00:32:56 <apotheon> https://twitter.com/AntiwarNews/status/1391876111185760256
00:32:58 <apotheon> call for testing
00:38:51 <chad[m]> <rottenwheel[m] "https://twitter.com/rottenwheel/"> Maximalism is unhealthy for the maximalist and all who interact with him. And not just Bitcoin/crypto maximalism. A huge part of learning/growing involves acknowledging that you don't already know all the answers.... which is antithetical to maximalism.
00:40:14 <apotheon> decent analysis
00:40:24 <apotheon> People named Chad are often right.
00:41:16 <rottenwheel> lol.
00:42:25 <chad[m]> Tonight I'm Chad the Philosopher
00:46:30 <apotheon> No, I'm Chad the Philosopher.  You have to be some other Chad.
00:46:45 <apotheon> You could be Chad a Philosopher.
00:47:43 <PiRATA> I could be Chad the Philanthropist
00:47:55 <apotheon> sure, do it
00:48:00 <PiRATA> but need the $
00:48:02 <PiRATA> xD
00:49:20 <chad[m]> > You could be Chad a Philosopher.
00:49:20 <chad[m]> I can live with that
00:50:30 <apotheon> cool beans
00:50:46 <apotheon> I feel like we could get along.
00:54:25 <chad[m]> Feels like team spirit. Wanna be besties?
00:55:42 <PiRATA> lol
00:57:02 <apotheon> chad[m]: Sure!
00:57:15 <apotheon> . . . as long as I don't have to *smell* it.
00:58:09 <chad[m]> Lol, yeah, I dropped ye olde ball on that one
01:10:00 <louipc> you smelling balls now
01:12:11 <RMP360> o
01:12:59 <RMP360> hi
01:13:02 <RMP360> hello
01:15:42 <louipc> bye
01:46:16 <DisBotXMR2> <BrianTX> Can anyone disprove my fud that Monero won’t be widely adopted for normal usage (i.e. not privacy focused tasks like drug purchasing) due to the fact that even if the blockchain is updated to quantum resistant cryptography the old non-resistant blockchain still exists and will be attacked.  And that Monero is mainly only usable if doing non-kyc.  Or with the acceptance that your history will likely one day be exposed if
01:46:16 <DisBotXMR2> you have a general use wallet?  But in Monero’s case when you improve the encryption it leaves behind the old transaction data with the old standard. Cause if my home network for example was vulnerable to a new hack I could upgrade to a new standard and everything is protected. Nothing is left behind on the old standard
01:46:49 <DisBotXMR2> <BrianTX> This is from the discord channel. Copied their words, not mine.  I told them to come here.
01:48:38 <selsta> Don't understand the point. It won't be widely used because quantum at some point in the future could break it?
01:48:38 <Quotes> But it's easy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w
01:51:07 <selsta> Your history might get exposed in e.g. 10 years. At least you had 10 years of privacy compared to 0 with bitcoin.
01:51:13 <selsta> Maybe I'm missing the point :)
01:52:04 <DisBotXMR2> <BrianTX> I think that his point is that people can download the old blockchain.   The old blockchain will have the old encryption methods. If they are broken, then you will have everyone's transaction histories, IPs, senders, receivers, etc. Even if the newer blockchain is good, you're still screwed because they "have" you from the past. I think that is, more or less, what he is saying. You will not truly have privacy forever.
01:52:30 <DisBotXMR2> <BrianTX> Again, not my words. I told him that I'm not a developer and to just come over and find one to talk to. Lol
01:52:37 <selsta> Chains don't contain IPs.
01:52:54 <DisBotXMR2> <BrianTX> I'm just trying to convey what he said.
01:53:58 <selsta> oki
01:59:30 <DisBotXMR2> <Maddog4013> I’d like to hear how this isn’t an issue
02:00:25 <DisBotXMR2> <Maddog4013> I think if this is true then it kills adoption for your average user that’s not doing non-kyc privacy focused transactions
02:06:55 <DisBotXMR2> <BrianTX> ^This is who wants to know. If there is a better channel for him to head to, just let him know.
02:10:45 <nikg83[m]> How much would it cost to do a full monero code audit ? can we do a CCS for it ?
02:50:22 <riwodhpexsfs> You will DO what Monero tells you to do. You will JUMP when you are told to jump. And most importantly you will DISCONNECT whoever Scientology^H^H^H^H^H I mean Mnero tells you to disconnect. Otherwise you WILL end up like lh1008 here:
02:50:22 <riwodhpexsfs> monerologs.net/monero-community/20210114#c181614 And you will do it all for FREE. Because Monero is open souce :D Just like Linux is there to pay for $700k watches that Torvalds wears.
02:57:48 <louipc> lol i was thinking torvalds was a watch guy for a second
03:37:44 <nphitkibnsl> Look on the bright side. At least you don't need to obsess over signs of life from FUK now.
03:38:32 <louipc> whom
03:53:33 <TheFireSwamp> .val DELIVERED FRONT DESK/RECEPTION/MAIL ROOM
03:53:33 <Wallet> TheFireSwamp: Sorry pair not found & cryptonator not yet implemented..
03:53:47 <TheFireSwamp> 0.087736
03:53:58 <TheFireSwamp> .val 0.087736 xmr
03:53:58 <Wallet> TheFireSwamp: ≈$37.6272 • ≈ value of: 0.087736 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm
05:10:49 <iplpdosy> You will DO what Monero tells you to do. You will JUMP when you are told to jump. And most importantly you will DISCONNECT whoever Scientology^H^H^H^H^H I mean Mnero tells you to disconnect. Otherwise you WILL end up like lh1008 here:
05:10:50 <iplpdosy> monerologs.net/monero-community/20210114#c181614 And you will do it all for FREE. Because Monero is open souce :D Just like Linux is there to pay for $700k watches that Torvalds wears.
05:22:09 <f-chymera> hi guys, I moved my wallet file to a new machine, but I can't start monero-wallet-cli with it, I get `Error: Key file not found. Failed to open wallet:` — I checked and the files have the same size, checksum, and permissions on both machines
05:24:56 <Metamorphosis> .beg
05:32:16 <f-chymera> Metamorphosis: .beg?
05:33:05 <Metamorphosis> Well, I was thinking of some small Monroe tipping(like in doge and ldoge)
05:35:54 <grc001[m]> f-chymera: someone of expertise will probably help you out soon, they always helpful
06:15:15 <Mochi101> .faucet
06:15:16 <Wallet> Mo​chi101: Of 2 & 0, w​hich is 2
06:15:20 <Mochi101> 2
06:15:20 <Wallet> Mochi101: @bonuspot tipped 0.000004 XMR to Mochi101 [3afa61cd] Wait ≈1 day 1 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01668283
06:15:31 <Mochi101> Metamorphosis, ^^^
07:02:35 <f-chymera> ok, the issue seems to have been that I also needed to transfer the *.keys file
07:21:38 <Inge-> yeah the .keys file is what is needed to see/spend transactions
07:22:10 <Inge-> the actual wallet file is mostly just metadata about transactions - i.e. things like the destination address you have sent to, descriptions you have added to accounts and subaddresses etc
07:30:51 <Norkle> .faucet
07:30:52 <Wallet> N​orkle: Which is bigge​r, 3 or 1
07:30:57 <Norkle> 3
07:30:57 <Wallet> Norkle: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000033 XMR to Norkle [a47340c2] Wait ≈1 day 1 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01667953
08:34:22 <zqaaoaqc> FIY, you want to know why you are getting those daily messages? Cults NEED to control information. That's why people like lh1008 get savagly attacked (also called disconnection) for even talking to me. Break the information embargo, break the cult. Who would sign up to Scientology if they knew from the get-go that is is about a sci-fi alien overlord? Who would sign up to MAGA if they knew what a loser Trump is?
08:34:22 <zqaaoaqc> You don't sign up to MAGA to do a failed Viking LARP and some time off in club fed. You sign up because you feel like shit and they promise to give you self-respect. It is a total lie of course, you are still a joke even when cosplaying a Viking. Just like Monero's promise of privacy is a lie.
09:03:26 <Inge-> .faucet
09:03:29 <Wallet> I​nge-: Of 2 or 6, whi​ch is 2
09:03:31 <Inge-> 2
09:03:32 <Wallet> Inge-: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000033 XMR to Inge- [9a46765c] Wait ≈23 hrs 59 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01667623
09:03:40 <Inge-> These are quality questions.
09:10:17 <Mochi101> Are you sure that your education qualifies you to answer them though Inge- ?
09:11:04 <Inge-> As one brick in the wall to just another brick in the wall, yeah pretty much.
09:58:26 <Metamorphosis> .beg
09:58:26 <Wallet> Metamorphosis: OOPS! 30 min penalty. 19 hours to go.
10:06:49 <f-chymera> hi guys, so my monerod service keeps crashing, I get this from the log — any idea what this could be? https://bpa.st/ZBIA
10:09:31 <moneromooo> Make sure you have cores enabled (see README) then paste a stack trace after it crashes ("gdb /path/to/monerod core*" in shell, "bt" in gdb).
10:09:59 <moneromooo> That log doesn't show anything wrong.
12:42:14 <scunningham_xmr> Justin Ehrenhofer will be joining a privacy coin themed episode of Crypto and Coffee on Clubhouse at 9am EST. Rueben Firo from Zcoin is also here. Join us! https://www.joinclubhouse.com/room/P9z3kOQA
12:43:30 <Inge-> I thought it was Reuben from Firo (used to be ZCoin) ...
12:43:58 <sethsimmons> <scunningham_xmr "Justin Ehrenhofer will be joinin"> Sadly busy, but glad Monero will be represented!
12:44:13 <sethsimmons> <Inge- "I thought it was Reuben from Fir"> Yes lol
12:44:16 <sethsimmons> It's now Firo
12:44:32 <Inge-> I don't think Reubens his last name is Firo....
12:44:40 <bobbieweirder[m]> Reuban Yap
12:45:18 <sethsimmons> His Twitter name is Reuben Firo FWIW
12:45:22 <sethsimmons> But yes, that's his full name
12:59:56 <Metamorphosis> .beg
12:59:56 <Wallet> Metamorphosis: OOPS! 30 min penalty. 17 hours to go.
14:22:06 <gingeropolous> .beg
14:22:07 <Wallet> gi​ngeropolous: Wh​ich is smallest, 8 5 or 7
14:22:11 <gingeropolous> 5
14:22:11 <Wallet> gingeropolous: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000025 XMR to gingeropolous [ad6d20b1] Wait ≈23 hrs 54 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01665373
14:22:17 <gingeropolous> lol
14:22:32 <gingeropolous> .tip Metamorphosis 0.0000025
14:22:32 <Wallet> gingeropolous: Oops: 0.0000025 - invalid amount (must be 0.00001 or more)
14:22:35 <PiRATA> what
14:22:50 <PiRATA> .beg
14:22:52 <Wallet> P​iRATA: How many char​s in ram
14:22:58 <PiRATA> 3
14:22:58 <Wallet> PiRATA: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000033 XMR to PiRATA [8374399d] Wait ≈23 hrs 53 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01665043
14:26:33 <sethsimmons> .beg
14:26:34 <Wallet> sethsimmons: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.
14:26:34 <Wallet> se​thsimmons: How long i​s the word cent
14:26:42 <sethsimmons> 4 letters
14:26:43 <Wallet> sethsimmons: Oops that is not correct. Try again later. (No not immediately or I'll just ignore you..)
14:26:47 <sethsimmons> .
14:26:53 <sethsimmons> fu Wallet
14:27:16 <sethsimmons> Guess they wanted it without the unit, which is just wrong
14:28:17 <PiRATA> .beg
14:28:18 <Wallet> PiRATA: OOPS! 30 min penalty. 25 hours to go.
14:28:28 <PiRATA> .fuckme
14:29:06 <sethsimmons> Wallet: 4
14:29:20 <sethsimmons> .beg
14:29:31 <sethsimmons> FINE THEN
14:32:04 <lafudoci[m]> My two nodes keep crash in these days.
14:32:19 <sethsimmons> With what error/log?
14:37:45 <lafudoci[m]> no error, just crash, with lots of 1 block behind. but I did have --enable-dns-blocklist
14:38:27 <sethsimmons> What version?
14:38:44 <lafudoci[m]> v0.17.2.0-release
14:38:46 <sethsimmons> Is there no error in the logs, or have you not checked logs
14:38:47 <sethsimmons> What's OS, how is daemon being run (command line, GUI, systemd, Docker, etc)
14:39:58 <lafudoci[m]> They are on windows7 and 10, command line
14:40:32 <sethsimmons> And nothing in logs, or have you just not checked logs?
14:40:41 <lafudoci[m]> oops I have log-level=0 setting
14:40:48 <sethsimmons> Ah
14:42:11 <lafudoci[m]> will level 1 be enough?
14:42:21 <sethsimmons> Should be for general errors
14:48:30 <lafudoci[m]> btw, before these crashing, their RPC were frequently DoS
14:54:15 <sethsimmons> <lafudoci[m] "btw, before these crashing, thei"> These are helpful flags if publishing public RPC:
14:56:39 <lafudoci[m]> 2021-05-11 14:54:33.813	[RPC1]	ERROR	net.ssl	contrib/epee/src/net_ssl.cpp:550	SSL handshake failed, connection dropped: ³s½u¤w³Q±z¥D¾÷¤Wªº³nÅ餤¤î¡C
14:56:39 <lafudoci[m]> 2021-05-11 14:54:33.813	[RPC1]	ERROR	net	contrib/epee/include/net/abstract_tcp_server2.inl:479	SSL handshake failed
14:56:51 <sethsimmons> Yikes
14:57:05 <lafudoci[m]> crashed again uptime 10 min lol
14:57:09 <sethsimmons> Use the second flag above to disable that DoS vector if that is crashing it
14:57:32 <sethsimmons> Looks like you're a favorite of our friendly neighborhood network attacker 🙂
15:00:26 <gingeropolous> i didn't see the flags pasted sethsimmons
15:00:44 <sethsimmons> They're the ones I think you shared: --disable-rpc-ban --rpc-ssl=disabled
15:00:59 <gingeropolous> i dunno about --disable-rpc-bin
15:01:01 <gingeropolous> ban
15:01:08 <gingeropolous> but --rpc-ssl disabled for sure
15:01:15 <sethsimmons> ok
15:01:16 <gingeropolous> i dunno if it works with the =. the = is when its in a conf file
15:01:31 <gingeropolous> maybe it works on the command args as well
15:01:32 <sethsimmons> it does, I'm using those flags right now
15:01:44 <gingeropolous> word
15:01:59 <gingeropolous> im curious what having rpc-ssl disabled actually does
15:02:22 <sethsimmons> Just disables SSL usage for RPC, but most wallets don't use SSL anyways
15:02:29 <gingeropolous> does the CLI or GUI?
15:02:38 <sethsimmons> Not sure actually
15:02:44 <sethsimmons> Just know mobile wallets don't default to it
15:02:49 <gingeropolous> right
15:02:55 <gingeropolous> and thats who uses remote nodes effectively
15:04:23 <lafudoci[m]> I used rpc-ssl=disabled in conf file, it works
15:04:51 <lafudoci[m]> is disable-rpc-ban worth to enable?
15:05:17 <lafudoci[m]> It looks like a protection
15:11:02 <sethsimmons> It's up to you
15:11:14 <sethsimmons> I had issues with it in the past but it's probably safest to not use that flag
15:16:49 <lafudoci[m]> I see, thank you so much. I was so annoyed by this for a while but didn't fond discussion on other place.
15:17:01 <sethsimmons> np!
15:17:48 <sgp_> https://www.reddit.com/r/cakewallet/comments/n9yw6j/urgent_action_needed_for_bitcoin_wallets_in_cake/
15:18:07 <sethsimmons> Yikes
15:32:25 <volantaryism1[m]> MARA has now mined 6 OFAC blocks 682816, 682593, 682537, 682472, 682170, 682843
15:32:45 <volantaryism1[m]> sgp_: they should push a notification in their app
15:42:09 <Inge-> Bitcoin MAXIs think thst Palantir accepting btc is bullish https://twitter.com/APompliano/status/1392116058761449473?s=19
16:27:52 <azy> .faucet
16:27:52 <Wallet> ​azy: How many c​haracters in pot
16:27:54 <azy> 3
16:27:55 <Wallet> azy: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000014 XMR to azy [12f2d220] Wait ≈23 hrs 56 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01664903
16:27:57 <azy> blaze it
16:38:52 <Metamorphosis> hi
16:44:00 <SerHack> .faucet
16:44:03 <Wallet> S​erHack: 10000000 ​times 3 divided by 7 multiplied by 0
16:44:10 <SerHack> 0
16:44:11 <Wallet> SerHack: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000033 XMR to SerHack [ec20cefe] Wait ≈1 day 27 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01664573
16:48:52 <sethsimmons> <Inge- "Bitcoin MAXIs think thst Palanti"> Who is Palantir?
16:51:20 <sech1> Surveillance software/company
17:02:08 <tpdcl[m]> .faucet
17:02:09 <Wallet> tpdcl[m]: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in?
17:02:24 <tpdcl[m]> oof
17:32:25 <Mochi101> https://archive.is/uqHxO/d17983fcd1f0ed7251b7690354a1ff4c03229399.jpg
17:32:41 <Mochi101> oops... ignore that...
17:36:01 <jj1013[m]> There was a website which classified a bunch of Monero exchanges. What was it again?
17:36:13 <jj1013[m]> Nevermind, remembered it.
17:36:40 <jj1013[m]> I'm looking for a non-KYC exchange which lists both XMR and DOGE.
17:37:45 <selsta> tradeogre
17:38:04 <selsta> has both BTC-XMR and BTC-DOGE and no KYC
17:42:21 <jj1013[m]> <selsta "tradeogre"> Oh. I read your message after finding one.
17:42:36 <jj1013[m]> I do wonder if SideShift is a good one?
17:45:25 <selsta> TradeOgre is legit, don't know regarding side shift
17:45:42 <f-chymera> moneromooo: this is what I get, apparently no cores? https://bpa.st/3AAA I don't see how to set them in the README, though. One part talks about the make command, and it was made with -j12, the other part talks abotu docker, and I'm not using it in docker.
17:46:11 <f-chymera> it did work before, though, I just rebooted my computer as it was running, and I think that might have somehow confused the daemon?
17:47:24 <moneromooo> grep for "Obtaining stack traces and core dumps on Unix systems" in the README.md file.
17:47:43 <moneromooo> Rebooting while the daemon is running should be fine.
17:56:25 <Leroy> Hi everyone. I'm new.
17:56:51 <apotheon> Hi.  I'm old.
17:57:16 <Leroy> How old?
17:57:51 <apotheon> 42
17:58:00 <apotheon> 42 is The Answer
18:00:39 <Leroy> That number always works. For life, the universe and everything.
18:00:46 <pml4[m]> <sethsimmons "Who is Palantir?"> It is bullish
18:01:45 <apotheon> Yeah, well, "everything" is right there in the description of the question.
18:01:57 <apotheon> I'm off for lunch.
18:02:00 <apotheon> put another way:
18:02:05 <apotheon> out to launch, back when lit
18:09:29 <aysordmiplk> Howard, you know why all the 'Titanic intelligence Saviour of NASA' posts stopped last year? They know you are an embarrassment. Your arse didn't learn anything new in 25 years, and that includes C++. They just can't say it to your face.
18:22:59 <jj1013[m]> Just tried. SideShift works.
18:23:17 <jj1013[m]> Received just what I expected. Guess I have a way to trade currencies without the need of falling for a scam then.
18:23:33 <jj1013[m]> Hooray for cryptocurrencies!
18:31:51 <jj1013[m]> Aw, fuck... 20 more dollars for a Ledger.
18:34:01 <jj1013[m]>  * Huh. I misread. I don't have 31 USD... I have 31 DOGE.
18:34:25 <jj1013[m]> Anyway, I'll go buy Monero when a dip comes by.
18:35:06 <jj1013[m]> When I get a Ledger, I'll have a true reason to use Monero.
18:37:58 <moneromooo> There's a dip right now.
18:38:41 <jj1013[m]> <moneromooo "There's a dip right now."> Really?
18:38:44 <jj1013[m]> .... fuck.
18:40:04 <jj1013[m]> <moneromooo "There's a dip right now."> I saw rate.sx. It's in the middle right now, what I just did was increasingly risky... >_<
19:03:56 <Inge-> sethsimmons: it is kind of line praising chain analysis companies for accepting btc/monero
19:13:21 <Metamorphosis> .duckcall
19:13:22 <Wallet> Metamorphosis: ・゜゜・。。​・゜゜(')> 🦆 'QUACK QUACK!!'
19:13:25 <Metamorphosis> .befr
19:13:25 <Wallet> Metamorphosis: IT GOBBLED THE TREAT! Time: ≈3.37 sec Lucky Duck! You get 0.00000008 XMR! [bc1b65a7] Ratio: 19 of 25 Treats: 1 of 2
19:13:34 <Metamorphosis> .reload
19:13:34 <Wallet> Metamorphosis: You're reloaded with 2 bullets & 2 treats.
19:23:54 <moneromooo> .duckcall
19:23:54 <Wallet> moneromooo: There was just a duck! Try again in about ≈3 min.
19:27:33 <ern> .befr
19:27:36 <Wallet> ern: WTDuck you trying to befriend? They'll come when they're ready or try .duckcall
19:27:39 <ern> .duckcall
19:27:40 <Wallet> ern: There was just a duck! Try again in about ≈8 min.
19:27:45 <ern> meh
19:34:40 <apotheon> Another idea for interesting new blockchain related technologies turns out to be terrible.  https://www.pcgamer.com/chia-mining-can-wreck-a-512gb-ssd-in-as-little-as-6-weeks/
19:35:03 <apotheon> back to Monero
19:35:13 <asymptotically> apotheon: also the chia devs have given themselves 21 years worth of supply :P - very fair and very cool
19:36:11 <apotheon> right
19:36:12 <apotheon> that too
19:36:32 <apotheon> I was more interested in whether the tech was interesting than what this particular group was doing with it.
19:37:33 <apotheon> Good ideas could be used by other projects with founders who might be less scammy, after all.
19:43:45 <moneromooo> .duckcall
19:43:45 <Wallet> moneromooo: Sorry no ducks for you! Try again in about ≈23 hrs 52 min
19:43:49 <moneromooo> :(
19:47:05 <hyc> a tech that is designed to burn out SSDs sounds like a pretty stupid idea
19:48:14 <moneromooo> Whereas a tech that is designed to burn out CPus sounds like a very clever idea.
19:48:56 <hyc> well, run within their rated temperature range, the CPUs don't burn out
19:49:34 <hyc> CPUs don't have lifetimes measured in ops. whereas SSDs do.
19:51:01 <selsta> I read that some SSDs die within a couple months of Chia mining
19:51:07 <moneromooo> I guess. I'm mining atm and my laptop is constantly close to its thermal shutdown temp. That can't be healthy.
19:51:15 <selsta> though maybe I misremember and it isn't that bad
19:51:50 <moneromooo> temp 101, crit is 103.
19:52:01 <hyc> mooo are you using all cores? I always stop at half
19:52:14 <moneromooo> I... don't actually know :D
19:52:49 <hyc> yeah laptops tend to have anemic cooling so that's not a great situation
19:53:09 <moneromooo> Hmm. No threads option so I guess... one thread ?
19:53:38 <hyc> selsta that's what apotheon's link says. 6 weeks.
19:53:51 <moneromooo> top hints two threads, for a 2 core cpu.
19:54:17 <hyc> if you're worried about longevity, should cut that back to 1 thread
19:54:44 <moneromooo> Well, I'll stop in a couple days, I'm just mining to test orphan rate on short blocks.
19:55:05 <apotheon> 19:47 < hyc> a tech that is designed to burn out SSDs sounds like a pretty stupid idea
19:55:08 <apotheon> agreed
19:56:10 <vdo[m]> it's not really 'green' either
19:56:38 <hyc> I haven't heard of anyone recycling dead flash memory
19:56:57 <apotheon> armchair analysis of the Chia situation: https://twitter.com/apotheon/status/1392195505300533248
19:56:58 <hyc> the board & controllers are probably still perfectly fine when the flash dies
19:57:07 <apotheon> including how brown that "green" tech looks
19:57:28 <vdo[m]> i hope it goes to zero at launch
19:59:13 <hyc> the only reason I noticed it is 'cuz my brother emailed me about it, saying his cost to order drives has gone way up
20:00:20 <hyc> so it makes paperweights, like ASIC mining does, but in only weeks instead of in months. Brilliant.
20:00:57 <selsta> hyc: sounds like it has a worse impact on environment if it kills SSDs in 6 weeks
20:01:05 <hyc> definitely
20:01:33 <hyc> and like I said, I don't think anyone is recycling them
20:02:24 <hyc> hm. Wstern Digital has a mail-in recycling program
20:02:57 <apotheon> I suspect the devices consume less energy than the ASICs, overall . . . but I don't really know.  The environmental impact might even out, but I suspect it's worse in the case of producing paperweights so quickly, considering all the environmental impact of material source, manufacturing, and delivery.
20:03:02 <apotheon> (and packaging, for that matter)
20:03:31 <apotheon> hyc: Is the recycling program only for WD devices?
20:03:36 <hyc> yeah, typical 2.5" SSD runs on 5W or less
20:03:44 <hyc> no you can send any maker's drives to them
20:04:06 <moneromooo> (if previously encryped ^_^)
20:04:17 <apotheon> Even if it was only WD, though, that'd be huge.  I seem to recall WD's market impact for storage devices is bigger than all the competitors put together.
20:04:22 <apotheon> Maybe that's not still true.  I don't know.
20:04:36 <apotheon> moneromooo: right
20:04:37 <hyc> dunno. I thought seagate was the leader
20:05:00 <apotheon> I think Seagate was a leader for specific market segments, but WD for storage tech overall.
20:05:04 <hyc> ah
20:05:32 <apotheon> Then again, I learned that from a WD dude, so maybe the numbers got massaged.
20:05:33 <hyc> If a drive is "dead" what's the likelihood of someone going to the trouble of trying to resurrect it enough to scrape data off it?
20:05:45 <hyc> in a recycling shop
20:06:16 <moneromooo> If they know who sent it, they might have a list/filter. And it depends why dead.
20:06:26 <apotheon> If the "recycling shop" is one of the world's biggest computer technology hardware companies, incorporated in the US, and receives enough money from the US government, the likelihood might increase substantially.
20:06:41 <moneromooo> I mean, if I was the NSA, I'd have such a list sent to them, with a gag order.
20:06:48 <apotheon> yep
20:07:00 <hyc> We had to decommission SSDs by drilling holes into the platters
20:07:09 <apotheon> That helps.
20:07:17 <hyc> technically, you could prob rig up a drive that still reads the remaining sectors
20:07:23 <apotheon> I know that was common practice at a number of different corps back in the day.
20:07:49 <apotheon> Some data recovery places use(d) electron scanning microscopes for HDDs, so there's that.
20:08:08 <hyc> oh really, hadn't heard that. makes sense. prob works for flash too
20:08:29 <apotheon> It depends on how badly you want your data back.  Using ESMs can't be cheap.
20:08:45 <apotheon> probably
20:08:50 <apotheon> I'm not the expert.
20:09:10 <moneromooo> Maybe I should fill a disk with goatse and send it to recycling with a return address as the GRU building or something...
20:09:27 <apotheon> I'd prefer to disassemble HDDs and use the platters as targets for shooting practice.
20:09:43 <apotheon> moneromooo: good plan
20:10:00 <moneromooo> Ooooh, ESMs might be electronic nowadays. So...
20:10:03 <apotheon> good timing for a netsplit
20:10:15 <moneromooo> Fill the disk with something that exploits a buffer overflow in the ESM software ^_^
20:10:26 <moneromooo> Step 1. Find that program...
20:10:46 <hyc> like the buffer overflow attack against that DNA sequencer?
20:10:58 <moneromooo> Haven't heard of that...
20:11:06 <apotheon> moneromooo: another fun idea (re: exploits)
20:11:21 <f-chymera> join #tmux
20:11:23 <hyc> it was heavily contrived, they removed a lot of safeguards to accomplish it
20:11:24 <apotheon> hyc: I don't think I've heard of that, either.
20:11:24 <f-chymera> grrr
20:11:30 <apotheon> f-chymera: forgot a /
20:11:33 <moneromooo> I did hear about Ross Anderson's finger crashing the FBI (IIRC) fingerprint scanner though. That was nice.
20:11:36 <f-chymera> apotheon: yea
20:12:05 <apotheon> God grant me the power to crash biometric systems with my biometrics.
20:12:15 <hyc> https://www.wired.com/story/malware-dna-hack/
20:12:52 <apotheon> privacy DNA
20:13:20 <apotheon> I'm looking forward to encrypted DNA so it can only be analyzed with my permission.
20:16:15 <hyc> hmmm yeah I could see the same concept for fingerprint scanner
20:16:42 <hyc> and anyone with a decent laser can probably custom etch a fingerprint for you
20:17:02 <hyc> laser printer even, onto an adhesive tape layer
20:17:11 <moneromooo> That one hadn't been on purpose AFAIK.
20:17:28 <moneromooo> Just an injured finger.
20:17:40 <apotheon> I'll keep the laser-etched fingerprint idea in mind for when the gub'mint outlaws thinking.
20:17:42 <hyc> oh
20:17:57 <apotheon> . . . and I inevitably become a fugitive from the law as a result.
20:18:16 <moneromooo> You think you'd keep thinking ?
20:19:44 <hyc> I hope I die of old age before things get so far gone
20:20:06 <moneromooo> I see hyc learnt not to underspecify conditions, good ^_^
20:20:32 <hyc> I am also well prepared with fully-specified wishes in case I ever encounter a genie
20:20:37 <Metamorphosis> .duckcall
20:20:38 <Wallet> Metamorphosis: Sorry no ducks for you! Try again in about ≈23 hrs 58 min
20:21:20 <moneromooo> But yeah. Part of me would like to die before we get into too heavy fascistland, part of me would love to be back in 1000 years to see what changed.
20:21:28 <moneromooo> Or even 200.
20:22:26 <hyc> heh yeah would like to see a Gene Roddenberry 23rd century
20:23:11 <hyc> though we never really saw what life for civilians was like in Star Trek
20:30:05 <Metamorphosis> .duckcall
20:30:06 <Wallet> Metamorphosis: Patience.. You tried too soon! Try again in about ≈19 min.
20:42:10 <Inge-> .duckcall
20:42:10 <Wallet> Inge-: Sorry no ducks for you! Try again in about ≈3 hrs 35 min
20:43:18 <Inge-> According to TNG tjere was a pretty dsrk period between now and the time of the Federation
20:47:57 <apotheon> I hope I live forever and never see things get that bad.
20:48:29 <apotheon> hyc: Please share your full-specified wishes with me.  I'd like some inspiration for developing some of my own.
20:49:33 <apotheon> moneromooo: . . . and yeah, I expect to still be thinking.
20:49:48 <apotheon> I still have a t-shirt that reads "Think: It's not illegal yet."
20:53:01 <Metamorphosis> .bal
20:53:01 <Wallet> Metamorphosis: 0.00002171 XMR (≈$0.01)
20:57:13 <Metamorphosis> .duckcall
20:57:13 <Wallet> Metamorphosis: Patience.. You tried too soon! Try again in about ≈8 min.
21:24:00 <parazyd> .beg
21:24:02 <Wallet> p​arazyd: How many letters i​n dog
21:24:05 <parazyd> 3
21:24:05 <Wallet> parazyd: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000077 XMR to parazyd [b2123da2] Wait ≈23 hrs 58 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01663786
21:26:30 <Metamorphosis> .beg
21:26:30 <Wallet> Metamorphosis: OOPS! 30 min penalty. 24 hours to go.
22:12:07 <kubast2> What are the chances of hitting a block at current difficulty with 2.2KH/s-4.3KH/s?(I use my pc while mining at 100% cpu usage, the reason it fluctuates so much is because my desktop is staying fully responsive with muqss, those values are from xmrig with 1GiB huge pages on, and msr applied)
22:13:18 <kubast2> I can't imagine the chances being high while the whole network is at around up to 10GH/s ?
22:14:19 <kubast2> oftc and google is down
22:14:34 <kubast2> oh 2.7GH/s I stand corrected
22:17:54 <selsta> 00:17 <monerobux> At 2300 h/s with network diff of 3.15e+11 and block reward 1.03 you can expect 0.0006 XMR per day.
22:18:13 <selsta> kubast2: ^
22:23:35 <nioc> kubast2: if you are talking solo mining then 1353 days on average to find a block and during that time the chances against you will probably increase
22:24:26 <nioc> assuming increase in price.  also current block reward is 1 and in 1353 days it will be 0.6
22:24:56 <nioc> ofc it might only take you 1 minute or 8000 days
22:26:44 <kubast2> I guess I can always run a single thread on solo, and 5 on pool
22:27:05 <kubast2> gamble a single core away
22:27:30 <kubast2> I will get like 3.5-4.3kh/s when I don't do anything at 6 cores
22:28:03 <kubast2> I almost have the walled synced up
22:31:04 <kubast2> oh monerod takes a single core as well, so that's why I am not hitting 5KH/s I remembered it hit
22:46:53 <nioc> while syncing the chain, after syncing monerod takes very little resources
23:24:31 <immalmen[m]> o/