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fibonacci_
.bal
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Wallet
fibonacci_: Access denied for bal. Are you logged in?
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volantaryism1[m]
jonah_xd: only your withdrawal address and amount
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kijari[m]
Yay! Another sleepless night! Good morning.
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testnetwork[m]
Hi all. I need some help. My monero gui keeps quitting and I don't know what the problem is.
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d43mon
<testnetwork[m] "Hi all. I need some help. My mon"> Open it via your terminal and see if you get any usefull information there
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d43mon
It's named 'monero-wallet-gui', at least on Linux
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testnetwork[m]
I've been trying to open it via my terminal in Linux (Ubuntu flavor). I'm going to copy and paste what's been showing up in there every time it crashes before opening.
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d43mon
Use a pastebin please
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testnetwork[m]
Thanks. Yeah. I've been trying to open it from there. It normally worked but I don't know what's been going on lately. Okay. I'll pastebin it. Hold on.
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d43mon
dpaste/bpaste/termbin/ or literaly any pastebin service
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testnetwork[m]
Okay. One moment. Thanks.
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testnetwork[m]
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d43mon
Ok a core dump, did you upgrade your kernel or graphics drivers without rebooting? Especcially if you are using dkms or other out-of-tree drivers
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testnetwork[m]
I might've. I'm upgrading my stuff now in the terminal. Hold on. I'm going to reboot after the upgrade and let you know if I'm still getting errors.
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testnetwork[m]
Thanks so much! 🙂
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testnetwork[m]
Okay, I've just upgraded again. I might've upgraded the video drivers without rebooting. I'm gonna restart. Ttys in a few.
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testnetwork[m]
Okay, well the good news was it opened properly this time. Not rebooting after upgrading the video drivers might've been the culprit. I'm going to doublecheck that my node doesn't crash after I log in to my wallet.
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testnetwork[m]
Alright, everything's looking good so far.
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testnetwork[m]
I'm just going to triple-check that it doesn't crash during or after the sync.
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testnetwork[m]
👍️Everything's groovy!!
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testnetwork[m]
Thanks so much Khalil!!
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d43mon
Glad I could help =p
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testnetwork[m]
😀 Peace out! Have an awesome weekend!
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Bill48105
.xmr
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Wallet
Bill48105: ≈$421.5716 • ≈ value of: 1 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm
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Bill48105
nice
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DisBotXMR1
<TrooperZ> should i try to make this in c++ or hack it in python, im trying to make a gui version of xmrig (more or less an interface that interacts with the .exe) for newbies that makes it look nicer
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DisBotXMR1
<TrooperZ> i have little to no c++ knowledge, but im good with python
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louipc
use what you know.. unless you really want to switch for other reasons
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DisBotXMR1
<TrooperZ> the only thing i don't know is how to pipe the information into my python code
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DisBotXMR1
<TrooperZ> like hashrate, shares, etc
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louipc
everyone uses json these days
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DisBotXMR1
<TrooperZ> i dont think thats efficient
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DisBotXMR1
<TrooperZ> everytime a share is submitted and written onto the json
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louipc
hah how often is a share submitted tho
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louipc
qmntqsqowmou[m]: thats misleading
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nioc
please ignore the bot
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kijari[m]
At this point I have 10 bots blocked.
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louipc
you could talk to the matrix.org admins
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louipc
if you are an channel moderator
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entry1
<louipc "you could talk to the matrix.org"> They make like 20+ matrix accounts each day. We welcome all autists
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louipc
entry1: you mean you wouldnt ban them if they just used a single account?
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entry1
<louipc "entry1: you mean you wouldnt ban"> They all get banned normally, but it doesn't stop. Just one post and then the account is inactive even if it doesn't get banned
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Norkle
.faucet
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Wallet
Norkle: Which is smaller, 9 or 1
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Norkle
1
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kijari[m]
I would ban them if there was a single account, but messages are from a new IP address and account every time. Sometimes they get lazy and post twice on the same account, but then it's a new one.
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Wallet
Norkle: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000041 XMR to Norkle [24242483] Wait ≈1 day 53 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01693254
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louipc
right but there may be other ways to ban only accessible to matrix.org server admins
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louipc
depends on their connection methods
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louipc
even new ip does not necessarily mean totally random
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entry1
For sure. I'm sure they will circumvent it though. Endless proxies, vpns, and for circuits
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entry1
Tor circuits
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Bill48105
yeah they're going thru an awful lot of effort to annoy the piss out of users here & matrix
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nioc
if you want the wonderful mooo back, please stop talking to and about the bot
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nioc
people are dealing with it
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Bill48105
hmm didn't notice moo was missing
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Bill48105
but yeah can talk about it elsewhere ;)
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louipc
who de moo
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Bill48105
monero moooooooooo
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lunario
hi! is it somehow helping the network when i have the local copy of the blockchain + monerod always running? or is it only helping when i am mining?
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nioc
you are helping just by running a node / daemon
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Bill48105
thank you for your help :)
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nioc
if you mine solo from the daemon it helps more but doing it that way is like playing the lottery as far as mining a block and getting paid for it
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Bill48105
im not lucky enough to win lottery
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nioc
reminds me, I need to check tonight's numbers
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Bill48105
good luck
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Bill48105
if we never hear from you again we understand lol
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lunario
thanks nioc
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nioc
yw
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ern
what is matrix?
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Bill48105
another platform
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ern
hmm, which links in to here?
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ern
That's them [m] nicks?
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Bill48105
right matrix has built in per user bridging
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Bill48105
that's what the [m] users are you see
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Bill48105
if enabled any user who joins there auto joins here too on their [m] nick
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Bill48105
one thing freenode should have done away with a long time ago are guest accounts.
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Bill48105
they do let channels decide though
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ern
I mean there should be possible to make some kind of business rule in the system, if your account is less than 5 days old or you have not chatted 1000 lines you can't paste URLs
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ern
that is in effect in some forums to prevent spam.
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Bill48105
but freenode is one if the few platforms that let just anyone join without registering and it's abused daily by spam bots n such. granted discord requires registration and has shit ton of them too but they're easier to deal with
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Bill48105
figure deterrents don't stop those with enough free time and enough motivation. but why make it any easier for them either
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ern
I chat mostly on IRCnet
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ern
It used to be alot of spam, but now it is mostly dead
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Bill48105
my bot is on 10+ networks including multiple irc
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Bill48105
.servers
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Wallet
Bill48105: Status: • discord: On • matrix: On • telegram: On • keybase: On • reddit: On • slack: On • freenode: On • hmail: On • rizon: On • oftc: On • twitch: On
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ern
I am getting old it seems.
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Bill48105
oftc is one of the cooler irc as far as their web based system
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Bill48105
aren't we all
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ern
never used discord, matrix, keybase, hmail, rizon, oftc, twitch
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DisBotXMR1
<TrooperZ> someone explain the episode 9 monero tracing joke
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DisBotXMR1
<TrooperZ> i dont get it
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Bill48105
twitch is just irc but highly restricted
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Bill48105
not sure there's anything to get
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DisBotXMR1
<TrooperZ> and there's video stream, plus the mods are biased towards the female streamers @bill48105
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DisBotXMR1
<TrooperZ> like alinity did so much crap but she's not banned
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xdlhvpygc
All you are 'fighting' for is e-penis of a guy you never met, that doesn't even have common decency to pay you for your time.
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xdlhvpygc
Do you think they care about Monero, or privacy or anything other than money?
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DisBotXMR1
<TrooperZ> yet a guy said the f word and got suspended
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Bill48105
figure not worthy of thinking about let alone discussing
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ern
Any transaction with an exchange can be traced back to you, so I dont really see the issue here.
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Bill48105
KEK
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DisBotXMR1
<TrooperZ> quick question, im on discord, how do i appear for you guys
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ern
Also, if you use fiat to put in to an exchange, tax man will see that and they can ask exchange and get that you got moneros / betc etc
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Bill48105
under a bot nick
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DisBotXMR1
<TrooperZ> ah ok
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DisBotXMR1
<TrooperZ> you appear the same way for me
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ern
then you have to prove you do not have them moneros for tax man.
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ern
easy peasy
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Bill48105
DisBotXMR1> <TrooperZ> quick question....
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ern
who is alinity?
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ern
Ah, it was on twitch.
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ern
uh
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lunario
is it normal that syncing the blockchain slows down once one has got about 3/4th of it?
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Mumuks[m]1
<lunario "is it normal that syncing the bl"> Yes
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DisBotXMR1
<SpaceKitty> is cause the last checkpoint is 2 months old so takes more time to finish the sync yup
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lunario
i see :) thanks
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kijari[m]
How is everyone?
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Infinity8
that's a pretty shitty meme
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spacekitty420[m]
thats what happens when some boomers hear that memes can be used for propaganda but dont know the fundamentals of how to actually make a meme :derp:
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spacekitty420[m]
is just cringe
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kijari[m]
This is about as bad as giving an AI a meme template with no other information so it creates complete garbage.
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kijari[m]
Thanks for the link to kycnot.me yesterday spacekitty420 . There's a couple of interesting services that don't seem to mentioned in many other places.
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sech1
FUK is just not good at memes
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sech1
Elon Musk 1000000% better
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spacekitty420[m]
i mean... he basically just googled image "meme" and was prompted with shits old from like over a decade ago, no effort whatsoever watching the meme reviews from pewds to keep track of whats currently the memes... :derp:
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spacekitty420[m]
👏meme 👏 review 👏
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spacekitty420[m]
uwu
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kijari[m]
To thank you I'll give you this link (
cryptwerk.com/pay-with/xmr). It lists a lot of services that can be paid for with XMR, but keep in mind that the site isn't curated very well so some services may be an awful deal compared to another.
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spacekitty420[m]
ooooh wtf :O
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spacekitty420[m]
thats massive
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spacekitty420[m]
LOL
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spacekitty420[m]
<3
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kijari[m]
It was a useful site I found in the Merchants list on getmonero.com. It's pretty helpful when you want to see what companies exist for what you want.
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spacekitty420[m]
there's even a tattoo thingy o.o
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spacekitty420[m]
damn, well thank you very much for that link, thats an instant bookmark right there <3
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kijari[m]
Sorry, getmonero.org. My brain is dead.
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spacekitty420[m]
:P
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kijari[m]
It redirect with the other link I said though so technically not wrong I guess?
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spacekitty420[m]
yup, no harm not, unlike monero dot org which is a scam or something (getmonero the right one) :3
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spacekitty420[m]
* yup, no harm done, unlike monero dot org which is a scam or something (getmonero the right one) :3
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kijari[m]
Not sure how useful this will be for anyone here either but if you want a nice donate form on your website or whatever that accepts cryptocurrency, I'd recommend looking into
cryptocurrencycheckout.com. The site simply provides people a form to donate to you and then sends the money straight to your wallet. Alternatively just use unstoppabledomains.com or ens.domains. Then people don't need that and can just donate
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kijari[m]
using your website address.
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kijari[m]
Fun fact: you can setup an email service with an ethereum domain. It's really weird but it's a thing and it works.
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spacekitty420[m]
just made that cute vanity gen address thingy, 36 hours with 32 threads (estimated was 850 hours) 180,000 keys per second, accepting monero exclusively nowadays (i maxi x))so just pasting the address and whatnot, but yeah, having those payment processor are great for like big corps that dont wanna pick and chose each crypto and not being bothered running their own node and such
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kijari[m]
I have my own system setup where I have some domains with unstoppable domains and soon hopefully an ens domain as well with all addresses pointing to my Trezor or Ledger depending on which supports it better. Then the websites themselves are also bridged to the clearnet so anyone can visit them so people can see a long comprehensive list of all cryptocurrencies I accept as donations if they want.
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kijari[m]
Then I manually allocate that out every once and a while into staking pools and whatnot depending on what donations I got.
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spacekitty420[m]
right, u mentioned staking trx yesterday :)
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kijari[m]
I'd love to do the setup you did spacekitty420 but unfortunately I don't think I could with a reasonable amount of money. I have something stupid like 100-150 cryptocurrencies on the go at the same time. Not with significant amounts or anything, I think I own around $150 USD total across all of them but still.
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spacekitty420[m]
oh shit, 150 thats like the 1st gen pokemons o.o
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spacekitty420[m]
thats a lot of pokemons u got there hehe :P
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kitty_hut[m]
<kijari[m] "Fun fact: you can setup an email"> oh?
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kijari[m]
It's just a bunch of cryptocurrencies I like or have for various reasons. Solana for example because it's a more modern, higher throughput Ethereum with far lower fees but the same capabilities. TRX for similar reasons. Sia coin because I have a bunch of backups on the network and am interested in their streaming capability that is soon to come. Basically you can store movies on the Sia chain and then livestream that video
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kijari[m]
to multiple people at the same time.
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spacekitty420[m]
tbh i just hope that by accepting just the 1 coin then it'll also help for the adoption, cause like for example someone has btc they could just send to btc but maybe with just xmr they would still check on monero to do the conversion to send
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kitty_hut[m]
I need to research more into utility coins (or whatever they are called, crypto that has a major goal of being more than a currency)
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kijari[m]
I just have all of them listed because there are so many people that are too lazy to convert and send. Most just see if the currency they have is listed and if not they'll leave.
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kitty_hut[m]
when it comes to crypto as a currency, I only really know of two that even try to be a thing not for just investors, monero and maybe nano (but I haven't looked too close, shame they don't even attempt any privacy in the slightest compared to other crypto)
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kijari[m]
Solana is a weird one. It's been growing extremely quickly and it has serious potential.
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kijari[m]
It has the throughput of more than a credit card processor by being capable of 75,000 transactions per second whereas credit cards are around 50,000 transactions per second. Fees are so low they never hit a cent. Yet, at the same time, confirmation times are under 4 seconds and it has the full capability of Ethereum.
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kijari[m]
There's a lot of smaller projects that are somewhat similar in the sense that they are a more modern and efficient version in every way, sometimes even adding more features.
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spacekitty420[m]
if your services are unique, they wont be like "oh no, that coin is not listed on the accepted currency", some would still go through the trouble cause they cant just find that one service somewhere else
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kitty_hut[m]
There needs to be a universal way of sending crypto, like, it would be nice if you could always just send any crypto to the same thing without a centralized middle man
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kijari[m]
<spacekitty420[m] "if your services are unique, the"> I suppose. I just figured that it couldn't hurt. To make it easier the site has a list of everything I accept and a simple search box for them to enter the cryptocurrency name or acronym to see if it's listed. Then it just shows an address to copy and paste.
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spacekitty420[m]
<kitty_hut[m] "There needs to be a universal wa"> i mean... for just like euro for example, that's not even the case, for a same currency you cant for example just send cash to a sepa and such
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kitty_hut[m]
yeah, still tho
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kijari[m]
<kitty_hut[m] "oh?">
ethmail.cc for ethereum mail
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hmmp
.faucet
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Wallet
hmmp: How many chars in studies
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hmmp
7
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Wallet
hmmp: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000025 XMR to hmmp [e3359a98] Wait ≈1 day 1 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01693004
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kijari[m]
I love the capabilities blockchain technology has for the future development of even basic websites.
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kijari[m]
I'm curious. I know that many governments have already outright banned Bitcoin or regulate it to oblivion, but how many governments will ban Monero? I assume quite a few because untraceable transactions makes us bad people so we must be buying illegal substances. It's going to be really interesting to see how regulation evolves in the next decade with cryptocurrencies.
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kijari[m]
Or at least that's how they'll view it. They already put that view on bitcoin despite that fact that bitcoin is a government's dream: a currency where every single transaction can be tracked from person to person with zero privacy involved.
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kitty_hut[m]
I think there needs to be a push for things accepting non-spyware coins
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kijari[m]
Well, that answers that question. South Korea has already banned all privacy-focused coins from exchanges due to potential "Money laundering and tax fraud".
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kitty_hut[m]
lol
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kijari[m]
Honestly, they can ban them from exchanges but it's extremely difficult to block them from mining. If they have a small mining rig that doesn't consume enough power to raise any attention, they can easily mine away without worry or care.
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kitty_hut[m]
money laundering and tax fraud is quite easy without privacy tools
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kitty_hut[m]
yeah, also, decentralized exchanges are probably also hard to ban, although, I don't know the quality of them, I haven't really touched any exchanges in general.
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kijari[m]
I think I used one exchange back before people knew much about cryptocurrencies. Ever since I've just been slowly mining a bit of whatever I feel like.
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kitty_hut[m]
ah nice
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kijari[m]
Not a large miner. Just using my desktop when it's not in use but on anyway.
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kitty_hut[m]
speaking of exchanges, are there any decent non-centralized ways to convert between things like monero?
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kijari[m]
swapzone.io I think was the link I use?
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kijari[m]
Yeah. It's a website that lists something like 16 exchanges and tells you which one has the best rate, fastest transaction time and so on. Shows reviews and warnings regarding KYC as well.
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kitty_hut[m]
I know what KYC stands for but I am spacing it.
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kijari[m]
<kitty_hut[m] "I know what KYC stands for but I"> You mean spacing it out like K Y C or spacing out on what it means?
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kitty_hut[m]
I am spacing out what it means.
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kitty_hut[m]
lol
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kijari[m]
Know your customer laws. The requirement of showing your identification so governments can track your purchases.
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kitty_hut[m]
ah, yeah
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kitty_hut[m]
it would be great if KYC was banned and there was an actual push towards high profile money laundering
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ishikawa[m]
There's a decent list over there:
kycnot.me
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kijari[m]
Basically the "exchange" I showed above is just a website that checks the going rate on 16 or so exchanges. It then shows reviews for each of them, warnings for those that are known to not be very good, and says if KYC is required or not. I've used it quite a bit and I haven't needed KYC a single time as of yet.
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kitty_hut[m]
a nice
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spacekitty420[m]
<kitty_hut[m] "speaking of exchanges, are there"> currently being in the dev:
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ishikawa[m]
This looks really good!
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spacekitty420[m]
very promising indeed <3
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kijari[m]
I just hope that I can one day buy XMR on a platform similar to that but with a mastercard gift card or something instead of cash.
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ishikawa[m]
Good for all the peeps that don't own any btc anymore 😎
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kijari[m]
I tried a few exchanges online that are supposed to be P2P but almost everyone required ID and I'm not doing that.
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ishikawa[m]
<spacekitty420[m] "very promising indeed <3"> Very very promising, I can't wait until its ready
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ishikawa[m]
<kijari[m] "I tried a few exchanges online t"> There is localmonero and some sellers don't require any id
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ishikawa[m]
You will have to shop around
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kijari[m]
Local monero does have my country listed but there's only 1 offer which is $800 USD per 1 XMR which is double the going rate. It is anonymous but that's a massive markup.
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ishikawa[m]
Yeah liquidity can be an issue depending on where you live.
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ishikawa[m]
:(
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ishikawa[m]
At this point i would purchase crypto in the regular fashion, and then swap your coins to xmr using good privacy practices.
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ishikawa[m]
I do wonder if there is an alternative to this issue?
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kijari[m]
To avoid KYC entirely my only option unless I want to seriously overpay would be mining, which I do when my PC would be left on and not used.
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kijari[m]
I'm somewhat tempted to try a "cloud mining" service where you pay them in XMR and they mine for you with a contract but I can't find a single one that lets you do that without KYC being required. It would be a good way to multiply what I have but I guess it could be risky as well.
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ishikawa[m]
Oh more trolls i see......
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kijari[m]
Off topic but I just witnessed someone win $1,200,000 USD on a crypto gambling site with a $500 bet. I'm so confused but good for them I guess?
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ishikawa[m]
<kijari[m] "Off topic but I just witnessed s"> Damn!
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Mochi101
kijari[m], which site?
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ishikawa[m]
From a $500 dollar bet? that's nuts
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kijari[m]
Betfury. They were doing slots and streaming it.
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ishikawa[m]
Damn maybe i got try my luck sometime
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kijari[m]
I prefer to avoid slots. I am quite good at gambling though. Just a week ago I was on a gambling site, deposited $20 in TRX and slowly doubled it over the course of a week.
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kijari[m]
I wonder if I could setup my own VPS company that only accepts Monero and if I could do so without legally registering the business. I want to say I could but I feel like the static IPs would be suspicious.
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kijari[m]
That's just a hypothetical by the way. I know that in practically every case registration of the business is required. Some countries let crypto-based companies operate without registration or taxes though so maybe it would depend on country.
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charolastra
where were they streaming?
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kijari[m]
They were on Dlive but I don't remember the channel name.
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Mochi101
tyljsewqobkj[m], you're pathetic
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Mochi101
really pathetic
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FasXmut[m]
I do not quite understand privacy. Last year I run tor hidden service on my vps (with exit node disabled), and then after three days, my vps ip was blocked anywhere, I didn't know how it was exposed😆 until now.
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FasXmut[m]
* I do not quite understand security. Last year I run tor hidden service on my vps (with exit node disabled), and then after three days, my vps ip was blocked anywhere, I didn't know how it was exposed😆 until now.
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azy
Mochi101, what was it?
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Mochi101
azy, just click the link
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azy
2scare
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azy
oh
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Mochi101
.kickban matrix.org
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DisBotXMR1
<Save_G> lol
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DisBotXMR1
<Save_G> Monero is a fraud
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Inge-
Save_G: Please elaborate
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Mochi101
We should just ban all dicksword and matric bots/bridges
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DisBotXMR1
<Save_G> jk
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DisBotXMR1
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Mochi101
Where is this web site save_g ?
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Mochi101
Anybody can go on the internet and say anything about anyone.
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spacekitty420[m]
😿
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DisBotXMR1
<Save_G> I ve never been on the internet
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spacekitty420[m]
like, yall up in here talking bout banning the matrix which is already not working on #monero-pools.... maybe its not us to go back to your old boomer hipster tech that is irc but on your side to do the change and figure ways to deal with spambots in a better way.... :derp:
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spacekitty420[m]
just sayin
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Mochi101
or just separate them
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Mochi101
:o
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spacekitty420[m]
up until just few days ago the spam was from irc side and it lasted so long... u just a discriminatory fucker tbh
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spacekitty420[m]
being all elitist from your boomer hipster irc thingy...
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Inge-
Save_G: I don't have the details of the Coral Reef story.
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Mochi101
wtf spacekitty420[m]
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Mochi101
lol
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spacekitty420[m]
fr x)
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DisBotXMR1
<Save_G> based
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Mochi101
dicksword.com is cancer
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Mochi101
seriously
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DisBotXMR1
<SpaceKitty> u is
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Guest79
help
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Guest79
#monero-markets
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louipc
more images please
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DisBotXMR1
<Save_G> catjam
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sech1
And hereby I declare spacekitty420 the winner of this meme competition
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spacekitty420[m]
\o/
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rbrunner
lol
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Mochi101
hehehe
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jj1013[m]
Does anybody know how can I determine if a coin is going to dip?
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jj1013[m]
I want to dump my DOGE for XMR.
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jj1013[m]
That way at least I'll have 2 figures of money.
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fluffypony
jj1013[m]: I can determine that after it's happened, but not before
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fluffypony
:-P
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jj1013[m]
<vdghgycee[m] "17.jpg"> I wish I was a popular YouTuber so I could tell my fans to fucking raid whoever is doing this shit.
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jj1013[m]
> <@vdghgycee:matrix.org> sent an image.
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jj1013[m]
* I wish I was a popular YouTuber so I could tell my fans to fucking raid the group of whoever is doing this shit.
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jj1013[m]
Those who prefer TikTok, git gud.
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nioc
jj1013[m]: thx for giving him what he wants
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nioc
smh
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jj1013[m]
<nioc "smh"> Er... "don't feed the troll"?
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rkfxirdoeos
FIY, you want to know why you are getting those daily messages? Cults NEED to control information. That's why people like lh1008 get savagly attacked (also called disconnection) for even talking to me. Break the information embargo, break the cult. Who would sign up to Scientology if they knew from the get-go that is is about a sci-fi alien overlord? Who would sign up to MAGA if they knew what a loser Tr
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rkfxirdoeos
ump is?
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rkfxirdoeos
You don't sign up to MAGA to do a failed Viking LARP and some time off in club fed. You sign up because you feel like shit and they promise to give you self-respect. It is a total lie of course, you are still a joke even when cosplaying a Viking. Just like Monero's promise of privacy is a lie.
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jj1013[m]
What does FIY mean?
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jj1013[m]
/s if it isn't obvious
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louipc
for your info
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jj1013[m]
<louipc "for your info"> Oh. I forgot different sentences don't show up in IRC. I put an /s.
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jj1013[m]
Also, that's FYI.
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Spaceguide
the fireice minions are active again
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Spaceguide
and banned again...
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mechanimist[m]
monerod log sometimes shows me this:
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mechanimist[m]
`E Transaction spends at least one output which is too young`
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mechanimist[m]
can this happen accidentally when one is doing a normal spend using a "standard" monero wallet? or is it indication of someone doing something weird
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mechanimist[m]
also, what happens to such a transaction? I guess it's majority-rules as to whether it's accepted by the network, but is there a consensus?
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jj1013[m]
<izniaqsxqnqz[m] "b230.4.jpg"> Beliefs and promises aren't necessary if we can check the source code, which we can do on Monero, and confirm it's built for privacy, unlike other closed-source cryptocurrencies such as Ripple. People need to understand that, instead of bitching about "me believe in muh DGB oogah boogah". Don't mind about the damn price and read the source code, because it's not the price that matters. It's the
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jj1013[m]
code.
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jj1013[m]
This is getting on my nerves already.
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louipc
its a troll
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botcoinnotbot[m]
stop replying and just mute instantly
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jj1013[m]
<botcoinnotbot[m] "stop replying and just mute inst"> Mods don't seem to mind...
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botcoinnotbot[m]
anyone else using moneroocean.stream? im noticing some suspicious activity... everytime you don't check the dashboard for your miner for a while your pay hashrate drops to 1/4 of what it should be
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botcoinnotbot[m]
as soon as you open the dashboard the pay hashrate shoots up again...
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botcoinnotbot[m]
anyone else noticing that?
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botcoinnotbot[m]
im starting to suspect whoever is running it is siphoning off hashrate when users arent looking
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jj1013[m]
Use another pool...
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jj1013[m]
Have you tried xmrpool.eu?
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jj1013[m]
@botcoinnotbot
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botcoinnotbot[m]
jj1013.: i will, I'm just wondering if any other users of moneroocean are experiencing similar things
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jj1013[m]
<botcoinnotbot[m] "jj1013.: i will, I'm just wonder"> Surely the pool is really doing dodgy stuff. Try looking at the pool list on Feather, they seem to be well known.
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jj1013[m]
The Feather Wallet, I mean.
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hardcod3d[m]
is there any sms verification or phone number for sale that accepts monero ?
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volantaryism1[m]
botcoinnotbot: mining on moneroocean too and have noticed the same things
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nioc
jj1013[m]: if you want monermooo, who is one of the best things that has ever happened to monero, to return to this channel then please stfu
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DisBotXMR1
<ceruleous> /xmr/ general ignoreed me i''ll ask here
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DisBotXMR1
<ceruleous> With the atomic swap work in progress, moneroniggers speculate that silk road and bitcoin OGs will swap their BTC for monero and drive XMR's price up right? Bisq already exists so why dont they use that? Achieves the exact same thing. Also, once those tainted coins start moving, the feds will start moving and shut down the swap in 2 seconds
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DisBotXMR1
<ceruleous> question
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DisBotXMR1
<ceruleous> why are we still expecting any meaningful price action when the swap launches
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DisBotXMR1
<ceruleous> tbh im perfectly with it crabbing
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jj1013[m]
<DisBotXMR1 "<ceruleous> why are we still exp"> Where does this bridge lead to?
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spacekitty420[m]
<jj1013[m] "Where does this bridge lead to?"> discord
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jj1013[m]
<spacekitty420[m] "discord"> Thanks.
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nioc
trolling from discord, nice
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hardcod3d[m]
<hardcod3d[m] "is there any sms verification or"> anyone?
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hardcod3d[m]
dtmf.io is out of stock
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CryptoGirl18
hi
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CryptoGirl18
I would like to get my first moneros, I am new here
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Mumuks[m]1
CryptoGirl18 Howdo you want to pay?
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CryptoGirl18
mm how could I?
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Mumuks[m]1
CryptoGirl18: what currency you want to use to buy monero?
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CryptoGirl18
my body
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charuto
there's always r/girlsgonemonero
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hyc
that's still a thing?
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hyc
hmmm I see a page full of posts from the same person
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hyc
and nothing particularly monero-specific
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charuto
yes, it seems we need to better promote that subreddit in order to revitalize it
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spacekitty420[m]
to receive payments in monero, could just create a paper wallet like with:
moneroaddress.org then give the address when asking for a payment
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CryptoGirl18
webcam for monero!
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CryptoGirl18
I do webcam for monero
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f3r0x
hey i pay u MONERO 4 body cam
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spacekitty420[m]
unless getting a website setup for you that does process monero, am not aware of current camming platforms that do support it for their viewers
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ern
CryptoGirl18: Jut do .faucet
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ern
and you will be showered with richness
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spacekitty420[m]
.faucet
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Wallet
spacekitty420[m]: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in?
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CryptoGirl18
.faucet
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Wallet
CryptoGirl18: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in?
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DisBotXMR1
<SpaceKitty> .faucet
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DisBotXMR1
<SpaceKitty> rude
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yanmaani
ceruleous: can't shut down an atomic swap, but I think it's mostly nonsense
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yanmaani
if someone wants to sell xbt for xmr it's trivial already
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yanmaani
so xmr atomic swaps will probably not change anything
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charuto
you wont have to rely on exchanges
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hyc
you'll still need some way to find trade partners
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hyc
those will replace the role of exchanges
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charuto
craigslist
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hyc
will also need a price reference if all volume leaves CEXs
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charuto
but yeah i cant imagine anyone interested in trading monero for potentially tainted bitcoins
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yyug[m]
<yanmaani "so xmr atomic swaps will probabl"> Atomic swaps will disincentivise delisting on exchanges, and also allow people to miss out exchanges altogether. Not everyone will use them but they are a huge step forward.
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yanmaani
charuto: how does that change anything tho
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yanmaani
I mean, TradeOgre exists
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yanmaani
and price is not $infinity
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yanmaani
hyc: haveno?
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charuto
bisq fork that is monero-centric
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charuto
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yanmaani
I don't see why people would use atomic swaps to sell their bitcoins for monero, when they can already sell them for monero
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yanmaani
the idea that people have trillions of dollars that they want to exchange into monero, but only if a very specific thing is done, seems like wishful thinking
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yyug[m]
Atomic swaps provide another different way of swapping. With different pros and cons.
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yyug[m]
Why so anti atomic swaps? There are many central exchanges, why not argue that we only need one CEX?
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hmmp
how would you guys swap 740 000 BTC from Mt gox hack to monero? that hacker must be a retard not to have done it I guess
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[r|y`a_n]
well no, bitcoin has appreciated faster than xmr
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[r|y`a_n]
but the answer is "slowly"
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[r|y`a_n]
this is not very difficult stuff
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[r|y`a_n]
if you offer to trade that btc for xmr at 10% below market rates you will find lots of takers willing to take millions worth every day
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[r|y`a_n]
world is full of traders willing to jump on an opportunity like that
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botcoinnotbot[m]
yanmaani: atomic swaps remove a lot of paper trail risks
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botcoinnotbot[m]
atomic swaps aren't a one way blackhole into monero, a lot of people will probably swap into monero for x amount of time then swap back
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botcoinnotbot[m]
dont forgot about arbitrage bots too
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yanmaani
yyug[m]: no, people can do what they want, I'm just saying it's not gonna make the number go up
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yanmaani
hmmp: bisq? how would you find counterparties to fill you for 740 kBTC worth of atomic swaps?
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yanmaani
botcoinnotbot[m]: what are the "paper trail risks" and why does TradeOgre/Bisq have them?
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[r|y`a_n]
you offer ridiculously good rates, counterparties will come
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mandelbrot42[m]
Yeah it will to an extent. It's a piece to the puzzle. Interoperability
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[r|y`a_n]
this is simple stuff
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botcoinnotbot[m]
yanmaani: increased users -> Metcalfe's law -> line go up
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[r|y`a_n]
with 740k btc you can create tremendous incentive for other people to build the laundering infrastructure for you
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mandelbrot42[m]
* Yeah it will make it go up to an extent. It's a piece to the puzzle. Interoperability
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[r|y`a_n]
offer 10% off and that's an opportunity for someone to earn 74k via arbitrage
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yyug[m]
<yanmaani "yyug: no, people can do what the"> Ah ok. Yeah I agree, I’m not convinced the price will go up that much. Tbh I’ve never really thought about that much. More just that it is another welcome way of being able to exchange xmr.
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yanmaani
[r|y`a_n]: OK, so then why don't they use Bisq?
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[r|y`a_n]
sure, it'll probably take months to get rid of all the BTC. does that matter?
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[r|y`a_n]
yanmaani: maybe they want to hold the btc? maybe they lost the keys?
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yanmaani
it doesn't make sense - probably 740k btc (=$37 billion dollars) is hard to launder
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yanmaani
and you can't show up with $37 bil of untraceable crypto either
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yyug[m]
Havano would be much better than Bisq. Based on Monero instead of BTC so more private.
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spacekitty420[m]
$37 billion while currently the whole xmr marketcap at like $7b
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botcoinnotbot[m]
yanmaani: bisq =/= privacy when you are dealing with govs
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[r|y`a_n]
yanmaani: so why wouldn't you cash out a few hundred million?
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louipc
do it 1 bil at a time
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[r|y`a_n]
spacekitty420[m]: not really a problem, market cap will go up if you're trying to buy 37B worth of xmr lol
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yanmaani
botcoinnotbot[m]: that's not a competent argument
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yanmaani
why would the users increase
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[r|y`a_n]
if you offer people an opportunity to buy bitcoin at 10% off for monero, they will take that opportunity
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[r|y`a_n]
it might take you an year or two to get rid of your bitcoin, that's fine
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yanmaani
botcoinnotbot[m]: Running bisq on a VPS would work just fine. Bisq runs over Tor.
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louipc
ppl go where the money is
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yanmaani
Privacy of bisq is not much worse than haveno with atomic swaps. Whatever theoretical attacks exist where you use all the 0-days to attack Tor, also impact Haveno
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yanmaani
[r|y`a_n]: why didn't bisq attackers do that without atomic swaps?
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[r|y`a_n]
you don't care because you have 37 billion and don't mind spending a few billion to compensate other people for the laundering
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[r|y`a_n]
yanmaani: what do you mean?
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yanmaani
[r|y`a_n]: if they want to cash out just a tiny bit, why do they need atomic swaps
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yanmaani
they could just withdraw $100 million, sell it on bisq, and be done
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[r|y`a_n]
yanmaani: I don't think they do need atomic swaps
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[r|y`a_n]
even though atomic swaps do remove some friction
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yanmaani
if you have that much money, you could just pay a corrupt lawyer to set you up with a shell company
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yanmaani
and then pay someone to build you an exchange
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[r|y`a_n]
I think odds are those people just lost their keys or aren't in a hurry to cash out because they stole enough money from other places
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[r|y`a_n]
bitfinex attacker is a great example of someone who wasn't in a hurry because they were filty rich already
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spacekitty420[m]
<yanmaani "and then pay someone to build yo"> uh... thats actually smart... wondering why they aint doing that as of right now tho
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nioc
yanmaani: I agree that some people are overstating the impact on price as things currently stand.
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nioc
As to why not just use tradeogre?, Some people don't want to risk using an exchange due to possible loss.
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nioc
Also as tradeogre gets bigger, it has grown significantly recently, the more risk of outside pressure trying to shut them down.
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spacekitty420[m]
Mt. Gox made the whole btc price drop to $6k from 20k back in 2018 by slowly selling tho
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[r|y`a_n]
tradeogre api also sucks
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nioc
So atomic swaps are supposed to help with this exchange cat and mouse game and give a stable way going forward to swap without concerns.
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nioc
So if swaps will be beneficial for the price it might take awhile. Hype vs fundamental reality = .shrug
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yanmaani
nioc: if you have $37 billion, going in blocks of $100k isn't really a significant risk
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yanmaani
spacekitty420[m]: my uneducated guess is they're just waiting for the money to cool off. If they wait a decade, most statutes of limitation should be out, for instance
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nioc
till that avenue is no longer available
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botcoinnotbot[m]
yanmaani: when you have stolen funds trading any of it is risk
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yanmaani
botcoinnotbot[m]: for whom and how
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[r|y`a_n]
statutes of limitation are tricky
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[r|y`a_n]
you can never know if there's a sealed indictment somewhere
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nioc
swaps will always we available, that will bring certainty which some say is an issue rn
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botcoinnotbot[m]
blacklisted bitcoin is worth $0, any price above that is net profit
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yanmaani
at that scale, "exchange steals 0.00027% of my money" is not really a risk
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yanmaani
nioc: maybe? I can't see why the price can't drop to 0 though. I mean, they could just mark as tainted all btc gotten from atomic swaps
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[r|y`a_n]
they haven't even gotten very far doing that with joinmarket transactions
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[r|y`a_n]
sometimes, rarely, some exchanges will complain
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nioc
yes, only btc deposited in your bank are any good lol
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[r|y`a_n]
but those coins are far from worthless
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botcoinnotbot[m]
yanmaani: after taproot, atomic swaps look like any tx afaik
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kayabaNerve
They do, if they succeeed
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botcoinnotbot[m]
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[r|y`a_n]
bitfinex hacker robbed several other things and was in no hurry to sell that money
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spacekitty420[m]
oh shit and some btc maxi might even want regulations to define all btc from atomic swap as tainted cause that would mean less usable btc in circulation so even more scarce making the price increase... jfc, thats all fucked up eh
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[r|y`a_n]
erm, btc
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yanmaani
botcoinnotbot[m]: see, there you go
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yanmaani
no need to atomic swap it out
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nioc
well there is no need for ice cream
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nioc
or cryptocurrency
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nioc
atomic swaps are p2p which is sort is like how this was all started
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volantaryism1[m]
yanmaani: those are not sales they are trying to obfuscate their funds
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kayabaNerve
spacekitty420[m]: Not possible after taproot
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kayabaNerve
Also, the point of atomic swaps is security
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kayabaNerve
Exchanges can close any day. Their owners can walk away with the funds.
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kayabaNerve
Not your keys, not your crypto.
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kayabaNerve
Atomic swaps keep funds in your keys, or a shared key you're guaranteed to get your funds into your key from.
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kayabaNerve
They also offer a more decentralized approach to performing trades. It's not to say they have to be used with a DEX. You could meet in person and atomic swap so you don't risk having to call the police/getting into a fight.
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spacekitty420[m]
<kayabaNerve "spacekitty420: Not possible afte"> you mean there wont be any way to figure that a btc came from atomic swap after that?
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kayabaNerve
Taproot swaps looks identical to standard TXs
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spacekitty420[m]
oh, alrighty then o.o
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apotheon
I *hope* atomic swaps won't be traced as such. That'd be annoying as hell.
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fzgdecaaa[m]
hi
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louipc
bonk
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louipc
lol
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spacekitty420[m]
:3
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louipc
in the end there will only be 1 btc left
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spacekitty420[m]
yup, everyone passing away without sharing priv keys with loved ones, hardware failure and whatnot from dem whales [...]
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spacekitty420[m]
no one mining it no more cause fees taken offchain so no more incentive to mine, difficulty readjustment every 2016 blocks making weeks long block, btc completely unusable
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spacekitty420[m]
and maxis gonna maxis being in their disillusion that btc supremacy gon happen, 2nd layer solutions will fix everything and numbers go up lolol :derp:
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yanmaani
if fees go down then hashrate goes down
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yanmaani
why wouldn't diff adjust
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spacekitty420[m]
btw, as there been any debate about that diff readjustment on btc ever? how come it still hasnt been forked? i mean, like there's been debates over the blocksize and dumb stuff like that
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yanmaani
as long as HR never goes down by more than a certain % in 2 weeks, you're fine
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yanmaani
spacekitty420[m]: it's a hard fork, and it's not a terrible issue - the blocksize fucks everything up
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spacekitty420[m]
so, we saw that happened on smaller coins on which its easier to make use of that 2016 block thingy, if nethash low then big farms joining to get some of those fast block and leaves right before the higher diff kick in then back again when its low again and such
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yanmaani
yeah but that only happens if btc isn't the biggest
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yanmaani
btc is only threatened by other sha256d coins
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spacekitty420[m]
and we saw hashrate thrown around by dumb mofos during the bch/bsv split
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spacekitty420[m]
risking a 51% on btc
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spacekitty420[m]
charuto: dang lol, just left the #monero-markets room from matrix cause apparently my messages from there wasnt being sent to the bridge but now its being all like gotta be invited to re-join
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spacekitty420[m]
:derp:
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charuto
i'll invite you
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spacekitty420[m]
tyty <3
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Pepin[m]
I've tried to sent a monero transaction though my node, however the transaction didn't go fully through, I am assuming it was because the node has troubles with incomming connections, like I described earlier. My question is, should the node start accepting incoming connections, will this transaction (created few days ago) be broadcasted thru the network? How are mempool transactions stored in monerod?
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hyc
you can broadcast txns without incoming connections
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hyc
connections are always bidirectional once established, so that's not relevant at all
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hyc
anyway if it's that old already you might as well flush it and start over
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hyc
assuming your node has any active connections and is caught up to the network
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spacekitty420[m]
Pepin: wdym it didnt go "fully"? like it went partially in what way? have u done a rescan on wallet? does `show_transfers` gives you any info on the transaction?
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Pepin[m]
The node (monerod) crashed I think and monero-gui was just stalled in the last phase of sending a transaction. After a few minutes I killed it, went back, there was no transaction in history but part of my balance wasn't spendable. Anyways I've removed the wallet and restored it just to be sure it didn't break or smth
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Pepin[m]
hyc: like removing the lmdb? My node is caught up, however it doesn't have any incoming connections
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hyc
no. use the flush_pool command
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hyc
or whatever it's called
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hyc
use the help command to find it
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hyc
you removed the wallet and restored it and still have unspendable balance?
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hyc
in that case it sounds like the txn actually got sent.
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Pepin[m]
The restore process took some time, so I wouldn't know. I only saw the unspendable balance in the original wallet file, but there was no transaction in the transactions tab. Strange.
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nioc
flush_txpool
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nioc
in the daemon
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nioc
you can add the txid if you have it
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Pepin[m]
Yeah, I did that, maybe it wasn't even needed, considering monerod crashed for some reason.
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Pepin[m]
Can comebody tell me why is it that monero-gui showed the unspendable balance even though the transaction wasn't broadcasted?
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pibfdzqfz
twitter.com/hyc_symas/status/1203709575226183683
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pibfdzqfz
Last time I got an award like that was in a primary school football team. It had three stars too and said that I'm special :')
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pibfdzqfz
I just binned it though instead of showing it off to naive groupies. What kind of preson takes a group achievement award and presents it as a proof of their individual prowess anyway?
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louipc
i wonder if he really means soccer
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DarkDime
yo
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louipc
wuddup
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botcoinnotbot[m]
taproot failed this epoch
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DarkDime
yo
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DarkDime
yoooooooooooo
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apotheon
louipc: probably the foot kind of football, yeah, given "binned"
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apotheon
louipc: not the handegg kind of football
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kitty_hut[m]
Out of curiosity, I know to recieve monero both cakewallet and the desktop GUI allows you to have multiple different sub-addresses for recieving, but seemingly only has a single sending address? Is there any privacy concerns on sending monero relative to recieving it?
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kitty_hut[m]
* Out of curiosity, I know to recieve monero both cakewallet and the desktop GUI allows you to have multiple different sub-addresses for recieving, but seemingly only has a single sending address? Is there any privacy considerations on sending monero relative to recieving it?
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botcoinnotbot[m]
kitty_hut: cant see sending address
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kitty_hut[m]
Ah ok, and I assume that includes the reciever? So the recieving addresses being different is just as a protection against, say, having multiple different publicly available recieving addresses from being as easy to link with the same wallet?
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kitty_hut[m]
* Ah ok, and I assume that includes the reciever? So the recieving addresses being different is just as a protection against, say, having multiple different publicly available recieving addresses from being as easy to link with the same wallet, and with hopefully/probably in normal use no party but the sender knows who sent XMR to the reciever?
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botcoinnotbot[m]
kitty_hut: yes, multiple subaddresses lets you have different identities with the same seed
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DisBotXMR1
<Jeremih> But you can't have different sending addresses
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DisBotXMR1
<Jeremih> And they're on a single device in my experience, couldn't see my accounts on more than one device (the one I created the second account on)
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botcoinnotbot[m]
if you are interested in learning more about moneros privacy listening to the series breaking monero
youtube.com/watch?v=WOyC6OB6ezA&lis…=PLsSYUeVwrHBnAUre2G_LYDsdo-tD0ov-y can help you understand it better
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nioc
but nobody sees your sending address
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DisBotXMR1
<Jeremih> Doesn't the receiver see it?
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DisBotXMR1
<Jeremih> Oh right
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kitty_hut[m]
Ah yeah, I watched the first and part of the second episode on that series, gotta listen to some more in the backround because monero is one of the more interesting projects (other than nym and oxen/loki which have different goals) lol
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DarkDime
lol
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kitty_hut[m]
Oh yeah, speaking of monero, I am kinda curious if anyone knows the precise reason for the locking/unlocking of the balance, and if with scale/updates it will ever get any different?
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kitty_hut[m]
* Oh yeah, speaking of monero, I am kinda curious if anyone knows the precise reason for the locking/unlocking of the balance after, say, sending XMR, and if with scale/updates it will ever get any different?
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botcoinnotbot[m]
kitty_hut: privacy reason, prevents a lot of heuristics based upon the age of decoys
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botcoinnotbot[m]
you can change it in the wallet code if you want to, i dont believe its enforced at the protocol level
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nioc
locking unlocking I assume you are talking the 10 blocks that it takes for a tx to confirm
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nioc
it locks the output that you sent, if you only have one output in your wallet then in practice it locks the entire balance
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nioc
I only use the CLI and know that you can break a single output into several
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selsta
botcoinnotbot[m]: it is enforced
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selsta
kitty_hut[m]: it is possible that this will change in the future, I have seen some talk about it in #monero-research-lab
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selsta
problem is that transactions would get larger in size
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yanmaani
Why doesn't Monero break outputs up by default?
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yanmaani
Like if you'd use the code bitcoin uses, to avoid cross-contamination. Defense in depth.