jwinterm I did not disappear, I just don't want to police if not necessary.

necessary = freenode taking issues

needmonero90: do you want to make the announcement in r/monero and r/moneromining today?

binaryFate, I just meant in terms of you basically never participate in that channel as far as I remember except to drop in and chastise people a week or two ago

none of the mods in that channel really participate at all, besides needmoney a bit maybe

cornfeedhobo used to but he's been not around much for year(s)?

sgp_: CSS and stuff need to be in place before that happens.

I've pinged M5M400 but he is afk it seems

I think it's kind of strange and untenable situation to have a communications channel moderated completely by people that do not generally make use of said channel

but here we are

that's why I'm not volunteering for -pools

Moderating markets means kicking regulars, and they get pissy :/

happy to moderate here, but I just don't care enough about the day-to-day mining

I've kind of left in exasperation

I deal with things when they get bad, but I leave them alone until that point usually.

<xmrhaelan> Anyone have anything else to say about this? repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/merge_requests/115 ErCiccione Rehrar gingeropolous

My last question didn't get answered so there's that.

<xmrhaelan> Rehrar this bit? “What would these costs look like? Was it your first iteration of this proposal or more than that even?”

Ye

I'm fine with the idea of starting this three month proposal to see their work, and if we like it and they like us to transition into it being a Monero Project. They said they were open to it.

<xmrhaelan> I thought it was addressed in a round about way from other comments, but rdymac could probably answer it directly.

Did they look into other funding?

Will we see a 150XMR proposal every 3 months now? my question :)

I think one proposal would be okay but 150XMR every few months is a lot for something that isn’t monero specific

<xmrhaelan> Monero Outreach is willing to help them campaign for other funding by leveraging Monero’s support, but Rehrar does have a point... it would sure be great to see this become a focused Monero project

I don’t think putting the project under the Monero project umbrella is a good idea.

<xmrhaelan> Why

Would they go under the Monero project umbrella without Monero CCS funding? If the answer is no, we should not do it.

We shouldn’t "buy" projects like this.

<xmrhaelan> This could be a huge demonstration of the utility of Monero, particularly if they are able to incentivize LochaMesh nodes with our new RPC-Pay feature

xmrhaelan: sorry, i only gave a quick look to their response because i have really limited time lately. I appreciated the detailed response, but i simply didn't look into the answer thoroughly enough to answer back

seems like it will become a development money pit if there are no specific outcomes other than documentation

<xmrhaelan> Ok thanks erciccione

ajs: that was one of my concerns as well

The milestones don’t seem Monero related at all. I think a one off donation to the project would be something we could do but I’m against funding this monthly.

We often struggle to fund Monero related proposals, this will put strain on the CCS.

ajs[m]: there will be other outcomes, e.g. an alpha version of the firmwares and needed software that are needed in order to be able to develop the future roadmap that includes the XMR tx broadcast, block sync over the Locha Mesh, and the RPC-Pay feature which in the future could mean that Monero node operators would be able to mine with people's CPUs that won't even be connected to an Internet connection

thank you for your latest comment, rehrar, sorry that it was in a thread and missed it. I'll answer it

Ajs I expressed the same sentiment. We generally should seek to fund coordinators that act as a buffer for people to interact with, not development teams

Someone who has an expectation of availability

If they can't get devs to interact with that person without paying the devs, it's a non starter.

rdymac: oh cool, you're here.

We want to build communities that are self sustaining, not mercenary Dev teams that will leave the second funding dries up

That's just silly

And if the response is 'we won't leave when funding dries up' why do you need funding in the first place? Past a coordinator/buffer of course.

+1 needmonero90

needmonero90, not sure I understand anything of what you've said in these comments. I'll read again later when I have addressed Diego's questions in the CCS proposal

rdymac: I want to express that your patience as you answer these questions is admirable. Thanks for not immediately running away

<xmrhaelan> Sgp agreed. He’s doing great against tough critics.

"... Dev teams that will leave the second funding dries up" - We are not going anywhere, we are developing a standard for anyone to be able to communicate and pay freely, privately and anonymously. We are creating the hardware, defining its alternative from off-the-shelf parts, and guides to repurpose existing hardware for disaster-hit and Communism-hit countries. We've been working on this for years now, and I

myself started with Bitcoin and BitcoinVenezuela.com (a non-profit sustained by myself and donations) in early 2012. What we are asking here is support from other communities who would also like to be able to pay others securely and anonymously in a safe and censorship-resistant way.

"And if the response is 'we won't leave when funding dries up' why do you need funding in the first place?" - Well, we need funding because developers need to eat, and some of them have families. If we wouldn't need to eat & those things, I'm completely sure all of us would love to make the creation of liberating tools for people to be able to communicate & pay each other with complete freedom our full-time duty

Don't take anything I said above as me being mad, I just like to make thinks clear.

fwiw I would like to make a decision on this proposal by this Saturday's meeting. I would like to have most of the questions asked and answered before then so that we can focus on making a determination

otherwise this is going to keep getting drawn out