero :)
09:14:53 <Mumuks[m]> UkoeHB_: great
09:15:08 <UkoeHB_> Most of the 'mathematics' in the coinjoin/etc schemes is related to confusing input/output amount groupings since amounts are in clear text. Monero uses Pedersen commitments so it's not really a concern
09:15:51 <Mumuks[m]> Would it need a hard fork and how probable is for monero to implement it?
09:16:39 <UkoeHB_> No hard fork, significant development effort for questionable gain
09:17:01 <Mumuks[m]> I see
09:22:51 <asymptotically> hard fork doesn't matter in monello world. there's no equivalent to a crusty old bitcoin-knots 0.8.0 node still chugging away in someone's basement
09:22:57 <Inge-> Mumuks[m]: Monero doesn't mix any coins. It just hides which of the inputs is actually used.
09:36:15 <UkoeHB_> It's a bit hard to estimate how useful txtangle might be, since we don't have an analysis of ring sizes
09:45:21 -xmr-pr- [css-proposals] moeen opened pull request #135: Persian localization
09:45:21 -xmr-pr- > https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/135
09:57:28 <Mumuks[m]> Inge-: which could be defined as mixing, but I don't really care about the nomenclature
09:57:39 <Mumuks[m]> (I answered in the wrong room)
09:58:01 <Mumuks[m]> UkoeHB_: good to know monero is on top of it all
14:24:39 <niocbrrrrrr> the donation page for this is now working........
14:24:42 <niocbrrrrrr> https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/erciccione-website1.html
18:37:43 <geonic> Brrr brr
20:05:46 <UkoeHB_> I was recommended to make a transifex for letting people translate ZtM2, but it doesn't seem very compatible with latex. Any suggestions?
20:08:26 <asymptotically> maybe it's best for people to just create a new repository for their translations