So where is a legit exchange that does business in BTC and monero?

Seems hard to discern what legitimacy is when firefox warns me that monero.org isn't ssl secured and that it is trying to mine crypto

never mind it was a look alike

actually weirder monero.org is but monero.org/services/echange isn't odd

getmonero.org is the correct monero site

kraken is legit and offers monero and ofc btc

michaelmrose: ^^

Yo.

Does anyone see me?

si

Is triptych zero-knowledge proof system?

"Triptych uses a zero-knowledge proving system to construct a particular type of linkable ring signature that can be used in confidential transaction protocols."

that's from getmonero.org/2020/08/22/triptych.html

I read it.

so it says that tryptich uses a zero-knowledge proving system. it doesn't say that it is one

How is triptych's zero knowledge proof different from zero-knowledge proof shielded transactions on ZCash and Firo?

Would monero benefit by adopting trustless zero-knowledge-proof shielded transaction pool of ZCash(Halo 2)?

i don't know, personally. halo2 isn't implented yet i think. they don't even know if they can get it to perform satisfactorily anyway

To me, trustless zero-knowledge-proof shielded transaction pool looks more private than ring signature.

How stupid of an idea is it to create a wallet on an offline computer, and save the recovery key on multiple USB drives (Encrypted)?

I'm paranoid about losing a single one, and worried about driver failure

not that bad of an idea... I mean you could be buying Bitcoin through PPbux

hahah

tokineko[m], i'm not one of the math wizes here so i can't help you but i feel strongly that the zec guys often fud about monero. for instance one of their guys gave a slideshow about the weaknesses of ring signatures but he implied that the decoys are chosen at random (they're not) and that the types of attacks he mentioned weren't mitigated (they are).

i guess eventually the monero devels will think of ways to increase the anonyminity set to infinity but in the meantime monero is working well

It's possible for neural net AIs to see through ring signatures of large sizes if my spending habits are analyzable.

@h201

tokineko[m], the selection algorithm is supposed to mitigate against that kind of attack

h2017_: shielded transaction pool's anonymity set increases with each transaction.

This is as close to infinity as you get.

tokineko[m], yes i know

but in reality it has no practical advantage when monero is working

Monero should migrate from ring signatures to one shielded transaction pool.

note that seth simmons did a performance comparison with zcash and monero wins in every category

so let's not kill the goose that lays the golden egg by opting for theoretical perfection in one specific category

Ring signature will eventually succumb to blockchain analysis by neural-net AIs.

tokineko[m], that's something that would have to be proven empirically

It is already susceptible in some edge cases...

If I receive coins from A and send the received outputs to B many times a day and A and B share information, the transaction outputs are susceptible to timing analysis.

How can we be sure that the Ledger is safe? It's not opensource right?

I mean they couldn't keep their website secure lmao

i wouldn't trust them

Trust offline signing machine.

from zcash "And by the way, I think we can successfully make Zcash too traceable for criminals like WannaCry, but still completely private & fungible."

ZCash and ZCoin were created by Johns Hopkins university and Isreal which have deep connections with the central banking system. Pirate Chain takes technology from them and doesn't co-operate with the banking system.

u r u hear

*y r u hear

time for me to dream of electric sheep

gn

ZCash and ZCoin want to co-operate with the banks. Pirate Chain doesn't.

I guess I will move to monero forum....

People say things like make a wallet and keep it off the internet. Okay, but what happens when the drive fails??

So, at the end of the day, you still need to manage the recovery key

new windows client is very nice :)

Hello. Is luigi1111 in this chat?

idk

> People say things like make a wallet and keep it off the internet. Okay, but what happens when the drive fails??

I often wonder why more people dont just spend a little time to properly memorize their seed phrase, even if just as an additional backup. refresh it in your memory regularly so you dont forget it. Its crazy when you hear these stories about people losing their millions worth of crypto because it was on a compromised device, and they dont have the seed memorized. you think it'd be a tiny amount of effort when compared to the

amounts of money they're dealing with.

um. There are two distinct issues here. One is a compromised device where someone else actually steals your crypto, the other issue is that you lose access to it by losing your private key

ah, i rather meant misplaced or destroyed. i recognize that knowing your seed phrase isnt going to help you keep control of your coins if someone gets into your wallet.

i suppose unless you manage to beat them to transferring the coins to another wallet

What is Tari?

Monero inflation bug? boards.4channel.org/biz/thread/26234830

Ah yes, another 4chan fud thread by ~investors~ speculators crying for their moon lambos. I swear, not even babies are this needy

* Ah yes, another 4chan fud thread by ~~investors~~ speculators crying for their moon lambos. I swear, not even babies are this needy

ahah endor00 true

early signs of vuvvle poping I guess

if there are fuds already

love and anarchy brothers

and sisters

anarchia = ana + archia (ancient greek)

meaning agaisnt power structures

for the unentended, not agaisnt gvornment of democratic organizations

of=or

hi, a question with perhaps an obvious answer: what, if any, are the privacy disadvantages of using a remote node you don't own with your monero wallet?

they'll know when you send transactions and from what IP address

they can also trick you into thinking that you received some XMR while in reality you didn't

so half of that could be mitigated using something like tor

ah, because they have jurisdiction over the copy of the blockchain you're using

fair enough

And a lot more attack surface. This interface was not meant to be untrusted.

CLI wallet even has a special command line flag to mark remote node as "trusted"

It's basically like when you want to keep your privacy bit you pick some random person on the street and tell them ehat you want kept private.

It's just... dumb.,

Pixy: TOR has its loopholes as well

Sure, chances are it'll stay mostly private in practice, but it's just russian roulette.

you should never assume something is 100 bublerwraped

If you use tor to connect to one, it becomes mostly safe from the wallet side.

You can get DoSed of course, but privacy's mostly maintained.

but then the issue of fake blocks is of course still there

There are ways to code around some of this, but it seems pointless to spend time and effort when the better answer is "don't do it then".,

reasonable

what about hosting a monero node on a server that is tied to your personal identity, and being one of a handful of people to use it?

is there any way your interactions with such a node yield more attack surface?

If it's your server, you can just enforce SSL and whitelist fingerprints.

Of course if that server is a "cloud" server, then root can monkey with it, technically.

Or whoever runs the hypervisor.

yeah, the server i'm thinking about is one i have hardware and root access to

That's way more unlikely though.

Then it boils down to who can break SSL.

i'm just going to assume SSL is still okay in this day and age :P

does the daemon have its own

no forget about it

it's an rtfm question

i was going to ask if an SSH tunnel would be a decent idea for the SSL and fingerprinting or if there's builtin functionality

thanks for the replies :)

Built in.

always assume that certain entities have the root certificates of various CAs

(which is the point of fingerprint whitelisting, since it's not obvious I think)

hi all

i need help

don't we all, comrade

i tried mining monero a few years ago when it basically started but my hardware was shit pixelized

so now im looking to buy some and set up smart contracts

can you link me to something that will teach me how smart contracts work?

i spent like a year learning about all the proofs of -x and other things and ended up super confused

Lookup "ethereum", ask those people.

yeah, i only know about smart contracts with regards to ethereum

my friend studying it got like 5 million in VC for stuff like this but it was so complicated to me

oh nice

in all seriousness,xmr has no smart contracts

oh that explains why it was hard to get info

yeah xmr scripting is even more limtied than btc

those two tips will save me a few hours of reading the wrong thing ty both Lyza and pixellized

l*

people have developed some epic code around all this

👍️ :)

there will probably be degrees in crypto in college soon

there already are

o.0

wish i could get a student loan

i'm not sure about cryptocurrency but there are masters in cryptography

i was on irc channels at the start of bitcoin but have always been too broke to buy one even when they were $0.01 each

never too late tp start though

o*

and there are definitely singular courses in cryptocurrency

i took a networking class which had some cryptocurrency in it, for some reason

unexpected but a nice surprise

wow Cisco CCNA module 1 + Bitcoin

<strngelet "wish i could get a student loan"> move to europe 😉

for todays unique networking problems

"my credit is so bad they won't take my cash" - Dave Chapelle I think

2021-01-20 11:20:57.132 W WARNING: no two valid DNS TXT records were received

did the blocklist got ddos'ed

more likely your DNS is borked

Try running monero-utils-dns-checks (ypou need to have built the debug version)

is the olm/magolm encryption good?

heeey who wants to do some paperwork!?!?!?

taxes?

naw, work work

wink wink nudge nudge

?

o_0

i hate paperwork. drains me of any momentum. hence why im venting here. sorry .

all good man

no problem

nobody enjoys paperwork

besides nutjobs

any one here did any cloud mining ?

<sir_poppins[m] "any one here did any cloud minin"> Cloud mining is *always* a scam.

Or at the very least a bad deal.

99.999% scam

Monero makes mining on your own hardware straightforward.

can never earn more than the hourly charge. most times can't even get within 50% of it

XD XD XD

no get a VPS

drop a miner on it

Want to hire: Web developer for business website

you can reach me here, by word of mouth (probably) or I will have a website up soon /PaidAdvertisingB0T

ill be happy with 1 usd a day

is there any examples of a cryptocurrency having decentralized mining software baked into the official protocol?

decentralized pool mining **

i don;t know where to say this but did i just hear J-lo ad-lib her song during the inauguration that the election was a scam about 3 minutes ago?

i don;t speak spanish

it was youtube subtitles

strngelett: yes. Just before J-Lo brought out her semi automatic machine gun and mowed down all the security guards so the patriots could regain what is rightfully theirs.

J-Lo for president

<_I3^RELATIVISM "for the unentended, not agaisnt "> 1530s, "absence of government," from French anarchie or directly from Medieval Latin anarchia, from Greek anarkhia "lack of a leader, the state of people without a government" (in Athens, used of the Year of Thirty Tyrants, 404 B.C., when there was no archon), abstract noun from anarkhos "rulerless," from an- "without" (see an- (1)) + arkhos "leader" (see archon).

democracy is still hierarchical

hi folks, i'm developing a hybrid 3D CPU-GPU-VPU, there's a new NLnet Grant out nlnet.nl/assure and i'd like to put in an application to add fundamental cryto-primitives to the architecture

i am looking for the right people to speak to about two issues

firstly, in general: for advice on what to implement. (i found the cryptonote implementation which is a good guide)

secondly: how to ensure i don't piss people off because if successful and it ends up in silicon it'll be exceptionally powerful and effective at mining monero

there was never a real democracy - as long as we have a centralized financial system we will always have a plutocracy

if a bunch of stupid npc's are democrats its even worse

this is just the nature of *hybrid* CPU-GPU Vector Processors: GPU-like bitmanip processing power with CPU-like memory characteristics that will bypass the limitations assumed of GPU Memory layout

* there was never a real democracy - as long as we have a centralized financial system we will always have a plutocracy - plutocrats influencing the populus through bought off media

lkcl add AES support

and FP64 support

sech1: thx. Rijndael is planned by doing MixColumns in-place using GF(2^8) and byte-level "Matrix" reordering

lkcl: luke is that you?

hyc: yaman :)

figures :P

I don't know what's your constraints on instruction set, but see github.com/tevador/RandomX/blob/mas…oc/specs.md#52-integer-instructions

and also section 5.3 there

sech1, star

* there was never a real democracy - as long as we have a centralized financial system we will always have a plutocracy - plutocrats influencing the populus through bought off media, public schools, universities and so on.

ok so the FP64 ops are used to compute some "stuff" that's deliberately spread out across large amounts of RAM.

that's easily doable.

styxx: Im greek and have studie ancient greek

that translation is incorrect

the literal translation is the rejection of unecessary power structures

lkcl also read github.com/tevador/RandomX/blob/master/doc/design.md

not rejection of organization

sech1: star

that is just a american takeover of the word styxx

dynamic proof of work: ha! you should have looked at MROB's RIES :)

I'm skeptical of the memory claims. You can't physically build a DRAM that's good for both sequential streaming (as GPUs) and for fully random access

hyc: we'll use standard ECC DDR4 in the initial (not high performance compute) versions

probably cranking it up to Gen-Z, OpenCAPI and other so-insane-it's-hard-to-conceptualise memory architectures

hyc: have you seen the numbers on the IBM POWER10? i... am having difficulty mentally accepting the FPops performance numbers :)

no, I stopped keeping track at POWER9

lol

Not like they have huge market share these days. basically mainframe only

it's a big enough market if they can stay there. with the expertise in-house in IBM that's likely

sech1: mrob.com/pub/ries

it's a monte-carlo algorithm generator :) based on FORTH

hey cool it looks like the exact same principles are used as in RIES! a bytecode system, right?

is it Turing complete? :)

there are some deliberate limitations in the branch instructions

but otherwise, probably yes

coooool

<_I3^RELATIVISM "styxx: Im greek and have studie "> you have studied bullshit then

aha you are funny

do you speak ancient greek styxx ?

no offense

lkcl: may want to continue in #monero-pow

styxx: also I would advise you checkout anarchistfaq.com I think there is also reference for that

hyc: thx

many unix projects also have a gtk qt app for such styxx

I added ~200 new IPs to my block list: gui.xmr.pm/files/block.txt

<selsta "I added ~200 new IPs to my block"> blocklist is still necessary?

not necessary currently

<_I3^RELATIVISM "styxx: also I would advise you c"> There is no justified hierarchy. According to anarchists that respect themselves at least

People that say there is are probably something else.

that is just a american effort

Same as anarcho capitalists. Its fairytales

not the roots of anarchist works

and history/roots

<_I3^RELATIVISM "that is just a american effort"> The word literally means that.

including catalunia greece etc

<msavoritias[m] "The word literally means that."> msavoritias: that is incorrect

has stated before

anarchia is a ancient greek work

meaning an

plus archia

archia means hirearchy or abusive/unecessary power structures

an mean negative the oposite

so the meaning of the word is actually agaisnt power concentration

not organizations or gvornment itself

I know. I am greek

You need to read some more anarchistic works.

me to

I also studied ancient greek

Καλυ νιχτα

Maybe we have different definitions

I would advise you check out a bit more of the anarchist leterature

also rejection of all forms of organization would be counter productive

given organization is necessary

You too. Anarchy has nothing to do with hierarchy

<_I3^RELATIVISM "also rejection of all forms of o"> Depends what you mean organization

msavoritias: I notice you never replied to my greek statement

If you mean people meeting to discuss to do something that is okay

so probably you are bullshiting

Sure

and probably dont even know the hellenic language

ετσι γιατυ δεν μιλασ?

defenately a lie

Anyway.

sure anyway given you never answer

defenately not a greek

a quick search would had avoid you a embarassement

www.anarchistfaq.com

Μου αρεσει που βαζεις ενα site και βγαζεις την απαντηση σου. Επισης οργανισμος δεν ειναι ιεραρχια. Κοιτα τον στρατο για να καταλαβεις

Αμα νομιζεις οτι υπαρχουν καποιες ιεραρχιες που ειναι καλες σαν την κυβερνηση εχεις ακομα πολυ δρομο. Μην ανυσηχεις ομως ολοι τον καναμε. Ελπιζω καποια στιγμη να εισαι και εσυ εδω

<_I3^RELATIVISM "defenately not a greek"> .

ah nice at least you are not a liar

just lack of knowledge

I would suggest you read a bit more on anarchists history

and not just its modernist faction

i missed the start of the anarchy debate

is relating the origin of the word

strngelettt:

i think we are currently in an anarchy, when there is a set of videos of Biden graphically molesting little girls, AZ just agreed to a forensic examination of ballots today, on 30th December Georgia Legislature agreed the same and Michigan did this and found 68% fraud rate, there were 30k troops to protect against two (2) women in DC wearing MAGA hats and a host of other evidence. Plud only 874 people voted for Kamala in the

Deomcrats Primary 2019

<_I3^RELATIVISM "is relating the origin of the wo"> Literally the first result btw

Do you see neccessary anywhere?

that ispropaganda

best to use history and formation of the movement

i was one of 1.3 million people to watch the 13 hours of the Georgia hearings all the way through - then 300 million people have strong opinions though. WITHOUT WATCHING

and all works from anarchist writers

think I'm gonna pay a cent of tax in the US again?

msavoritias: not interesting to hear the opinion on society to what is anarchy

but by actual anarchist

s

also the translation is pron for this mistake

Hahaha. So now we are getting somewhere. You think everything mainstream is a lie.

<_I3^RELATIVISM "but by actual anarchist"> You are not listening to those either so

and if you are greek as you clame

you should understand this given it is obvious

you are much of a anarchist if you dont understand the basics of anarchist theory

you might claim to do so to brush your ego

but action without praxxis is just nonsense

can anyone recommend a politics channel

ahah

rigor is important,

so this propaganda isnt spread further

I hear that organization is bad for organisms

Hello monero fans. The peercoin dev was telling me that "Dash is not private at all" and "you can easily find papers demonstrating how it's not private at all". I figured this would be the place to find such papers since google is no help.

why not ask t the person that told you that?

you should allways request references before acepting a argument

<qrpnxz "Hello monero fans. The peercoin "> If you care about privacy why are you using Google. Your

> <@freenode_qrpnxz:matrix.org> Hello monero fans. The peercoin dev was telling me that "Dash is not private at all" and "you can easily find papers demonstrating how it's not private at all". I figured this would be the place to find such papers since google is no help.

* If you care about privacy why are you using Google. Your answer is in GitHub. DASH is a Bitcoin clone with an optional CoinJoin implementation that has not been improved in years.

because if i can't find something in ddg i just use google on tor since it's better

* If you care about privacy why are you using Google? Your answer is in GitHub. DASH is a Bitcoin clone with an optional CoinJoin implementation that has not been improved in years.

something not changing in years doesn't mean it's broken but ok

anyway you are right relativism, he should just source me himself. Thanks anyway

Read the paper that Ryan Taylor sent to regulators proving that DASH privacy is no better than Bitcoin

well bitcoin privacy with mixing is fine, so that would be indication that it is pretty good

hello

lmao blog.chainalysis.com/reports/introd…ation-compliance-support-dash-zcash

so good that chainanalysis can track coinjoin

The CEO of DCG literally says Bitcoin offers more advanced privacy than DASH twitter.com/RTaylor05/status/1345158220239630337

if i send 5 monero to someone and other 0.2 to someone else fee will be the same?

DASH is a scam for many reasons, but if you care about privacy the material coming out of DCG should be enough to get you to run

lokartiz0 the fee is determined by size so I would imagine the fee would be higher but probably less than is they were sent separately

just guessing

if only size matter and the amount not this is very bad for small payments

that's the way all of these blockechains work

transaction cost is way less than a penny

you're paying for the cost of transmitting, storing, validating the txn. it doesn't matter what the value is, every txn cost is based on its actual size

So Dash hasn't changed from wen they were the most private to when the were the most transparent

they have no principles, they just go for whatever angle makes them the most profit

u29601mg6ba93j[m: How do you call something as scam if it's being fully frank with you and adding value.

is just walstreet marketing

the only thing truly unique about DASH is its instamine. Most of its heavily marketed features are just copied from other projects and rebranded or modified slightly. This includes its hashing algo, privatesend and chainlocks. most of its unique features are actually broken (instasend) or centralized (sporks)

* The only thing truly unique about DASH that worked as intended was its instamine. Most of its heavily marketed features are just copied from other projects and rebranded or modified slightly. This includes its hashing algo, privatesend and chainlocks. Most of its other unique features are actually broken (instasend) or centralized (sporks)

what's broken about instantsend

works great

there are still problems today. If you put more effort into looking you will find answers just like many answers exist to your privacy questions

ok, and now that's fixed. Why don't you post the problems that aren't fixed

not fixed. MNs are still paid even if they dont perform services they are supposed to provide to the network

link?

btw the paper cited by that chainanalysis linked only had dash doing two mixing rounds and seems contrived

what are monero fees like atm btw, what the blocktime

*what's the block time

look up "lazy masternodes"

comment reads: "Most of the Dash cultists will say "But a Masternode owner would never do something that might hurt Dash itself""

and that's true lmao. Masternodes are PoS (and not just a little bit of stake)

twitter.com/victorbx1/status/831193798323662849 well there you go lol

They have been talking about DASH evolution for years. I think its rebranded to DASH platform now

btw DASH evolution is a fork and rebrand of another project too

see GitHub

github.com/dashevo it is a copy of Tendermint

Anyway @qrpnxz good luck with your DASH research. Its a scam targeted at uneducated investors. Hopefully after doing more due diligence you will see that

i don't see how copying something good is in any way a downside

what happened to dash labs

lol

never heard of em

<qrpnxz "i don't see how copying somethin"> It is if they purposely pretend that they are innovating and building useful things when they are just copying and rebranding. MN owners dont really care about adoption, security, privacy or utilty. They want dumb investors to buy so the price goes up and they can vote with their instamined MNs for shitty projects they have an interest in

<selsta "what happened to dash labs"> reddit.com/r/DashUncensored/comment…bs_closes_down_we_do_not_wish_to_be

how does the price going up hurt me

u29601mg6ba93j[m: :D

lol the source of that is a suspended account

This is really off topic here. If it's not dead yet, let it die.

Sorry Mooo. You are right. We cant save everyone. #darwinism

isn't the purpose of monero to produce people that hate dash /s jk, i can fuck off already if you want. Thanks for the opinions and links and all that

wait i never did get my on topic question answered: what are monero fees like atm and what is the block time

bc_dyn_stats 1 in monerod, 2 min.

1 coin per transaction?

Fees are like 0.0001 xmr/tx or so

> <@freenode_selsta:matrix.org> what happened to dash labs

* reddit.com/r/DashUncensored/comment…sh_labs_slack_chat_reveals_possible

ah ok thanks endor and mooo

I meant bc_dyn_stats 1 will print the base fee per byte.

(Assuming you use lowest priority, which means you'll still get in the next block because there's no congestion anyway)

ah ok, i don't got your client downloaded lol

if it's ok i also wanted to ask what you guys thought about zcash

It has some interesting properties, but the trusted setup, the premine, and the massive devfee, are a no-go imo

Oh, and the opt-in privacy instead of opt-out, which effectively makes their anonimity pool useless because almost nobody uses it

Are you sure there's a premine ? I did not hear of it.

what's the trusted setup, what is the problem with devfee, how does premine affect it this late into the game

Oh, perhaps I'm confusing the premine with some other coin

yeah i don't see here about premine

and good point about opt-in

that's one major problem of telegram

The zkSnark protocol used by zcash requires a trusted setup, ie a bunch of people who generated some private keys in an initiation ceremony in order to be able to start the coin, and then pinky promise that they deleted those keys

And if anyone were to get a hold of those keys, they could invisibly pint infinite coins

that is spicy, how do they try to prove that they really deleted

I don't remember all the details, but iirc they basically tried to make the event as public as possible and document every step and try to make it as transparent as possibile

But it still presents a massive risk

yeah that's rough. Alright I have now things to look up about it.

And there's also a nasty PR component in the whole thing which I particularly hate: they officially called those keys they generated "toxic waste" that they had to "dispose of". Which is a lousy psychological trick to try to push laypeople away from the subject, because "ew toxic waste"

It sounds silly, but this crap works. And the fact that somebody thought of it and applied it makes the whole thing much more shady in my eyes

Re: devfee. For quite a while, 20% of the block reward went to the wallets of the ZCash foundation (a for-profit company) as "dev fee"

That's a massive fucking fee

That effectively means 20% of the entire market cap in the hands of one entity, which could potentially sit on their asses and do fuckall and still get money printed straight into their own pockets by other people's work

They might have lowered it to like 10% a while back, not sure. But still, that's outright theft