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mnt_grrrl2
2020-12-29 00:13:33.686 W Unable to send transaction(s) to i2p - no suitable outbound connections at height 2262408
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mnt_grrrl2
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mnt_grrrl2
OUT : I2P no 0000000000000001 0 2507(16)/1446(17) normal 60 0 0 0 0
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mnt_grrrl2
OUT : I2P no 0000000000000001 0 7856(14)/2263(17) normal 161 0 0 0 0
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mnt_grrrl2
OUT : I2P no 0000000000000001 0 3053(11)/52380(11) normal 262 0 0 0 0
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mnt_grrrl2
any thoughts about whats wrong?
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selsta
you can try relay_tx txid
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selsta
but not sure why it didn’t send in the first place if you have out peers
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mnt_grrrl2
relay_tx txid
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mnt_grrrl2
2020-12-29 00:21:32.987 E invalid hash format: txid
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mnt_grrrl2
failed to parse tx id
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selsta
you have to use your transaction id
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selsta
in general I have found Tor more stable than I2P
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mnt_grrrl2
selsta, any suggestions on the best tor tutorial?
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mnt_grrrl2
that was next on my list
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selsta
which OS are you using?
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mnt_grrrl2
debian buster
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mnt_grrrl2
replay_tx 2262419
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mnt_grrrl2
unknown command: replay_tx 2262419
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Lyza
relay not replay
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Lyza
oh my bad
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mnt_grrrl2
relay_tx 2262419
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mnt_grrrl2
2020-12-29 00:30:36.430 E invalid hash format: 2262419
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mnt_grrrl2
failed to parse tx id
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Lyza
that's not the TX hash
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mnt_grrrl2
do I need to turn logging up to what # to get it?
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Lyza
on the "transactions" page in the GUI, it's called "Transaction ID"
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mnt_grrrl2
running cli
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nioc
mm
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selsta
show_transfers
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nioc
meowmix
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nioc
sorry
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mnt_grrrl2
show_transfers
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mnt_grrrl2
unknown command: show_transfers
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selsta
show_transfers is a wallet command
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mnt_grrrl2
oh ok
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selsta
ok, for tor you can just install using your package manager, start tor and then --tx-proxy tor,172.0.0.1:9050
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mnt_grrrl2
thank you
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netrik182[m]
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mnt_grrrl2
was just looking at that
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Dommelbommel
hi!
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Dommelbommel
I want to buy XMR
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gingeropolous
Dommelbommel, the best way is an exchange
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gingeropolous
well, maybe not best. but perhaps safest?
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Dommelbommel
Okay, what do you think of XMR.to
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nioc
Dommelbommel: you can't buy xmr from them
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Dommelbommel
Just found out myself lol
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Dommelbommel
thx
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nioc
Np
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Dommelbommel
Where do y'all buy XMR there are little to no good offers on LocalMonero
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gingeropolous
kraken
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nioc
Very good service for what it is
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Dommelbommel
I enjoyed localbitcoins bc there are offers without ID required but on LocalMonero there aren't enough
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coffeeroaster
Any mobile wallets that support stagenet/testnet?
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vekin
you could try something like bisq
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vekin
i haven't used it but supposedly its a decentralized exchange
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Dommelbommel
I just downloaded Bisq, will try it, but pretty high minimum amounts
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Dommelbommel
I'll look at Kraken aswell, thx
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vekin
oh .006 security deposit of BTC so its like 160 bucks
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vekin
i use bittrex because kraken won't service WA
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Dommelbommel
What do you think of MyMonero as wallet
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nioc
It's a web wallet
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Dommelbommel
so not very secure?
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nioc
There are fake duplicate sites
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nioc
If you are careful it's ok for small amounts
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Dommelbommel
I downloaded the program looks okay
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nioc
The site itself is ok
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nioc
Think you still need to put your seed in each time and they use a 13 word one
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nioc
So another thing you need to be careful about
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Dommelbommel
yeah I got a seed and I need to put in my password every 10 mins
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nioc
I use the CLI
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Dommelbommel
ah that's cool
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nioc
I always have a node running
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nioc
It can be used with a remote node
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nioc
But I have never done so
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Dommelbommel
So you keep everything offline good idea probably
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Dommelbommel
I'm still a newbie it's my first time buying XMR, but I bought BTC a few times
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> Hello guys. My first post here.
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Dommelbommel
hi!
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> Is any one a developer?
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> Like, I understand monero was written in c etc... but I only know python. Can I mine for XMR writing program in python? Like I am sure from what I understand I just have to show math proof to show I found the next block. Like can I not do the calculations to solve the block and go from there with out having to understand C or whatever
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nioc
The daemon is capable of mining or you can use a mining program such as xmrig
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nioc
The daemon needs to download the blockchain and is solo mining by default
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nioc
xmrig will get you a higher hashrate and is easier to mine on a pool
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> ok what exactly is the daemon. yes I know I can google it I have used crypto for awhile it just that word confuses me a bit. Are you talking about the wallet software?
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moneromooo
The daemon is the program that maintains the blockchain by talking to other monero peers on the network and keeping the latest chain on your disk.
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moneromooo
The wallet then parses this chain to send and receive monero.
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> and it is also trying to figure the next block?
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hyc
the wallet talks to a daemon and asks it to parse the chain
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moneromooo
Monero's mostly C++ (close enough to C if you squint I guess). Mining using Python code will likely be *very* slow, if you wrote such a miner.
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moneromooo
The daemon (or another miner) will "figure the next block".
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> and what is the math proof needed to be shown for that
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> for monero
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> sorry if that question is too much. I have not read the full pdf on monero yet
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moneromooo
Supplying a valid block such that its long hash (interpreted as a bignum) is below a certain number.
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> so last hash plus new data hash together with a certain number range
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moneromooo
In a way, yes.
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> I mainly wanted to write a python miner to improve my python skills
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moneromooo
The hashing algorithm will be... complicated to implement.
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> but would I even understand how to broadcast transaction to a network software written in c
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moneromooo
If you want to write this too, you need speak the network's P2P language, which is custom.
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> so i need to learn c to be able to write monero miners, sprograms etc..
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moneromooo
I suppose you kinda need to to understand the code if you want to make a compatible python implementation, yes. C++.
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> and this P2P language
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> can be understood by reading the code
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> or is there a documentation somewhere
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moneromooo
Code. There's a protocol primer in docs too.
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moneromooo
LEVIN.md or similar name.
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moneromooo
That'll be a large job for someone who already knows C++ fwiw.
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> whats fwiw?
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gingeropolous
for what its worth
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moneromooo
It's worth its worth, tautologically.
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> I dunno about Python so far I have learned its like a glue language to glue a bunch of stuff written in c together
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> all the cool stuff is written in C++ etc...
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> like monero
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> bitcoin
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> games
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> do I need to know any CS to understand C?
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> or can I just pick it up the same way i picked up python
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moneromooo
Easy to pick up, hard to master.
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moneromooo
Some might take issue with the first part :)
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> like do I have to understand anything about how the CPU works or how exactly memory works
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moneromooo
But if you know neither C nor Python... forget it and save yourself some wasted time.
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hyc
you don't need to know those to write code in C
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hyc
but knowing it will help you write better code
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> i just know python and can create basic apps
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moneromooo
Well, C without knowing how memory works, you're pretty much hosed unless you're doing toy stuff.
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hyc
Well, you can get away with declaring structs without actually understanding memory layout. much like Pasca
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hyc
Pascal
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hyc
but yeah, it's essential for going further
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moneromooo
Yes, but you soon need pointers. But maybe you can get pretty far already without using any ? Hmm.
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» moneromooo senses a vague challenge there...
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> this is what drives me crazy about my little knowledge in python... i just wish it didnt seem like magic typing things in... but then every one tells me I dont wanna go through all that trouble
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moneromooo
Arrays and indices.
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> like I think if I understood how to go from like logic gates to an OS
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> all of this higher level stuff will make sense
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> or is that not worth the effort?
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moneromooo
Oh you don't need to know the low level hw side.
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moneromooo
Though logic ops, you do.
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> can any program be written with only loops, vars, and conditonal staments, arrays?
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> and functions.
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hyc
probably
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hyc
BASIC didn't even have functions, but you could still write just about anything with it
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hyc
*didn't have user-defined functions
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moneromooo
You can always make your own stack if you have arrays.
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> so what is the pre req to learn c
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moneromooo
Time and patience ?
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moneromooo
I mean, if you want to be able to read/comprehend the monero P2P code to rewrite it.
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> ok but like people say I need to understand memory, I dunno what that means, what is the best search term for that
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> for c++ programming
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moneromooo
memory layout, stack, heap
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moneromooo
It's less needed for C++ though, which is what monero uses.
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moneromooo
STL shields you from a good amount of that.
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> is monero still mined with gpu and cpu
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> or is it like bitcoin where you need super duper stuff
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xmrmatterbridge
<mlookone> like ASICS
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moneromooo
CPU. I don't think GPUs can do much atm.
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moneromooo
Might not be that far off from CPUs.
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hyc
current crop of GPUs are still at least 50% worse than CPUs
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hyc
next AMD generation, RDNA2, looks like it might narrow the gap
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vekin
My 1070 does like 300-400H/s compared to 15200H/s on my AMD r9 3900x
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vekin
isn't worth the cost of electricity on the gpu mining
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dexter
yup i found it there (~/.bitmonero), Thanks, I am trying to build from latest commit of master branch of monero i built it successfully but on running it with following command ./bin/monerod --log-file monerod.log --detach
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dexter
2020-12-29 04:00:13.520 7f5c10930c00 INFO global src/daemon/p2p.h:63 Initializing p2p server...
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dexter
2020-12-29 04:00:13.524 7f5c10930c00 INFO stacktrace src/common/stack_trace.cpp:133 Exception: boost::exception_detail::clone_impl<boost::exception_detail::error_info_injector<boost::system::system_error> >
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dexter
i see followng in the monerod.log
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dexter
any help plz
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moneromooo
--log-level 1 -> pastebin
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donkeydonkey[m]
hi y'all. anyone know of a way to list all the available RPC commands for the daemon. i have pay for rpc working for the wallet cli but i would like to talk to the node with a custom server using the pay for rpc and i dont see any pay for rpc commands listed on the getmonero.org daemon rpc docs... thanks much
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moneromooo
grep MAP.*\" src/rpc/core_rpc_server.h | sed -e 's/.*\"\(.*\)\".*/\1/'
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moneromooo
That gets you both the JSON RPC and the... others.
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donkeydonkey[m]
cool thanks
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moneromooo
dexter: I'm off for the evening, I'll see your log tomorrow.
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macliress[m]
could someone help me to automate my monero deamon to start up automatically at a certain time (at midgnight) and power down at (17h / 5pm) ? Im running the deamon on macos cli.
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macliress[m]
another option could be to lower the upload en download rate between midnight and 5pm , this way the node remains up.
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Inge-
on linux you could use tc to shape the traffic - e.g. limiting bandwidth at specific times. no idea how/if that translates to macOS
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hyc
just set up a cron job to run "monerod limit_up xx" at specified times
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hyc
a script that issues limit_up limit_down commands
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Inge-
oooh
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ErCiccione[m]
People syncing a lot of nodes lately. I have >100 incoming connections on my nodes
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SaltilloLC
ryo_ru: If i was on their place i would shit bricks daily from recognising a thought thatactually more inclined and financial backed guys can come and knock you down. So i would rush for resolution asap
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SaltilloLC
fice: But they are stupid and short sighted, with each update they think it is the last one, pat themselves on the back and declare victory. Welcome to Monero. Are you tired of winning yet?
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Barbelo[m]
this may come off as a dumb question but is it possible to save your monero blockchain between two storage devices? example: fill up a rasp pi sd card and then continue to save to a flashdrive?
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monerouser1144
selsta please add IP 104.248.112.30 (n+2)
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sech1
Barbelo you can configure a JBOD array out of sd card and flashdrive and format them into a single volume, but they'll have to be always connected after that
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monerouser1144
I hate to sate it, but perhaps we should mimic the attacker in using automation for the provisioning of Monero nodes. Several VPS providers offer APIs and there are very popular config management tools like Ansible.
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endor00[m]
Define "we"
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endor00[m]
Who would actually be in charge for that? Who would pay for it?
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macliress[m]
<monerouser1144 "I hate to sate it, but perhaps w"> much decentralization...
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monerouser1144
I was referring to the discussion that took place here over the weekend, about increasing the number of legit nodes to make the network more resilient.
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monerouser1144
Since most people don't have Linux sysadmin skills but would probably be happy to "outsource" the operation of nodes. I was just thinking out loud ...
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sethsimmons
Could do essentially what Streisand does but with Monero nodes, allowing easy spin up of nodes by users on their own cloud provider accounts.
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sethsimmons
But that still requires comfort with CLI.
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sethsimmons
I think a simple GUI for running a node on personal hardware is the better path forward and is harder to shutdown or censor.
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ComplyLast
are all tor exit nodes on the ban list? if a person were to run a node completely torrified they would be banned by other peers unconditionally?
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monerouser1144
Exactly, I even gave the link to Streisand (
github.com/StreisandEffect/streisand ) as the best implementation of what I had in mind. But the specs are quite different, since streisand only needs a compute node
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sethsimmons
Good enough hardware via a VPS is pretty pricy, as you need good storage and a lot of bandwidth.
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thead
my P2P node appears on monernohash map only after I open 18089 port, even though i don't have RPC set up in my launch options, I don't even have the --public-node or --confirm-external-bind
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dEBRUYNE
Did you use a custom port for P2P?
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dEBRUYNE
thead ^
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thead
18080
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donkeydonkey[m]
hiya! so im working with the pay for rpc (and first off, the monero code is really cool. thanks y'all) i found the list of rpc commands in the monero code for the daemon. however i cant find how to get the client ID for building and accessing the pay for rpc credits on the client... any ideas about how to get that clientID. thanks much
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moneromooo
Multiply your key (random secret) by G. There's a function called secret_key_to_public_key IIRC that does this.
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moneromooo
Actually scratch the first sentence. Might be an extra x8 or so somewhere.
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donkeydonkey[m]
its not generated on the daemon?
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moneromooo
Correct.
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monerouser1144
sethsimmons sure a VPS for Monero node is a bit pricey ($150-$200/yr), probably due to most of them switching to SSD in the last 2-3 years and offering very limited diskspace. But what is the alternative to a fleet of VPS, if one wants to grow the number of nodes. IMHO suggesting that people run a node on their home Win10 PC or on a SBC / RasPi etc
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monerouser1144
will result in many disappointed volunteers.
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sethsimmons
Why? I’d rather run one on hardware I own at home for many reasons, cost and bandwidth being chief among them.
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sethsimmons
Running a VPS is generally far outside of normal users comfort zones.
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Jaska_
What would be approved size for --block-sync-size ? If i set it to 500 I get disconnected from network all the time and can't sync.
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dEBRUYNE
The defaults are fairly reasonable
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dEBRUYNE
Generally advised to not change them
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Jaska_
Yeah I goofed up and overwrote my blockchain with new one..
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selsta
monerouser1144: done
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sn1p3r
hi guys, what is this buzz about "US firm registered tracking SW"...I have seen some exchanged delisted XMR
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dEBRUYNE
There haven't been any exchange delistings recently
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sech1
sn1p3r you're 4 months late to the party
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Quotes
diisssscoonneeeeeee ♪ ┗(^0^)┓ ♪
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dEBRUYNE
for XMR that is
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sn1p3r
so fake news :-D
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sn1p3r
Binance claimed no XMR due US pressure
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sech1
That firm which claimed Monero tracking failed to win a government grant of $650000 to track Monero... a week later :D
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sn1p3r
they try to scare people no wonder
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sn1p3r
it doesn't fit present propaganda...Banks want to offer own digital currency like ECB in 2025 and screw out crypto in 2022
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sn1p3r
@sech1 they claimed they filled for patent...unsure about company name
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sech1
Everyone can file a patent. Apple filed a patent about rectangle with round corners
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sech1
you can watch their pathetic interview:
youtube.com/watch?v=w5rtd3md11g
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sn1p3r
what about US government new strategy comply or die...they seems to not like what cannot be tracked ::-D
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sn1p3r
I guess this crap comes to Europe as well
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thead
at the same time XMR is probably the only crypto that comes close to complying with europe gdpr laws
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the5000[m]
The United Nations wants a world totalitarian Marxist takeover
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jess
does this involve George Soros
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the5000[m]
Yes and many more going back at least 6000 years ago
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jess
does it also include the Rothschilds
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the5000[m]
Yes it also includes the knights Templar Freemasons the priory de sion
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jess
is there a child sex trafficking ring operating out of a pizza shop
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the5000[m]
No that was fake news they have underground bases where they breed their own kids and they bring most these kid napped kids to the bohemian Grove and places like the hellfire club
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jess
i cant tell if you're being serious but i feel like you need a hug
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the5000[m]
Do you ever listen to crypto currency podcasts
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jess
no
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jess
i assume you're a fan of infowars
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the5000[m]
And I'm trying to get married to a girl from Korea or Japan or china
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Quotes
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jess
Jones has been on the Bohemian Grove thing for decades
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the5000[m]
No I didn't like Alex Jones I like bill Cooper Ralph epperson and David icke
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jess
David "the queen is a lizard" Icke?
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the5000[m]
Yes
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jess
what about the transdimensional psychic vampires
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the5000[m]
Yes
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jess
do you also do the flat earth thing or heliocentrism
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sn1p3r
oh boy Conspiracy terrorism, the fun of half-brains since we have built Internet :-D
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jess
i dont think conspiracy theorists are dumb, just mislead
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the5000[m]
No I'm not big on the flat Earth stuff but I think we need to fly across Antarctica because we never have flown straight through it
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jess
there's powerful people in the world gambling with the lives of poor people, but it's not a shady cabal of rich jews, and it's not in search of some satanic ritualistic actualisation
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the5000[m]
There's no reason why this shouldn't have been done they're hiding something from us and it's not Jews it's the zionists they're different
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sn1p3r
conspiracy terrorism has been invented for that mos dangerous group of humanoids that from time to time take over...mix of bullshit and truth that keeps half-brains occupied for at least 40 years
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jess
the5000[m]: what do you think of the JQ
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sn1p3r
ever wonder why do not commercial jets fly over mountains and south/north pole? it is simpler thank you think
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the5000[m]
I don't even know what that is
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the5000[m]
I'm trying to get married to a girl from an Asian country to sell my us citizenship to
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jess
how do you feel about FEMA
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the5000[m]
It's real so are the camps
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jess
Denver Airport?
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nioc
pale blue dot
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nioc
humans.....how do they work?
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the5000[m]
Real for sure it's full of Masonic symbols there is a base under it
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jess
humans have a habit of finding patterns where none were intended, partly because disorder is scary
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the5000[m]
One discovery I made is that the skull and bones arm of the Illuminati killed the rapper woodie
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jess
and conspiracy theorists fall in to a protagonist complex where they're on the forefront of some big problem and it makes them important
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jess
they have the proof, they figured it out, they'll save the day and rid us of the evil that is singly responsible for the ills of the wordl
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jess
world*
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the5000[m]
Do you guys use hardware wallets for crypto?
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sn1p3r
yes
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jess
it's not a stupidly in any sense, it's misplaced enthusiasm and exceptionalism, the latter being why they feel the need to bring it up all the time
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jess
it's like god people who feel uniquely enlightened and feel it is their duty to convince and save those around them
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the5000[m]
What wallet do you use
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sn1p3r
i stopped wasting time with conspiracy terrorism...if you see living Icke over and over again...there is something inherently wrong because non believers are always purified
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sn1p3r
I use Ledger products
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the5000[m]
What hardware to and how do hardware wallets work? Can I get 5 of them and have them all share the same wallets so if something happens to one I have backups?
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sn1p3r
no, all you need is mnemonic words on safe place because when you lose HW wallet....you buy new one and recover it
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the5000[m]
I've never used one the last time I used crypto was in 14. I am trying to get back into it
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sn1p3r
if you have lots of crypto currencies...you may need more hw wallets because they usually have limited disk space on them...my can hold like four types of currency
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the5000[m]
Okay that's good enough
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sn1p3r
it is more like cold storage
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the5000[m]
What 4 did you end up picking
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sn1p3r
if you use Monero, Ledger has no direct support and you connect via Getmonero GUI or full node wallet
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sn1p3r
in other words...it is safely stored on HW wallet but connected via external app
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sn1p3r
I mine ETC and like XMR for its privacy
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thead
what's ETC
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Lyza
wow I missed some fun convo lol
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sn1p3r
Ethereum Classic = ETC
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thead
u believe in it? or just mine
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the5000[m]
Have you ever read mastering monero
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thead
there is also "zero to monero"
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the5000[m]
Okay
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sn1p3r
@thead I do not believe in anything that has imaginary value :-D
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sn1p3r
ETC is last profitable coin to mine...question only how long
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the5000[m]
What about general crypto to
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sn1p3r
no value other than "believe"...even worst than normal "money"
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sn1p3r
intangible, poor liquidity
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sn1p3r
soon only tradable on Dark Net
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the5000[m]
What are the top 5 cryptos to know and trade
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thead
trading crypto is only worth if you got successful trading experience in other markets, otherwise it's waste of time. just DCA every month meaningless amount of money and HODL, instead of trading
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moneromooo
Bitcoin, monero, grin, ethereum... hmm, we need a fifth ?
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sn1p3r
trading crypto is greatest gamble you can do, there is no fundamentals just pure human chaos :-D
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moneromooo
I'd have said cryptonite if you hadn't said "trade" :P
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thead
no good trader wants to create competition for himself, and give out asymmetrical information - his methods and tricks that lets him stay profitable
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ComplyLast
why grin moneromooo?
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the5000[m]
What about zcash and dash
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moneromooo
Grin scales pretty well (though still has a linear component per tx).
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moneromooo
Zcash is an odd one, very nice math, but it seems part of the team is being a bit dodgy.
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moneromooo
dash is an outright scam.
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raecarruth
how about doge moneromooo?
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raecarruth
:)
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raecarruth
or ltc instead of etherescam :p
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moneromooo
Coasting on popular culture.
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the5000[m]
Wasn't doge supposed to be a joke
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raecarruth
it's less of a joke than eth
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raecarruth
doesn't matter what it was meant to be
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raecarruth
it's more legit than most
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moneromooo
Ethereum is a massive tower of... stuff.
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thead
chaos creates opportunity
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raecarruth
btc, xmr, doge, ltc
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raecarruth
i don't have a fifth
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ComplyLast
<jess> they have the proof, they figured it out, they'll save the day and rid us of the evil that is singly responsible for the ills of the wordl <- can I report you to freenode for attacking Christianity and revelead religion in general?
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moneromooo
Religion is a social disease.
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jess
i dont think that's much of an attack
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ComplyLast
seems like a pretty frontal attack to me (:
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jess
also i thoroughly support religious freedoms
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raecarruth
o_0
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raecarruth
iunno why people even talk about religion in 2020
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moneromooo
Very similar to Covid. You have it, it's your problem, but if you try to pass it on, you're an asshole :)
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monerouser1144
LOL, just catching up on the conspiracy discussion of the past hour or so. Seemingly OECD is the driving force behind ever intrusive financial controls, which nowadays involve even minimal amounts (usually in the name of terrorism or exploitation etc). Newer generations have no idea of the dismantling of privacy in the past 30-40 years. I wonder if
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monerouser1144
anyone knows that until the 1980s there were BEARER BONDS issued by the US (like those stored in the vault of Nakatomi Corp in the movie "Die hard").
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sn1p3r
religion is fear as many more forms that humanoids suffer from but it tends to be great business
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ComplyLast
I like bearer stuff in general monerouser1144
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the5000[m]
People are genetically bred by the ruling class to be manipulated and religion is a form of control.
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raecarruth
genetically bred?
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raecarruth
or do you mean socially indoctrinated
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raecarruth
?
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jess
ComplyLast: the thing is, i wasn't saying that was bad, i was just expressing how i think people like that see the situation
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ComplyLast
yes, read Brave New World, it's not fiction. Huxley in a LSD induced trip saw reality
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sn1p3r
imagine you built business for 3000 years and then comes some mofos that invent untrackable 1/0 somewhere on server that you cannot use anywhere...bank mafia retaliates
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the5000[m]
Yes the Christians killed non believers so they're all inbred with the same genetics to believe lies that is why we have so much sheeple
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ComplyLast
jess, just messing with you :)
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jess
:p
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sn1p3r
christian cult is offspring of jews
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the5000[m]
I have read many of huxleys books and Orwell's and I know his family history he was a Fabian and etonite and his brother worked with darwin he was a promoter of modernism and humanism he is an Illuminati stooge
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jess
i try to not judge people that believe things that i think are really wrong or dangerous because i dont think people set out in life to be wrong or dangerous
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moneromooo
To go back to the previous conversation, I think some part of why people end up believing conspiracies or religions is that their probability estimation is out of whack.
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raecarruth
what makes it out of whack? trauma?
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sn1p3r
any form of -ism must be purfied ;-)
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moneromooo
Everyone will by necessity beliee some things without having clear proof for reasons of scaling, this is not bad in itself.
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jess
humans have an innate need for order and stability, big events (like 9/11) are much more comforting if you think one single centralised bad entity did it
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Mochi101
I believe in you moneromooo
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jess
otherwise it could happen at any time anywhere by anyone and you can't control that
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binaryFate
the appeal of getting a simple explanation to the complexity of the world
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jess
exactly!
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moneromooo
But when you start getting on a train of more and more unlikely things, you are in a failiure mode that just messes with your mind in a way that's hard to get back from sometimes.
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jess
covid-19 being explained as something breaking free from a lab where it was intentionally created is a lot more comforting than "it just happened randomly and has caused all of this damage"
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sn1p3r
it is humanoid nature for centuries - what you cannot explain is CIF doing and humanoids love to argue about crap because an opinion is like an asshole, everybody has one
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moneromooo
Unfortunately for many, social pressures (family when a kid, people around you) often make you have to choose between going along with the flow or not doing so, and not doing so has high costs.
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ComplyLast
sn1p3r, that's why I identify as Ferengi these days.
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moneromooo
So you go along with some, and soon you go along with more, etc.
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sn1p3r
@jess Covid has been invented in 2002 and patented in 2003 by French lab :-D
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monerouser1144
"You can learn just as much by reading a man's bank-book as by reading his diary" said Dr Watson in "The Adventure Of The Norwood Builder" and this even more true today than it was 120yr ago./
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jess
sunk cost and cognitive dissonance. the price to pay to admit you were wrong about the weird stuff you believed appears worse than digging yourself deeper
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sn1p3r
my sis learnt about Covid in school :-D
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sn1p3r
this baby disease killed barely 1% of population. I am still waiting for that 98% purge as promised
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monerouser1144
moneromoo peer pressure is incredibly powerful and it often works subconsciously.
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sn1p3r
it is humanoid farming - why do you think you spend most of your most important years at non-invasive lobotomy where you are programmed to comply
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ComplyLast
ComplyLast.
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sn1p3r
in post-apocalyptic generations they even carry on with more lobotomy at universities/high shools
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ComplyLast
lol
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sn1p3r
because we live in era of highly theoretically educated monkeys :-D
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monerouser1144
Well, it's not entirely unthinkable that Covid was made in a lab. It's a recombinant virus, unlike any others found in Nature, that's why the researchers think it jumped between two species (bats and pangolins) before infecting humans.
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sn1p3r
can you imagine the look in their eyes if they met me that is uneducated, yet best in the field and internationally acclaimed ROFL
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jess
the point i was trying to make is that we should be compassionate of conspiracy theorists and try to make them feel able to renege on their beliefs
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ComplyLast
feels like a good approach.
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sn1p3r
think about it this way - natural viruses have purge rate 70-98%. Everything else is synthetic ;-) Natural tribes eat animals for centuries and they never had problems like modern humanoids :-D
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moneromooo
Nutcases sometimes make it hard to feel empathetic. I'm thinking of a particular one but was a massive asshole, I basically felt sorry for the poor bastard except when he popped back in to spew more bullshit.
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ComplyLast
assuming people believe something because they're dumb, stupid or evil (or a combination of the three) is, even if true, the worst starting point for a conversation.
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moneromooo
Killed himself since, so I'm now stuck in the feeling sorry for him state I guess.
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sn1p3r
why do you think English and Latin have so high fatality rate? The most unhealthy humanoids on Earth with take-a-pill-syndrome and antibiotic resistance. Italian health system particularly stopped evolving at collapse of Roman Empire
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moneromooo
But yes, verging on conspiracy, persecution complex etc.
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monerouser1144
Did you know that 50% of the human genome is from long-dead viruses? They have been the most important driver of evolution ...
sciencefocus.com/the-human-body/virus-human-evolution
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sn1p3r
don't worry about conspiracy, worry about present because you cannot change re-written past or uncertain future
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sn1p3r
humans are one great virus, you have already everything in yourself....nature is about balance ;-) "diseases" were invented by CIF in 16th century or so
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nioc
oh hey, can I spew shit here and get a response?
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ComplyLast
yes nioc
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ComplyLast
that's how it goes.
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sn1p3r
you can but we will be soon kicked out :-D ever since I joined crypto fanatics, there is lots con-terorrists :-D We got already two warnings for history facts :-D some poor humanoid couldn't handle truth
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ComplyLast
if you're going to refer to truth that way at least capitalize the word.
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sn1p3r
just when you think crypto world is dominated by intelligent and free-minded people
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moneromooo
The Truth shall make you fret.
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ComplyLast
as in the one Truth to rule them all and in enlightenment bind them.
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sn1p3r
truth is ability to force your opinion...I prefer to use "fact" despite it is not better than truth ROFL
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nioc
blind men and the elephant
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sn1p3r
what is truth/fact if human brain can be easily fooled ;-)
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moneromooo
That's what science is about. Trying to work it out.
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moneromooo
Rather than making up stuff and deeming it the truth.
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ComplyLast
it's an iterative process still
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sn1p3r
two persons seeing same thing have different and oft oposite truths
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sn1p3r
science is bullshit full of thieves and glory seekers. we have science yet we cannot survive last 100 years...there is something wrong no? :-D
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ComplyLast
moneromooo and it does stop with "social sciences" where there are too many variables and your own way of framing the questions, or declaring specific value to variables, is already inducing bias.
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sn1p3r
science is consensus of majority. very few great minds have been deemed as truth ;-) Genius like Niki Tesla was bad for business :-D
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sn1p3r
Viking or Japanese metallurgy and sword making needed "science" to find out how the did it without computers :-D
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sn1p3r
over 90% of population eats crap. yet we have "scientists" that reinvent wheel or retards that repeat history as latest grasseaters movement
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ComplyLast
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sn1p3r
science is waste of money in most cases
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sn1p3r
overpaid bums
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sn1p3r
i like social engineering though...I do not need to work too much thanks to this "science" :-D
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raecarruth
sn1p3r: you socially engineer people into handing over their money in exchange for false promises?
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the5000[m]
How many people create crypto to run pump and dumps with it
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the5000[m]
Some of these coins go down like 99 percent
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moneromooo
There's a few thousand coins I think. OOM. Let's say 2000. Let's say average 3 people per. Handwave 60% are P&Ds (I dunno whether that's close or not). Assume everyone of those people does it twice on average. 1800 such people.
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sn1p3r
@raecarruth no I do not trade crypto. I inspire my coworkers to work for me :-P
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sn1p3r
work smart not hard ;-)
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kangaroo69[m]
Anyone use an android app for crypto exchange? What would you suggest I use?
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Lyza
Cake Wallet has exchange stuff built in
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Jaska_
has anything changed during last monero-cli update? I can't connect to my node with cli nor rpc
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selsta
Jaska_: which version exactly?
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selsta
try setting --restricted-rpc-bind-ip
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Jaska_
just a se
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Jaska_
c
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Jaska_
v0.17.1.8-a99d6e56b
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selsta
I don't know which commit that is.
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selsta
Try latest release-v0.17 branch
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Jaska_
hmm.. why it puled that though
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selsta
ok that is 1 day old
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Jaska_
lol
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selsta
we merged some things today that should resolve your issue, please try again
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Jaska_
I've built it from source so far without a hitch but today went badly
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Jaska_
usually i don't see those commits
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selsta
please report back if you still have issues with latest release-v0.17
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Jaska_
Well I just rebuilt it from source like 1-2 hours ago
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Jaska_
should i just download the binaries release?
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selsta
we did merges 2 hours ago
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selsta
but the version you posted is 1 day old
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Jaska_
Weird, I'll try rebuilding id once more
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selsta
try fetching latest git repository
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Jaska_
Yeah, human error detected, copied the day old version over the old one.
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Jaska_
my bad, seems to work fine now
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selsta
great
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donkeydonkey[m]
so of the list of like 295 white public nodes listed in the daemon how do we know which of those are available to use with a wallet? or are all of them? thanks
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pizdabolus[m]
hi