call for testing

<rottenwheel[m] "twitter.com/rottenwheel"> Maximalism is unhealthy for the maximalist and all who interact with him. And not just Bitcoin/crypto maximalism. A huge part of learning/growing involves acknowledging that you don't already know all the answers.... which is antithetical to maximalism.

decent analysis

People named Chad are often right.

lol.

Tonight I'm Chad the Philosopher

No, I'm Chad the Philosopher. You have to be some other Chad.

You could be Chad a Philosopher.

I could be Chad the Philanthropist

sure, do it

but need the $

xD

> You could be Chad a Philosopher.

I can live with that

cool beans

I feel like we could get along.

Feels like team spirit. Wanna be besties?

lol

chad[m]: Sure!

. . . as long as I don't have to *smell* it.

Lol, yeah, I dropped ye olde ball on that one

you smelling balls now

o

hi

hello

bye

<BrianTX> Can anyone disprove my fud that Monero won’t be widely adopted for normal usage (i.e. not privacy focused tasks like drug purchasing) due to the fact that even if the blockchain is updated to quantum resistant cryptography the old non-resistant blockchain still exists and will be attacked. And that Monero is mainly only usable if doing non-kyc. Or with the acceptance that your history will likely one day be exposed if

you have a general use wallet? But in Monero’s case when you improve the encryption it leaves behind the old transaction data with the old standard. Cause if my home network for example was vulnerable to a new hack I could upgrade to a new standard and everything is protected. Nothing is left behind on the old standard

<BrianTX> This is from the discord channel. Copied their words, not mine. I told them to come here.

Don't understand the point. It won't be widely used because quantum at some point in the future could break it?

But it's easy! youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w

Your history might get exposed in e.g. 10 years. At least you had 10 years of privacy compared to 0 with bitcoin.

Maybe I'm missing the point :)

<BrianTX> I think that his point is that people can download the old blockchain. The old blockchain will have the old encryption methods. If they are broken, then you will have everyone's transaction histories, IPs, senders, receivers, etc. Even if the newer blockchain is good, you're still screwed because they "have" you from the past. I think that is, more or less, what he is saying. You will not truly have privacy forever.

<BrianTX> Again, not my words. I told him that I'm not a developer and to just come over and find one to talk to. Lol

Chains don't contain IPs.

<BrianTX> I'm just trying to convey what he said.

oki

<Maddog4013> I’d like to hear how this isn’t an issue

<Maddog4013> I think if this is true then it kills adoption for your average user that’s not doing non-kyc privacy focused transactions

<BrianTX> ^This is who wants to know. If there is a better channel for him to head to, just let him know.

How much would it cost to do a full monero code audit ? can we do a CCS for it ?

You will DO what Monero tells you to do. You will JUMP when you are told to jump. And most importantly you will DISCONNECT whoever Scientology^H^H^H^H^H I mean Mnero tells you to disconnect. Otherwise you WILL end up like lh1008 here:

monerologs.net/monero-community/20210114#c181614 And you will do it all for FREE. Because Monero is open souce :D Just like Linux is there to pay for $700k watches that Torvalds wears.

lol i was thinking torvalds was a watch guy for a second

Look on the bright side. At least you don't need to obsess over signs of life from FUK now.

whom

.val DELIVERED FRONT DESK/RECEPTION/MAIL ROOM

TheFireSwamp: Sorry pair not found & cryptonator not yet implemented..

0.087736

.val 0.087736 xmr

TheFireSwamp: ≈$37.6272 • ≈ value of: 0.087736 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm

You will DO what Monero tells you to do. You will JUMP when you are told to jump. And most importantly you will DISCONNECT whoever Scientology^H^H^H^H^H I mean Mnero tells you to disconnect. Otherwise you WILL end up like lh1008 here:

monerologs.net/monero-community/20210114#c181614 And you will do it all for FREE. Because Monero is open souce :D Just like Linux is there to pay for $700k watches that Torvalds wears.

hi guys, I moved my wallet file to a new machine, but I can't start monero-wallet-cli with it, I get `Error: Key file not found. Failed to open wallet:` — I checked and the files have the same size, checksum, and permissions on both machines

.beg

Metamorphosis: .beg?

Well, I was thinking of some small Monroe tipping(like in doge and ldoge)

f-chymera: someone of expertise will probably help you out soon, they always helpful

.faucet

Mo​chi101: Of 2 & 0, w​hich is 2

2

Mochi101: @bonuspot tipped 0.000004 XMR to Mochi101 [3afa61cd] Wait ≈1 day 1 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01668283

Metamorphosis, ^^^

ok, the issue seems to have been that I also needed to transfer the *.keys file

yeah the .keys file is what is needed to see/spend transactions

the actual wallet file is mostly just metadata about transactions - i.e. things like the destination address you have sent to, descriptions you have added to accounts and subaddresses etc

.faucet

N​orkle: Which is bigge​r, 3 or 1

3

Norkle: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000033 XMR to Norkle [a47340c2] Wait ≈1 day 1 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01667953

FIY, you want to know why you are getting those daily messages? Cults NEED to control information. That's why people like lh1008 get savagly attacked (also called disconnection) for even talking to me. Break the information embargo, break the cult. Who would sign up to Scientology if they knew from the get-go that is is about a sci-fi alien overlord? Who would sign up to MAGA if they knew what a loser Trump is?

You don't sign up to MAGA to do a failed Viking LARP and some time off in club fed. You sign up because you feel like shit and they promise to give you self-respect. It is a total lie of course, you are still a joke even when cosplaying a Viking. Just like Monero's promise of privacy is a lie.

.faucet

I​nge-: Of 2 or 6, whi​ch is 2

2

Inge-: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000033 XMR to Inge- [9a46765c] Wait ≈23 hrs 59 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01667623

These are quality questions.

Are you sure that your education qualifies you to answer them though Inge- ?

As one brick in the wall to just another brick in the wall, yeah pretty much.

.beg

Metamorphosis: OOPS! 30 min penalty. 19 hours to go.

hi guys, so my monerod service keeps crashing, I get this from the log — any idea what this could be? bpa.st/ZBIA

Make sure you have cores enabled (see README) then paste a stack trace after it crashes ("gdb /path/to/monerod core*" in shell, "bt" in gdb).

That log doesn't show anything wrong.

Justin Ehrenhofer will be joining a privacy coin themed episode of Crypto and Coffee on Clubhouse at 9am EST. Rueben Firo from Zcoin is also here. Join us! joinclubhouse.com/room/P9z3kOQA

I thought it was Reuben from Firo (used to be ZCoin) ...

<scunningham_xmr "Justin Ehrenhofer will be joinin"> Sadly busy, but glad Monero will be represented!

<Inge- "I thought it was Reuben from Fir"> Yes lol

It's now Firo

I don't think Reubens his last name is Firo....

Reuban Yap

His Twitter name is Reuben Firo FWIW

But yes, that's his full name

.beg

Metamorphosis: OOPS! 30 min penalty. 17 hours to go.

.beg

gi​ngeropolous: Wh​ich is smallest, 8 5 or 7

5

gingeropolous: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000025 XMR to gingeropolous [ad6d20b1] Wait ≈23 hrs 54 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01665373

lol

.tip Metamorphosis 0.0000025

gingeropolous: Oops: 0.0000025 - invalid amount (must be 0.00001 or more)

what

.beg

P​iRATA: How many char​s in ram

3

PiRATA: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000033 XMR to PiRATA [8374399d] Wait ≈23 hrs 53 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01665043

.beg

sethsimmons: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.

se​thsimmons: How long i​s the word cent

4 letters

sethsimmons: Oops that is not correct. Try again later. (No not immediately or I'll just ignore you..)

.

fu Wallet

Guess they wanted it without the unit, which is just wrong

.beg

PiRATA: OOPS! 30 min penalty. 25 hours to go.

.fuckme

Wallet: 4

.beg

FINE THEN

My two nodes keep crash in these days.

With what error/log?

no error, just crash, with lots of 1 block behind. but I did have --enable-dns-blocklist

What version?

v0.17.2.0-release

Is there no error in the logs, or have you not checked logs

What's OS, how is daemon being run (command line, GUI, systemd, Docker, etc)

They are on windows7 and 10, command line

And nothing in logs, or have you just not checked logs?

oops I have log-level=0 setting

Ah

will level 1 be enough?

Should be for general errors

btw, before these crashing, their RPC were frequently DoS

<lafudoci[m] "btw, before these crashing, thei"> These are helpful flags if publishing public RPC:

2021-05-11 14:54:33.813 [RPC1] ERROR net.ssl contrib/epee/src/net_ssl.cpp:550 SSL handshake failed, connection dropped: ³s½u¤w³Q±z¥D¾÷¤Wªº³nÅ餤¤î¡C

2021-05-11 14:54:33.813 [RPC1] ERROR net contrib/epee/include/net/abstract_tcp_server2.inl:479 SSL handshake failed

Yikes

crashed again uptime 10 min lol

Use the second flag above to disable that DoS vector if that is crashing it

Looks like you're a favorite of our friendly neighborhood network attacker 🙂

i didn't see the flags pasted sethsimmons

They're the ones I think you shared: --disable-rpc-ban --rpc-ssl=disabled

i dunno about --disable-rpc-bin

ban

but --rpc-ssl disabled for sure

ok

i dunno if it works with the =. the = is when its in a conf file

maybe it works on the command args as well

it does, I'm using those flags right now

word

im curious what having rpc-ssl disabled actually does

Just disables SSL usage for RPC, but most wallets don't use SSL anyways

does the CLI or GUI?

Not sure actually

Just know mobile wallets don't default to it

right

and thats who uses remote nodes effectively

I used rpc-ssl=disabled in conf file, it works

is disable-rpc-ban worth to enable?

It looks like a protection

It's up to you

I had issues with it in the past but it's probably safest to not use that flag

I see, thank you so much. I was so annoyed by this for a while but didn't fond discussion on other place.

np!

Yikes

MARA has now mined 6 OFAC blocks 682816, 682593, 682537, 682472, 682170, 682843

sgp_: they should push a notification in their app

Bitcoin MAXIs think thst Palantir accepting btc is bullish twitter.com/APompliano/status/1392116058761449473?s=19

.faucet

​azy: How many c​haracters in pot

3

azy: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000014 XMR to azy [12f2d220] Wait ≈23 hrs 56 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01664903

blaze it

hi

.faucet

S​erHack: 10000000 ​times 3 divided by 7 multiplied by 0

0

SerHack: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000033 XMR to SerHack [ec20cefe] Wait ≈1 day 27 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01664573

<Inge- "Bitcoin MAXIs think thst Palanti"> Who is Palantir?

Surveillance software/company

.faucet

tpdcl[m]: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in?

oof

oops... ignore that...

There was a website which classified a bunch of Monero exchanges. What was it again?

Nevermind, remembered it.

I'm looking for a non-KYC exchange which lists both XMR and DOGE.

tradeogre

has both BTC-XMR and BTC-DOGE and no KYC

<selsta "tradeogre"> Oh. I read your message after finding one.

I do wonder if SideShift is a good one?

TradeOgre is legit, don't know regarding side shift

moneromooo: this is what I get, apparently no cores? bpa.st/3AAA I don't see how to set them in the README, though. One part talks about the make command, and it was made with -j12, the other part talks abotu docker, and I'm not using it in docker.

it did work before, though, I just rebooted my computer as it was running, and I think that might have somehow confused the daemon?

grep for "Obtaining stack traces and core dumps on Unix systems" in the README.md file.

Rebooting while the daemon is running should be fine.

Hi everyone. I'm new.

Hi. I'm old.

How old?

42

42 is The Answer

That number always works. For life, the universe and everything.

<sethsimmons "Who is Palantir?"> It is bullish

Yeah, well, "everything" is right there in the description of the question.

I'm off for lunch.

put another way:

out to launch, back when lit

Howard, you know why all the 'Titanic intelligence Saviour of NASA' posts stopped last year? They know you are an embarrassment. Your arse didn't learn anything new in 25 years, and that includes C++. They just can't say it to your face.

Just tried. SideShift works.

Received just what I expected. Guess I have a way to trade currencies without the need of falling for a scam then.

Hooray for cryptocurrencies!

Aw, fuck... 20 more dollars for a Ledger.

* Huh. I misread. I don't have 31 USD... I have 31 DOGE.

Anyway, I'll go buy Monero when a dip comes by.

When I get a Ledger, I'll have a true reason to use Monero.

There's a dip right now.

<moneromooo "There's a dip right now."> Really?

.... fuck.

<moneromooo "There's a dip right now."> I saw rate.sx. It's in the middle right now, what I just did was increasingly risky... >_<

sethsimmons: it is kind of line praising chain analysis companies for accepting btc/monero

.duckcall

Metamorphosis: ・゜゜・。。​・゜゜(')> 🦆 'QUACK QUACK!!'

.befr

Metamorphosis: IT GOBBLED THE TREAT! Time: ≈3.37 sec Lucky Duck! You get 0.00000008 XMR! [bc1b65a7] Ratio: 19 of 25 Treats: 1 of 2

.reload

Metamorphosis: You're reloaded with 2 bullets & 2 treats.

.duckcall

moneromooo: There was just a duck! Try again in about ≈3 min.

.befr

ern: WTDuck you trying to befriend? They'll come when they're ready or try .duckcall

.duckcall

ern: There was just a duck! Try again in about ≈8 min.

meh

Another idea for interesting new blockchain related technologies turns out to be terrible. pcgamer.com/chia-mining-can-wreck-a-512gb-ssd-in-as-little-as-6-weeks

back to Monero

apotheon: also the chia devs have given themselves 21 years worth of supply :P - very fair and very cool

right

that too

I was more interested in whether the tech was interesting than what this particular group was doing with it.

Good ideas could be used by other projects with founders who might be less scammy, after all.

.duckcall

moneromooo: Sorry no ducks for you! Try again in about ≈23 hrs 52 min

:(

a tech that is designed to burn out SSDs sounds like a pretty stupid idea

Whereas a tech that is designed to burn out CPus sounds like a very clever idea.

well, run within their rated temperature range, the CPUs don't burn out

CPUs don't have lifetimes measured in ops. whereas SSDs do.

I read that some SSDs die within a couple months of Chia mining

I guess. I'm mining atm and my laptop is constantly close to its thermal shutdown temp. That can't be healthy.

though maybe I misremember and it isn't that bad

temp 101, crit is 103.

mooo are you using all cores? I always stop at half

I... don't actually know :D

yeah laptops tend to have anemic cooling so that's not a great situation

Hmm. No threads option so I guess... one thread ?

selsta that's what apotheon's link says. 6 weeks.

top hints two threads, for a 2 core cpu.

if you're worried about longevity, should cut that back to 1 thread

Well, I'll stop in a couple days, I'm just mining to test orphan rate on short blocks.

19:47 < hyc> a tech that is designed to burn out SSDs sounds like a pretty stupid idea

agreed

it's not really 'green' either

I haven't heard of anyone recycling dead flash memory

armchair analysis of the Chia situation: twitter.com/apotheon/status/1392195505300533248

the board & controllers are probably still perfectly fine when the flash dies

including how brown that "green" tech looks

i hope it goes to zero at launch

the only reason I noticed it is 'cuz my brother emailed me about it, saying his cost to order drives has gone way up

so it makes paperweights, like ASIC mining does, but in only weeks instead of in months. Brilliant.

hyc: sounds like it has a worse impact on environment if it kills SSDs in 6 weeks

definitely

and like I said, I don't think anyone is recycling them

hm. Wstern Digital has a mail-in recycling program

I suspect the devices consume less energy than the ASICs, overall . . . but I don't really know. The environmental impact might even out, but I suspect it's worse in the case of producing paperweights so quickly, considering all the environmental impact of material source, manufacturing, and delivery.

(and packaging, for that matter)

hyc: Is the recycling program only for WD devices?

yeah, typical 2.5" SSD runs on 5W or less

no you can send any maker's drives to them

(if previously encryped ^_^)

Even if it was only WD, though, that'd be huge. I seem to recall WD's market impact for storage devices is bigger than all the competitors put together.

Maybe that's not still true. I don't know.

moneromooo: right

dunno. I thought seagate was the leader

I think Seagate was a leader for specific market segments, but WD for storage tech overall.

ah

Then again, I learned that from a WD dude, so maybe the numbers got massaged.

If a drive is "dead" what's the likelihood of someone going to the trouble of trying to resurrect it enough to scrape data off it?

in a recycling shop

If they know who sent it, they might have a list/filter. And it depends why dead.

If the "recycling shop" is one of the world's biggest computer technology hardware companies, incorporated in the US, and receives enough money from the US government, the likelihood might increase substantially.

I mean, if I was the NSA, I'd have such a list sent to them, with a gag order.

yep

We had to decommission SSDs by drilling holes into the platters

That helps.

technically, you could prob rig up a drive that still reads the remaining sectors

I know that was common practice at a number of different corps back in the day.

Some data recovery places use(d) electron scanning microscopes for HDDs, so there's that.

oh really, hadn't heard that. makes sense. prob works for flash too

It depends on how badly you want your data back. Using ESMs can't be cheap.

probably

I'm not the expert.

Maybe I should fill a disk with goatse and send it to recycling with a return address as the GRU building or something...

I'd prefer to disassemble HDDs and use the platters as targets for shooting practice.

moneromooo: good plan

Ooooh, ESMs might be electronic nowadays. So...

good timing for a netsplit

Fill the disk with something that exploits a buffer overflow in the ESM software ^_^

Step 1. Find that program...

like the buffer overflow attack against that DNA sequencer?

Haven't heard of that...

moneromooo: another fun idea (re: exploits)

join #tmux

it was heavily contrived, they removed a lot of safeguards to accomplish it

hyc: I don't think I've heard of that, either.

grrr

f-chymera: forgot a /

I did hear about Ross Anderson's finger crashing the FBI (IIRC) fingerprint scanner though. That was nice.

apotheon: yea

God grant me the power to crash biometric systems with my biometrics.

privacy DNA

I'm looking forward to encrypted DNA so it can only be analyzed with my permission.

hmmm yeah I could see the same concept for fingerprint scanner

and anyone with a decent laser can probably custom etch a fingerprint for you

laser printer even, onto an adhesive tape layer

That one hadn't been on purpose AFAIK.

Just an injured finger.

I'll keep the laser-etched fingerprint idea in mind for when the gub'mint outlaws thinking.

oh

. . . and I inevitably become a fugitive from the law as a result.

You think you'd keep thinking ?

I hope I die of old age before things get so far gone

I see hyc learnt not to underspecify conditions, good ^_^

I am also well prepared with fully-specified wishes in case I ever encounter a genie

.duckcall

Metamorphosis: Sorry no ducks for you! Try again in about ≈23 hrs 58 min

But yeah. Part of me would like to die before we get into too heavy fascistland, part of me would love to be back in 1000 years to see what changed.

Or even 200.

heh yeah would like to see a Gene Roddenberry 23rd century

though we never really saw what life for civilians was like in Star Trek

.duckcall

Metamorphosis: Patience.. You tried too soon! Try again in about ≈19 min.

.duckcall

Inge-: Sorry no ducks for you! Try again in about ≈3 hrs 35 min

According to TNG tjere was a pretty dsrk period between now and the time of the Federation

I hope I live forever and never see things get that bad.

hyc: Please share your full-specified wishes with me. I'd like some inspiration for developing some of my own.

moneromooo: . . . and yeah, I expect to still be thinking.

I still have a t-shirt that reads "Think: It's not illegal yet."

.bal

Metamorphosis: 0.00002171 XMR (≈$0.01)

.duckcall

Metamorphosis: Patience.. You tried too soon! Try again in about ≈8 min.

.beg

p​arazyd: How many letters i​n dog

3

parazyd: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000077 XMR to parazyd [b2123da2] Wait ≈23 hrs 58 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01663786

.beg

Metamorphosis: OOPS! 30 min penalty. 24 hours to go.

What are the chances of hitting a block at current difficulty with 2.2KH/s-4.3KH/s?(I use my pc while mining at 100% cpu usage, the reason it fluctuates so much is because my desktop is staying fully responsive with muqss, those values are from xmrig with 1GiB huge pages on, and msr applied)

I can't imagine the chances being high while the whole network is at around up to 10GH/s ?

oftc and google is down

oh 2.7GH/s I stand corrected

00:17 <monerobux> At 2300 h/s with network diff of 3.15e+11 and block reward 1.03 you can expect 0.0006 XMR per day.

kubast2: ^

kubast2: if you are talking solo mining then 1353 days on average to find a block and during that time the chances against you will probably increase

assuming increase in price. also current block reward is 1 and in 1353 days it will be 0.6

ofc it might only take you 1 minute or 8000 days

I guess I can always run a single thread on solo, and 5 on pool

gamble a single core away

I will get like 3.5-4.3kh/s when I don't do anything at 6 cores

I almost have the walled synced up

oh monerod takes a single core as well, so that's why I am not hitting 5KH/s I remembered it hit

while syncing the chain, after syncing monerod takes very little resources

o/