in theory you should only need one

IDK in practice

Not sure if this info means helps but it takes a good couple minutes for monerod status to come back with an answer

* Not sure if this info helps but it takes a good couple minutes for monerod status to come back with an answer

One should be enough, it'll just pull everything from that one, it'll be slower.

Two is better since it can interleave pull and process.

I noticed on my last sync_info query that only 1 of the peers I am connected to is at the current xmr block height, the rest are like 1 million blocks behind.

But that 1 peer I have 112mb queued

So maybe that's why it was going quickly for the first bit because I was syncing with all the peers who were 1.4million height and less

Then when I hit that mark I switched to only using the 1 peer..

Question is I guess why are there nodes that are so far behind and how do you prevent from connecting to them

They're the lying nodes.

You can't simply drop nodes behind you or new nodes could never sync.

Ok well I guess theres not much I can do then

I will set the record for longest sync though

did you delete p2pstat.bin?

p2pstate.bin*

Yes

and you are back with these nodes?

Yes

p2pstate.bin inside the data dir?

Yes but I can try it again

did you also restart the daemon?

Yes

Trying again

just synced 16,200 blocks on my 3900X machine while it was mining

cpu usage was ~8% so one core

it took 95 min = 170 blocks/min

SSD was at most 3% usage

3900x? nice.

:)

New CPU's coming out soon though!

(sorry for hijacking the convo)

Jealous :P

Just waiting for the daemon to stop it's taking a long time

Every command I give to monerod takes like 10 min

Must be because it's busy syncing or something

That can't be due to the peers.

Maybe playing with the db sync mode would help.

But faster == less safe.

I think at your stage, you might take faster :D

Haha well how is it less safe?

It's normally good, but might corrupt the db on OS crash or power loss.

Oh I thought you meant from a privacy or security perspective

--db-sync fastest:async:1000000000bytes

I'm ok with that risk

I already had the db corrupt once on a power loss lol

Sorry:

--db-sync-mode fastest:async:1000000000bytes

Copy the db first, so you have somehting to start back from if it goes again.

(while monerod is not running)

ok thanks im goin for it!

You can also try: ban 51.0.0.0/8 and ban 54.0.0.0/8

That takes care of a good slice of the asshole nodes.

But with a fair amount of collateral of course. When you've synced, unban.

XD ok

sons of bitches

get outta here asshoe nods

!

does it matter that the system clock on monerod doesn't match my local time?

Yes, unless by a few minutes.

er

It's off by a few hours

If your system time is off by more than, say, 30 minutes from NTP time, it's bad.

How do I fix that?

If it's just your local time as adjusted by timezone, it's fine. UNIX time is what counts.

date --utc

Should be ~1:24

Oh ok that's right then

I dont see this command in the help list: --db-sync-mode fastest:async:1000000000bytes

Or do I just run monerod with that after it?

yes

./monerod --data-dir <path> --db-sync-mode fastest:async:1000000000bytes

Ok does this look good?

Yes

perfect

Sync with out_peers at default on 3700X/16GB/1TB NVMe SSD:

Sync time: 590.647 min, idle time 71.2448%, 70988.6 + 318.8 MB downloaded, 5.07672% old spans, 0.00153747% bad spans

So ~4h with out_peers set to 50, and 10h with out_peers set to 8 0.0

sethsimmons: just curious, is that without any incoming peers?

yes, both without any incoming peers.

Rerunning with out_peers 50 with sync-info:INFO to get the same data for that, curious how it compares (and curious if its under 4h again).

I'm surprised at the speedup.

what's that sync data from?

Guess you have a blazing cpu.

he said 3700X, i think that qualifies

I see numbers.

AMD R73700X, 8c16t

cpu shouldn't matter that much until after last checkpoint, surely

Seems like network is by far the bottleneck, and increasing out_peers has a very large impact

But will continue wrecking my SSD to test some more :D

Blazing SSD then :D

hmm lemme try more peers

I guess monerod could detect when it's starving and temp increase num out connections.

I was running with exclusive lan node and that doesn't seem that fast

What's with the recent increase in hashrate, it skyrocketed, anyone know?

We're just testing.

lol

never used IRC before

Never too late to fix that :)

Someone mentioned xmrig on 40k machines.

And beefy ones.

dang

<moneromooo "Blazing SSD then :D"> Sandisk 970 EVO NVMe, 1TB

sandisk

sandisk or samsung?

seemed like it might be an attempt to get 51% of the hashrate

i thought EVO was samsung

<ndorf "sandisk or samsung?"> Sorry Samsung

Brain is fried 😅

those things are wicked fast

maybe it's the result of the IRS's query? super expensive if so...

Pro is faster 😢

about 3x as fast as my CPU can decrypt, lol. money well spent

pro is faster sustained writes

marginally faster reads than non plus evo

i'm now wishing i'd bought the crucial one for 1/2 the price

So... for the NSA hten.

my little cpu seems mostly idle still at 30 peers

maybe I need better peers

That's what every defendent thinks when they're told htey'll be judged by a jury of their peers

<ndorf "about 3x as fast as my CPU can d"> Well worth it for sure, love it.

Interestingly enough sync times are about equal between that and my crappy old Intel 660p/TR1950X/32GB rig

yeah i got something like 3.5GB/s raw read and 1.1GB/s through dm-crypt... rude awakening

Both around 3h45m with out_peers at 50

been at least a decade since the actual performance of disk encryption was even a remote concern

forgot all about that

@moneromooo: Alright I got those addresses banned and launched monerod with the fastest sync mode

Now I have 3/8 peers that are at the correct block height

And according to Status I will be synced in 2.4 months :D

er, 20 peers

Only have 23mb queued from 2 peers

Seems to be commands for monerod get progressively slower the longer it runs

Doesn't seems like those changes had an effect unfortunately

sethsimmons: I guess with 8 peers it depends on how lucky you get with them.

Would it make more sense for me to just download the blockchain from getmonero.org?

You could setup a small VPS and host a node on it :)

hey 50 peers got my cpu up to 100

Don’t think I’ve been anywhere close to that, but I haven’t kept a close eye on it past like 60% sync

<•luigi1111w> "my little cpu"

sethsimmons: ^^

are there any 'trusted' nodes I could connect to while waiting for the sync or not really?

Can always use node.xmr.to or node.Moneroworld.com

I used node.xmr.to today and it worked great while I was testing node sync times.

The only data they would see would be your ip address right?

They wouldn't see your secret view key or addresses would they?

No, just what blocks you’re requesting along with your IP address IIRC

correct

6700T

Is all I have to do put node.xmr.to and 18081 into the bootstrap part of the gui and then restart the daemon?

I did it in the gui and cli

looks like 5:30 ish

is github/hyc/cpuminer-multi a good one to use?

i dont need a gui or anything

er limit up is set to 2mBps or something, I see

now cpu runs at 100

ill be back later, i need to add more memory to this box so i run quad channel

luigi1111w: 6700T + ssd + 50 peers ?

nah back to local peer

75% done after 1hr

75% is NOT an interesting benchmark :P

syncing monero is like a software project "now we are 80% done"

heh

monero block chain is very busy, it took me forever to sync the last 10%

but my drive a slow

I wonder how much of the activity on the block chain is just government-backed firms fucking around with transactions

if it is the IRS then it makes it that much more difficult for russian and chinese intelligence

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

not that they are competent anyway

sync past the last checkpoint will be heavily cpu dependent, and not that interesting to me

for this case anyway

heh yeah that is also one of the things that impact actual sync time. I remember being thrown off by it taking a good deal longer when I re-ran the sync at a later time (with more blocks past the last checkpoint ...)

yup, but there's not really any games you can play with peers and networking

it's just cpu time

it might explode on the last 2k blocks

right to 200% usage

final time 2:20

aahhh what's happening with the hashrate again

Hi, not sure if I can do this here, but can anyone on the group give me some more info on Monero? How good, user experience, etc? I am wanting to buy but have no idea of Crypto currencies and checked out the website, but don't understand half the terminology.

wolfkeeper[m] - can recommend the Monero Monitor podcast - has a lot of good intro content. If you're new to crypto, it's probably worth getting clear with the innovation around Bitcoin - and for that the analysis of the whitepaper in Monero Monitor episode 7 is good.

if you're builidng a tree of knowledge, start with Bitcoin, then later things like ring signatures, stealth addresses, confidential transactions etc. will have more context

Thank you for the advise. where can I find Monero Monitor podcast and the Episode 7 of the whitepaper? Sorry, very new...

<john_r365 "wolfkeeper - can recommend the M"> Thanks for the advise. where can I find Monero Monitor podcast and the Episode 7 of the whitepaper? Sorry, very new...

It's an old project, and Mike doesn't maintain it anymore - he's been busy working with NASA (no joke) - but you can find it on Sticher amongst other things stitcher.com/podcast/the-monero-monitor-podcast

Once you're a bit more comfortable with the core innovations around Bitcoin - you might then find the Mastering Monero book interesting, for understanding the improvements Monero has added - see masteringmonero.com

If you're not already active on the Monero Subreddits, take a look at reddit.com/r/monero (search it for questions) and for asking basic support questions see reddit.com/r/monerosupport/

<john_r365 "If you're not already active on "> Awesome thanks! Phew lots of research!

hello together. I have a question. I tried to run monerod from cli, and after 99% of syncing (took ages) I got this error message:

2020-10-14 05:33:14.797 [P2P8] ERROR default src/common/threadpool.cpp:170 Exception in threadpool job: mprotect failed

I ve been researching but I didnt find any solution... anybody knows what to do now? thank you for your help

Anyone mining on a r720 that want to share some tips with me?

probably goes for r710 too

i disabled 'hardware prefetcher' and 'adjacent cache line prefetch', anything more i should be aware of?

<wolfkeeper[m] "Hi, not sure if I can do this he"> User experience of Monero is quite smooth. I am mainly a bitcoin user, and the first things that struck me with monero are:

^ monero is so private even the UX is secret

<wolfkeeper[m] "Hi, not sure if I can do this he"> Just make sure to get a safe wallet that doesn't try to steal your money. Then play around with a small amount of money to learn how sending / receiving works. Other pointers you've got are great starts - Monero Subreddit, Mastering Monero book,... that book also provides a good comparison with how Bitcoin works in the first chapters.

which is the site that swap monero/bitcoin

xmr.to ?

or morphtoken for the other direction

morphtoken

thnx

I'm still getting crashes in my monerod :-(

morphtoken is for monero >bitcoin not the opposite?

with 0.17

same as 0.16

moneromooo: did you resolve the crash in the networking code?

I don't remember a crash in the networking code.

Do you have a stack trace ?

:-/

17:29 < rah> looks like it's segfaulting in epee::net_utils::network_address::serialize_map

I don't have a stack trace to hand, no

you sent me a patch

Hmm, that does ring a slight bell...

which dumped a load of debugging output

Oh. Great. That'd be why I don't remember. Async message passing :D

Do you have the ouptut ?

Also, what architecture ?

:-/

I already sent you the output

Then I guess it was not enough. Did you try runnig with ASAN ?

New CLI/GUI v0.17.1.0 release is out -> reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/jb0vo9…_gui_v01710_oxygen_orion_released/?

moneromooo: I did but it wouldn't compile

14:09 < rah> /usr/bin/ld: ../../contrib/epee/src/libepee.a(net_helper.cpp.o): TLS transition from R_X86_64_TLSGD to R_X86_64_GOTTPOFF against `_ZN5boost4asio6detail15keyword_tss_ptrINS1_10call_stackINS1_15task_io_serviceENS1_27task_io_service_thread_infoEE7contextEE6value_E' at 0x176f in section

14:09 < rah> `.text._ZN5boost4asio6detail15task_io_service3runERNS_6system10error_codeE[_ZN5boost4asio6detail15task_io_service3runERNS_6system10error_codeE]' failed

14:09 < rah> /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: Nonrepresentable section on output

14:10 < moneromooo> That's no fun. Might need CLANG, IIRC some versions of GCC cause similar issues.

Hrm. OK, whe ndoes it crash ? Right at startup, or later ?

14:36 < rah> moneromooo: I have clang installed

later

around once a minute

OK, then try building with -g -O0.

Let me find out where exactly to put those...

Looks like make debug does it.

Then we might get a useful stack trace.

the stack trace was of no use before, I'm not sure why you expect it to be of use now

I guess I told you to add printfs all around that function alreayd ?

Because I did not know it was not useful.

that was the patch you sent me

we've already been down this road

I don't remember what we did or did not do, I said so earlier.

we got to the point where I was trying to compile with ASAN and I got the above compiler error and then I got no further response from you

That's because I have no idea how to fix it :)

you could have said so

Except maybr try anoher compiler or linker.

I think it would be better to file a bug

Where can I buy new shoes with monero?

Indeed.

If you pay a high enough premium, you can ask anyone to buy and sell you shoes ^_^

Maybe building boost with asan would also help.

Just guessing from the error message though.

moneromooo: if you agree that it would be better to file a bug, why did you suggest doing something different?

Last blog on testnet is half an hour old. Is thisthe reason for the discussion going on?

What did I suggest ?

I just realized something, you know the dogecoin meme that 1 DOGE = 1 DOGE? Well because Monero is fungible, that's actually true about Monero because 1 Monero always = 1 Monero

14:49 < moneromooo> Except maybr try anoher compiler or linker.

Because it stands a reasonable chance of working.,

Guess, again.

moneromooo: so you don't agree that it would be better to file a bug?

It would be better to file a bug than not.

moneromooo: if you agree that it would be better to file a bug, why did you suggest doing something different?

One more line from /ignore. Because one may do several things, they are not incompatible.

dickhead

as if filing a bug and trying another compiler or linker were mutually exclusive

copenhagen_bram[: of course they're not mutually exclusive but rather than recognising his inability to help further, saying as much, and taking it to the next step of filing a bug, moneromooo chose to spit out some inane shot-in-the-dark suggestions

there's a backtrace and a specific line of code where monerod fails

which is a pretty strong position to be able to fix it

but rather than suggest presenting that information to more knowledgable developers, moneromooo thinks it's best to spend shit loads of time faffing around with fucking compilers

of course, I'm the real dickhead for not recognising what was going on sooner

Are you a dev?

what do you mean?

Are you a C++ dev?

what do you mean?

I can write C++ if that's what you're asking

Well mooo is monero’s main dev and he probably has the best knowledge over the whole codebase (also wrote a huge part of it), so if someone can fix the issue most likely he can. So I find it interesting that you call his suggestions inane, as if you would know it better.

*facepalm*

selsta: that this guy is the main dev of monero is, to me, a very bad sign for monero

lol

to be clear: I'm a professional software engineer and I've been writing C++ (amongst many other languages) for about 20 years

why don’t you fix it yourself?

exactly!

because I was busy following inane fucking suggestions from dickheads on IRC

although now I'm thinking that if the main monero developer can't fix this problem with the information I've given to him then perhaps it would be better to stop using monero

no one cares if you stop using monero

the feeling is mutual

What's the problem? How serious is it?

copenhagen_bram[: why are you asking?

copenhagen_bram[: I'm not going to bother investing time and energy in cooperative debugging with someone else who's going to waste my time

rah, if there is a reproducible crash after you compiled a valid binary, the only place your issue belongs is in a bug report.

TheCharlatan: I know right!

TheCharlatan: you'd expect the main monero developer to suggest that wouldn't you!

Well, if it's a security risk I'd like to know about it.

software dev for 20 years yet doesn't know how to open an issue

w0w

dsc_: twat

There are many peole coming here with usually trivial to fix issues, so no, if they come here, I would give the same answers he has.

rah: xoxo

Hey I know how to submit an issue, or at least I think I do. I know I've seen worse issues than I make on some repos. And I'm not a developer.

TheCharlatan: what's special about "here" that makes your answers different to some other medium, like the bugtracker?

If someone can tell me about this bug/problem, I could reproduce it and make an issue myself, on the github repo.

In the meantime, I'll scroll up and see what I can find about the problem.

copenhagen_bram[: why the fuck would I spend the time and effort conveying the problem to another person and getting them to reproduce it and file a bug, rather than just filing a bug myself?

Why is this asshole not kicked out yet?

<rah "copenhagen_bram: why the fuck wo"> I see your point, I apologize.

<ErCiccione1 "Why is this asshole not kicked o"> can we be respectful? maybe they're just frusterated right now.

frustrated*

Don't care if they are frustrated. They behave nicely with others or they can go somewhere else

There is no "they" in FOSS, only you. Want something done/fixed, do it yourself. If you need help, be welcoming of none/any you get.

Well, if anyone needs someone to talk to, to chill out or vent or something, my DMs are open.

Is this the linux mailing list, or why are you cursing?

That's all I can do to help.

> the linux mailing list

lol. I guess coding can be frustrating.

dsc_: there are many people on IRC who present themselves as being helpful when really they only seek to boost their own ego

##psychology

IIRC. we've been minimizing our use of Boost as of late.

for compile time reasons (?)

dsc_: more often than not, those people are just a drain and actually serve to retard progress rather than help

dsc_: in other words, there are many people in "FOSS" who are unhelpful and I feel no obligation whatsoever to tolerate them

also, I was using the word they as a gender neutral pronoun

"gender neutral"

rah: ignored.

oh noes!

i was kicked out because of "gender neutral"

wait what?

wat

how to connect to node for avoiding to download all blockchain

sorry for using that phrase, but i don't know what pronouns rah prefers

takel: using wallet and remote node

or prune blockchain

What's happening to this chat? Nobody got kicked as far as i can see

Idk lol

copenhagen_bram: english has only a few pronounce... you me he she it they. Only two of them have gender (he and she) and what's common now is to avoid gender by saying "they" for singular

Weird day in #monero

Can we stay mildly on topic?

yes

also if you were kicked for saying gender neutral, why weren't you kicked again for saying it again?

ok what gender is monero?

<sethsimmons "Can we stay mildly on topic?"> ?

I think monero is masculine because of the big M

it's male, if it were female it'd be called monerino as per esperanto grammar

copenhagen_bram: Nobody got kicked. Don't know why they are claiming that

I've seen that a few times.

-!- takel [0595ffb2⊙5] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]

fair enough

People just assume malice rather then their own fault :)

yeah me neither

Or ISP or whatever.

Jesus christ

if someone gets kicked on IRC does the Matrix room say X was kicked?

Try it :D

Oh, needs an op...

copenhagen_bram: it should

*theysus christ

Well I know if I were kicked it give me a big "You've been kicked"

sometimes an IRC user leaves the chat in a way that the matrix bridge doesn't notice, and so bridges chats often have irc ghosts in them

but I don't know exactly under which conditions that happens

But I mean if someone on IRC kicks someone on IRC, does it show up correctly on Matrix?

it should

yay ghosts, i always knew this place was haunted

no is just that "gender neutral" is cia invention

all matrix chats are full of dead nicks

oh btw jolan tru marmulak

what is jolan tru

it's a romulan greeting

wasn't it Romulan insurgents?

oh yes

because we're both in the star trek matrix room and I think your name sounds romulan

ohhh

it's Persian actually, but it would be cool to know Romulan

I did a few Klingon lessons on Duolingo but that's it

it's persian?? :o

yes 🦎

oh cool

do lots of star trek fans use monero?

99% of them

wow

<Inge- "Is Atomic Wallet another one of "> They claim it is Open Source, but had not released source code AFAICT:

faircoin sounds more star treky though

although i can imagine romulans using monero for the rare occasions where they make trades with ferengi

makes sense

privacy is dead in the federation, the senior officers can ask the computer where you were, and the ship probably records your voice commands as well as what you do in the holodeck

federation credits ftw

there was an ENT episode where t'pol sent an encrypted letter to her friend and the Enterprise officers decrypted it

so it's like the present

or goldpressedlatinum

GPL coin

should copyrght that

you mean so you can make a gold pressed latinum cryptocurrency? because it's already been done, i saw it somewhere once

well, privacy on board a starship seems pretty unreasonable

yeah

that's like having privacy in a city

it's basically a military vessel, nobody really should be attending to "personal matters"

You likely want to allow *some* of that on a long hail military vessel, for morale.

haul*

it's even worse on DS9 because the software is cardassian and the cardassian government is inspired by 1984

and the issues inherent with proprietary software are apparent to chief obrien every day

Federation citizens only use credits when trading with inhabitants of non federation planets

Yes I googled it lol

sound's like they're a moneyless society except they force you to use money if you're poor

So monero will be dead by 2161

"We're a moneyless society! Oh wait, you're not part of the Federation? That'll be 999.99 Federation Credits for this replicator. We don't force anyone to join the Federation, but oh my, those Klingons over there are looking really pillagey today."

and the compute can be used for science instead like GRC :)

* "We're a moneyless society! Oh wait, you're not part of the Federation? That'll be 999.99 Federation Credits for this replicator. We don't force anyone to join the Federation, but oh my, those Klingons over there are looking really pillagey today. Be a real shame if we couldn't protect your planet because it's not part of the Federation."

A tribble is 10 credits so 999 for a replication seems like a bargain

It cost 122,200 credits to train spock in starfleet

the tribbles are 999.99 a piece since the Klingons killed them all.

Unless you're in Starfleet, then you can get time traveled Tribbles for free.

Access to a stable wormhole runs to millions of credits

or a few slips of latinum

Bars most likely

here's the gold pressed latinum crypto

You stole my idea and knocked up that webpage already, nice work lol

Of course there's a star trek shitcoin

i didn't make that website, it's been around for a while

someone else came up with your idea before you did

Damn time travellers :)

call the temperal agents!

Instead of a Sports Almanac people will want a guild to all crypro currency launch dates and peak prices in the future.... erm past

guide

great scott!

Doc when he finds out how much power it takes to mine Bitcoin with an ASIC: Great Scott! 1.21 Gigawatts!

Back to cramming ESXi 7.0 onto a unsupported cpu 6.5 host, Just lost half hour of my life lol

"Doc, where's your proof of work?" "Proof of work?? Where we're going, we don't need proof of work."

If you went back to before bitcoin was founded and launched Monero instead would the crypto boom be better or would it never have happened ?

I noticed Monero recognizes when it's running on Tails, is it possible to sync the Monero blockchain to space on an external hard drive, while running it on Tails?

and would the present change or create an alternate timeline ?

depends on which version of Monero you release

the present that is here now rather than the one you would return to

OK

later ones probably wouldnt compile anyway

copenhagen_bram[: possible yes, but a bit complicated to setup and probably going to take ages to sync

if you went back to before Bitcoin was created and released the current version of Monero, it would be like introducing an expensive compound bow with accessories to people who are trying to make a bow out of wood and bark strings

And I'm not saying Monero is the car and Bitcoin is the horse or something like that, if you released the current version of Bitcoin back then it would be the same thing.

probably result in temporal police from the future tossing you into a black hole

Which is more profitable, manufacturing and selling bitcoin mining devices, or buying them and mining bitcoin with them?

Why not manufacturing, mining with them, and then selling them?

That’s what they do anyways, and is the best way to profit 😉

Tax them. Even better.

Imagine how much profit the IRS will make if they can tax Monero

copenhagen_bram[: yeah but if you could pay taxes in monero (and your accountant) then i think most people would pay ... a lot of people are not fundamentally opposed to taxation, at least within their own jurisdictions!

dEBRUYNE thanks for the info. i knew about ringCT activation i guess i didnt realzie how old these utxo were

Hey, maybe i could get a bunch of people to start sending an extra percentage of their taxes in Monero for as long as the IRS doesn't crack its privacy.

lol

hi, I was running 0.17.01 without issues. Updated to 0.17.1.0 and now can't do any transfers. I'm trying the CLI right now and it says "Error: Reason: double spend, invalid input"

is there some command I can use to refresh it? I tried using "refresh" but it didn't fix this

rescan_spent will work. And update to 0.17.1.0 then rescant_spent once, that bug is fixed.

from the rpc I got "E daemon_send_resp.status != CORE_RPC_STATUS_OK. THROW EXCEPTION: error::tx_rejected"

ok let me try, thank you

I requested it over rpc but was taking so long I ^C it, I hope it's ok to just do it again?

It is.

Update first though, otherwise you'l have to do it every time you load your wallet.

yes, I updated already. In another wallet I did it via cli and it looks fine now

actually if I tried loading the wallet with 0.17.0.1 in this other one where rescan_spent is taking long I get an error, let me see

W Failed to open portable binary, trying unportable followed by E Wallet initialization failed: basic_string::_M_replace_aux

Typically, wallet caches are incompatible going back

So 0.17.0.1 -> 0.17.1.0 works, but 0.17.1.0 -> 0.17.0.1 doesn't

all good now. Interesting that rescan_spent via rpc was taking very long so I did it using the cli again, and it completed much faster

monero-wallet-cli splits calls in bunches of... 200 I think... key images.

Though actually that should also be the case if you go via monero-wallet-rpc since that also goes through wallet2.

I used curl, would that make a difference?

Possibly the first time was busy loading pages from disk, the second one used cahced data.

No.

Well, maybe. But it should not AFAIK :)

I don't know, I tried twice via rpc and it was about 5 minutes in before I canceled. Then did it once using the cli, I think it took about 2 minutes. Didn't measure though

thanks again, see you around

hi, my monero gui is in this state where it is 'closing' the wallet for the last 10 minutes

this is 0.17.1 appimage

0.17.0.1 or 0.17.1.0 ?

you can kill it with your task manager

selsta: 17.1.0

sorry, 0.17.1.0

ok, i killed it and restarted it. It is syncing a lot of blocks, can I change it to a bootstrap node to speed that up?

Are you Micah Lee?

no

Ah ok.

are you?

micah: are you syncing a local node?

selsta: unsure, i'm just trying to get to my wallet so I can make a transaction

Can you go to Settings -> Info and say what is says under "wallet mode"

selsta: it says 'Simple mode'

How many blocks are remaining?

1119474

Are you restoring a wallet? If yes, did you a wallet creation height?

set*

selsta: no, i'm creating a new hardware wallet

i have a 'software' wallet that was sync'd, so i was a bit surprised to see it needs to resync

Okay, what does it say on Settings -> Info for wallet restore height

selsta: 2187886

its actually going quite fast here now

micah: yea it should only take a couple minutes

Can the wallet restore height be used to identify/fingerprint you if you use it to restore a wallet while using Tor?

If I'm using a 0.17 GUI and node, will my transactions use the CLSAG improvements now, or do they only kick in after the fork?

After the fork

Thanks :)

Would you ever be weary about putting your monero address publicly somewhere?

I mean, in a way where it's tied to your name

Given privacy is a concern of Monero in general

riceandbeans: as long as you don't also putting it somewhere tied to another identity, why not?

nope

make a subaddress, subaccount or even whole new wallet otherwise.

jsut dont mix streams. ^

Yeah, I suppose if I learned anything from Ghostbusters ( or the military ), you don't cross streams. :P

But, I don't know how you would make a subaccount or subaddress

I write some Rust that checks my current earnings from minexmr based on my wallet, then pulls current xmr values from cryptonator, then prints out current xmr balance and fiat value into my tmux status bar

if you use the CLI, `address new` or `account new`, respectively

address new for a subaddress, account new for a new account.

i don't know about the GUI, but i would think it would be kind of obviuous there?

I was thinking about throwing it up onto my github but then I was like....well......it has my address...though I could trivially remove that part and make it an argument to be passed in

I don't do GUIs, ever.

Oh, OI think the GUI does not support extra accounts.

I live in a terminal.

What's the difference between a subaddress vs subaccount?

moneromooo: hmm, ok. but it supports regular subaddresses?

riceandbeans: accounts are actually just subaddresses, but the balance is kept separate

I guess to that note, is there canon I should be aware of?

I *think* it does.

moneromooo: gui does support accounts

it did not initially

OK

Since I probably sound overly ignorant, what would be good reading material?

Mastering Monero

masteringmonero.com book or free PDF

Now featuring markdown...

even better!

Would you say minexmr is one of the more popular pools?

yes. it and supportxmr are the two biggest ones. it would be better if you chose a smaller pool, to help decentralization

Would it not also mean that I would make less money though because of lower computing power?

no. you don't make any money from other people's computing power

Damn. Foiled again.

But, in defense of your position, what would be a smaller one that would be trustworthy?

...which also means I need to change my whole Rust app :\

i personally have been mining on moneroocean.stream for like a year and am pretty satisfied

But, I guess I could make it so that you can specify what pool and have it use the right API based on that...

not sure what you mean, all the pools generally use the same API, you just point your miner at the pool's URL

Oy, why do they have their own fork of xmrig?

you don't have to use their fork

they have a feature that when certain shitcoins are more profitable to mine than monero, it switches to those temporarily

they handle the exchange for you though, and pay you in XMR still

the fork just supports more of these shitcoins than the official xmrig, i think that's the only difference

That's......interesting...

they also don't charge a pool fee

Curious, what you'd regard as a shitcoin

Also how they make money without a fee

Also are they PPLNS?

i think they make their money on the shitcoin exchange rates

Hmm

re- what is a shitcoin, anything other than Monero :)

:)

Loki, Haven and other XMR forks are what i've seen my (CPU-only) miner do

I still like a few coins other than Monero for various reasons.

XRP and XLM because they don't have transaction fees and are damn near instantaneous

shitcoins are how moneroocean's own docs describe it, i'm just the messenger :)

When I send XRP or XLM across acounts I get the coins in my wallet before the emails can even be sent by the company's

I'm impressed by that.

I like XTZ for the idea that you can have a say in it and get paid interest for holding onto it.

No comment about any of those, but you can't mine them anyway

You bake XTZ

lol, really?

That's the term...

haha

If you have ( or can pool ) 10,000 of them you get interest on it from the network

but it's ONLY 10k of them

So if you have like 19,000, you're better off delegating your 9,000 to someone to help out and you still get your 10k

It kind of encourages team building in that way

No idea why they decided to call it baking though

um

To note, delegation doesn't mean you lose your 9,000 in that case

why wouldn't i just create two accounts and stake 10k in each of them?

No

:)

If you had 20k you could earn on 20k

ah

if you ONLY had 19k, you could only earn for 10k, but you could earn a percentage by delegating your 9k

But it's a bit of an investment

i'm not so sure about the whole proof of stake thing, but hey, whatever floats your boat

I mean you figure it's like, $2.5ish per, and you need 10k to make money off it, so you're talking like a $25k investment

I just think it's interesting.

I like XTZ way more than BTC

I make the most money off USDC though

moneromooo> Damn. Foiled again. <= you *almost* had 'em this time.

I just need to convince Celsius to start paying for XMR...

riceandbeans: how's that? loan it out or something?

ndorf: There's a company called Celsius that pays interest in crypto on your crypto

So, I make 11.55% annual, paid weekly, on USDC...

I have 5 figures in there so it makes an ok amount.

I mean, 3 figures a month for letting it sit there in interest is decent, to me.

not bad, i suppose. i probably wouldn't want to take the risk their smart contract is actually broken and lose all my money

Yeah, that would be pretty bad

i'm assuming it's a smart contract. if it's custodial then lol

Well, it's all done through a phone app so I have no idea how they implemented it on the backend

But one of their things is that you stake crypto for fiat loans at low rates and they make money off that that they also use to pay back out to people staking their crypto

I don't know if it could be a smart contract given that it's all kinds of crypto they take, from xrp to usdc to btc to matic

so you transferred 5 figures to some phone app that you don't even know how it works? :o

I made magical money I've sent back to my accounts and rebuild more than once

lol

I'm sure Uncle Sam is going to beat me senseless next year though.

you got balls kid, i'll give you that :)

glad it worked out for you

personally i'd never do that

I have systems mining xmr that would've been online anyway, but if I factor the cost to run the systems, it's cost me way more than it's made :\

I still think xmr is cool, but it realistically hasn't MADE me any money

usually better to buy than to mine

^

I am currently mining

I can afford to do so because I bought

I do a bunch of dev work and have stuff floating around on VPS that mine 24/7

In 6 months, I've made less than 0.7xmr

VPS operator probably won't be happy when they find that out

though, i guess if they haven't caught on yet, they must really not be paying attention, lol

a new ryzen actually makes money even with a high elec rate but the ROI will never happen

although I do get a discounted very nice comp