Reminder: no meeting tomorrow

ErCiccione[m]: is the mining meeting still scheduled for Sunday? 18 utc?

i thought i was a dick but... reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/etkpby…ective_research_on_getmonero_doesnt

rottensox: at least you have redeeming qualities. Haven't been on bct in a long time and I remember him from there. I have nothing good to say about him so I will shut up :)

rottensox: I wish this was published in another source, but this is basically just complaining without a solution

Good to try and set as a goal, but better to have content on the website than no content

This is the person who misconstrued the travel rule post as legal advice, so my bar for them is quite low

Annoyingly this person is going to think to themself "oh jeez, they're ignoring my good advice!"

Since getting independent publication would be awesome

But wishing something isn't magically going to make it happen

And they sure as shit aren't going to assist in a meaningful way

Revuo Issue 44: January 17-24, 2020 - revuo-monero.com/issue-44.html

sgp_: if people are willing to participate, yes. I didn't feel like many were really interested when i asked here

ErCiccione[m]: we might as well try imo

Absolutely, but let me say that after seeing the reactions, i'm quite discouraged :) I will open an issue in meta today

Reactions about this situation in general, not just about the meeting.

We need to have the discussion somehow. We should probably have it in a semi-organized fashion

yep, hopefully something definitive will come out from this meeting

sgp_ monero-project/meta #433

ErCiccione[m]: if our meeting minutes could have no emotive language (like despicable), I would super appreciate it

Dictating consensus/coloring the mood of discussions before they start would not reflect well on our decentralized ethos, that kind of thing is why we hold the meetings in the first place :)

So many landmines to step in when moderating this stuff :)

Or avoid stepping in, if that's your thing

hey sgp_ (or anyone) do you have a link to the monerolink follow up paper?

koe: this? arxiv.org/pdf/1704.04299.pdf

I think that's the original one, thought there was a second paper by same authors

Interest in output binning in particular?

for citation

guess I already have it in reference. my notes are getting way too long

sgp_ mentioned an analysis of pool traceability, and I cant remember which paper that was

here it is, section 5.1 of updated monerolink

It was the latest monerolink paper

Spring 2018 I think

I found a better survey system than Zoho finally. The new one is called Survio survio.com

In case somebody knows if its good or bad (I only have one confirmation so far that it's good) please indicate it.

msvb-lab: please use this instead civs.cs.cornell.edu

msvb-mob: ^^

survio only accepts 100 responses

um,...it's none of my business, but survey platforms always grab my attention. Is there any interest in access to a fully indy solution? MO did something like that a while back, but it's been a while. Anyway we made an object based survey motherfucker if anyone wants. Requires a db connection in the version, but the next won't.

0% third party

sgp_: Thanks, it seems for more difficult surveys (whenever a person is willing to create a new email account for private access) the CIVS is perfect.

I usually ignore surveys requiring a phone number or email address to register.

It would be good to find a survey platform for nonprivate uses (CIVS is great) and another one that's good for private uses.

thunderosa: I don't know what MO is, but maybe it's a good thing to research.

I assume MO is Monero Outreach

msvb-mob: ^^

yeah, sorry

anyway, I just hate seeing Monero surveys on other peoples computers. Self hosted doesn't need to be crazy complicated,...it's all snake-oil.

thunderosa: There should be a ruby or nodejs survey system on getmonero.org, I think it would be used enough.

ah I can't speak for that side,...we tend to be homebrew.

This survey technique was a bit experimental but it works well for reasonable simple stuff. The form itself was an object so it could react a bit, and then it of course outputted an object. But fairly dynamic,...suitable for a couple layers anyway.

thunderosa: it's a ranked choice voting platform

I'll take a look at it again and see what's worth keeping. Anything but surveymonkey or googlemonkey.

Open-source, so you can self host pretty easily most likely

This is done with a nonprofit that works closely with Cornell

ah, I wasn't critiqing anything,..I was more wondering if our oddity had other uses.

sorry,..yeah, no disrespect....I was just sniffing around,...but yeah in general,..fuck 3rd party is my default position.

like we're clever enough to get around DNS

why does Google need to know that too?

anyway,..fuck it,...gonna make my own internet.

brb