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jj1013[m]
<ctmpmwvs[m] "b339.jpg"> Don't quote without sources. Hahaha, they are so stupid they will anyways even if I say not to.
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jj1013[m]
- whoever is running this FUD campaign
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fehho[m]
Once again, you are replying to a bot.
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fehho[m]
Well, I assume somebody has said it's a bot
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jj1013[m]
I just discovered Fluffypony tells people to not buy Monero. However, he tells people to USE it instead. Wow, the world is ending. What an incredible surprise, whooo...
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jj1013[m]
If you tell people to buy it because it's going up in price, there is a chance it will go down and people will feel angry and hurt. In short, support Monero by mining and minting.
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hyc
support monero by using it. accept it in your businesses, spend it at vendors who accept it.
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louipc
and hold
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entry1
<hyc "support monero by using it. acce"> Yeah agreed. I do need to start trying to pay with it, and just buy back with it at the same time in fiat. That way that individual has it to use, and I can still keep my original stash
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charolastra
i've created a subaddress in the cli version and the system crashed while the wallet was open. now that subaddress isn't there anymore. without that one the wallet won't notice any incoming payments, right?
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volantaryism1[m]
charolastra: if a tx was sent to that subaddress it will find them
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charolastra
even if the first reception is in the future?
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volantaryism1[m]
charolastra: time doesnt matter afaik
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charolastra
cool, thanks
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hyc
entry1: yep, that's the way
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yanmaani
entry1: The "correct" way is for Monero to become an unit of account
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yanmaani
so instead of saying "pay $400", say "pay XMR 1"
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yanmaani
in practice, monero is probably "too expensive" for this to work; there are aesthetic conerns with "pay 0.001 XMR"
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yanmaani
but back in the day, things were priced in even numbers of bitcoins!
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yanmaani
in practice, I don't think cryptos have a good shot at being such. People have an incentive to use dollars or euros, because it is legal tender, but there's no good reason not to use them as your unit of account even if transacting in XMR.
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Quotes
CRYPTO IS NOT CRYPTOCURRENCY ಠ_ಠ ~ IT REFERS TO CRYPTOGRAPHY, yanmaani
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yanmaani
And that is fine, I guess, I'm more than happy transacting anonymous money that I happen to refer to in conveniently dollar-sized chunks.
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[r|y`a_n]
for that to work we'd need some kind of monero central bank to steer currency value
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volantaryism1[m]
Anyone got a quick run down on the monero vs liquid bisq shitstorm on twitter?
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hyc
is it a shitstorm? I thought it was a pretty short convo
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entry1
<yanmaani "entry1: The "correct" way is for"> Agreed, but the unit of account is too unstable in terms of monetary power. Most assets are compared relative to a currency that doesn't fluctuate in "value" so frequently. I do await the day that it does though.
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yanmaani
[r|y`a_n]: basically, yes.
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yanmaani
but another solution would be supply and demand
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yanmaani
if you make it so that the difficulty doesn't fully adjust, and a higher hashrate means a higher emission, this would cause the emission to go up if prices go up, causing prices to temper. and if prices go down, and hashrates go down, difficulty would not drop quite as much, reducing the emission
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hyc
where we put the decimal point is rather arbitrary. you could list prices in millinero instead
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yanmaani
that is of course a terrible idea for other reasons
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yanmaani
hyc: good point, but in practice people don't. Back when 1 XXX <= $1, they might have
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Olivia81
dear community I am new to xmr
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Olivia81
how can I get some coins to play with
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fehho[m]
There is the testnet, you can mine for a few weeks, or there is a faucet in this channel, command .faucet
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Olivia81
any people can send me $2 as a tip?
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Olivia81
my wallet address is 431HGFMRvpE5Ma2GtekB9b2hmTzc3MLZPKQu8UAhSar6NZwdQXV9dPbfQKwEriygsiJy1KhTja2GYXdTDhSePPpvHiRZRjn
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BigBoiiMike
Hello Friends
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uizwwehzw
FUK has bееn intеnsеly hostilе to Monеro for ovеr 4 yеars. Making minеrs for Monеro, making a pool for Monеro, making codе that Monеro copiеd, not using bugs to stеal millions from еxchangеs. Wow. Such grеat hostility.
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yanmaani
why not address pattern autoban
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hpkualujrc
Remember kids. If you call project coral reef for what it is - fluffypony embezzling half a mil usd from the monero fund for a website with smaller adoption than monero woo plugin, you will get excommunicated. Why do you think charities need Teslas? They don't and Elon won't support Monero 150k will sure buy a lot of party time for those that actually do get it.
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knight_of_ni
are all monero open source hardware wallet projects dead (e.g. kastelo.org)?
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Inge-
Have not heard anything from Kastelo for a long time now. Don't know any other initiatives. Trezor and Ledger both work fine though
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nioc
Inge-: don't know what it means or where it goes from here but just a few days ago it was mentioned by michael that there is a new chip that th
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nioc
Wrong key lol
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nioc
That has more capabilities and can handle monero more easily so it can do all the things needed
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nioc
Hope that made some sense as I drift off to sleep
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kitty_hut[m]
What's up with the spam?
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Mochi101
kitty_hut[m], it's just some dick that has been doing it for as long as I can remember.
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Inge-
kitty_hut[m]: low-level effort to discredit the project
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kitty_hut[m]
ah yeah, I very rarely lurk here and last time I looked at it I didn't recall this lol
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Inge-
Seems to me that this person and his coin was falling into obscurity, so needed to get a bit of PR going again
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kitty_hut[m]
ah
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Inge-
"they just won't leave me alone"
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kijari[m]
Does anyone have recommendations on a company that offers kvm storage servers in exchange for Monero which is located outside of the 14 eyes?
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Mochi101
Might even be a lost and forgotton, rogue bot now Inge-
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kitty_hut[m]
Yknow, I'm mixed, its dissapointing more things like free and open source projects don't accept monero donations. Hmm... maybe I should set up something to convert monero to litecoin or something on temp wallets or something to donate, or I could just not donate to projects that don't accept crypto that isn't really trying to be a currency (like monero or possibly nano) lol
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philkode
better option is to reach out to the projects you like and ask if they'd consider taking monero
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kitty_hut[m]
fair point
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kijari[m]
That's primarily due to that fact that countries are regulating the hell out of Monero and other cryptocurrencies. They don't want anyone to use them, or I suppose more accurately, they want to control everyone who uses them. Most people tend to want to stay away from Monero and similar cryptocurrencies because of that alone.
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kitty_hut[m]
guess I'm stubborn because for me that would be more of a reason to accept it LOL
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kijari[m]
Some simply want to stay away from Monero because it's seen as a "naughty" cryptocurrency for being, at least currently, impossible to track.
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kijari[m]
The more I get into hosting my own services and regaining control of my own privacy and data, the more I realize how badly I need to start my own ISP (so that I don't have an ISP tracking everything I do and get good speeds for fair rates) and my own VPS service for reasonable prices in good locations.
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kitty_hut[m]
wait, wdym by your own ISP? I never honestly thought of that. Is that something that could be done with just a moderate server laying around or take actual startup level of funding?
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kijari[m]
Seriously depends on location. If you're in the united states, you need to be near the area that the internet cables enter the country which would be the East and West coast. Then there's the cost with laying cables, installing switches, all of that fun stuff.
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nikg83[m]
Any plans to reduce 10 confirmations before balance unlock ? Can this be done after Triptych implementation?
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nikg83[m]
Waiting 20 minutes for next payment is a real deal breaker and a first bad impression to new monero users
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kijari[m]
If it's just for you and the location isn't too far away, maybe $20,000 USD but that's seriously stretching it. It's typically $50,000 USD and up to start one and the easiest method for funding is fundraising from around the community. If your area has awful internet and only one or two ISP options, many people will back it. It's happened in many countries too for various reasons.
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kijari[m]
Once you get fundraising completed you can get others to sign onto your service to make the money back.
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kitty_hut[m]
Interesting, thats actually something that some people could do, and sounds very cheap if multiple local people would be pitching in.
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apotheon
kitty_hut[m]: The Copyfree Initiative takes Monero, though it's not on the website yet.
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kijari[m]
Lots of graphics on this site but it says the cost that many people had to pay for their services. Keep in mind most of them are in rather remote areas which greatly increases costs due to laying fiber cables.
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kijari[m]
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Inge-
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kitty_hut[m]
apotheon: ah, that looks neat. although, from my limited understanding I would have to support copyleft over copyfree, copycenter, ect.
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Snipa
That feels massively out of date. I can't see people really deploying w/ T1's any more for a half-way respectable ISP, even back in 2015.
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Inge-
nikg83[m]: There is no technical reason why funds could not be unlocked at once - HOWEVER, it would be bad for privacy. So to help protect everyones privacy, there is a 10-block unlock time. I agree it can be a hassle. But once you get a handle on managing outputs, it becomes manageable.
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apotheon
kitty_hut[m]: I'm opposed to anything that imposes friction in open source development, so I lean toward CI rather than FSF.
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apotheon
Copyleft licenses have severe issues with license incompatibility.
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nikg83[m]
<Inge- "nikg83: There is no technical re"> Yes, but there should be some research done to reduce it, maybe with higher ring size it would be possible?
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asymptotically
apotheon: yeah it's great when big business can just take your code and give nothing back :D
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asymptotically
copyright and IP situation sucks, but copyleft licenses are opting out of it harder than just public domaining your stuff or using something like the MIT license
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Snipa
What're you running into where the 10 block restriction is a real issue?
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Inge-
nikg83[m]: yeah maybe it can be revisited
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apotheon
asymptotically: It's also "great" when big business uses the GPL as an anticompetitive tool and to bilk open source devs into giving it free labor.
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kijari[m]
I suppose I should mention as well that starting your own ISP can be significantly cheaper if you opt to start it as a WISP. Basically, you operate through satellites and towers rather than fiber cables.
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kitty_hut[m]
kijari: oh?
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Snipa
WISP's don't usually work off sats except maybe for the main downlink, they tend to use wifi.
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apotheon
Yeah, wireless stuff gets a lot better.
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asymptotically
apotheon: when does that happen? even if you're required to sign a CLA, the code you contributed will always be usable under the GPL and nobody can take that away
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apotheon
s/better/cheaper for purposes of start-up costs/
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kitty_hut[m]
I'm not a dev in the slightest, but, I do know if I were to contribute to any project I would want it so that 1. anyone could modify and make their own forks and 2. any forks that get distributed are free and open, not used for properietary bs.
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apotheon
asymptotically: Sure, but then you get shit like "open core" (with the stuff that makes it most competitive being closed) or open source code for peripheral crap while the core is closed.
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nikg83[m]
<Snipa "What're you running into where t"> Funding by new wallet from exchange, then wanting to buy from 2 vendors ; it would take so much of time, atleast an hour ?
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Snipa
nikg83[m] - You can use multiple outputs on a single txn.
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apotheon
asymptotically: . . . and nobody else can compete without reinventing the world, then.
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Snipa
Pools do it all the time, paying out 15-20 people per txn.
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apotheon
Anyway, I take a "first do no harm" approach to things, rather than "try to nuke corporations and also harm a bunch of open source projects in the vicinity".
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kijari[m]
<kitty_hut[m] "I'm not a dev in the slightest, "> I just use one of two licences depending on how much I care. The "Do whatever the fuck you want" licence and I can't remember the name of the other one, but it makes it so that any improvements to the code must be given back to the project but forks, modification, redistribution, etc. are allowed as well.
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asymptotically
gosh darn free software extremists ;D
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Snipa
Licensing is a pain. :D
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nikg83[m]
<Snipa "nikg83 - You can use multiple ou"> Yes but what if I saw something else to buy after a minute of sending first payment ?
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apotheon
Snipa: Yeah, it is. Luckily, copyfree licenses tend to be very short.
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Snipa
nikg83[m] You just have to wait for it to unlock, or start making smaller withdrawls so you have multiple inputs/outputs available.
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apotheon
"pay devs, not lawyers"
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kijari[m]
WISPS are a far better way to run an ISP if you have less money to play with and your clientele are within maybe 20 miles or so. You can definitely go a lot further but it depends on what you want to accomplish and where your user base is.
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kitty_hut[m]
honestly, I have never heard of WISPS, how do they compare?
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Snipa
The wallet doesn't lock entirely, just inputs less than 10 blocks old, so if you've got multiple inputs, the wallet will spend them efficiently so yoiu're not locking things up entirely.
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kitty_hut[m]
I assume they are the slower cheaper option given the implication they are wireless?
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Snipa
Frankly though, bitcoin's about as bad, as a fair number of systems require a confirmation or two, btc just lets you keep spending future txns.
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Snipa
You can get multi-gig over wifi without too much of an issue (Ubiquiti is common in the space w/ their air-fiber)
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kitty_hut[m]
it confuses me why bitcoin is even a thing, its dissapointing how far (what I presume is) brand loyalty and recognision can go (on top of investors)
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Snipa
Less stable due to it being well, wifi so a bit more effected by the environment and nature, but you're not trenching fiber and dealing with that red tape.
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kitty_hut[m]
<Snipa "You can get multi-gig over wifi "> oh?>
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kijari[m]
<kitty_hut[m] "I assume they are the slower che"> WISPS are just wireless internet service providers and it's generally a faster connection to servers than cables (most of the time) while being far cheaper to setup. The issues arise from weather, interference depending on which frequency you are broadcasting at, and all of that fun stuff.
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Snipa
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Snipa
Ubiquiti has been working in the wisp space for awhile to provide better backhaul transit links. When I was considering moving somewhere rural, one of the plans was to get a decent connection in town then back-haul it using AF.
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kijari[m]
Basically, it's ideal for WISPS to provide internet to those within a set radius of their towers and that depends on their frequencies that are being used and the height of the towers. The higher the tower, the further the distance.
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apotheon
If you're in an area where you don't get interfering weather for long stretches, and you ensure a very high level of uptime for your equipment, your WISP can be at least as stable as Comcast.
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nikg83[m]
<Snipa "nikg83 You just have to wait for"> Yes, but it’s not that easy to manage I/o specially on mobile wallets
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kitty_hut[m]
On the topic of standards, god, its a shame things still use email so heavily. I would love to use matrix or xmpp or the such to send emails with instead from the normal chat client lol
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kijari[m]
I can't even purchase something online without a phone number and I don't even own a phone.
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kitty_hut[m]
lol yeah thats also insane
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kitty_hut[m]
phone numbers and emails as they are now should just die
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kijari[m]
I basically have to go to an electronics store and drop off a list of what they need to buy for me. Then I come back and charge their markup on everything because I have very few other choices and I refuse to pay for a phone number or get a phone. I have no use for either of them.
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Snipa
Email is great for asyncronous, multi-device work.
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Snipa
Phone numbers can go burn, but email is quite nice when you're working asyncroniously from people you need to contact. XMPP and the like are better for live comms, but that's what they were designed for.
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kitty_hut[m]
<kijari[m] "I basically have to go to an ele"> yeah, honestly, companies should be either not required or even barred from collecting certain information about their clients
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kijari[m]
This is why I want to work for the developers of the Zyg programming languages. Non-profit organization, $48,000 USD/year salary, and they communicate on services such as mumble and matrix. It's amazing.
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kitty_hut[m]
for the most part imo companies should just know they got money and have a dropbox or such to send it to, and then the mailing services would just know to pick up package labeled "asdflj3medds" and send it to a certain address.
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kitty_hut[m]
* for the most part imo companies should just know they got money and have a dropbox or such to send it to, and then the (optional ofc) mailing services would just know to pick up package labeled "asdflj3medds" and send it to a certain address.
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kijari[m]
I want that to be a thing but I know damn well it isn't possible. It's why I'm somewhat interested in getting a lawyer in the future to look into the legalities behind starting an ISP or WISP. I want to know if I am required to obtain customer information, what is required, how long it must be stored for. You get the idea. It would be a really interesting subject to learn more on because every ISP I know of tracks
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kijari[m]
everything that every user does on their networks. If possible legally, I'd like to avoid that entirely and just not log anything. If I am forced to do logging, I'll just setup a WISP for myself and nobody else.
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kijari[m]
I swear the companies are not legally required to collect that information but they do it anyway for profit.
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kitty_hut[m]
If they aren't required to they should be barred from it. Also, while unlikely any time in the near future, I doubt it would be impossible. Everything is impossible until it happens.
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kijari[m]
Very true. Flashbacks to when people were "crazy" because all phone calls were traces and recorded. Turns out they were right and then everyone was just like "Yeah. Whatever. We don't care."
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kijari[m]
Now we live in a world of google, amazon, and other companies knowing damn near everything about us with no consequences for the companies regardless of what happens.
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kijari[m]
I wonder how far tracking can be pushed until people start fighting back and demanding privacy again. Same for right to repair.
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kijari[m]
Just for clarification, no I was not around when that was a thing. Just reminded me of stories of it happening.
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DisBotXMR1
<BrianTX> Unfortunately, as long as you justify something in terms of a need for "safety" or "security" it really seems like people's level of tolerance for overreach is really substantial. And the longer they are just use to it as a fact of life, the more comfortable they are with accepting virtually anything. I hope that I am wrong...
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kijari[m]
I think you're pretty close to it Brian. People tend to accept it until eventually it oversteps their bounds and they rebel, but that often takes so long that it requires complete restructuring or systems to fix the long-lasting issues.
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kitty_hut[m]
back
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kijari[m]
Welcome back.
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kijari[m]
Sorry for going back in time a bit. I was looking into starting an ISP or WISP and as it turns out, there is an entire community based around it and they have a matrix server as well. Just thought it was something really awesome which was worth sharing.
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kitty_hut[m]
oh? that is very interesting.
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kijari[m]
Almost 1000 people in the room as well. That's far more than what I was expecting.
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kijari[m]
Not sure when this spreadsheet was last updated but it claims that the startup cost for a WISP is around $25,000 USD with a monthly maintenance cost of $3000 USD. I'd probably double that to give myself a buffer for everything but if this is anywhere near accurate, that's not bad at all.
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Inge-
what success did they have with Tor and i2p?
i.redd.it/fypvfw6bkgw61.jpg
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kitty_hut[m]
Inge-: What's that?
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kitty_hut[m]
Also, why are there not mods actively removing the spam?
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kitty_hut[m]
* Also, why are there not mods actively removing the FUDbots?
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kitty_hut[m]
* Also, why are there not mods actively removing the FUDbot spam?
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kijari[m]
If you're referring to the government of America, they have on numerous occasions been able to setup enough Tor nodes to be able to identify users within the Tor and i2p networks. It's a constant battle between developers and near infinite funding.
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kitty_hut[m]
I'm curious what the future of the battle will be, I wonder if there is a more sound way to go about something like Tor or I2P that would make sense for more broad appeal as well.
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kijari[m]
I know that the Loki Network exists and is trying to be "Tor 2.0" but I don't know how good it actually is or how it compares. I don't even know how easy it would be for someone to setup enough nodes to be able to identify users within the network.
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kitty_hut[m]
Somehow I feel like its all being thought about wrong, but, I don't know nearly enough to know exactly how the problem would be solved, or even a rough idea.
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fatchan
afaik you need to stake their coin to become a full service node in loki network, so it would become expensive to try and own a large portion of nodes
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kitty_hut[m]
ooo interesting
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kitty_hut[m]
Is there any indication on the pros/cons compared to things like tor/i2p?
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kitty_hut[m]
I was ironically about to mention "I wonder if anyone has made a tor coin"
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kijari[m]
Very little information since that's just on the homepage, not a whitepaper, but at least it somewhat gives an idea of it. You have to stake to become a node in their network so it would become expensive to create multiple nodes but I don't know the minimum stake required or the cost of their token at the moment. I can take a look at that as well if you like.
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kitty_hut[m]
* on a similar topic I was about to mention "I wonder if anyone has made a tor coin"
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kijari[m]
Their faq (
lokinet.org/faq) has information on how it compares to Tor if you're interested. It's probably better for me to link it instead of pasting a giant block here.
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fatchan
the minimum is 15000, which i think is now a constant. quite expensive for one person, you would have to do a staking pool unless you wanted to put up a lot of $ upfront
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kijari[m]
Okay, yeah. That's some serious money for one node. Oxen is around $2 USD each and you're required to stake a minimum of 15,000 Oxen to have a service node. In other words, you're staking $30,000 USD for a single service node.
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azy
nym is trying to be tor2.0
nymtech.net/#faq
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kijari[m]
Taking a look at their backers, it's extremely promising. I'm honestly not sure what will replace Tor but whatever it is, it's going to be a very long-winded transition. People don't change their privacy protocols overnight and it seems that many teams are trying to tackle this same issue.
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kitty_hut[m]
<kijari[m] "Taking a look at their backers, "> nym or lokinet?
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kijari[m]
Regarding the backers they have and the fact that it seems rather promising? Nym. It is worth noting that Loki Net has backers as well.
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kitty_hut[m]
Not really familiar with any of them, I have heard of binance but don't really care about investors in a sense lol
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kitty_hut[m]
I am curious how well both of them work as a tor replacement, or the such
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kijari[m]
I don't really care who the backers are. I'm a tech person, I just care about which gets the job done better. As of right now through what I can see, Loki Net is further along but I can be completely wrong on that as I haven't used either of them. I'm basing that assumption on the fact that Loki Net has rather good documentation for everything and can be used right now whereas Nym has rather incomplete documentation and I
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kijari[m]
think is on a testnet.
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kitty_hut[m]
Oh? I should look at the documentation of Loki Net, it seems like it would be fun to mess with.
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kitty_hut[m]
I am very curious on its speed relative to tor, vpns, ect. VPN speed is usually liveable, but tor is often a bit painful for most people.
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kitty_hut[m]
I am curious if it would be faster, slower, or about the same as tor.
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kijari[m]
It should be significantly faster because the network speed increases as more nodes become active which further distributes the load. It also supports ALL IP-based protocols, unlike Tor which exclusively uses TCP and has support for real-time voice communications. Loki Network is especially interesting because it isn't a browser. It can be used to route ALL internet traffic from any application through the network.
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fatchan
lokinet works, more average hops but doesnt seem slower than tor in my experience.
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kitty_hut[m]
<kijari[m] "It should be significantly faste"> I mean, tor isn't a browser, but its often marketed that way which is quite annoying
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fatchan
and yeah as kijari says, supports any protocol. but their claims of gaming or video chats are a bit of a stretch imo. too much latency
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kijari[m]
Note that I say it should be faster. I don't know where the speed is at currently as I haven't used it as of yet.
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kijari[m]
I'd imagine that as the network gains more nodes it would get faster but I don't know how well that scales either.
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kijari[m]
<kitty_hut[m] "I mean, tor isn't a browser, but"> I know Tor isn't a browser. It's just that it's generally the most common way that it's used at the moment. Orbot and similar applications exist but unfortunately there aren't any applications like that for desktops to my knowledge. If I'm wrong on that please do correct me as I'd love to take a look.
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kitty_hut[m]
yeah, there really needs to be a push for tor-like networks to have vpn-styled setups for less technically knowledgeable users
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kijari[m]
Sorry for being off topic for a moment but why are people posting random Monero memes about it being a scam project when the coin has proven to be extremely resilient when it comes to tracking transactions?
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asymptotically
because the spammer has a competing coin :)
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kitty_hut[m]
I am confused why they aren't getting banned, but, it appears to be a low level fud campaign imo
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kitty_hut[m]
they don't understand that the type of people that would visit this chat isn't the type of person to care about hype or who has dealt with a project. It's like telling a person considering joining nasa that some of the people that worked there used to be a nazi, non of them care.
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kijari[m]
Well, that explains it. Someone creating a "competing product". It's funny because most people that try that will just market it as "Imagine x but better" with no further details on how it works or how it's even improved or better.
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kijari[m]
Then proceed to never deliver on anything and abandon everything while walking away with the money they earned.
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kitty_hut[m]
lol yeah, thats why I don't like things meant to be an investment first, rather than a tool first.
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spacekitty420[m]
ooooooh, thought the competing coin lying dipshit from yesterday (discord) and the matrix spammer were 2 diff entities tho
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kijari[m]
I'm not sure. I just thought I'd ask about it because I found the entire thing to be rather off.
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selsta
kitty_hut[m]: it's not really possible to ban them, they use fresh accounts + ip addresses for every message
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kitty_hut[m]
ah
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spacekitty420[m]
i mean, both using the "breaking monero" series to be like "lolol monero broken" while thats a thought experiment made by the ones working on monero like... the fuck is wrong with these people lmao
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kijari[m]
Loki Network plans to implement voice calling into Session at some point which is promising. It's on the roadmap but it may take a bit as they have some other priorities to address first.
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selsta
we added some mitigations to other channels but not to #monero yet
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selsta
also on the matrix side it is possible to hide the spam if we had more mods
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kijari[m]
As long as the problem is being worked on and the admins are aware of the problem.
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kitty_hut[m]
ye, I wish them luck uwu
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kitty_hut[m]
yknow
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kitty_hut[m]
I am playing with nix, and the package manage can be a little bit weird sometimes, having nym but not loki lol
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kitty_hut[m]
Its very extensive with pretty much only a few obscure packages missing (I am used to the AUR), but the things it does are the strangest
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kitty_hut[m]
like
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kitty_hut[m]
why would it have nym and not loki?/
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kitty_hut[m]
* why would it have nym and not loki in the directory or whatever?
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kijari[m]
I just use Gentoo and let me tell you that the issues with Gentoo packages are interesting to say the least.
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kijari[m]
The amount of programs that should work but aren't in the repository so someone either has to create their own repository and add it manually or manually update it which is annoying either way.
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spacekitty420[m]
Gentoo, the fuck how much of a psychopath are u eh? :O
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kitty_hut[m]
I have been meaning to try out gentoo sometime, how is it?
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kijari[m]
Space, you're talking to someone that wants to start their own ISP just because they can. I like experimenting, even if it ends up being extremely poor for me in the end.
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asymptotically
kitty_hut[m]: it's the best :) everything just works. my favourite part is how you can safely mix and match stable and testing packages (so you're like your own debian backports team)
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kijari[m]
Gentoo is really good regarding speed. It's actually the fastest distribution to my knowledge because you can use ``USE`` flags. Basically, you tell the package manager which packages it should ignore completely (GNOME, KDE, Bluetooth, WiFi and so forth) as well as the hardware your PC specifically has which lets it build a package specifically tailored to your system. It sounds silly but those two factors combined can
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kijari[m]
speed up some parts of the experience a decent amount. It's going to be a smaller performance boost as you get newer hardware but it's still there.
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kitty_hut[m]
yeah, I imagine gentoo would work well on older hardware, but, ironically, given it sounds like most stuff is via compiling sounds like it would also be hell via older hardware
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kitty_hut[m]
afk
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asymptotically
kijari[m]: it's not really any faster. anything that can be meaningfully sped up based on shiny new cpu extensions (like aes-ni or vectorisation extensions) is already done so on other distros
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spacekitty420[m]
kijari: as someone that does everything in vms, would you recommend it for kvm stuff, gpu passthrough and all that stuff? like, performances-wise
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kijari[m]
Heads up if you try it and build packages for your specific CPU and other hardware: If you want to upgrade your system, you may be in for one hell of a ride. Changing the hardware with those flags is a complete pain so it's probably easiest to migrate by removing all ``USE`` flags regarding hardware, build the packages again, upgrade the system and then apply new ``USE`` flags. Honestly there's probably a better way but I'm
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kijari[m]
an idiot.
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kitty_hut[m]
blursed idea: nix but gentoo
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kitty_hut[m]
ok afk fr, ttyl 👋
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kijari[m]
<kitty_hut[m] "yeah, I imagine gentoo would wor"> Actually, Gentoo addresses that. If you have a raspberry pi for example, you can have all code compile on another system. It's quite nice to compile on a new PC for old hardware. Speeds everything up significantly.
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kijari[m]
<spacekitty420[m] "kijari: as someone that does eve"> I'm not sure. If you're doing it for the performance, it's probably not the most noticeable thing ever. If it's extremely old hardware then I would imagine that you may see a tiny increase but as Asymptotically said, other distributions have some of those optimizations already built-in. If you're debloating the kernel a lot then maybe a tiny boost but still not anything
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kijari[m]
too major. The main reason I prefer Gentoo is because I can remove stupid dependencies I have no use for. I use DWM and other suckless software so a program installing KDE or GNOME packages as well makes no sense whatsoever.
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asymptotically
kijari[m]: go crazy, build everything with crazy new graphite optimisations, -march=native and CPU_FLAGS_X86 to match your system. build a kernel and only the modules you use, run a benchmark and observe... it's basically the same as any other distro (with slightly lower memory usage)
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spacekitty420[m]
aight makes senses, tbh lately am just starting with a base ubuntu-server, if needing a gui just `sudo apt install xfce4` then stripping down the unnecessary by removing manually the snaps and all the things i dont need, like, its really fast to just spin up a new rig that way and no extra headache tryna figure whats up and whats what
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kijari[m]
I'd imagine that if there is a performance boost, it's 1% or under which is so minuscule it doesn't matter for anyone. That's if there is a performance boost. I just enjoy getting rid of all the packages I have no use for. Sudo is a big one. Just use Doas. It's a smaller program, far less bugs, and the same functionality if you only need root access. Sudo is still recommended for servers though.
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kijari[m]
* I'd imagine that if there is a performance boost, it's 1% or under which is so minuscule it doesn't matter for anyone. That's if there is a performance boost. I just enjoy getting rid of all the packages I have no use for. Sudo is a big one. Just use Doas. It's a smaller program, far less bugs, and the same functionality if you only need root access. Sudo is still recommended for servers though unless you use BSD.
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spacekitty420[m]
thats good info :)
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kijari[m]
If I recall correctly from going down that rabbit hole, sudo has some features that server owners may need, hence why it is recommended. I can't for the life of me remember what it was for specifically but it has extra features some people use/need.
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kijari[m]
Another reason I prefer Gentoo is because I can replace components of the system to easy. I can replace my init system with something completely custom if I wanted to and it wouldn't care. Other operating systems have it built-in to such a degree that it takes some serious effort to change or remove.
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spacekitty420[m]
was last year or so, there's been a security flaw with it that had to be patched asap but the counter argument that "who gives a fuck anyways" was more like that "anyone that has physical access to a linux rig owns the rig anyways"
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kijari[m]
Found the information I was looking for.
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kijari[m]
``Doas is much simpler and not configurable, and is generally good for single-user boxes. Sudo is for boxes where not every user is root . ... some people like to use sudo to build elaborate sysadmin infrastructures with highly refined sets of permissions and checks and balances.``
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spacekitty420[m]
right, exactly, read something similar when there was the security flaw with sudo which lots of arguments that physical access is root and linux overall is not really meant to be multi-user in a physical way per say or something like that
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kijari[m]
That information is slightly incorrect by the way, hence why I say reddit is never a reliable source. My searx instance used reddit for a definition/comparison for some reason without citing the source.
man.openbsd.org/doas.conf.5 has all of the options that doas can configure.
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spacekitty420[m]
haha i see, searx instance, prob running your own gitea instances too hehe :3
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kijari[m]
Git, searx, email and other programs/applications. Looking for a storage slab that is affordable to host a Dendrite homeserver as well but that's been proving to be difficult since companies rarely accept Monero.
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kijari[m]
Dendrite is going to replace Synapse in the future in case you are wondering, or rather live in harmony with it. It's in beta currently so it's not recommended over synapse as of yet. I just like helping with beta applications with bug reports.
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kijari[m]
I use njal.la for my domain registrar but nothing else for that exact reason.
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kijari[m]
Currently I'm hosting my VPS with cryptoho.st because they have so many plans for different use cases. I can setup a storage server through them rather easily but I'm seeing if cheaper options exist first. Main reason is because Dendrite doesn't have the admin API as of yet so there is no way to clear storage space by purging old data from your database. In other words, in due time it can use large amounts of disk space
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kijari[m]
with no way to currently clear that disk space due to the API not existing in Dendrite as of yet.
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kijari[m]
I'm also rather diligent with server locations as I want something outside of the 14 eyes, and if possible outside of the European Union. Just being outside of the 14 eyes alone seems to add a large premium for pricing.
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spacekitty420[m]
OH FUCK :O
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spacekitty420[m]
they are so affordable wtf :O
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spacekitty420[m]
like, so far been very happy with ovh for year long uptime and whatnot, scaleway (arm architecture) was decent too and heard some good about contabo to spin some nodes on the cheap
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spacekitty420[m]
tho, none were accepting crypto
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kijari[m]
The payment issue can be forgiven but I imagine that a few people have probably never noticed the missing storage space. The missing storage space made me a bit mad for a while but they fixed it quite quickly.
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asymptotically
contabo are pretty terrible. poor support, poor network, slow disk i/o on the vpses, oversold shared cores on the vpses too
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spacekitty420[m]
right, misspoke on the contabo, heard it was cheap but fren that got them used to complain a fair bit too, my bad x)
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kijari[m]
As of right now the only decent storage VPS I can find is through edis.at which is unfortunate because their "storage VPS" is just an OpenVZ VPS. On the other hand, it's located in Iceland which is outside of the 14 eyes and the European Union. It's just slightly cheaper than if I did it through cryptoho.st if I recall correctly as well.
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kijari[m]
But I seriously prefer having a KVM VPS instead of an OpenVZ VPS. OpenVZ is somewhat awkward.
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spacekitty420[m]
```6 GB HDD NVME```
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spacekitty420[m]
```€1/mo for 10 GB HDD extra```
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spacekitty420[m]
can you stack the offer for extra storage? like, lets say to run an xmr pruned node
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kijari[m]
If you want 100GB, they let you.
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spacekitty420[m]
oh fuck oki that's awesome
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kijari[m]
Maximum is 350GB of storage extra according to the checkout page.
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spacekitty420[m]
tho... thats hdd, not ssd so might still take a long while to sync up, 350gb is still enough for a btc full node too so thats great
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kijari[m]
Just make sure that when the VPS is up you instantly check the storage available with ``fdisk -l`` and make sure it matches what you're paying. If not, open a support ticket. That may have been a one time error but it's better to be sure.
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spacekitty420[m]
yup usually doing `df -Th` :P
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kijari[m]
Support is rather quick as well. Typically resolve issues within 1-2 days which isn't a deal breaker because support tickets are most common when you just purchased a VPS anyway.
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spacekitty420[m]
like, if have to manually had a swap file cause not enough ram to compile something or something something :P
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spacekitty420[m]
yup thats fair :)
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spacekitty420[m]
well fuck, thank you so much for those links and all the info, had completely given up on the idea to figure out vps through crypto so... yeah, thank you alot <3
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kijari[m]
Trust me, it took some serious digging to find.
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kijari[m]
Oh, and by the way, you can fill out completely fake information for your "Personal Information". They don't fact check anything and never use it again beyond support tickets. VPNs for signing up are completely allowed as well.
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kijari[m]
The service is dedicated to the journalists that lost their lives due to not being able to share finding anonymously. As long as you follow their Terms of Service which are extremely brief, they don't care.
cryptoho.st/clients/index.php?rp=/k…owledgebase/2/Terms-of-Service.html
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spacekitty420[m]
thats really amazing and very heartwarming to know there's still some of these services out there that fighting the good fight for individual freedom and all that good stuff <3
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spacekitty420[m]
as cheesy as it may sound, you just made my day :3
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kijari[m]
Oh, and because I mentioned edis.at earlier, upon looking at reviews I can't recommend them. Apparently their "looking glass" that shows server ping and network speeds isn't reflective of the actual service. Their control panel only has an on-off button with no other information, support is terrible, and apparently their actual service has the worst ping of any service some users have used with really terrible performance.
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kijari[m]
If that's the case as I'm seeing on the reviews on multiple sites, I'm avoiding them completely.
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kijari[m]
It's just awkward because there's some really good reviews and some that are extremely bad. It's really mixed.
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spacekitty420[m]
haha oki, got it bookmarked just in case but figured cryptoho.st would have been the go-to as am more used to kvm stuff overall but thanks for the headsup :)
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kijari[m]
Honestly, edis.at is only a few euros cheaper than getting the same storage from cryptoho.st and it's worth mentioning that cockbox.org is slightly cheaper if their HDD VPS (Romania) plans for 120GB and/or 240GB are in stock. Price difference rises as storage space gets bigger.
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kijari[m]
They are very rarely in stock on cockbox.org for those plans though so if you can't wait and need storage, I'd say cryptoho.st is the better way to go.
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spacekitty420[m]
"Cockbox — Yeah it's servers with cocks" 😹
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spacekitty420[m]
i ded x)
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Quotes
super ded
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hiddener
:D
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kijari[m]
I love the owner. He started the company and his first public announcement about it was "Hi, I'm the owner of cockbox.org and I don't know what I'm doing but I own and email service called cock.li where I also don't know what I'm doing but it has lots of users so I must be doing something right. If you want a reliable server that doesn't randomly crash or lose connection, don't buy my services. I don't know what I'm doing".
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kijari[m]
Not the exact words but very similar to what he said.
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spacekitty420[m]
haha yeah i like it already :P
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kijari[m]
Quoted from
news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12723061 because I can't get the formatting right.
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asymptotically
matrix was a mistake
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kijari[m]
I'm sorry asymptotically. I bursted in here at random today and now I'm ruining everything.
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DisBotXMR1
<SpaceKitty> oof, same LOL
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DisBotXMR1
<SpaceKitty> sowry asymptotically x)
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asymptotically
this is what good god fearing, red blooded people see
i.imgur.com/ustKjXb.png
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kijari[m]
Oh god. It's an abomination. I love it.
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DisBotXMR1
<SpaceKitty> and discord side:
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DisBotXMR1
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spacekitty420[m]
jfc, sowry x)
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kijari[m]
cock.li/help is just as good as cockbox.org but it's his email site.
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Snipa
IRC light mode is awful, how could you asymptotically?
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jonah_xd[m]
I think its the bot that gone poo poo
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kijari[m]
I'll stop using code blocks unless I need to so I can avoid creating massive abominations like that in the future.
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jonah_xd[m]
Matrix uses json formats
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asymptotically
jonah_xd[m]: the bridge turns multi-line messages into a paste link, and editing a matrix message causes it to be resent. it's working as intended - the intentions are just poor :P
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asymptotically
Snipa: i'm a mole and need big dark letters on a bright screen to see them :(
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Mochi101
omfg what is happening to this place?
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louipc
wat
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Snipa
Clearly, we're in the matrix, and it's taking over.
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kijari[m]
spacekitty420: If you thought cockbox was funny, read the domains he has available on cockli. It's a good laugh but some may not appreciate the domains he owns.
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jonah_xd[m]
Isn't there a character limit on m?
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Snipa
Probally, but it's also probally longer than IRC's.
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louipc
not that i know of
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louipc
you can paste full essays
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Snipa
IRC has extremely short character limits per-message.
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kijari[m]
Maybe they took the old school discord approach. Don't show a character limit but secretly have one in the backend where nobody can see it. Then super long messages get cut off at random because why not?
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louipc
and when you change one word in the essay it reposts the whole thing on IRC
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louipc
whether matrix is a mistake or not is debatable, but the undeniable fact is that matrix-IRC bridge is a mistake
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louipc
i think that applies to basically all bridges
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thegunner
why? I think it's an interesting project
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kijari[m]
I think that the owner of the two sites knows how to advertise. Look at this masterpiece.
cock.li/img/cockbox.png
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spacekitty420[m]
well... maybe irc is the mistake tbh
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spacekitty420[m]
been telling yall for years that irc for hipster boomers
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spacekitty420[m]
it leaks your ip address to the whole chat too, like wtf, who does that?
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Snipa
Badly configured IRCD's mostly.
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kijari[m]
I used IRC for a while. Then IRC required me to make an account and I left in an instant.
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jonah_xd[m]
The fed does that
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thegunner
I'm a zoomer and use IRC, it's so lightweight
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Snipa
Setup bouncer, don't care after that. Not like you have to use real registration information.
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thegunner
spacekitty420[m], you just need to set a vhost or a bouncer
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Snipa
Or both. :)
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jonah_xd[m]
Funny thing freenode doesn't allow tor IPs to register
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Snipa
That's because tor-sasl is a thing.
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Snipa
So you have to register off tor, then sasl auth on your way in over tor, most likely due to abuse.
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jonah_xd[m]
You need to register as normal before using tor sasl
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jonah_xd[m]
According to this one document i found
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louipc
yea
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asymptotically
they are working on a proof of work system to allow tor users to register (soonTM)
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kijari[m]
I'll just stick to matrix. Then I don't hurt my eyes reading poorly formatted messages.
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spacekitty420[m]
<thegunner "spacekitty420, you just need to "> still, thats the whole debate "privacy by default, not on 2nd layer" like... you know, the whole btc - xmr debate thingy..
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louipc
maybe u can just register via matrix via tor
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louipc
loophole
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jonah_xd[m]
<asymptotically "they are working on a proof of w"> Id rather wait for half life 3 to be released
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louipc
kijari[m]: yes you just hurt everyone elses eyes on IRC with your poorly formatted matrix-irc bridge messages :p
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jonah_xd[m]
Can you do markdown on irc ?
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kijari[m]
The only thing I did was add a basic code block.
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louipc
it could be done better, but that would require limiting matrix functionality in bridged rooms
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kijari[m]
Then I tried fixing my stupid formatting like 5 times.
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thegunner
the beauty of irc is its simplicity and the fact that clients are so lightweight they run on everything
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asymptotically
jonah_xd[m]: no. but there are poorly standardised things for basic formatting like colours and bold
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spacekitty420[m]
<kijari[m] "Then I tried fixing my stupid fo"> we both did at same time yeah x)
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Snipa
Technically, you could do markdown on IRC, but most clients won't support it.
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louipc
no code blocks, no editing, no 'pasted long message' for one word replies
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ern
Aah, monero is at 420!
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kijari[m]
Yeah, I'm a complete degenerate. Sorry, I tend to forget bridges exist on an extremely frequent basis. I'll do my best to not create monstrosities like I did earlier.
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jonah_xd[m]
<asymptotically "jonah_xd: no. but there are poor"> What about ~~remove~~ and __underline__
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jonah_xd[m]
This i fucked them up
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jonah_xd[m]
* Shit i fucked them up
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asymptotically
you can underline, i don't think there's a strikethrough
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jonah_xd[m]
Neither here
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jonah_xd[m]
Lemme look at markdown doc
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louipc
kijari[m]: dont hate the player. hate the game :p
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kijari[m]
<spacekitty420[m] "as cheesy as it may sound, you j"> Anyway, I'm glad I could help in some way. Finding Monero services is extremely difficult and I'm just happy I found one that's affordable.
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louipc
I say keep doing it. then they are forced to fix it ;)
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spacekitty420[m]
<3
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kijari[m]
I actually came across them through
getmonero.org/community/merchants/#hosting and they were one of the only hosting providers that had the features I needed. Mainly an open port 25 so I can setup the necessary evil that is email.
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kijari[m]
That and I have a tendency to sometimes use 40TB and beyond in bandwidth and they have an unlimited bandwidth.
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spacekitty420[m]
oh right! i been checking on the merchants page yesterday but might have missed on the vps section, like, saw the store that do sell some ryzen cpus like 3900, 3900x and such but tbh, just wish they would add threadrippers like some bigger ones
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spacekitty420[m]
they have like.. electric bikes up to $3k so guessing they could sell some cpu for few thousands as well
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spacekitty420[m]
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kijari[m]
I checked out coincards.com (may have the wrong link here, I can never remember it) as well and it seems rather promising. Spend crypto, get a gift card you can use almost anywhere you want.
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kijari[m]
Downside is that it's only in Canada and the USA at the moment but there are similar companies in business as well.
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spacekitty420[m]
dang, yup and then europe will be UK only apparently
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spacekitty420[m]
thats a great idea tho, like, amazong gift cards through crypto and whatnot
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spacekitty420[m]
oh! thats what happened with mullvad too recently, since they werent adding an xmr node, those guys bought a fuck load of vouchers and selling them for xmr instead
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spacekitty420[m]
now they an official reseller for mullvad straight up on the website too
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kijari[m]
Honestly, good for those companies for finding ways to make massive amounts of cryptocurrency.
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spacekitty420[m]
haha yeah :P
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kijari[m]
Unfortunately every country seems to want to tax cryptocurrency income but still.
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spacekitty420[m]
tho.... am really fucking worried about the cryptospace as a whole with things like binance, they getting such a massive share of the market and all those exchanges faking volumes and whatnot, they have way too much power to manipulate the whole cryptomarket
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asymptotically
why should they not tax it? :P
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spacekitty420[m]
haha yeah, you buy 500 bucks of crypto, paying that coinbase conversion fee and whatnot, the crypto does a +4%, you selling it back to fiat and end up with half of it..... thats just so dumb tbh
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spacekitty420[m]
then turkey straight up banning the use of crypto to purchase goods and services... :derp:
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kijari[m]
The only country I know of that doesn't regulate cryptocurrencies at all currently is Iceland. If you want you can read through
icelandreview.com/business/cryptocu…-by-financial-supervisory-authority which goes through it a bit more. The last paragraph is the main relevant information though.
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spacekitty420[m]
uh, now only gotta find a landlord in iceland that would accept rent in xmr eh :P
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kijari[m]
The only information I can find behind the legality is that Iceland banned cryptocurrency completely and said Bitcoin was illegal. Then they said "Screw it, it's impossible to regulate this. Open it up!" and said cryptocurrency is completely legal but not seen as an equivalent to money. They seem to have a tax on Bitcoin and they are debating whether or not they should tax companies within Iceland that mine
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kijari[m]
cryptocurrencies.
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spacekitty420[m]
aw
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spacekitty420[m]
yeah so its still up for changes then
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kijari[m]
To add to taxing mining operations, their considerations are as follows. "Reportedly, members of Parliament are considering adopting legislation that would tax companies that mine cryptocurrencies in Iceland, based on their usage of natural resources (electricity)."
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kijari[m]
If that's correct then it wouldn't be based off of a cryptocurrency value but rather the amount of electricity being consumed to mine.
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kijari[m]
Loop hole in the future: Can't tax my electricity if I'm staking my coins on a raspberry pi or online staking pools that don't require my devices to be on!
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spacekitty420[m]
right but then that would also be fucked if they tax even if u off-grid on solar and whatnot...
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spacekitty420[m]
for me at least thats the goal long-term even if it might be at a loss cause the whole solar installation initial cost, 3990x threadrippers instead of 3900x, in few years would wanna be able to set that up all off-grid on solar with that starlink thingy for internet and all that
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kijari[m]
Keep in mind that researching laws online is not a very good way to research laws. Especially if you aren't a lawyer (and I'm not).
iclg.com/practice-areas/fintech-laws-and-regulations/iceland section 3.2 goes over their stance from 2020.
loc.gov/law/help/cryptocurrency/world-survey.php#iceland was what I was quoting earlier which was a study from 2018, so things do change over time.
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spacekitty420[m]
uwu
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kijari[m]
Honestly, I don't mine very much cryptocurrency. As long as it pays for my servers, I don't care. Sometimes if I have no need for my desktop I let it run for a few days and convert it to other currencies such as TRX so I can stake it long-term.
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kijari[m]
<spacekitty420[m] "image.png"> Honestly, relatable.
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kijari[m]
Oh god why does Element quote the entire image?
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spacekitty420[m]
haha yeah and all zoomed and whatnot x)
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kijari[m]
I wonder how hard it would be to create my own sovereign state that doesn't tax cryptocurrencies at all 🤔
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spacekitty420[m]
and same, not mining that much lately either, summer temps be around the corner too so... mostly just chillin tbh
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spacekitty420[m]
so... there's that dude that was alone on his island and declared independence so now he's his own country by himself or something
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kijari[m]
If you become your own country, your currency better be the Euro or something. If it's your own then you're completely screwed.
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spacekitty420[m]
gotta have like a flag, an official currency, an official government and official language and thats about it i think
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spacekitty420[m]
well, might as well just adopt monero as main currency tbh
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spacekitty420[m]
government could be AI governed o.o
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spacekitty420[m]
language, esperanto
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spacekitty420[m]
yup, bascially haha :P
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spacekitty420[m]
still, you'll have to deal with foreign threats and whatnot that be so jelly cause u a happy mofo and they want everyone to be as miserable as they are
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kijari[m]
That just sounds like a complete dumpster fire. It's possible to easily destroy everything extremely quickly.
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kijari[m]
Imagine making the official currency something like XMR and one day it's $100, then 3 weeks later it's $500. It would be a nightmare.
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spacekitty420[m]
but thats the $ fluctuating, not monero
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kijari[m]
Not to mention the fact that obtaining enough cryptocurrency to support yourself would prove difficult. Especially because you'd need a food source and whatnot.
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kijari[m]
Very true! I've thought about that a lot actually.
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spacekitty420[m]
like, the earth rotating around the sun but if in you were locating on the sun you would think its the earth that rotate
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spacekitty420[m]
well, is the same :D
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kijari[m]
Imagine a world where we can spend 0.2 XMR and it's just seen as equal from all views because the monetary value isn't attached.
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kijari[m]
Honestly, I think the reason countries are regulating cryptocurrency is because so many people see them as stocks. I see them as a technology to build the future. DAPPs, Web 3.0, entirely new methods of doing everything. TRX isn't a stock, it's a platform to build upon.
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spacekitty420[m]
thats what i been saying yesterday about the bisq fork (haveno), it'll change mentality to think in monero prices instead of bitcoin prices, like for newcomers they already taking a long while before adopting the "this thing is that many satoshis" instead of "that many usd", so that new dex will be awesome on that aspect to change our perception about seeing prices straight up from the monero perspective instead
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kijari[m]
Cryptocurrency has two main issues at the moment. What I mentioned above and the fact that they consume ludicrous amounts of electricity to mine. In due time I think we'll start seeing cryptocurrencies move towards proof of stake or some variant of it to prevent manipulation of the network. It would reduce e-waste and electricity usage but it creates a new issue: rich people being able to buy $1 billion of something and own
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kijari[m]
a majority.
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kijari[m]
That and cryptocurrencies are basically forced to have a method to obtain them before proof of stake gets implemented.
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spacekitty420[m]
its all based on capitalism, the whole space, even the ones that are made with a governance mechanism (the more people on the network, the block reward scales accordingly so that it stays equal no matter the nethash at any point in time) but even then, its still based on capitalism, its literally impossible to develop a cryptocurrency that is not based on that model, like, "never say never" but thats soemthing that
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spacekitty420[m]
literally just cant be made
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kijari[m]
Unfortunately not. It would be nice though. I can dream.
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spacekitty420[m]
also, currently the bitcoin network is still consuming just a fraction so smol of the current banking system
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kijari[m]
I don't know how normies are still saying Bitcoin will boom. There's almost no reason to choose Bitcoin over any other cryptocurrency other than the argument that "It was first", which kind of disproves itself because the first of something is often the worst implementation of it.
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spacekitty420[m]
atm's at every corner, data centers redundancy and all that from the banks still using way more electricity
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spacekitty420[m]
yeah..... bitcoin is just not usable at all tbh
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spacekitty420[m]
but, maxis gonna maxis being all like 2nd layer are the solutions
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kijari[m]
I remember I bought a tiny amount at one point, saw the massive fees, and it instantly got converted to Monero.
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kijari[m]
That was back when I was a clueless individual regarding cryptocurrencies though. I learned rather quickly.
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spacekitty420[m]
that 7tx per second is not an issue compared to 50k tx per second from visa/mastercards cause no-one will be making actual transactions on the base layer, it'll all be through LN and all that... :derp: they really crazy in the head tbh
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charolastra
kijari[m]: you're arguing technicals. after what's going on with doge, it should be obvious that such details don't matter
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kijari[m]
Solana over here being able to do 75,000 transactions per second on the test net which has the same code as main net.
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spacekitty420[m]
right, dynamic blocksize on monero is just the way to go tbh, cheaper fees the more its being used
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spacekitty420[m]
and monero technically the theoretical limit can always increase with faster read/write speeds and bandwidth which, all of that can be scaled
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spacekitty420[m]
could be in the hundred of thousands to even more even to this day if there was the adoption for it
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spacekitty420[m]
the tech is already there
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kijari[m]
Monero has low fees. The only issue with real-world use cases would be the transaction times. Online that doesn't matter but in person it would be awful. I know it is still the best privacy-respecting crptocurrency at the moment which is why I have so much respect for it.
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kijari[m]
Or rather, the confirmation times*
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spacekitty420[m]
tail emission and cheaper fees instead of btc no more block reward and increased fees (tho, they taking them offchain so... no incentive to mine at all so... network wont be as secured)
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spacekitty420[m]
so, yeah for transaction time at the coffee machine or in store, there's those cashapps and whatnot that does tx offchain so its instantly
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kijari[m]
Yay! Another user to ignore so I never see them again!
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kijari[m]
Honestly, I think I'll always prefer cash in person and cryptocurrency online. Cryptocurrency transactions in person are annoying because of the fact that they must support it, you must have an app or something. It's all a giant mess right now.
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kijari[m]
Maybe what I said will change as it matures for another decade or two.
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hyc
that' just early days
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hyc
just like early days for googlepay / applepay apps etc
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charolastra
omg, you need an app!
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spacekitty420[m]
at our school we had those magnetic cards with the school currency in it, could refill it with cash so like, depositing 10 bucks in it and then purchasing food through it, was instant, its not an issue to like, preemptively depositing 10 bucks of xmr on the company/school thingy to do an instant coffee purchase and then take them back on an actual private key
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hyc
those are still centralized systems.
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hyc
but it might still be a decent solution for special scenarios like that
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hyc
deposit some funds into their escrow, use freely within their system
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spacekitty420[m]
its how subscription based services are working too, like, nja.la vps for example, refilling your account before it runs out and it does withdraw automatically, it doesnt have to be "on-chain"
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spacekitty420[m]
the tipbots are also "off-chain" for the most part for example
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kijari[m]
I love cryptocurrencies but they have a long way to go. At least we can buy some services online with them at the moment. It's a pretty good proof of concept thus far. I mean, even Twitch is allowing people to buy subscriptions and bits with cryptocurrencies. It's slow adoption but it'll speed up in due time as the technology matures.
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spacekitty420[m]
so yeah its centralized systems but the supermarket store is a centralized store so they could just have their magnetic card on which you could refill with xmr too for example and it'll be taken off-chain until you decide to withdraw back to a private key
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spacekitty420[m]
which would allow instant transaction since it would be already on their system and the transactions being off-chains
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kijari[m]
I wonder how successful a VPS provider would be if their prices were in cryptocurrencies, not a country's currency. Imagine a VPS where they say "This plan is 0.005 XMR per month" without it changing. I wonder if it would work out in the end and if it would prove to be a good or decent proof of concept.
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spacekitty420[m]
i mean, nethash increasing still so would still have to adapt it overtime since 0.005 xmr would still technically be worth more overtime
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spacekitty420[m]
fiat prices changes all the time too with inflation
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spacekitty420[m]
like, house in the 1930s was maybe just a few thousands while now it would be hundreds of thousands
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kijari[m]
I suppose, but I suppose I was more so referring to a product's pricing being seen as an amount of a cryptocurrency rather than a fiat value.
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kijari[m]
I worded it rather poorly and the idea of a static value would likely be an extremely bad idea.
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kijari[m]
* I suppose I was more so referring to a product's pricing being seen as an amount of a cryptocurrency rather than a fiat value.
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kijari[m]
My brain has officially stopped working. I'm starting to put doubles in my messages.
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spacekitty420[m]
nono you're right, is just that fiat value taking more time to change since its already established with trillions and trillions already printed thats a massive market while a smol market cap crypto currency it takes just a little to make it go time X, if a cryptocurrency market was already at that trillions and trillions in value, it would be more stable already cause more funds would be required to make the price
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spacekitty420[m]
change that quickly
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kijari[m]
Since you're a NixOS user, I thought I'd share it here for you in case you're interested. It's from Synapse Admins .
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kijari[m]
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kijari[m]
Hold on, I'm too dumb to figure out message sharing.
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kijari[m]
<king_crimson[m] "Can someone explain what an iden"> I might be wrong about this: As far as I know, it is a server that maps arbitrary IDs (e-mail addresses, phone numbers, ...) to matrix IDs. It's supposed to help you find contacts.
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kijari[m]
It's posted by Simon in #synapse:matrix.org
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spacekitty420[m]
not sure in which context would need to use synapse but joined :)
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spacekitty420[m]
am legit barely doing any techy stuff lately tbh
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kijari[m]
Just figured you may potentially self-host a matrix server at some point. Low chance but worth bringing up since you seem to like using NixOS and to my knowledge it's annoying to setup on that Linux distribution.
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spacekitty420[m]
am basic bitch tbh, mostly just doing the discord stuff, just joined on matrix like few days ago to check on haveno, tho, yeah been hearing great about matrix for awhile and glad finally checked it out
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spacekitty420[m]
there was keybase that was fine too but it wasnt really scaling with big groups, like, just soooo slow, then it got bought by zoom so was like "eh, fuck that"
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kijari[m]
Fair enough. I'm going to probably head off for now. I want to work on my keyboard a bit more so I can finally finish this keyboard build because I keep putting it off. Nice meeting you!
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spacekitty420[m]
likewise, cheers! :)
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bobbieweirder[m]
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bobbieweirder[m]
Monero use case!
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spacekitty420[m]
o.o
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bobbieweirder[m]
the restaurant is La Sirene in Soho
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hyc
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hyc
they take Amex - how pricy are they?
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gcecqyrupb
Will you HODL XMR or dump it for Tari when it comes out? Will others?
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charolastra
yes
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TheFireSwamp
fluffypony: Is it at all annoying how people drop in just to talk shit about you and dip? I think personally it would have an empact on me. You should collect data on the trolls I bet it's a couple of people
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asymptotically
TheFireSwamp: i would guess he has more important things to care about :D
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Mochi101
Polishing watches.
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entry1
<Mochi101 "Polishing watches."> That are 700k
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Nihil[m]
why would I care about reddit shit? retard
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jj1013[m]
<zgavuhjgp[m] "b995.jpg"> Is this still going on?
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jj1013[m]
<gcecqyrupb "Will you HODL XMR or dump it for"> Two in a row! Hah hah... I give up talking about these spammers.
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modul8[m]
proof of monero...then nobody will say bad things
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jj1013[m]
<modul8[m] "proof of monero...then nobody wi"> Sorry? What do you mean by that?
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modul8[m]
re: chat spam. isntead of captach prove you have monero. i was joking.
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jj1013[m]
<modul8[m] "re: chat spam. isntead of captac"> No, that's a bad idea. It's not funny either.
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DJPizza
hellop
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DJPizza
how can I help node-cryptonote-pool?
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DJPizza
sorry how can i get help?
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modul8[m]
funny is subjective
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DJPizza
'=(
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jj1013[m]
<DJPizza "how can I help node-cryptonote-p"> It's best to mine solo if you want to help the network.
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asymptotically
jj1013[m]: he's probably trying to set up a pool
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jj1013[m]
<asymptotically "jj1013.: he's probably trying to"> Oops.
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utxobr[m]
where's that sick monero flag?
youtube.com/watch?v=Y-f7VHAVsu4
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ern
.faucet
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Wallet
ern: How many characters in sand
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ern
4
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Wallet
ern: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000009 XMR to ern [af2de890] Wait ≈23 hrs 59 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01694574
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louipc
steampunk cypherpunk
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botcoinnotbot[m]
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xesexqoit
What kind of person steals from their own community?
removeddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6d…ds_to_give_up_his_commit_access_and (changed link to removeddit since /r/monero mod removed to try to cover it up - maybe fluffy himself?)
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spirobel[m]
<ilivtnuopq[m] "b994.jpg"> fucking amazing!
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spirobel[m]
<xesexqoit "What kind of person steals from "> i think stealing from number go up leeches is okay chill bro
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nioc
spirobel[m]: enjoy talking to the spam bots
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asymptotically
nioc: probably someone trying to come up with more quotes to put in the later memes :P like the guy that said something about nasa and nazis
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jj1013[m]
<xesexqoit "What kind of person steals from "> maybe it's fucking spam? :OOOOOOOO
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nioc
asymptotically: and somehow rehrar yesterday said that he thinks this channel wants the spam
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rehrar
Shall we add monero-guard here nioc?
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nioc
i m nobody
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nioc
who makes those decisions ?
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bobbieweirder[m]
<hyc "they take Amex - how pricy are t"> i was actually very confused about them taking AmEx over visa and master. not as many people have AmEx so my guess is it might just be a way to force their patrons to either use cash or crypto (or checks, which- forget it lol)
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nioc
some restaurants don't like to take amex as their fees to merchants are higher than mc/visa
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selsta
we cab also add monero-guard here but people usually join here to ask questions and with monero-guard it is possible that they don't get voiced immediately
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selsta
can*
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bobbieweirder[m]
hyc nioc visa and master are supposed to be 1.5-2.5% and AmEx is 2.5-3.5%
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anon_82641[m]
Keep the fud, memes I think they're funny personally
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apotheon
I miss moneromooo.
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raecarruth
apotheon: why?
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apotheon
Why not?
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raecarruth
were you datin?
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apotheon
For one thing, moneromooo was very helpful with technical stuff.
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raecarruth
:)
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apotheon
nope
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apotheon
bobbieweirder[m]: I seem to recall that AmEx also has annual fees and a very poor track record for security.
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apotheon
. . . like the ability to log into the website with a four-digit pin.
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apotheon
(I don't know whether that's still the case, re: PIN.)
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apotheon
s/pin/PIN/
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nioc
some amex cards don't have annual fees and as far as logging in by pin, I don't think so, un and pw like everywhere else
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ixsxlawuj
Dear fireice_uk. I must strongly object to you reporting our great Monro community members to Freenode for racism AND getting people K-lined as a result! i.imgur.com/R0T9GGY.png THEY ARE NOT NEO-NAZI!!! THEY ARE JUST SAYING NEO-NAZI THINGS!! i.imgur.com/JYu44As.png I know this because they have been nice to me and made me their Magical Crypto Friend! If you don't cease immediately I shall throw another tantrum!
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ixsxlawuj
Monero Community Member PS. You are interrupting my session of masturbation to The Man in the High Castle.
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bobbieweirder[m]
apotheon: yeah it’s weird. that’s why the only explanation i got is they probably didn’t get a lot of AmEx payments anyway and actually was just pushing people towards crypto while still being able to say they accept credit cards 🤷🏽♂️
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bobbieweirder[m]
nioc: do you not see my messages in Monero Markets? you mentioned something about matrix not irc last night i was trying to figure out what that meant
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asymptotically
bobbieweirder[m]: #monero-markets requires people be registered and authenticated with nickserv before they can chat
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nioc
bobbieweirder[m]: no I only saw people quoting you
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bobbieweirder[m]
asymptotically: i’m such a noob. how come some people can quote me and respond? is that just the nickserve bot thing that i have to do?
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asymptotically
matrix people can see your messages. just not people on the irc side
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mfoolb
in doubt I usually don't write
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bobbieweirder[m]
asymptotically: thanks thats good to know. i thought everything was bridged. amateur hour! i’ll figure out nickserv
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asymptotically
bobbieweirder[m]:
git.io/J3CM3
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jj1013[m]
<ixsxlawuj "Dear fireice_uk. I must strongly"> Check this out, these idiots are most likely going to post a Monero ad with an image of a seance. This gets more stupid every time they post.
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bobbieweirder[m]
asymptotically: thank you sir
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jj1013[m]
Are there people who just won't use self-hosted wallets?
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jj1013[m]
On the Monero community?
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Mochi101
there are
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fluffypony
tons of people
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fluffypony
like the vast majority
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msvb-lab
There is a village (at Defcon 29) meeting in channel #monero-events in about fifteen minutes.
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botcoinnotbot[m]
are 32 characters (converted to hex) the most you can store in tx_extra?
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raecarruth
msvb-lab: is there a link to the event?
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raecarruth
there's nothing in monero events
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msvb-lab
raecarruth: Yes,
defcon.org
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msvb-lab
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raecarruth
merci
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msvb-lab
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msvb-lab
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msvb-lab
Do you want more links?
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mmxxx[m]
sure, send more links
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mmxxx[m]
where's the jitsi link?
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g[m]
LOL
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DJPizzas
We dig, but friends, the balance of the wallet to which the pool is connected does not increase. What is the problem?
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sech1
keep digging
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sech1
pool finds a block, then wait ~2 hours, then your balance increases
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spacekitty420[m]
unless pool has a minimum payout to which it could take longer to reach that minimum amount, if pool has a dashboard you should be able to have some more info from there
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DJPizzas
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DJPizzas
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DJPizzas
my pool
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spacekitty420[m]
oh well there is your problem, pool just havent found a block yet as the estimated time is 4 weeks according to the calc on page with 120 Kh/s
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kmzjinhgnkj
Word of guys running Monero community should be BELIEVED. Why would anyone that stole money and laughed at the losers that took the bait ever have a reason to lie to you?
removeddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6d…ds_to_give_up_his_commit_access_and (changed link to removeddit since /r/monero mod removed to try to cover it up - maybe fluffy himself?)
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spacekitty420[m]
you could switch to a bigger pool that find blocks at least every day or if staying on that one it'll just take a bit longer like maybe few weeks before finding anything
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jj1013[m]
<DJPizzas "
prnt.sc/12d6khf"> Nice.
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botcoinnotbot[m]
DJPizzas: print.sc is a wild website, if you change the letters after the / you see all sorts of shit lol
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botcoinnotbot[m]
literally all screenshots uploaded to that website are visible to anyone
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diso
exit
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diso
quit
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spacekitty420[m]
uh XD
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spacekitty420[m]
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spacekitty420[m]
some wild password eh x)
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spacekitty420[m]
oh damn and they historically or something so like... damn :O
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botcoinnotbot[m]
yeah thats a scammer, scammers know that all people scrape those websites looking for data so they intentionally upload logins to fake exchanges
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spacekitty420[m]
oooooh okies
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botcoinnotbot[m]
prnt.sc/12d6i82 i read somewhere on reddit that these fake exchanges ask for a deposit before withdrawals
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botcoinnotbot[m]
basically send crypto to x address to get these login details you think you found online
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botcoinnotbot[m]
if you check the addresses the fake exchanges give a lot of people are falling for it lol
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spacekitty420[m]
oh right right, been having some spam dm couple years ago doing exactly that like "cant access my coins, can u log to that exchange for me, here's the logins" type of thing
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hardcod3d[m]
if you scrape prntscr for screenshot and do OCR on them.you will find ton of fake exchanges like this.same email same password
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hardcod3d[m]
shotlooter is awesome tool for that
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bxjurjgvdjmz
“I thought, ‘I’m going to pump it and dump it,’ because I was interested and taking the ideas and implementing them in bitcoin. The bitcoin code base was far more interesting to me than monero, and I thought, ‘I’m not going to work on this codebase, it’s terrible,'” he recalls - fluffypony in an interview about Monero
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nioc
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botcoinnotbot[m]
nioc: probably the 200x fee in the gui
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botcoinnotbot[m]
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botcoinnotbot[m]
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nioc
the one I linked looks like ~1840x fee vs a normal one
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botcoinnotbot[m]
PSA dark.fail has been hijacked for the last day or so
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botcoinnotbot[m]
links have been replaced with phishing ones
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ndorf
ah. that explains why their nitter instance is down
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jonah_xd[m]
Can the exchange track what i do with that nero ?
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kitty_hut[m]
yo im back
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louipc
good