00:01:58 .bal 00:01:58 fibonacci_: Access denied for bal. Are you logged in? 00:12:29 jonah_xd: only your withdrawal address and amount 00:22:57 * fzuukjet[m] uploaded an image: (49KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/wEkUHkduHJvpqjAmzJnOmERF/b770.1.jpg > 00:34:51 Yay! Another sleepless night! Good morning. 00:57:03 Hi all. I need some help. My monero gui keeps quitting and I don't know what the problem is. 01:01:12 Open it via your terminal and see if you get any usefull information there 01:02:11 It's named 'monero-wallet-gui', at least on Linux 01:02:16 I've been trying to open it via my terminal in Linux (Ubuntu flavor). I'm going to copy and paste what's been showing up in there every time it crashes before opening. 01:02:29 Use a pastebin please 01:02:50 Thanks. Yeah. I've been trying to open it from there. It normally worked but I don't know what's been going on lately. Okay. I'll pastebin it. Hold on. 01:02:55 dpaste/bpaste/termbin/ or literaly any pastebin service 01:03:08 Okay. One moment. Thanks. 01:04:30 Here: https://dpaste.com/9V4UAS8EQ 01:05:50 Ok a core dump, did you upgrade your kernel or graphics drivers without rebooting? Especcially if you are using dkms or other out-of-tree drivers 01:06:41 I might've. I'm upgrading my stuff now in the terminal. Hold on. I'm going to reboot after the upgrade and let you know if I'm still getting errors. 01:06:55 Thanks so much! 🙂 01:07:40 Okay, I've just upgraded again. I might've upgraded the video drivers without rebooting. I'm gonna restart. Ttys in a few. 01:12:18 Okay, well the good news was it opened properly this time. Not rebooting after upgrading the video drivers might've been the culprit. I'm going to doublecheck that my node doesn't crash after I log in to my wallet. 01:13:16 Alright, everything's looking good so far. 01:13:42 I'm just going to triple-check that it doesn't crash during or after the sync. 01:14:15 👍️Everything's groovy!! 01:14:26 Thanks so much Khalil!! 01:14:56 Glad I could help =p 01:15:15 😀 Peace out! Have an awesome weekend! 02:06:01 * clwxzrhrip[m] uploaded an image: (109KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/nKkNTIKlQjXNlQovTUyFUnUs/b010.jpg > 02:20:51 .xmr 02:20:51 Bill48105: ≈$421.5716 • ≈ value of: 1 XMR • Source: cmc/ccc/altm 02:20:55 nice 02:28:32 should i try to make this in c++ or hack it in python, im trying to make a gui version of xmrig (more or less an interface that interacts with the .exe) for newbies that makes it look nicer 02:28:49 i have little to no c++ knowledge, but im good with python 02:35:39 use what you know.. unless you really want to switch for other reasons 02:38:43 the only thing i don't know is how to pipe the information into my python code 02:39:27 like hashrate, shares, etc 02:40:46 everyone uses json these days 02:44:01 i dont think thats efficient 02:44:32 everytime a share is submitted and written onto the json 02:52:37 hah how often is a share submitted tho 03:20:20 * qmntqsqowmou[m] uploaded an image: (83KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/wrcxVOQnNBJdLgJmvwehRDoO/b981.jpg > 03:23:40 qmntqsqowmou[m]: thats misleading 03:30:20 please ignore the bot 03:36:57 At this point I have 10 bots blocked. 03:37:46 you could talk to the matrix.org admins 03:38:12 if you are an channel moderator 03:40:49 They make like 20+ matrix accounts each day. We welcome all autists 03:41:56 entry1: you mean you wouldnt ban them if they just used a single account? 03:47:23 They all get banned normally, but it doesn't stop. Just one post and then the account is inactive even if it doesn't get banned 03:48:11 .faucet 03:48:11 N​orkle: Which is ​smaller, 9 or 1 03:48:14 1 03:48:14 I would ban them if there was a single account, but messages are from a new IP address and account every time. Sometimes they get lazy and post twice on the same account, but then it's a new one. 03:48:14 Norkle: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000041 XMR to Norkle [24242483] Wait ≈1 day 53 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01693254 03:48:23 right but there may be other ways to ban only accessible to matrix.org server admins 03:48:35 depends on their connection methods 03:49:14 even new ip does not necessarily mean totally random 03:50:05 For sure. I'm sure they will circumvent it though. Endless proxies, vpns, and for circuits 03:50:12 Tor circuits 04:04:59 yeah they're going thru an awful lot of effort to annoy the piss out of users here & matrix 04:09:45 if you want the wonderful mooo back, please stop talking to and about the bot 04:10:24 people are dealing with it 04:16:42 hmm didn't notice moo was missing 04:17:35 but yeah can talk about it elsewhere ;) 04:28:11 * tufsaqpejdcg[m] uploaded an image: (47KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/EIFyuSDJCCPQivginBylkUKN/14.jpg > 04:33:32 who de moo 04:34:59 monero moooooooooo 04:46:20 hi! is it somehow helping the network when i have the local copy of the blockchain + monerod always running? or is it only helping when i am mining? 04:48:05 you are helping just by running a node / daemon 04:48:21 thank you for your help :) 04:49:36 if you mine solo from the daemon it helps more but doing it that way is like playing the lottery as far as mining a block and getting paid for it 04:49:56 im not lucky enough to win lottery 04:50:23 reminds me, I need to check tonight's numbers 04:51:06 good luck 04:51:12 if we never hear from you again we understand lol 04:53:01 thanks nioc 04:54:05 yw 05:07:33 what is matrix? 05:08:04 another platform 05:08:09 hmm, which links in to here? 05:08:23 That's them [m] nicks? 05:08:25 right matrix has built in per user bridging 05:08:35 that's what the [m] users are you see 05:09:15 if enabled any user who joins there auto joins here too on their [m] nick 05:10:10 one thing freenode should have done away with a long time ago are guest accounts. 05:10:28 they do let channels decide though 05:11:44 I mean there should be possible to make some kind of business rule in the system, if your account is less than 5 days old or you have not chatted 1000 lines you can't paste URLs 05:11:55 that is in effect in some forums to prevent spam. 05:12:06 but freenode is one if the few platforms that let just anyone join without registering and it's abused daily by spam bots n such. granted discord requires registration and has shit ton of them too but they're easier to deal with 05:13:54 figure deterrents don't stop those with enough free time and enough motivation. but why make it any easier for them either 05:13:55 I chat mostly on IRCnet 05:14:18 It used to be alot of spam, but now it is mostly dead 05:14:27 my bot is on 10+ networks including multiple irc 05:14:39 .servers 05:14:40 Bill48105: Status: • discord: On • matrix: On • telegram: On • keybase: On • reddit: On • slack: On • freenode: On • hmail: On • rizon: On • oftc: On • twitch: On 05:14:58 I am getting old it seems. 05:15:02 oftc is one of the cooler irc as far as their web based system 05:15:10 aren't we all 05:15:14 never used discord, matrix, keybase, hmail, rizon, oftc, twitch 05:15:19 someone explain the episode 9 monero tracing joke 05:15:23 i dont get it 05:15:32 twitch is just irc but highly restricted 05:15:39 not sure there's anything to get 05:15:57 and there's video stream, plus the mods are biased towards the female streamers @bill48105 05:16:13 like alinity did so much crap but she's not banned 05:16:20 All you are 'fighting' for is e-penis of a guy you never met, that doesn't even have common decency to pay you for your time. 05:16:20 Do you think they care about Monero, or privacy or anything other than money? 05:16:20 yet a guy said the f word and got suspended 05:16:25 figure not worthy of thinking about let alone discussing 05:16:27 Any transaction with an exchange can be traced back to you, so I dont really see the issue here. 05:16:34 KEK 05:16:48 quick question, im on discord, how do i appear for you guys 05:16:54 Also, if you use fiat to put in to an exchange, tax man will see that and they can ask exchange and get that you got moneros / betc etc 05:17:00 under a bot nick 05:17:07 ah ok 05:17:15 you appear the same way for me 05:17:20 then you have to prove you do not have them moneros for tax man. 05:17:21 easy peasy 05:17:32 DisBotXMR1> quick question.... 05:18:03 who is alinity? 05:23:34 Ah, it was on twitch. 05:56:08 * uicndldfm[m] uploaded an image: (54KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/cCeuDTFBiHxHUkHiNATmPwWn/13.jpg > 06:01:40 uh 06:34:51 is it normal that syncing the blockchain slows down once one has got about 3/4th of it? 06:38:50 Yes 06:39:48 is cause the last checkpoint is 2 months old so takes more time to finish the sync yup 06:42:14 i see :) thanks 07:07:05 How is everyone? 07:37:16 * eicruezgsln[m] uploaded an image: (69KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/fgpjkhhwieWZnpXiOmLivtuw/b230.4.jpg > 07:39:02 that's a pretty shitty meme 07:41:02 thats what happens when some boomers hear that memes can be used for propaganda but dont know the fundamentals of how to actually make a meme :derp: 07:41:08 is just cringe 07:44:26 This is about as bad as giving an AI a meme template with no other information so it creates complete garbage. 07:45:25 Thanks for the link to kycnot.me yesterday spacekitty420 . There's a couple of interesting services that don't seem to mentioned in many other places. 07:45:36 FUK is just not good at memes 07:45:41 Elon Musk 1000000% better 07:47:01 i mean... he basically just googled image "meme" and was prompted with shits old from like over a decade ago, no effort whatsoever watching the meme reviews from pewds to keep track of whats currently the memes... :derp: 07:47:41 👏meme 👏 review 👏 07:47:43 uwu 07:48:26 To thank you I'll give you this link (https://cryptwerk.com/pay-with/xmr/). It lists a lot of services that can be paid for with XMR, but keep in mind that the site isn't curated very well so some services may be an awful deal compared to another. 07:49:18 ooooh wtf :O 07:49:20 thats massive 07:49:22 LOL 07:49:23 <3 07:50:56 It was a useful site I found in the Merchants list on getmonero.com. It's pretty helpful when you want to see what companies exist for what you want. 07:51:35 there's even a tattoo thingy o.o 07:51:51 damn, well thank you very much for that link, thats an instant bookmark right there <3 07:51:57 Sorry, getmonero.org. My brain is dead. 07:52:07 :P 07:52:11 It redirect with the other link I said though so technically not wrong I guess? 07:53:19 yup, no harm not, unlike monero dot org which is a scam or something (getmonero the right one) :3 07:53:31 * yup, no harm done, unlike monero dot org which is a scam or something (getmonero the right one) :3 07:56:13 Not sure how useful this will be for anyone here either but if you want a nice donate form on your website or whatever that accepts cryptocurrency, I'd recommend looking into https://cryptocurrencycheckout.com/. The site simply provides people a form to donate to you and then sends the money straight to your wallet. Alternatively just use unstoppabledomains.com or ens.domains. Then people don't need that and can just donate 07:56:14 using your website address. 07:57:09 Fun fact: you can setup an email service with an ethereum domain. It's really weird but it's a thing and it works. 08:01:50 just made that cute vanity gen address thingy, 36 hours with 32 threads (estimated was 850 hours) 180,000 keys per second, accepting monero exclusively nowadays (i maxi x))so just pasting the address and whatnot, but yeah, having those payment processor are great for like big corps that dont wanna pick and chose each crypto and not being bothered running their own node and such 08:03:38 I have my own system setup where I have some domains with unstoppable domains and soon hopefully an ens domain as well with all addresses pointing to my Trezor or Ledger depending on which supports it better. Then the websites themselves are also bridged to the clearnet so anyone can visit them so people can see a long comprehensive list of all cryptocurrencies I accept as donations if they want. 08:04:30 Then I manually allocate that out every once and a while into staking pools and whatnot depending on what donations I got. 08:04:53 right, u mentioned staking trx yesterday :) 08:07:14 I'd love to do the setup you did spacekitty420 but unfortunately I don't think I could with a reasonable amount of money. I have something stupid like 100-150 cryptocurrencies on the go at the same time. Not with significant amounts or anything, I think I own around $150 USD total across all of them but still. 08:08:00 oh shit, 150 thats like the 1st gen pokemons o.o 08:08:08 thats a lot of pokemons u got there hehe :P 08:09:56 oh? 08:10:06 It's just a bunch of cryptocurrencies I like or have for various reasons. Solana for example because it's a more modern, higher throughput Ethereum with far lower fees but the same capabilities. TRX for similar reasons. Sia coin because I have a bunch of backups on the network and am interested in their streaming capability that is soon to come. Basically you can store movies on the Sia chain and then livestream that video 08:10:06 to multiple people at the same time. 08:10:12 tbh i just hope that by accepting just the 1 coin then it'll also help for the adoption, cause like for example someone has btc they could just send to btc but maybe with just xmr they would still check on monero to do the conversion to send 08:10:50 I need to research more into utility coins (or whatever they are called, crypto that has a major goal of being more than a currency) 08:11:22 I just have all of them listed because there are so many people that are too lazy to convert and send. Most just see if the currency they have is listed and if not they'll leave. 08:11:38 when it comes to crypto as a currency, I only really know of two that even try to be a thing not for just investors, monero and maybe nano (but I haven't looked too close, shame they don't even attempt any privacy in the slightest compared to other crypto) 08:12:12 Solana is a weird one. It's been growing extremely quickly and it has serious potential. 08:13:16 It has the throughput of more than a credit card processor by being capable of 75,000 transactions per second whereas credit cards are around 50,000 transactions per second. Fees are so low they never hit a cent. Yet, at the same time, confirmation times are under 4 seconds and it has the full capability of Ethereum. 08:13:44 There's a lot of smaller projects that are somewhat similar in the sense that they are a more modern and efficient version in every way, sometimes even adding more features. 08:13:46 if your services are unique, they wont be like "oh no, that coin is not listed on the accepted currency", some would still go through the trouble cause they cant just find that one service somewhere else 08:14:18 There needs to be a universal way of sending crypto, like, it would be nice if you could always just send any crypto to the same thing without a centralized middle man 08:16:14 I suppose. I just figured that it couldn't hurt. To make it easier the site has a list of everything I accept and a simple search box for them to enter the cryptocurrency name or acronym to see if it's listed. Then it just shows an address to copy and paste. 08:16:30 i mean... for just like euro for example, that's not even the case, for a same currency you cant for example just send cash to a sepa and such 08:17:33 yeah, still tho 08:19:13 https://ethmail.cc/ for ethereum mail 08:30:05 * drtwkzzbd[m] uploaded an image: (73KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/rzBQptBnFCidNUCOuLWWHZtF/52si1a.jpg > 08:30:12 .faucet 08:30:14 h​mmp: How many chars in studi​es 08:30:17 7 08:30:18 hmmp: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000025 XMR to hmmp [e3359a98] Wait ≈1 day 1 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01693004 08:30:21 I love the capabilities blockchain technology has for the future development of even basic websites. 08:35:51 I'm curious. I know that many governments have already outright banned Bitcoin or regulate it to oblivion, but how many governments will ban Monero? I assume quite a few because untraceable transactions makes us bad people so we must be buying illegal substances. It's going to be really interesting to see how regulation evolves in the next decade with cryptocurrencies. 08:39:33 Or at least that's how they'll view it. They already put that view on bitcoin despite that fact that bitcoin is a government's dream: a currency where every single transaction can be tracked from person to person with zero privacy involved. 08:48:02 I think there needs to be a push for things accepting non-spyware coins 08:51:26 Well, that answers that question. South Korea has already banned all privacy-focused coins from exchanges due to potential "Money laundering and tax fraud". 08:52:29 lol 08:52:41 Honestly, they can ban them from exchanges but it's extremely difficult to block them from mining. If they have a small mining rig that doesn't consume enough power to raise any attention, they can easily mine away without worry or care. 08:52:49 money laundering and tax fraud is quite easy without privacy tools 08:53:16 yeah, also, decentralized exchanges are probably also hard to ban, although, I don't know the quality of them, I haven't really touched any exchanges in general. 08:53:54 I think I used one exchange back before people knew much about cryptocurrencies. Ever since I've just been slowly mining a bit of whatever I feel like. 08:54:13 ah nice 08:54:15 Not a large miner. Just using my desktop when it's not in use but on anyway. 08:56:58 speaking of exchanges, are there any decent non-centralized ways to convert between things like monero? 08:57:59 swapzone.io I think was the link I use? 08:58:50 Yeah. It's a website that lists something like 16 exchanges and tells you which one has the best rate, fastest transaction time and so on. Shows reviews and warnings regarding KYC as well. 08:59:32 I know what KYC stands for but I am spacing it. 09:00:20 You mean spacing it out like K Y C or spacing out on what it means? 09:00:38 I am spacing out what it means. 09:00:40 lol 09:01:39 Know your customer laws. The requirement of showing your identification so governments can track your purchases. 09:01:52 ah, yeah 09:02:21 it would be great if KYC was banned and there was an actual push towards high profile money laundering 09:02:24 There's a decent list over there: https://kycnot.me/ 09:03:45 Basically the "exchange" I showed above is just a website that checks the going rate on 16 or so exchanges. It then shows reviews for each of them, warnings for those that are known to not be very good, and says if KYC is required or not. I've used it quite a bit and I haven't needed KYC a single time as of yet. 09:05:42 a nice 09:14:34 currently being in the dev: 09:16:34 This looks really good! 09:16:54 very promising indeed <3 09:18:20 I just hope that I can one day buy XMR on a platform similar to that but with a mastercard gift card or something instead of cash. 09:18:21 Good for all the peeps that don't own any btc anymore 😎 09:20:29 I tried a few exchanges online that are supposed to be P2P but almost everyone required ID and I'm not doing that. 09:20:56 Very very promising, I can't wait until its ready 09:21:28 There is localmonero and some sellers don't require any id 09:22:07 You will have to shop around 09:23:36 Local monero does have my country listed but there's only 1 offer which is $800 USD per 1 XMR which is double the going rate. It is anonymous but that's a massive markup. 09:26:38 Yeah liquidity can be an issue depending on where you live. 09:26:41 :( 09:28:34 At this point i would purchase crypto in the regular fashion, and then swap your coins to xmr using good privacy practices. 09:28:34 I do wonder if there is an alternative to this issue? 09:29:39 To avoid KYC entirely my only option unless I want to seriously overpay would be mining, which I do when my PC would be left on and not used. 09:30:50 I'm somewhat tempted to try a "cloud mining" service where you pay them in XMR and they mine for you with a contract but I can't find a single one that lets you do that without KYC being required. It would be a good way to multiply what I have but I guess it could be risky as well. 09:31:34 * jprgcarc[m] uploaded an image: (83KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/kVpfFCRpcbvigaEvRvkaDwbl/11.jpg > 09:32:06 Oh more trolls i see...... 09:33:33 Off topic but I just witnessed someone win $1,200,000 USD on a crypto gambling site with a $500 bet. I'm so confused but good for them I guess? 09:34:11 Damn! 09:34:37 kijari[m], which site? 09:34:44 From a $500 dollar bet? that's nuts 09:34:57 Betfury. They were doing slots and streaming it. 09:35:56 Damn maybe i got try my luck sometime 09:37:12 I prefer to avoid slots. I am quite good at gambling though. Just a week ago I was on a gambling site, deposited $20 in TRX and slowly doubled it over the course of a week. 09:42:16 I wonder if I could setup my own VPS company that only accepts Monero and if I could do so without legally registering the business. I want to say I could but I feel like the static IPs would be suspicious. 09:44:07 That's just a hypothetical by the way. I know that in practically every case registration of the business is required. Some countries let crypto-based companies operate without registration or taxes though so maybe it would depend on country. 10:03:35 where were they streaming? 10:36:48 They were on Dlive but I don't remember the channel name. 11:05:30 * tyljsewqobkj[m] uploaded an image: (48KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/UgLAwiPqXEpshckxfMgnaWTp/b763.jpg > 11:09:52 tyljsewqobkj[m], you're pathetic 11:10:03 really pathetic 11:19:03 I do not quite understand privacy. Last year I run tor hidden service on my vps (with exit node disabled), and then after three days, my vps ip was blocked anywhere, I didn't know how it was exposed😆 until now. 11:19:27 * I do not quite understand security. Last year I run tor hidden service on my vps (with exit node disabled), and then after three days, my vps ip was blocked anywhere, I didn't know how it was exposed😆 until now. 11:19:40 Mochi101, what was it? 11:20:32 azy, just click the link 11:22:45 2scare 11:23:03 oh 12:13:18 * vrivlhsr[m] uploaded an image: (46KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/VRikyFXQvNlyAvWLBHSWMtRV/b230.5.jpg > 12:14:29 .kickban matrix.org 12:17:11 lol 12:18:34 Monero is a fraud 12:23:55 Save_G: Please elaborate 12:25:04 We should just ban all dicksword and matric bots/bridges 12:25:04 jk 12:25:05 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/620459189097201669/838390636335726632/unknown.png 12:25:52 Where is this web site save_g ? 12:26:18 Anybody can go on the internet and say anything about anyone. 12:32:58 😿 12:34:48 I ve never been on the internet 12:36:23 like, yall up in here talking bout banning the matrix which is already not working on #monero-pools.... maybe its not us to go back to your old boomer hipster tech that is irc but on your side to do the change and figure ways to deal with spambots in a better way.... :derp: 12:36:43 just sayin 12:37:38 or just separate them 12:37:42 :o 12:38:45 up until just few days ago the spam was from irc side and it lasted so long... u just a discriminatory fucker tbh 12:39:25 being all elitist from your boomer hipster irc thingy... 12:41:18 Save_G: I don't have the details of the Coral Reef story. 12:41:44 wtf spacekitty420[m] 12:41:46 lol 12:41:54 fr x) 12:42:11 based 12:42:27 dicksword.com is cancer 12:42:31 seriously 12:42:47 u is 12:48:00 help 12:49:29 #monero-markets 13:03:31 * twcaolwjv[m] uploaded an image: (52KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/zclpRnIoTQXApkIMbRaaBplF/b223.jpg > 13:04:44 * spacekitty420[m] uploaded an image: (443KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/STUqUqJhYATtFFAeWtVnXklc/image.png > 13:05:18 * spacekitty420[m] uploaded an image: (989KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/ddTlBfbXbeXnkLSTvBefNIvc/image.png > 13:09:28 more images please 13:12:43 * spacekitty420[m] uploaded an image: (1539KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/XHdYKoKkuFiYFpgtMVJLqaUl/image.png > 13:12:58 catjam 13:48:27 And hereby I declare spacekitty420 the winner of this meme competition 13:48:40 \o/ 13:57:00 lol 14:01:46 hehehe 14:17:23 Does anybody know how can I determine if a coin is going to dip? 14:17:23 I want to dump my DOGE for XMR. 14:17:41 That way at least I'll have 2 figures of money. 14:30:07 jj1013[m]: I can determine that after it's happened, but not before 14:30:08 :-P 14:31:18 * vdghgycee[m] uploaded an image: (55KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/QvZOGRODrkdwOSMlHHHIOXTS/17.jpg > 14:51:09 I wish I was a popular YouTuber so I could tell my fans to fucking raid whoever is doing this shit. 14:51:31 > <@vdghgycee:matrix.org> sent an image. 14:51:31 * I wish I was a popular YouTuber so I could tell my fans to fucking raid the group of whoever is doing this shit. 14:51:31 Those who prefer TikTok, git gud. 14:53:14 jj1013[m]: thx for giving him what he wants 14:53:18 smh 14:53:39 Er... "don't feed the troll"? 15:05:34 FIY, you want to know why you are getting those daily messages? Cults NEED to control information. That's why people like lh1008 get savagly attacked (also called disconnection) for even talking to me. Break the information embargo, break the cult. Who would sign up to Scientology if they knew from the get-go that is is about a sci-fi alien overlord? Who would sign up to MAGA if they knew what a loser Tr 15:05:34 ump is? 15:05:34 You don't sign up to MAGA to do a failed Viking LARP and some time off in club fed. You sign up because you feel like shit and they promise to give you self-respect. It is a total lie of course, you are still a joke even when cosplaying a Viking. Just like Monero's promise of privacy is a lie. 15:08:42 What does FIY mean? 15:08:42 /s if it isn't obvious 15:09:05 for your info 15:09:51 Oh. I forgot different sentences don't show up in IRC. I put an /s. 15:10:09 Also, that's FYI. 15:31:31 the fireice minions are active again 15:33:18 * izniaqsxqnqz[m] uploaded an image: (69KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/YLrYvScnvsJQrpPXMJgalCnc/b230.4.jpg > 15:33:52 and banned again... 15:35:55 monerod log sometimes shows me this: 15:35:55 `E Transaction spends at least one output which is too young` 15:36:56 can this happen accidentally when one is doing a normal spend using a "standard" monero wallet? or is it indication of someone doing something weird 15:37:55 also, what happens to such a transaction? I guess it's majority-rules as to whether it's accepted by the network, but is there a consensus? 16:03:45 Beliefs and promises aren't necessary if we can check the source code, which we can do on Monero, and confirm it's built for privacy, unlike other closed-source cryptocurrencies such as Ripple. People need to understand that, instead of bitching about "me believe in muh DGB oogah boogah". Don't mind about the damn price and read the source code, because it's not the price that matters. It's the 16:03:45 code. 16:04:21 This is getting on my nerves already. 16:06:47 its a troll 16:07:17 stop replying and just mute instantly 16:09:12 Mods don't seem to mind... 16:13:34 anyone else using moneroocean.stream? im noticing some suspicious activity... everytime you don't check the dashboard for your miner for a while your pay hashrate drops to 1/4 of what it should be 16:13:48 as soon as you open the dashboard the pay hashrate shoots up again... 16:13:59 anyone else noticing that? 16:15:29 im starting to suspect whoever is running it is siphoning off hashrate when users arent looking 16:15:56 Use another pool... 16:16:36 Have you tried xmrpool.eu? 16:17:01 @botcoinnotbot 16:17:17 jj1013.: i will, I'm just wondering if any other users of moneroocean are experiencing similar things 16:18:12 Surely the pool is really doing dodgy stuff. Try looking at the pool list on Feather, they seem to be well known. 16:18:20 The Feather Wallet, I mean. 16:42:05 is there any sms verification or phone number for sale that accepts monero ? 16:43:35 botcoinnotbot: mining on moneroocean too and have noticed the same things 16:52:39 jj1013[m]: if you want monermooo, who is one of the best things that has ever happened to monero, to return to this channel then please stfu 16:58:03 /xmr/ general ignoreed me i''ll ask here 16:58:08 With the atomic swap work in progress, moneroniggers speculate that silk road and bitcoin OGs will swap their BTC for monero and drive XMR's price up right? Bisq already exists so why dont they use that? Achieves the exact same thing. Also, once those tainted coins start moving, the feds will start moving and shut down the swap in 2 seconds 16:58:51 question 16:59:07 why are we still expecting any meaningful price action when the swap launches 16:59:21 tbh im perfectly with it crabbing 17:00:22 * rinlslqnneba[m] uploaded an image: (54KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/rmdznYGAbTakSVuDYVavWvng/b113.jpg > 17:17:49 why are we still exp"> Where does this bridge lead to? 17:18:37 discord 17:18:53 Thanks. 17:20:37 trolling from discord, nice 17:37:25 anyone? 17:37:36 dtmf.io is out of stock 18:03:16 hi 18:04:13 * wspjlbugtkzx[m] uploaded an image: (47KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/nLRCefCSHjsWYjazyXkGnTxh/b114.jpg > 18:04:27 I would like to get my first moneros, I am new here 18:05:20 CryptoGirl18 Howdo you want to pay? 18:06:15 mm how could I? 18:09:56 CryptoGirl18: what currency you want to use to buy monero? 18:10:08 my body 18:11:02 there's always r/girlsgonemonero 18:11:12 that's still a thing? 18:12:53 hmmm I see a page full of posts from the same person 18:13:05 and nothing particularly monero-specific 18:14:15 yes, it seems we need to better promote that subreddit in order to revitalize it 18:14:16 to receive payments in monero, could just create a paper wallet like with: https://moneroaddress.org/ then give the address when asking for a payment 18:16:04 webcam for monero! 18:16:11 I do webcam for monero 18:18:54 hey i pay u MONERO 4 body cam 18:19:12 unless getting a website setup for you that does process monero, am not aware of current camming platforms that do support it for their viewers 18:25:27 CryptoGirl18: Jut do .faucet 18:25:36 and you will be showered with richness 18:26:46 .faucet 18:26:47 spacekitty420[m]: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in? 18:26:53 .faucet 18:26:53 CryptoGirl18: Access denied for faucet. Are you logged in? 18:27:58 .faucet 18:28:07 rude 18:33:52 * vdymcldqycl[m] uploaded an image: (54KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/gkOBgqiTgztMbLpeNFDGTaUg/b112.jpg > 19:01:15 ceruleous: can't shut down an atomic swap, but I think it's mostly nonsense 19:01:30 if someone wants to sell xbt for xmr it's trivial already 19:02:02 so xmr atomic swaps will probably not change anything 19:03:11 you wont have to rely on exchanges 19:03:57 you'll still need some way to find trade partners 19:04:19 those will replace the role of exchanges 19:04:37 craigslist 19:05:50 will also need a price reference if all volume leaves CEXs 19:06:11 but yeah i cant imagine anyone interested in trading monero for potentially tainted bitcoins 19:10:20 Atomic swaps will disincentivise delisting on exchanges, and also allow people to miss out exchanges altogether. Not everyone will use them but they are a huge step forward. 19:14:22 charuto: how does that change anything tho 19:14:26 I mean, TradeOgre exists 19:14:30 and price is not $infinity 19:14:37 hyc: haveno? 19:16:22 bisq fork that is monero-centric 19:17:12 https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/mmrchk/im_happy_to_announce_haveno_the_monero_based_dex/ 19:17:24 I don't see why people would use atomic swaps to sell their bitcoins for monero, when they can already sell them for monero 19:17:43 the idea that people have trillions of dollars that they want to exchange into monero, but only if a very specific thing is done, seems like wishful thinking 19:20:09 Atomic swaps provide another different way of swapping. With different pros and cons. 19:20:09 Why so anti atomic swaps? There are many central exchanges, why not argue that we only need one CEX? 19:21:46 how would you guys swap 740 000 BTC from Mt gox hack to monero? that hacker must be a retard not to have done it I guess 19:22:32 <[r|y`a_n]> well no, bitcoin has appreciated faster than xmr 19:22:50 <[r|y`a_n]> but the answer is "slowly" 19:23:47 <[r|y`a_n]> this is not very difficult stuff 19:24:24 <[r|y`a_n]> if you offer to trade that btc for xmr at 10% below market rates you will find lots of takers willing to take millions worth every day 19:24:51 <[r|y`a_n]> world is full of traders willing to jump on an opportunity like that 19:34:02 yanmaani: atomic swaps remove a lot of paper trail risks 19:35:41 atomic swaps aren't a one way blackhole into monero, a lot of people will probably swap into monero for x amount of time then swap back 19:38:28 dont forgot about arbitrage bots too 19:43:13 yyug[m]: no, people can do what they want, I'm just saying it's not gonna make the number go up 19:43:36 hmmp: bisq? how would you find counterparties to fill you for 740 kBTC worth of atomic swaps? 19:43:59 botcoinnotbot[m]: what are the "paper trail risks" and why does TradeOgre/Bisq have them? 19:44:00 <[r|y`a_n]> you offer ridiculously good rates, counterparties will come 19:44:06 Yeah it will to an extent. It's a piece to the puzzle. Interoperability 19:44:08 <[r|y`a_n]> this is simple stuff 19:44:32 yanmaani: increased users -> Metcalfe's law -> line go up 19:44:40 <[r|y`a_n]> with 740k btc you can create tremendous incentive for other people to build the laundering infrastructure for you 19:45:01 * Yeah it will make it go up to an extent. It's a piece to the puzzle. Interoperability 19:45:03 <[r|y`a_n]> offer 10% off and that's an opportunity for someone to earn 74k via arbitrage 19:45:27 Ah ok. Yeah I agree, I’m not convinced the price will go up that much. Tbh I’ve never really thought about that much. More just that it is another welcome way of being able to exchange xmr. 19:45:29 [r|y`a_n]: OK, so then why don't they use Bisq? 19:45:34 <[r|y`a_n]> sure, it'll probably take months to get rid of all the BTC. does that matter? 19:45:43 <[r|y`a_n]> yanmaani: maybe they want to hold the btc? maybe they lost the keys? 19:46:04 it doesn't make sense - probably 740k btc (=$37 billion dollars) is hard to launder 19:46:12 and you can't show up with $37 bil of untraceable crypto either 19:46:43 Havano would be much better than Bisq. Based on Monero instead of BTC so more private. 19:47:11 $37 billion while currently the whole xmr marketcap at like $7b 19:47:15 yanmaani: bisq =/= privacy when you are dealing with govs 19:47:22 <[r|y`a_n]> yanmaani: so why wouldn't you cash out a few hundred million? 19:47:30 do it 1 bil at a time 19:47:39 <[r|y`a_n]> spacekitty420[m]: not really a problem, market cap will go up if you're trying to buy 37B worth of xmr lol 19:47:40 botcoinnotbot[m]: that's not a competent argument 19:47:43 why would the users increase 19:48:12 <[r|y`a_n]> if you offer people an opportunity to buy bitcoin at 10% off for monero, they will take that opportunity 19:48:20 <[r|y`a_n]> it might take you an year or two to get rid of your bitcoin, that's fine 19:48:23 botcoinnotbot[m]: Running bisq on a VPS would work just fine. Bisq runs over Tor. 19:48:49 ppl go where the money is 19:48:50 Privacy of bisq is not much worse than haveno with atomic swaps. Whatever theoretical attacks exist where you use all the 0-days to attack Tor, also impact Haveno 19:49:16 [r|y`a_n]: why didn't bisq attackers do that without atomic swaps? 19:49:31 <[r|y`a_n]> you don't care because you have 37 billion and don't mind spending a few billion to compensate other people for the laundering 19:49:49 <[r|y`a_n]> yanmaani: what do you mean? 19:55:13 [r|y`a_n]: if they want to cash out just a tiny bit, why do they need atomic swaps 19:55:27 they could just withdraw $100 million, sell it on bisq, and be done 19:55:34 <[r|y`a_n]> yanmaani: I don't think they do need atomic swaps 19:55:43 <[r|y`a_n]> even though atomic swaps do remove some friction 19:55:46 if you have that much money, you could just pay a corrupt lawyer to set you up with a shell company 19:55:53 and then pay someone to build you an exchange 19:56:07 <[r|y`a_n]> I think odds are those people just lost their keys or aren't in a hurry to cash out because they stole enough money from other places 19:56:53 <[r|y`a_n]> bitfinex attacker is a great example of someone who wasn't in a hurry because they were filty rich already 19:56:56 uh... thats actually smart... wondering why they aint doing that as of right now tho 19:57:46 yanmaani: I agree that some people are overstating the impact on price as things currently stand. 19:57:55 As to why not just use tradeogre?, Some people don't want to risk using an exchange due to possible loss. 19:58:03 Also as tradeogre gets bigger, it has grown significantly recently, the more risk of outside pressure trying to shut them down. 19:58:05 Mt. Gox made the whole btc price drop to $6k from 20k back in 2018 by slowly selling tho 19:58:05 <[r|y`a_n]> tradeogre api also sucks 19:58:15 So atomic swaps are supposed to help with this exchange cat and mouse game and give a stable way going forward to swap without concerns. 19:58:18 So if swaps will be beneficial for the price it might take awhile. Hype vs fundamental reality = .shrug 19:58:31 nioc: if you have $37 billion, going in blocks of $100k isn't really a significant risk 19:59:02 spacekitty420[m]: my uneducated guess is they're just waiting for the money to cool off. If they wait a decade, most statutes of limitation should be out, for instance 19:59:13 till that avenue is no longer available 19:59:33 yanmaani: when you have stolen funds trading any of it is risk 19:59:42 botcoinnotbot[m]: for whom and how 19:59:46 <[r|y`a_n]> statutes of limitation are tricky 20:00:00 <[r|y`a_n]> you can never know if there's a sealed indictment somewhere 20:00:04 swaps will always we available, that will bring certainty which some say is an issue rn 20:00:07 blacklisted bitcoin is worth $0, any price above that is net profit 20:00:17 at that scale, "exchange steals 0.00027% of my money" is not really a risk 20:00:55 nioc: maybe? I can't see why the price can't drop to 0 though. I mean, they could just mark as tainted all btc gotten from atomic swaps 20:01:24 <[r|y`a_n]> they haven't even gotten very far doing that with joinmarket transactions 20:01:30 <[r|y`a_n]> sometimes, rarely, some exchanges will complain 20:01:33 yes, only btc deposited in your bank are any good lol 20:01:34 <[r|y`a_n]> but those coins are far from worthless 20:02:07 yanmaani: after taproot, atomic swaps look like any tx afaik 20:02:19 They do, if they succeeed 20:03:08 yanmaani: https://twitter.com/CryptoWhale/status/1382392286819057668?s=20 20:04:05 <[r|y`a_n]> bitfinex hacker robbed several other things and was in no hurry to sell that money 20:04:06 oh shit and some btc maxi might even want regulations to define all btc from atomic swap as tainted cause that would mean less usable btc in circulation so even more scarce making the price increase... jfc, thats all fucked up eh 20:04:08 <[r|y`a_n]> erm, btc 20:04:21 botcoinnotbot[m]: see, there you go 20:04:25 no need to atomic swap it out 20:05:04 well there is no need for ice cream 20:05:14 or cryptocurrency 20:07:02 atomic swaps are p2p which is sort is like how this was all started 20:07:21 yanmaani: those are not sales they are trying to obfuscate their funds 20:07:37 spacekitty420[m]: Not possible after taproot 20:08:00 Also, the point of atomic swaps is security 20:08:16 Exchanges can close any day. Their owners can walk away with the funds. 20:08:21 Not your keys, not your crypto. 20:08:39 Atomic swaps keep funds in your keys, or a shared key you're guaranteed to get your funds into your key from. 20:09:28 They also offer a more decentralized approach to performing trades. It's not to say they have to be used with a DEX. You could meet in person and atomic swap so you don't risk having to call the police/getting into a fight. 20:09:45 you mean there wont be any way to figure that a btc came from atomic swap after that? 20:10:00 Taproot swaps looks identical to standard TXs 20:10:13 oh, alrighty then o.o 20:10:42 I *hope* atomic swaps won't be traced as such. That'd be annoying as hell. 20:16:19 hi 20:16:21 * fzgdecaaa[m] uploaded an image: (33KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/DlyVLhFQYJlxUIQzHsazzysF/b05.jpg > 20:17:53 * spacekitty420[m] uploaded an image: (376KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/SmsHfoGMKNWxDtHDxBbHzDxy/image.png > 20:18:50 bonk 20:19:16 * spacekitty420[m] uploaded an image: (289KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/qSJZFzBsZckxByTnoDQhyivK/image.png > 20:20:14 lol 20:20:21 :3 20:21:59 in the end there will only be 1 btc left 20:23:32 yup, everyone passing away without sharing priv keys with loved ones, hardware failure and whatnot from dem whales [...] 20:24:32 no one mining it no more cause fees taken offchain so no more incentive to mine, difficulty readjustment every 2016 blocks making weeks long block, btc completely unusable 20:26:22 and maxis gonna maxis being in their disillusion that btc supremacy gon happen, 2nd layer solutions will fix everything and numbers go up lolol :derp: 20:29:39 if fees go down then hashrate goes down 20:29:42 why wouldn't diff adjust 20:29:42 btw, as there been any debate about that diff readjustment on btc ever? how come it still hasnt been forked? i mean, like there's been debates over the blocksize and dumb stuff like that 20:29:59 as long as HR never goes down by more than a certain % in 2 weeks, you're fine 20:30:16 spacekitty420[m]: it's a hard fork, and it's not a terrible issue - the blocksize fucks everything up 20:33:12 so, we saw that happened on smaller coins on which its easier to make use of that 2016 block thingy, if nethash low then big farms joining to get some of those fast block and leaves right before the higher diff kick in then back again when its low again and such 20:34:04 yeah but that only happens if btc isn't the biggest 20:34:16 btc is only threatened by other sha256d coins 20:35:13 and we saw hashrate thrown around by dumb mofos during the bch/bsv split 20:35:23 risking a 51% on btc 20:55:52 charuto: dang lol, just left the #monero-markets room from matrix cause apparently my messages from there wasnt being sent to the bridge but now its being all like gotta be invited to re-join 20:55:54 :derp: 20:56:15 i'll invite you 20:56:31 tyty <3 21:09:26 I've tried to sent a monero transaction though my node, however the transaction didn't go fully through, I am assuming it was because the node has troubles with incomming connections, like I described earlier. My question is, should the node start accepting incoming connections, will this transaction (created few days ago) be broadcasted thru the network? How are mempool transactions stored in monerod? 21:12:09 you can broadcast txns without incoming connections 21:12:25 connections are always bidirectional once established, so that's not relevant at all 21:15:03 anyway if it's that old already you might as well flush it and start over 21:15:21 assuming your node has any active connections and is caught up to the network 21:16:58 Pepin: wdym it didnt go "fully"? like it went partially in what way? have u done a rescan on wallet? does `show_transfers` gives you any info on the transaction? 21:26:57 The node (monerod) crashed I think and monero-gui was just stalled in the last phase of sending a transaction. After a few minutes I killed it, went back, there was no transaction in history but part of my balance wasn't spendable. Anyways I've removed the wallet and restored it just to be sure it didn't break or smth 21:28:05 hyc: like removing the lmdb? My node is caught up, however it doesn't have any incoming connections 21:29:49 no. use the flush_pool command 21:29:51 or whatever it's called 21:29:58 use the help command to find it 21:31:29 you removed the wallet and restored it and still have unspendable balance? 21:31:43 in that case it sounds like the txn actually got sent. 21:33:39 The restore process took some time, so I wouldn't know. I only saw the unspendable balance in the original wallet file, but there was no transaction in the transactions tab. Strange. 21:40:20 flush_txpool 21:40:27 in the daemon 21:40:40 you can add the txid if you have it 21:41:37 Yeah, I did that, maybe it wasn't even needed, considering monerod crashed for some reason. 21:42:25 Can comebody tell me why is it that monero-gui showed the unspendable balance even though the transaction wasn't broadcasted? 21:56:55 twitter.com/hyc_symas/status/1203709575226183683 21:56:55 Last time I got an award like that was in a primary school football team. It had three stars too and said that I'm special :') 21:56:55 I just binned it though instead of showing it off to naive groupies. What kind of preson takes a group achievement award and presents it as a proof of their individual prowess anyway? 22:01:56 i wonder if he really means soccer 22:13:40 yo 22:34:00 wuddup 22:44:09 * botcoinnotbot[m] uploaded an image: (34KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/ChNJBVHKikIlrYMeVoaBBqaD/qiqi.jpeg > 22:44:14 taproot failed this epoch 22:44:24 yo 22:45:25 yoooooooooooo 22:56:57 louipc: probably the foot kind of football, yeah, given "binned" 22:57:02 louipc: not the handegg kind of football 23:00:39 Out of curiosity, I know to recieve monero both cakewallet and the desktop GUI allows you to have multiple different sub-addresses for recieving, but seemingly only has a single sending address? Is there any privacy concerns on sending monero relative to recieving it? 23:00:54 * Out of curiosity, I know to recieve monero both cakewallet and the desktop GUI allows you to have multiple different sub-addresses for recieving, but seemingly only has a single sending address? Is there any privacy considerations on sending monero relative to recieving it? 23:05:21 kitty_hut: cant see sending address 23:06:10 Ah ok, and I assume that includes the reciever? So the recieving addresses being different is just as a protection against, say, having multiple different publicly available recieving addresses from being as easy to link with the same wallet? 23:08:22 * Ah ok, and I assume that includes the reciever? So the recieving addresses being different is just as a protection against, say, having multiple different publicly available recieving addresses from being as easy to link with the same wallet, and with hopefully/probably in normal use no party but the sender knows who sent XMR to the reciever? 23:08:54 kitty_hut: yes, multiple subaddresses lets you have different identities with the same seed 23:09:18 But you can't have different sending addresses 23:09:48 And they're on a single device in my experience, couldn't see my accounts on more than one device (the one I created the second account on) 23:09:49 if you are interested in learning more about moneros privacy listening to the series breaking monero https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOyC6OB6ezA&list=PLsSYUeVwrHBnAUre2G_LYDsdo-tD0ov-y can help you understand it better 23:09:57 but nobody sees your sending address 23:10:29 Doesn't the receiver see it? 23:10:40 Oh right 23:12:09 Ah yeah, I watched the first and part of the second episode on that series, gotta listen to some more in the backround because monero is one of the more interesting projects (other than nym and oxen/loki which have different goals) lol 23:13:22 lol 23:25:19 Oh yeah, speaking of monero, I am kinda curious if anyone knows the precise reason for the locking/unlocking of the balance, and if with scale/updates it will ever get any different? 23:26:01 * Oh yeah, speaking of monero, I am kinda curious if anyone knows the precise reason for the locking/unlocking of the balance after, say, sending XMR, and if with scale/updates it will ever get any different? 23:31:15 kitty_hut: privacy reason, prevents a lot of heuristics based upon the age of decoys 23:31:51 you can change it in the wallet code if you want to, i dont believe its enforced at the protocol level 23:38:58 locking unlocking I assume you are talking the 10 blocks that it takes for a tx to confirm 23:40:38 it locks the output that you sent, if you only have one output in your wallet then in practice it locks the entire balance 23:41:39 I only use the CLI and know that you can break a single output into several 23:46:39 botcoinnotbot[m]: it is enforced 23:47:24 kitty_hut[m]: it is possible that this will change in the future, I have seen some talk about it in #monero-research-lab 23:47:42 problem is that transactions would get larger in size 23:55:17 Why doesn't Monero break outputs up by default? 23:55:35 Like if you'd use the code bitcoin uses, to avoid cross-contamination. Defense in depth.