02:31:23 Reminder: no meeting tomorrow 02:31:39 ErCiccione[m]: is the mining meeting still scheduled for Sunday? 18 utc? 03:30:57 i thought i was a dick but... https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/etkpby/posting_objective_research_on_getmonero_doesnt/ 03:30:58 [REDDIT] Posting objective research on GetMonero doesn't help people think its objective (self.Monero) | 0 points (50.0%) | 2 comments | Posted by 1blockologist | Created at 2020-01-25 - 02:19:16 03:43:55 rottensox: at least you have redeeming qualities. Haven't been on bct in a long time and I remember him from there. I have nothing good to say about him so I will shut up :) 03:46:08 * rottensox hugs nioc 05:03:08 rottensox: I wish this was published in another source, but this is basically just complaining without a solution 05:03:28 Good to try and set as a goal, but better to have content on the website than no content 05:04:25 This is the person who misconstrued the travel rule post as legal advice, so my bar for them is quite low 05:05:55 Annoyingly this person is going to think to themself "oh jeez, they're ignoring my good advice!" 05:06:11 Since getting independent publication would be awesome 05:06:23 But wishing something isn't magically going to make it happen 05:06:38 And they sure as shit aren't going to assist in a meaningful way 08:18:22 Revuo Issue 44: January 17-24, 2020 - https://revuo-monero.com/issue-44.html 09:05:12 sgp_: if people are willing to participate, yes. I didn't feel like many were really interested when i asked here 09:06:08 ErCiccione[m]: we might as well try imo 09:07:02 Absolutely, but let me say that after seeing the reactions, i'm quite discouraged :) I will open an issue in meta today 09:07:40 Reactions about this situation in general, not just about the meeting. 09:09:22 We need to have the discussion somehow. We should probably have it in a semi-organized fashion 09:11:18 yep, hopefully something definitive will come out from this meeting 10:36:16 sgp_ https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/433 10:45:07 -xmr-pr- [meta] erciccione opened issue #433: Meeting about the mining subreddit and the quality of the Monero chats 10:45:08 -xmr-pr- > https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/433 18:00:54 ErCiccione[m]: if our meeting minutes could have no emotive language (like despicable), I would super appreciate it 18:04:19 Dictating consensus/coloring the mood of discussions before they start would not reflect well on our decentralized ethos, that kind of thing is why we hold the meetings in the first place :) 18:07:25 * rottensox high fives needmonero90 18:09:08 So many landmines to step in when moderating this stuff :) 18:09:15 Or avoid stepping in, if that's your thing 19:04:45 hey sgp_ (or anyone) do you have a link to the monerolink follow up paper? 19:05:25 koe: this? https://arxiv.org/pdf/1704.04299.pdf 19:06:12 I think that's the original one, thought there was a second paper by same authors 19:19:04 Interest in output binning in particular? 19:20:26 for citation 19:22:08 guess I already have it in reference. my notes are getting way too long 19:22:47 sgp_ mentioned an analysis of pool traceability, and I cant remember which paper that was 19:23:39 here it is, section 5.1 of updated monerolink 19:52:53 It was the latest monerolink paper 19:53:04 Spring 2018 I think 20:12:17 I found a better survey system than Zoho finally. The new one is called Survio https://www.survio.com/ 20:12:44 In case somebody knows if its good or bad (I only have one confirmation so far that it's good) please indicate it. 20:28:45 msvb-lab: please use this instead https://civs.cs.cornell.edu/ 20:28:54 msvb-mob: ^^ 20:30:13 survio only accepts 100 responses 22:16:07 um,...it's none of my business, but survey platforms always grab my attention. Is there any interest in access to a fully indy solution? MO did something like that a while back, but it's been a while. Anyway we made an object based survey motherfucker if anyone wants. Requires a db connection in the version, but the next won't. 22:16:45 0% third party 22:19:09 sgp_: Thanks, it seems for more difficult surveys (whenever a person is willing to create a new email account for private access) the CIVS is perfect. 22:19:43 I usually ignore surveys requiring a phone number or email address to register. 22:20:08 It would be good to find a survey platform for nonprivate uses (CIVS is great) and another one that's good for private uses. 22:20:33 thunderosa: I don't know what MO is, but maybe it's a good thing to research. 22:27:02 I assume MO is Monero Outreach 22:27:15 msvb-mob: ^^ 22:28:42 yeah, sorry 22:29:50 anyway, I just hate seeing Monero surveys on other peoples computers. Self hosted doesn't need to be crazy complicated,...it's all snake-oil. 22:30:48 thunderosa: There should be a ruby or nodejs survey system on getmonero.org, I think it would be used enough. 22:33:17 ah I can't speak for that side,...we tend to be homebrew. 22:35:40 This survey technique was a bit experimental but it works well for reasonable simple stuff. The form itself was an object so it could react a bit, and then it of course outputted an object. But fairly dynamic,...suitable for a couple layers anyway. 22:37:03 thunderosa: it's a ranked choice voting platform 22:37:17 I'll take a look at it again and see what's worth keeping. Anything but surveymonkey or googlemonkey. 22:37:20 Open-source, so you can self host pretty easily most likely 22:37:42 This is done with a nonprofit that works closely with Cornell 22:38:09 ah, I wasn't critiqing anything,..I was more wondering if our oddity had other uses. 22:38:56 sorry,..yeah, no disrespect....I was just sniffing around,...but yeah in general,..fuck 3rd party is my default position. 22:40:04 like we're clever enough to get around DNS 22:40:15 why does Google need to know that too? 22:40:38 anyway,..fuck it,...gonna make my own internet. 22:41:02 brb