Hi

needmonero90: My mistake is probably to think that somebody who makes racist statements is universally considered a despicable person. Sadly, this sitaton made me realize that it't not the case. I refuse the notion that using the word "despicable" in this context means "dictating consensus" or that "doesn't reflect decentralized ethos".

Or avoid stepping in, if that's your thing -> I step in, if nobody else does and i will keep doing it.

I would appreciate removing emotivd language from our minutes.

Despicable is an unnecessary and charged word.

Emotive*

What other word would you prefer?

Just 'an individual' is fine

His transgressions are covered in the next lines

I think this is a pointless change, but i will do it, just because all this drama already consumed my liver.

Thank you

It will make the discussion hopefully more focused on the actual issues at hand

When is the meeting? 18utc?

It won't make any difference. That's why i was ok with changing it (even if how i said, it's disappointing)

yes

Sometimes you have to call a spade a spade

that's exactly my point. Being neutral for the sake of it is just wrong

we're not a government. we're not bound to give freedom of speech to everyone.

You can't remain neutral in hte face of oppression, that just puts you on the side of the oppressors

my liver feels a bit better now, thanks hyc

Meeting about /r/moneromining and quality of the monero chats happening in this channel in ~30 minutes

sgp_ binaryfate needmonero90 ^

Thanks for the ping

Thx

dEBRUYNE as well

And gingeropolous

Since this involves the /r/Monero sidebar and stuff

Hyc while I agree, I do not think the agenda of a meeting should be subjective. I'm fine with it happening in the meeting, but the agenda has, in my mind, some expectation of objectivity/laying out the points of discussion, and not picking sides

I guess, in this instance, I agree. the wording in the agenda was unnecessary

Fair to say that it was unnecessary, if that's the feeling. I refuse to accept that it's something subjective.

Good/evil *are* inherently subjective

I think most of the world agreed that the Nazis were evil

I mean, that was kind of the point of a world war

I don't disagree

Most of the world did agree on that - but that doesn't make it objective

Unless morality is a democratic system or something

if that's not the same as mob rule, maybe

Clearly if most people believe something it must be objective

I think we can assert that you have the freedom to live life as you wish, as long as that doesn't involve preventing anyone else from living their lives as they wish

The lines get blurred, even with that

Morality is unfortunately not a solved, objective problem

That's definitely an interesting discussion, but more philosophical than practical. With philosophy anything is possible, even the fact that an arrow thrown from a bow doesn;t actually move. so...

My point being, good and evil are generally a consensus thing, and a meeting agenda for a meeting to determine consensus is not the right place for those decisions to be pre judged

As much as we know the direction it will likely go

yeah, I agree with that. about not pre-judging.

I need to preemptively say before the meeting that if this discussion is about the philosophy of making a decision for three hours, I'm going to lose it

It wont be.

just to clarify: this thing has not even started yet, right?

Not yet.

right.

we're just making the popcorn right now

🍿

salted or sweet?

As much as we know the direction it will likely go -> well, what's direction? an arrow is completely still in every single moment, if you take "a moment" as a measurement unit

neither. basic bitch 🍿

funny you phrased it like that, hyc. ;)

alright i'll stop here :P

ErCiccione: I would have appreciated a ping for this btw. just stumbled across it on the devlish irc channel

sorry M5M400, i didn't ping all the people involved just the people who were directly involved in the organization of the meeting

not like I'm mod in both of your main pain points...

oh wait.. .I am :)

We have public agendas on github for a reason ;)

alright here we are

merry meetingmas

Thanks everybody for being here to discuss this unpleasant subject. The agenda is here: monero-project/meta #433 and the points in discussion are two:

- Moving away from /r/moneromining after the recent events (see description of this PR: repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/monero-site/merge_requests/1195)

- Discussion about the quality of the Monero chats, some of which are lightly moderated and higly off topic

Before we start i have to point out that when i called out the racist description in #Monero-pools, which i erroneously considered the official chat of /r/moneromining (My misunderstanding was caused by the fact that the chat was near the word 'official' in the top of the page when seen from the old reddit. The issue has been fixed since)

i was fiercley attacked by some of the active people in the chat, especially by a single person: rottensox, who defended the racist chat description, doubled down using racist slang and repeatedly insulted me. That behaviour was disgusting and i think it needs to be called out.

I hope this incident will make the community more vigilant and sensitive about the subject and that this meeting will help to set some guidelines to avoid the rise of a similar problem.

i don't think #monero-pools ever had a racist topic. there's a site somewhere that has a full history of all the topics that have been set

Sounds legit.

ErCiccione: you're mixing things up. the "racist" description was on a reddit chat, not #monero-pools

sorry guys, my mistake. I meant /r/moneromining

Now, let's start with point one:

1) Moving away from /r/moneromining

ErCiccione, can you give an example of the racist slang? Or do we just have to take your word for it?

Mochi101: someone was banned from this channel temporarily for offensive language

Mochi101: "welcome to the SJW-riddled world in which anything you say can be considered natzi!!!" "we are demons!!!! we killed (((them)))."

The point of this meeting isn't to document it

those are just a couple, logs are public on monero-pools

So the three parentheses is the racist thing?

Mochi101: yes especially in this case

Let's not play dumb

Actually I've never heard about the 3 ( until like a week ago.

fwiw all of these culturla references went over my head

So if the "SJWs" want to keep moving the goal posts...

In any case we don't need to have that discussion here about what Mochi101 knows about racist statements

we should however discuss that this: monero-project/meta #433 is not accurate

Topic is moving away from the subreddit

so, about /r/moneromining

because this is basically the argument for the proposed move

Lead mod is impossible to work with

Have we actually, explicitly stated that "racism = bad" here? I'm taking it as a given, but maybe not everyone is on the same page

And is using the subreddit to advance their "anti-snowflake" agenda

sgp_: I'd say challenging, but not impossible

M5M400: what action has taken out of compromise at all?

was usrn ever a part of the community? i've only been here for a couple of years but i have never seen him around

sgp_: he has taken it down.

upon request from me

I can confirm racist and homophobic remarks on monero related irc channels. Theres also some nazistic remarks and cryptic chat with it. That's all I can say.

asymptotically: he was to a small extent early on

M5M400: I think that's a really low bar

Same.

He has demonstrated a distinct lack of leadership qualities

sgp_: i have to agree that it bothers me that he is not willing to give up the control over the channel

For example I was removed for removing a BCH post in r/cryptocurrency

irc channel? or subreddit? is he in charge of both?

Usrn being head mod of any part of our ecosystem is a liability.

so for me it's basically a decision between dealing with it vs. rebuilding a community

Just the sub for now hyc

hyc: just subreddit

I agree, from my interactions with him, I view him as a liability

I think this meeting was brought about since it is a huge liability now

Going to have a hard time rebuilding.

^this

Not just could be

And it will not get easier to fix in the future

It IS a liability

With already-seen negative impacts

This needs to be dealt with before the ecosystem gets any bigger

Having it happen after the CPU mining fork is unfortunate

So what needmonero90 and sgp_ are saying is that you want centralized control over some parts of the community?

i'm kinda having a deja-vu needmonero90 ;)

That would have made it way easier

M5M400: I've already argued this point once, and you overrode it. It's coming up again. I very much hope it doesn't happen a third time.

Mochi101: haha no way

and you're willing to underhandedly make a request to reddit admins to take that control?

Wut

Mochi101: Reddit admins aren't responsive but I would if they were responsive

Where on earth are you getting that from

some degree of control is useful, yes. if we as a community have a policy of "no racism" and a moderator - a person in a position of leadership - isn't abiding by that policy

needmonero90: let's factor in that this chat topic was set before the first incident with deopping sgp_

then we need a means to take action

Right, it's about accountability not "control"

just nobody noticed

He reverted it multiple times afterwards

he reverted it ONCE

Still, that occurred after.

(yes, once is too often still

That alone is total bullshit

no one noticed because it requires the new design

and because noone uses that chat

I'm inclined to disable it

Mochi101, he can retain control, but then we just won't link to it from official core team sources.

anyway, being moderator of a forum or channel that is part of a larger community doesn't mean you can use it to advance your own personal agenda.

Exactly, which bring us back to theain topic

Was there a specific complaint about the "bergbau macht frei" thing from someone?

that's not why the community entrusts you with that role.

This isn't being silenced and not centralization. People can do racist things in their racist places, but we don't have to send people there. That simple. :)

How should we move over to something else

needmonero90 is squatting on a similarly named subreddit

Inb4 I have dreams of centralized control and won't give it up

Haha nice

It's possible

So going back to the topic, how are we going to act? New subreddit?

needmonero90: gib control

:D

If this plays out, you're top of my list m5m

yeah, new subreddit sounds good. drop all references to the old one

Easy transition

<3

yeah, new subreddit

i think that's the best option. Revuilding the community will be a pain, but it's necessary

I think it's obvious we need a new subreddit if the lead mod isn't removed from the current sub

I'm still against that, but if y'all think that's what needs to be done, be my guest

sounds like a good way to go about it

we are forking away. community will make up their own minds which chain to follow.

I put .1 xmr on r/moneromining

M5M400: what are your reasons for being against that?

kinghat: haven't changed. I think it throws us back a couple of years in community building

official monero mining subreddit: 10 members. GOTTA JOIN!

not sure how you guys go about chosing the right sub, but I usually go with the crowded ones

well, get usrn to step down.

You'll never build that up... People are not following likes to Reddit off of getmonero.org and the likes to find that subreddit

i don't think that the sub is particularly active anyway

gingeropolous: I can certainly pitch it to him but I doubt I'll succeed

Mochi101: risk we need to take

It's not a huge sub

M5M400: fair reasoning.

and we can do a few announcements in various social media channels

fireice is going to have his fun with this either way

what if usrn handed the sub over but was still in a mod role?

kinghat: he won't

Yes but we're making the right choice

New sub

needmonero90: what's the new sub again?

So, the vast majority of the people here agree with moving away. Where? /r/monerominer? currently registered by neemonero90

I don't want him in a mod role either. :P

rehrar: +1

honestly, I'm not particularly fond of the current sub. it's utterly boring and I only mod it because someone has to

lol. it's probably good that it's boring.

So tell me how "consensus" happened here.

yeah i don't frequent the mining sub either

I mean, for the community.

Mochi101: off-topic

fuck you it's off topic

is it not an option to leave things the way they are, and if he does clearly out of line this again we move to the new sub?

Mochi101: no insults or you can just leave the meeting

Mocho101 the same way it happens for many things with Monero. People of reputation showed up to a publicly announced meeting and talked about things.

Oh he got kicked.

thanks sgp_

because you're acting like a dictator

11:22 AM <• rehrar> Mocho101 the same way it happens for many things with Monero. People of reputation showed up to a publicly announced meeting and talked about things.

How did we arrice at consenzsus?

I'mnot hearing a lot of dissent.

And then it's shown to core and they are the final deciders of what is shown on their infrastructure.

Mochi101: please behave decently or leave the meeting

Mochi101: it's not a consensus of literally everyone. It's consensus of a group of people here to take an action

If people want to be involved in the process they can come to these meetings. :)

hyc: I am not in favor, but seem to be the minority

In this case, it's a consensus that encompasses the people who have control over various sidebars and wikis in our ecosystem.

But next topic

Hold up.

M5M400: you agree though that usrn is difficult to work with?

I do

ok

It needs to be noted that nobody is stopping the old sub from still existing and we're not taking it down in any way. We aren't silencing anybody.

We are just choosing not to associate with it.

let the record show!

The claims of dictatorship are honestly moronic.

We aren't forcing anyone to do anything.

No they're not.

Right, it's more accurately worried people removing support and affiliation

needmonero90: ErCiccione: did reporting the sub bear any fruits?

Nope

im more in favor of giving the sub another chance, only because its so easy, from a tech standpoint, to move to a different sub we are squatting on.

In the same way that forking off of Monero because you don't agree, and Monero core not linking to your fork is not dictatorship.

kinghat: I think many chanves have already come and gone

I strongly disagree we should keep pointing people to that subreddit because "it's easier"

we have to make the right decision, not the easier

+1

seems minds have been made up then

+infinity

+1 (for the loose consensus)

By the way, usrn could have chosen to attend this meeting too, yes?

i said its easy to switch. i mean if nothing controversial comes out of that sub again the premature move to another one seems kind of meh.

hyc it's in the meta repo

no, only people with super cool internet connections can get on IRC

Though we really need a better system.

Because using GitHub for meeting is the most sucky thing.

But that's another topic.

hyc: maybe if you made a thread about it on r/moneropools. don't think he's very active outside of this

Seems like a great head mod

I wouldn't be here if the link wasn't shared 5 minutes before the meeting on #monero-pools

We will link the new sub in the old one :)

brilliant.

With takedown in 3 .. 2 .. 1

sgp_: haha. I bet 0.1 xmr he won't delete it

any takers?

will see how much of a laissez-faire mod he is then

Haha

I'll pin it, even

He has a temper, I wouldn't be surprised if he removed.

ok so, the subreddit we migrate to will be /r/monerominer?

And also power fantasies

"master of the universe" flair...

and all links to /r/moneromining will be removed from core-managed platforms

yeah /r/monerominer sounds fine, it's already ready to go

Yup and yup

and hopefully /r/monero as well

K. Next.

nah

Ginger and I are here

And I think in agreement

Which is two of the three active mods

I think /r/Monero is covered

Good. Next point:

2) Quality of the Monero chats

ruh roh

After the issue mentioned above, the problem of some "wild" Monero chatrooms rised again, especially #monero-pools #monero-market and in minor part #monero. It's important that all 'Monero-' channels reflect the welcoming spirit our community is renown for. I know binaryfate in particular wanted to speak about the subject, so if he is here, please go ahead :)

haven't read him here yet, so, let's give him a couple of minutes

I've seen some pretty questionable stuff in -markets. since we've treated is a trollbox I usually ignore it

never been on there so can't say

but sometimes the hookers'n'lambo talk gets way too sexist

If a channel is officially designated designated for support, I think off topic chatter should be light

I can't really think of any problems in #monero itself

Monero is fine

Would say so also

Once again, please not that core team has control over all 'monero-' channels on IRC.

don't hang out there either. it's boring :)

Pools has cleaned up too

If anyone wants to make #miningonmonero, they can do so, and it will be outside of core control.

Mostly afaik

gl finding people to police all of this. do we just start shutting it all down?

probably should make a #monero-miner to correspond to the subreddit

rehrar: all chats eith monero- can be taken over anytime by the core team

I think for IRC the main points are making sure they're on topic and non-offensive. And making sure mods enforce this. I'm not volunteering to do this fwiw

Freenode will give Monero core preference if the channel name has the word monero it it though rehrar

that was freenode's decision after they cleaned up -pools AFAIK

sgp_: if you wanna target civilized off-topic too, I'm out as mod there

i agree with sgp_. I know that some mods in -pools got powers, but they are not really active, so maybe we need more active mods there?

Precisely why I relinquished my powers.

Mochi101: XMR then?

Maybe

Fwiw I think this enforcement of high quality talk is a terrible idea.

i would have really liked an input from the core team on this point, but we should take a stance about what is acceptable and what is not in the monero- channels

ErCiccione: freenode policy already covers a lot of things

In times like meetings, yes, let there be high quality talk.

In other times, let the community be a community.

asymptotically: that policy is not enforced, that's the problem

rehrar: agree. i also think its not possible.

yeah, you have to have room for banter and actual socializing

We laugh, have fun, mourn, make jokes, etc.

ErCiccione: it is in pools. there's even freenode staff there to make sure :)

ErCiccione, there are 2 freenode cops in the channel pretty much all the time.

Otherwise we become a stick-in-the-mud group that nobody wants to be around (including me :P)

What are nicknames of freenode cops?

I even kick when I see some stupidly grouped parantheses

Roughly on topic is fine

Is pools such a magnet for bad things?

There shouldn;t be freenode mods there to enforce the rules guys, that's the issue

yeah, which is weird. there are freenode opers on those channels yet racist and sexist talk are still rampant.

Fuchs is one

i mean, #monero-pools could continue doings its thing, and a new miner help chatroom can be started. THe only reason #monero-pools gets the noobs is because its the default IRC room for the pool software

that would require getting... 2 pool admins to change the defaults

The freenode team intervenes only in extreme situatons, we should really avoid to get there. That's the point

ErCiccione: haven't seen them having to enforce anything since \x

because... decentralized (lol)

M5M400: exactly, that's what i mean with extreme situations, we shouldn't get there

still we should adhere to certain ideals. Being a permissionless money kinda says we value being non-discriminatory.

but we can get there anytime in an open chatroom... not sure how to avoid?

That's why if pools can be a bit slight, is fine for me, but it's important to have mods which enforces freenode rules strictly

so allowing racist/sexist/whatever would be hypocritical

#which means no sexists, racists discussions or other stuff of that kind

Your certain ideals may be different than others.

well there are other places on the internet

nobody is talking about ideals here Mochi101

Mochi101: if you don't believe in permissionless money then Monero isn't for you

"hyc> still we should adhere to certain ideals."

if you want to have sexist/racist discussions, monero- channels are not the place for you

'scuse me?

Once again, we are discussing all core te stewarded areas.

Team*

ideals =/= ideology

everyone wants these chats policed but nobody here wants to do it 🤷‍♂️

kinghat: this is also true. :D

just get a bot to do it

I got removed from my position as mod when I dared enforce.

so.

kinghat: that's actually part of the problem

Thats not exactly true kinghat.

Oof needmoney90 coming in with the facts

kinghat: I'm willing to do it, but to my own moral compass. and I have a very high tolerance for bullshit and sarcasm/cynism...

for the record i dont want to do it.

lubs needmonero90.

M5M400: youre obv not good enough then.

m5m big bad

😁

M5M400: I'd trust you. I think that's what's needed for a looser group. High tolerance, but then moderating vitrolic and destructive behavior.

No that's the status quo

it is.

Indeed.

We're not loosers rehrar, be nice.

;)

:P loose not lose

m5m is already active on the mining subreddits, and receptive to community consensus (even if it goes against his personal opinion) from what I can tell

Which is ideally what we want

I completely understand that M5M400 would let things through that others might not.

he also doesnt seem to have dreams of power, seeing as he keeps wanting to keep the old sub with the dictatorial leader

we need somebody to at least enforce freenode rules. M5M400 if you are fine with letting racism and sexism pass because in your opinion is sarcasm, you are indeed not fitting for the role

sigh

power is pain

Perhaps a slightly tighter control is necessary, but moving to a choking grip wouldn't be beneficial imo.

shh, not so loud or we'll never get new mods

so in light of nobody stepping up to police the coms, do we shut them down? what are the options here?

ErCiccione: if I spot intended racism, I step in.

We need the threshold to be more restrictive

rehrar: i think enforcing freenode's rules is very far from being a "chocking grip"

hard to distinguish where the jokes end and the real racism starts though

Other mods can help with that

What other mods?

just make race/religion/politics out of bounds, potentially.

M5M400: THat "intended" is not really reasurign. So i can be racist if right after i say i'm joking? (which is often the case)

Erciccione not everyone here is in agreement with what constitutes racism or sexism.

binaryFate has to be there to mod

hedgemoon has to be there to mod

I, for one, don't play the identity politics game, but I still try not to be discriminatory in my speech and actions.

hegemoOn sorry

rehrar: me too. try not to be offensive, and try not to be offended :D

Indeed.

so all -pools has is asymptotically and M5M400

because you took the easy way out Mochi101 :P

And the hand of justice that is falling here seems to stem from a left leaning view of racism and sexism.

Which, if that is what is wanted, that can be discussdd

But it must be defined.

No it doesn't

We can't assume that everyone has the same idea as what constitutes these subjects.

+1

Not everyone has the same view

++ rehrar

.define racism

If we want a uniform policy, that's fine. But making sure "nobody feels offended ever" is a losing game.

But we need higher standards to make the room welcoming

.define sexism

I've neer seen sexism in -pools if that's how it's defined

sgp_, and this is what I'm asking. What constitutes a higher standard? It can't be nebulous?

How do we measure whether the standard is met?

now we have the definitions. If somebody is being one of those (jokingly or not) should be moderated. Sounds easy to me

rehrar: we remove racist and offensive stuff in r/cc

We don't have defined standards

kind of think we are putting the cart before the horse here. we can decided the rules after we appoint the responsible ops.

everyone in favor of making needmonero90 and M5M400 mods of the entire monero irc network say aye!

If something is confusing, we discuss it

It's not that hard

Incorrect.

🙌

kinghat, bots i tell yah!

The moderator that moderates has their internal definitions that they use as a standard.

rehrar: yeah that's why communication is important

They are still applying a standard. You might remove something that another mod might not.

But they're not going to make a fuss about you removing it.

I don't want to moderate the network. Moderation is work, I don't get paid to do this shit

im sure there's a machine learning algo out there

gingeropolous: google have a nice one i think

So the same is applied here with the moderation of pools. If M5M400 is the mod, he will use his definitions.

Im doing my part to pitch in.

If those aren't sufficient, then step up and moderate.

This discussion about standards seems more philosophical than actionable

didnt MS's bot get really racist, really fast?

agreed

and that's the problem sgp_

If you're not willing to step up and moderate with your definitions, then I don't know what to tell you.

we can discuss for hours about what a standard is, but we have to be practical

I agree the big issue is that we don't have anyone who really wants to do this

the way I see it: regulars are often mean to each other. but noone is ever mean to the random noob seeking help - at least if said noob is not totally ignorant to the help already provided

ya im not sure why we are talking about how to police if there are no police 🤷‍♂️

ErCiccione: cool, the be practical and moderate the room.

sgp_: Again, I *was* willing

*then

needmonero90: sorry, I took your joke as your actual opinion

I intervened as a mod, and got removed.

or, more precisely: when rotten tells mochi to suck his dick, there's no victim.

needmonero90, everyone would have been banned within a week using your standards of modding

lol.

well, M5M400 , that leads me to the idea that the hanging out should be in a different room not monero related. I mean, #monero-pools was where I landed 4 years ago

maybe 5 at this point

M5M400: ideally not, but there are sometimes statements that discourage others from participating. We need to be understanding of that

hell, I think fluffypony was the one that responded to whatever I posted

I think that is a good standard imo. Was there a victim? It's practical.

gingeropolous: disagree. because the people in there are knowledgeable and helpful to n00bs

If someone says "hey, that hurt me. Stop." Then this crime has a victim. The behavior needs to stop.

i had the room up for a while. I don't know what I woulda thought of things if I got to witness some of the ..... banter.... that is on there now

if they have their everyday trashtalk elsewhere, they wouldn't see noobs needing help

rehrar: that's simplicistic

i dunno. my IRC client indicates when there's room activity

gingeropolous: perspectiveapi.com/#/home AI irc mods coming soon :D

It *is* possible to have a 1-way relay from pools into a trashtalk channel

so they can see the people who need help

im only speaking for myself here but id say 99% of my experience with the xmr community has be pleasant. i cant really think of a non pleasant experience ive had. i think that says something.

shit its 6 years ago

Erciccione: We'd rather invent victims then?

Btw therse are freenode rules, which should be enforced: freenode.net/policies

I am aware of these rules

they are linked in the monero pools rules

rehrar: i was talking about you proposing me to be practical and moderate the room

Again, there is a freenode IRCOP in the channel pretty much all the time.

* [Fuchs] (fuchs@freenode/staff/Fuchs): Christian

why not have a #monero-ops in which all ops are present and people can join to voice their complaints about certain characters? copying and pasting the text lines that allegedly have violated freenode policies or otherwise 'civilized' behaviour?

doesn't advocate for anyone to step up, just puts the ops in a single place for people to jump in and voice themselves.

Please stop assuming that everything is fine because there is a freenode op in the channel. They don;t intervene if not for extreme cases. I said this before, the point i s to avoid to get there

I volunteer to be a mod in #monero-ops

ErCiccione: he's quite active and chats often

then again, i was also on bitcointalk at that point in time.... so, I kinda knew that this space is just full of...... spicy ppl

asymptotically: active as banning people or calling for moderation?

no, because it's not nessecary

that's Mochi101's point.

I think a "tribunal" of sorts in terms of an ops channel might be beneficial.

I'm sure he won't mind... Here's an opinion on how a Freenod OP thinks the channel is doing: <Fuchs> rougher than most of our other channels, but fine :)

anyway again: we should have the mods in the chat to moderate it, not freenode mods. Isn't it clear that if they are there is because they FEEL that chat is not moderated enough by the urrent mods?

ErCiccione: the question is not whether freenode is ok with it. It never was (in this meeting). The question is whether we want to change it for the optics of Monero.

And if it should change for people coming to Monero to have a good experience.

Mochi101: just gave an example of how Freenode says what's going on currently dicey, but fine.

agreed and the fact that there are freenode mods in some monero chat should warrant people of the fact that they need better moderation by the mods of that channe;

sounds like what you want is a helpdesk style system with 1on1 chats with certified, friendly support agents

How much does that pay?

yeah. thats a good restatement of things rehrar

If the price is right I'm in.

yah know, they have open source helpdesk thingies

inb4 Mochi101 checkout.php scam

lol

That was a joke, not a scam.

u get 1 moneropoints for every guest u help

sorry can't stay thru the conclusion, gotta go

Mochi101: so was my statement

I know that, not everybody here knows that they were both jokes though. So it's good we pointed out that they were both jokes for clarity.

oh look, toxic sarcasm

ok, back to topic

well to be honest, its a joke sure, but its also not a bad idea. I mean, how great would it be to have that sort of system on getmonero.org for example?

Anyway, this meeting has been going for one hour and feels like we are going in circle with this last point. We can close the meeting, but feel free to keep the discussion going

we need a decision on /r/moneromining, if one hasnt been made yet.

It has been stated numerous times that pool has cleaned up their act somewhat. Given that, the issue is that some people went into the rougher parts of Monero town and we're appalled that it was rougher.

needmoney90 switch to new sub

needmonero: it was made, we are migrating to /r/monerominer

That was the decision

alright.

Were*

Just making crystal clear before the meeting ends.

rehrar: has been brought up many times, even during this meeting, that sexist and recists terminology are still used in some monero- chats

they happened unmoderated on pools and i brought some examples at the beginning of this meeting

Great meeting people. Sorry about the swearing that got me kicked. Can't just shut people down all the time with a quick "That's off topic" all the time though.

Quick question, who is the leader of -pools?

Or leaders?

thanks for understanding mochi

hegemoOn is the owner rehrar

so, the point is clearly not closed, but i feel that without a statement from the core team, we will just go in circles

meetings have a higher bar for standards

rehrar: we don't believe in leaders ove rthere

Justin and I are unequivocally the leaders of this workgroup

uh what about me

lol.

rehrar: i guess freenode own it, because they can take it away at any time :D

so can monero peeps, no?

And there is a COC here in this workgroup and room. It's the way we chose to do things here. Any whining about it can be noted but the decisions fall with is.

needmonero90: whats the fork going to be called?

Monero Palladium

lame. fork fork.

MoneroV Gold tft's vision edition

Diet MoneroV Gold tft's vision edition (feat: fluffypony)

Snipa: you are core team now, right? say something

Snipa isn't core team.

Core gets to choose the maintainer

maintainer isnt necessarily core

ah, ok

monero core team swoops in, "everyone should be nice to each other, no, i dont have time to enforce it."

i stand corrected

fluffypony, luigi1111, othe, noodlenoodle, binaryfate, ArticMine, and smooth

kinghat: you joke, but this is what would happen. :P

obv

needmonero90: does he still get invited to the secret smokey back room?

maybe we can bring dsc_ out of retirement burnout to fix all the things?

asymptotically: only if he wears the correct robes

idk, I'm not core, they dont let me in the back room :(

my influence only extends so far

you know what kind of stuffs happens in the back room?!? the best kind!

well, at least you get your /r/monerominer now needmonero90 ;)

speaking from experience?

I wish this wasn't necessary m5m400.

😁

And it'll be yours soon enough

just gotta get everything moved into place first

I don't see an announcement on r/moneromining yet

decentralization is slow.

whats jwinterm's pov? care to weigh in?

kinghat: fix what?

Any chance you can copy over the css? Or will rehrar be awesome and make a new stylesheet

im not retired btw. im building cool stuff ;p

dsc_ just not with us. :(

dsc_: racism! please fix racism

ok everyone make love with eachother

fixed.

dsc_: havent seen any twitch notifs recently.

how you doin

this is turning to friendly

Bro, if binaryfate was here I'd be all over this.

im going back to coding

rehrar: rightly so!

Call me when he gets here.

too friendly*

hows the wallet going?

I don't know what you are talking about

The leather wallet dude.

am I right in assuming the meeting is now over?

wallet side project?

You showed us all a PoC of making Monero From leather.

M5M400: yes

M5M400: did you just assume my meeting status?

i closed it about 10 minutes ago

kinghat: my apologies. I crawl back into my -pools cesspit

kinghat: :P

🤐

Hey guys... I have r/MoneroMiningOfficial

I can give the rights to that to someone

ythop=

ytho

sure you dont want to mod that for us Mochi101?

I've had it since June 1

2019

I was just sitting on it

No, I don't want to mod it. I will give it away to the community.

the rules should be "dont be a dick". you get one warning. "dont be a dick" is subjective as to keep everyone on their toes.

So that's a no?

I like it even better than /r/monerominer

monerominer sounds so... lonely

I know right?

there is only one monero miner: the central monero server

wen r/monerominers

adding official is kinda dum tbh

was already taken nioc.

ur dum.

dsc_: can i pick your brain about nodejs in some other channel?

rottensox: I wasn't following, just responding

so yes :)

nioc: fashionably late i see..

kinghat: go for it

dsc_ loves js

asymptotically knows me too well

kinghat: I still have things from last year for you

dsc_: via PM or some other channel?

needmonero90, did you just call me dum?

nioc: my precious?

yeah, meeting is over

they are somewhere in the morass that is my house

wtf

mods are fascists

two codes of conduct. meeting conduct and !meetingConduct.

kinghat: lets e-chat in a channel on the Freenode IRC network

dsc_: that sounds so futuristic.

just one at random?

-pools

we'll raise the quality in the process

oh, too soon? :P

😂

<kinghat> whats jwinterm's pov? care to weigh in?

I think markets are in doldrums and #monero-markets is a trollbox to discuss basically whatever

feel free to ban me

😁

also, lordy that was a heckuva scrollback

.ban jwinterm

that was kinda random when binaryFate swooped in like a week ago and yelled at everyone then re-disappeared

modding like a boss

that sounds familiar though

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