00:03:11 in theory you should only need one 00:03:19 IDK in practice 00:18:11 Not sure if this info means helps but it takes a good couple minutes for monerod status to come back with an answer 00:18:34 * Not sure if this info helps but it takes a good couple minutes for monerod status to come back with an answer 00:35:11 One should be enough, it'll just pull everything from that one, it'll be slower. 00:35:31 Two is better since it can interleave pull and process. 00:36:07 I noticed on my last sync_info query that only 1 of the peers I am connected to is at the current xmr block height, the rest are like 1 million blocks behind. 00:36:27 But that 1 peer I have 112mb queued 00:36:58 So maybe that's why it was going quickly for the first bit because I was syncing with all the peers who were 1.4million height and less 00:37:08 Then when I hit that mark I switched to only using the 1 peer.. 00:38:00 Question is I guess why are there nodes that are so far behind and how do you prevent from connecting to them 00:42:55 They're the lying nodes. 00:43:13 You can't simply drop nodes behind you or new nodes could never sync. 00:52:12 Ok well I guess theres not much I can do then 00:52:18 I will set the record for longest sync though 00:53:11 did you delete p2pstat.bin? 00:53:17 p2pstate.bin* 00:53:28 Yes 00:53:40 and you are back with these nodes? 00:53:47 Yes 00:54:12 p2pstate.bin inside the data dir? 00:54:40 Yes but I can try it again 00:54:52 did you also restart the daemon? 00:54:59 Yes 00:56:06 Trying again 01:01:11 just synced 16,200 blocks on my 3900X machine while it was mining 01:01:26 cpu usage was ~8% so one core 01:01:33 it took 95 min = 170 blocks/min 01:02:27 SSD was at most 3% usage 01:03:26 3900x? nice. 01:03:40 * dsc_ touches nioc 01:03:48 :) 01:04:01 New CPU's coming out soon though! 01:04:05 (sorry for hijacking the convo) 01:13:53 Jealous :P 01:14:05 Just waiting for the daemon to stop it's taking a long time 01:14:41 Every command I give to monerod takes like 10 min 01:15:15 Must be because it's busy syncing or something 01:15:17 That can't be due to the peers. 01:15:48 Maybe playing with the db sync mode would help. 01:15:56 But faster == less safe. 01:16:09 I think at your stage, you might take faster :D 01:16:28 Haha well how is it less safe? 01:16:51 It's normally good, but might corrupt the db on OS crash or power loss. 01:17:26 Oh I thought you meant from a privacy or security perspective 01:17:28 --db-sync fastest:async:1000000000bytes 01:17:30 I'm ok with that risk 01:17:40 I already had the db corrupt once on a power loss lol 01:17:41 Sorry: 01:17:43 --db-sync-mode fastest:async:1000000000bytes 01:18:02 Copy the db first, so you have somehting to start back from if it goes again. 01:18:17 (while monerod is not running) 01:18:25 ok thanks im goin for it! 01:19:19 You can also try: ban 51.0.0.0/8 and ban 54.0.0.0/8 01:19:29 That takes care of a good slice of the asshole nodes. 01:19:47 But with a fair amount of collateral of course. When you've synced, unban. 01:19:48 XD ok 01:19:52 sons of bitches 01:20:14 get outta here asshoe nods 01:20:30 ! 01:22:31 does it matter that the system clock on monerod doesn't match my local time? 01:22:54 Yes, unless by a few minutes. 01:23:00 er 01:23:19 It's off by a few hours 01:23:22 If your system time is off by more than, say, 30 minutes from NTP time, it's bad. 01:23:41 How do I fix that? 01:23:43 If it's just your local time as adjusted by timezone, it's fine. UNIX time is what counts. 01:23:51 date --utc 01:24:09 Should be ~1:24 01:24:33 Oh ok that's right then 01:33:15 I dont see this command in the help list: --db-sync-mode fastest:async:1000000000bytes 01:33:36 Or do I just run monerod with that after it? 01:37:03 yes 01:39:48 ./monerod --data-dir --db-sync-mode fastest:async:1000000000bytes 01:39:54 Ok does this look good? 01:40:12 Yes 01:40:28 perfect 01:42:15 Sync with out_peers at default on 3700X/16GB/1TB NVMe SSD: 01:42:15 Sync time: 590.647 min, idle time 71.2448%, 70988.6 + 318.8 MB downloaded, 5.07672% old spans, 0.00153747% bad spans 01:42:32 So ~4h with out_peers set to 50, and 10h with out_peers set to 8 0.0 01:43:01 sethsimmons: just curious, is that without any incoming peers? 01:43:10 yes, both without any incoming peers. 01:44:06 Rerunning with out_peers 50 with sync-info:INFO to get the same data for that, curious how it compares (and curious if its under 4h again). 01:44:13 I'm surprised at the speedup. 01:44:21 what's that sync data from? 01:44:23 Guess you have a blazing cpu. 01:44:39 he said 3700X, i think that qualifies 01:44:52 I see numbers. 01:45:19 AMD R73700X, 8c16t 01:45:21 cpu shouldn't matter that much until after last checkpoint, surely 01:45:41 Seems like network is by far the bottleneck, and increasing out_peers has a very large impact 01:45:48 But will continue wrecking my SSD to test some more :D 01:46:00 Blazing SSD then :D 01:46:13 hmm lemme try more peers 01:46:18 I guess monerod could detect when it's starving and temp increase num out connections. 01:46:44 I was running with exclusive lan node and that doesn't seem that fast 01:46:45 What's with the recent increase in hashrate, it skyrocketed, anyone know? 01:46:58 We're just testing. 01:47:04 lol 01:47:14 never used IRC before 01:47:25 Never too late to fix that :) 01:47:43 Someone mentioned xmrig on 40k machines. 01:47:52 And beefy ones. 01:47:59 dang 01:48:35 Sandisk 970 EVO NVMe, 1TB 01:48:47 sandisk 01:48:51 sandisk or samsung? 01:48:52 seemed like it might be an attempt to get 51% of the hashrate 01:49:00 i thought EVO was samsung 01:49:04 Sorry Samsung 01:49:12 Brain is fried 😅 01:49:15 those things are wicked fast 01:49:20 maybe it's the result of the IRS's query? super expensive if so... 01:49:26 Pro is faster 😢 01:49:29 about 3x as fast as my CPU can decrypt, lol. money well spent 01:49:45 pro is faster sustained writes 01:50:09 marginally faster reads than non plus evo 01:50:10 i'm now wishing i'd bought the crucial one for 1/2 the price 01:50:11 So... for the NSA hten. 01:50:52 my little cpu seems mostly idle still at 30 peers 01:51:02 maybe I need better peers 01:52:02 That's what every defendent thinks when they're told htey'll be judged by a jury of their peers 01:52:27 Well worth it for sure, love it. 01:52:59 Interestingly enough sync times are about equal between that and my crappy old Intel 660p/TR1950X/32GB rig 01:53:20 yeah i got something like 3.5GB/s raw read and 1.1GB/s through dm-crypt... rude awakening 01:53:32 Both around 3h45m with out_peers at 50 01:53:34 been at least a decade since the actual performance of disk encryption was even a remote concern 01:53:37 forgot all about that 01:56:45 @moneromooo: Alright I got those addresses banned and launched monerod with the fastest sync mode 01:57:35 Now I have 3/8 peers that are at the correct block height 01:58:11 And according to Status I will be synced in 2.4 months :D 01:58:33 er, 20 peers 01:58:38 Only have 23mb queued from 2 peers 02:01:32 Seems to be commands for monerod get progressively slower the longer it runs 02:03:13 Doesn't seems like those changes had an effect unfortunately 02:05:57 sethsimmons: I guess with 8 peers it depends on how lucky you get with them. 02:06:59 Would it make more sense for me to just download the blockchain from getmonero.org? 02:10:05 You could setup a small VPS and host a node on it :) 02:17:33 hey 50 peers got my cpu up to 100 02:25:35 Don’t think I’ve been anywhere close to that, but I haven’t kept a close eye on it past like 60% sync 02:28:31 <•luigi1111w> "my little cpu" 02:29:54 sethsimmons: ^^ 02:37:13 are there any 'trusted' nodes I could connect to while waiting for the sync or not really? 02:38:23 Can always use node.xmr.to or node.Moneroworld.com 02:38:46 I used node.xmr.to today and it worked great while I was testing node sync times. 02:39:57 The only data they would see would be your ip address right? 02:40:40 They wouldn't see your secret view key or addresses would they? 02:41:02 No, just what blocks you’re requesting along with your IP address IIRC 02:41:15 correct 02:42:52 6700T 03:08:32 Is all I have to do put node.xmr.to and 18081 into the bootstrap part of the gui and then restart the daemon? 03:14:04 I did it in the gui and cli 03:50:22 looks like 5:30 ish 05:07:53 is github/hyc/cpuminer-multi a good one to use? 05:08:47 i dont need a gui or anything 05:15:45 er limit up is set to 2mBps or something, I see 05:16:09 now cpu runs at 100 05:35:11 ill be back later, i need to add more memory to this box so i run quad channel 06:22:16 luigi1111w: 6700T + ssd + 50 peers ? 06:22:29 nah back to local peer 06:22:54 75% done after 1hr 06:23:32 75% is NOT an interesting benchmark :P 06:24:00 syncing monero is like a software project "now we are 80% done" 06:28:21 heh 06:28:36 monero block chain is very busy, it took me forever to sync the last 10% 06:28:40 but my drive a slow 06:29:55 I wonder how much of the activity on the block chain is just government-backed firms fucking around with transactions 06:31:39 if it is the IRS then it makes it that much more difficult for russian and chinese intelligence 06:32:08 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 06:32:59 not that they are competent anyway 06:42:00 sync past the last checkpoint will be heavily cpu dependent, and not that interesting to me 06:42:32 for this case anyway 06:44:18 heh yeah that is also one of the things that impact actual sync time. I remember being thrown off by it taking a good deal longer when I re-ran the sync at a later time (with more blocks past the last checkpoint ...) 06:50:35 yup, but there's not really any games you can play with peers and networking 06:50:39 it's just cpu time 07:20:39 it might explode on the last 2k blocks 07:20:56 right to 200% usage 07:31:32 final time 2:20 07:35:12 aahhh what's happening with the hashrate again 08:28:12 Hi, not sure if I can do this here, but can anyone on the group give me some more info on Monero? How good, user experience, etc? I am wanting to buy but have no idea of Crypto currencies and checked out the website, but don't understand half the terminology. 08:31:12 wolfkeeper[m] - can recommend the Monero Monitor podcast - has a lot of good intro content. If you're new to crypto, it's probably worth getting clear with the innovation around Bitcoin - and for that the analysis of the whitepaper in Monero Monitor episode 7 is good. 08:33:50 if you're builidng a tree of knowledge, start with Bitcoin, then later things like ring signatures, stealth addresses, confidential transactions etc. will have more context 08:35:43 Thank you for the advise. where can I find Monero Monitor podcast and the Episode 7 of the whitepaper? Sorry, very new... 08:38:33 Thanks for the advise. where can I find Monero Monitor podcast and the Episode 7 of the whitepaper? Sorry, very new... 08:38:40 It's an old project, and Mike doesn't maintain it anymore - he's been busy working with NASA (no joke) - but you can find it on Sticher amongst other things https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-monero-monitor-podcast 08:40:08 Once you're a bit more comfortable with the core innovations around Bitcoin - you might then find the Mastering Monero book interesting, for understanding the improvements Monero has added - see https://masteringmonero.com/ 08:42:40 If you're not already active on the Monero Subreddits, take a look at reddit.com/r/monero (search it for questions) and for asking basic support questions see reddit.com/r/monerosupport/ 08:51:24 Awesome thanks! Phew lots of research! 09:00:47 hello together. I have a question. I tried to run monerod from cli, and after 99% of syncing (took ages) I got this error message: 09:00:59 2020-10-14 05:33:14.797 [P2P8] ERROR default src/common/threadpool.cpp:170 Exception in threadpool job: mprotect failed 09:01:32 I ve been researching but I didnt find any solution... anybody knows what to do now? thank you for your help 10:32:00 Anyone mining on a r720 that want to share some tips with me? 10:32:22 probably goes for r710 too 10:33:43 i disabled 'hardware prefetcher' and 'adjacent cache line prefetch', anything more i should be aware of? 12:10:03 User experience of Monero is quite smooth. I am mainly a bitcoin user, and the first things that struck me with monero are: 12:38:47 ^ monero is so private even the UX is secret 12:54:32 Just make sure to get a safe wallet that doesn't try to steal your money. Then play around with a small amount of money to learn how sending / receiving works. Other pointers you've got are great starts - Monero Subreddit, Mastering Monero book,... that book also provides a good comparison with how Bitcoin works in the first chapters. 13:29:17 which is the site that swap monero/bitcoin 13:29:30 xmr.to ? 13:29:47 or morphtoken for the other direction 13:31:03 morphtoken 13:31:06 thnx 13:31:12 I'm still getting crashes in my monerod :-( 13:31:46 morphtoken is for monero >bitcoin not the opposite? 13:31:52 with 0.17 13:31:59 same as 0.16 13:33:47 moneromooo: did you resolve the crash in the networking code? 13:35:21 I don't remember a crash in the networking code. 13:35:30 Do you have a stack trace ? 13:38:35 :-/ 13:39:10 17:29 < rah> looks like it's segfaulting in epee::net_utils::network_address::serialize_map 13:39:17 I don't have a stack trace to hand, no 13:39:27 you sent me a patch 13:39:28 Hmm, that does ring a slight bell... 13:39:38 which dumped a load of debugging output 13:39:56 Oh. Great. That'd be why I don't remember. Async message passing :D 13:40:01 Do you have the ouptut ? 13:40:28 Also, what architecture ? 13:41:15 :-/ 13:42:00 I already sent you the output 13:42:34 Then I guess it was not enough. Did you try runnig with ASAN ? 13:43:05 New CLI/GUI v0.17.1.0 release is out -> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/jb0vo9/cli_gui_v01710_oxygen_orion_released/? 13:44:06 moneromooo: I did but it wouldn't compile 13:44:34 14:09 < rah> /usr/bin/ld: ../../contrib/epee/src/libepee.a(net_helper.cpp.o): TLS transition from R_X86_64_TLSGD to R_X86_64_GOTTPOFF against `_ZN5boost4asio6detail15keyword_tss_ptrINS1_10call_stackINS1_15task_io_serviceENS1_27task_io_service_thread_infoEE7contextEE6value_E' at 0x176f in section 13:44:39 14:09 < rah> `.text._ZN5boost4asio6detail15task_io_service3runERNS_6system10error_codeE[_ZN5boost4asio6detail15task_io_service3runERNS_6system10error_codeE]' failed 13:44:42 14:09 < rah> /usr/bin/ld: final link failed: Nonrepresentable section on output 13:45:27 14:10 < moneromooo> That's no fun. Might need CLANG, IIRC some versions of GCC cause similar issues. 13:45:33 Hrm. OK, whe ndoes it crash ? Right at startup, or later ? 13:45:33 14:36 < rah> moneromooo: I have clang installed 13:45:58 later 13:46:14 around once a minute 13:46:38 OK, then try building with -g -O0. 13:46:45 Let me find out where exactly to put those... 13:47:24 Looks like make debug does it. 13:47:30 Then we might get a useful stack trace. 13:48:03 the stack trace was of no use before, I'm not sure why you expect it to be of use now 13:48:09 I guess I told you to add printfs all around that function alreayd ? 13:48:18 Because I did not know it was not useful. 13:48:23 that was the patch you sent me 13:48:29 we've already been down this road 13:48:47 I don't remember what we did or did not do, I said so earlier. 13:49:09 we got to the point where I was trying to compile with ASAN and I got the above compiler error and then I got no further response from you 13:49:22 That's because I have no idea how to fix it :) 13:49:47 you could have said so 13:49:48 Except maybr try anoher compiler or linker. 13:50:33 I think it would be better to file a bug 13:50:53 Where can I buy new shoes with monero? 13:50:57 Indeed. 13:51:21 If you pay a high enough premium, you can ask anyone to buy and sell you shoes ^_^ 13:53:06 Maybe building boost with asan would also help. 13:53:32 Just guessing from the error message though. 13:53:50 moneromooo: if you agree that it would be better to file a bug, why did you suggest doing something different? 13:53:56 Last blog on testnet is half an hour old. Is thisthe reason for the discussion going on? 13:54:01 What did I suggest ? 13:54:09 I just realized something, you know the dogecoin meme that 1 DOGE = 1 DOGE? Well because Monero is fungible, that's actually true about Monero because 1 Monero always = 1 Monero 13:54:11 14:49 < moneromooo> Except maybr try anoher compiler or linker. 13:54:28 Because it stands a reasonable chance of working., 13:54:38 Guess, again. 13:55:30 moneromooo: so you don't agree that it would be better to file a bug? 13:55:43 It would be better to file a bug than not. 13:55:52 moneromooo: if you agree that it would be better to file a bug, why did you suggest doing something different? 13:56:32 One more line from /ignore. Because one may do several things, they are not incompatible. 13:56:56 dickhead 14:16:55 as if filing a bug and trying another compiler or linker were mutually exclusive 14:24:36 copenhagen_bram[: of course they're not mutually exclusive but rather than recognising his inability to help further, saying as much, and taking it to the next step of filing a bug, moneromooo chose to spit out some inane shot-in-the-dark suggestions 14:25:00 there's a backtrace and a specific line of code where monerod fails 14:25:13 which is a pretty strong position to be able to fix it 14:25:54 but rather than suggest presenting that information to more knowledgable developers, moneromooo thinks it's best to spend shit loads of time faffing around with fucking compilers 14:26:37 of course, I'm the real dickhead for not recognising what was going on sooner 14:28:41 Are you a dev? 14:28:50 what do you mean? 14:29:34 Are you a C++ dev? 14:29:39 what do you mean? 14:29:51 I can write C++ if that's what you're asking 14:31:35 Well mooo is monero’s main dev and he probably has the best knowledge over the whole codebase (also wrote a huge part of it), so if someone can fix the issue most likely he can. So I find it interesting that you call his suggestions inane, as if you would know it better. 14:32:57 *facepalm* 14:35:04 selsta: that this guy is the main dev of monero is, to me, a very bad sign for monero 14:35:20 lol 14:36:24 to be clear: I'm a professional software engineer and I've been writing C++ (amongst many other languages) for about 20 years 14:36:28 why don’t you fix it yourself? 14:36:33 exactly! 14:36:55 because I was busy following inane fucking suggestions from dickheads on IRC 14:37:52 although now I'm thinking that if the main monero developer can't fix this problem with the information I've given to him then perhaps it would be better to stop using monero 14:38:48 no one cares if you stop using monero 14:39:04 the feeling is mutual 14:39:29 What's the problem? How serious is it? 14:39:44 copenhagen_bram[: why are you asking? 14:40:10 copenhagen_bram[: I'm not going to bother investing time and energy in cooperative debugging with someone else who's going to waste my time 14:40:29 rah, if there is a reproducible crash after you compiled a valid binary, the only place your issue belongs is in a bug report. 14:40:43 TheCharlatan: I know right! 14:40:59 TheCharlatan: you'd expect the main monero developer to suggest that wouldn't you! 14:41:01 Well, if it's a security risk I'd like to know about it. 14:41:02 software dev for 20 years yet doesn't know how to open an issue 14:41:06 w0w 14:41:17 dsc_: twat 14:41:18 There are many peole coming here with usually trivial to fix issues, so no, if they come here, I would give the same answers he has. 14:41:26 rah: xoxo 14:42:05 Hey I know how to submit an issue, or at least I think I do. I know I've seen worse issues than I make on some repos. And I'm not a developer. 14:42:07 TheCharlatan: what's special about "here" that makes your answers different to some other medium, like the bugtracker? 14:42:59 If someone can tell me about this bug/problem, I could reproduce it and make an issue myself, on the github repo. 14:43:56 In the meantime, I'll scroll up and see what I can find about the problem. 14:43:56 copenhagen_bram[: why the fuck would I spend the time and effort conveying the problem to another person and getting them to reproduce it and file a bug, rather than just filing a bug myself? 14:48:22 Why is this asshole not kicked out yet? 14:49:00 I see your point, I apologize. 14:49:28 can we be respectful? maybe they're just frusterated right now. 14:49:42 frustrated* 14:50:12 Don't care if they are frustrated. They behave nicely with others or they can go somewhere else 14:50:16 There is no "they" in FOSS, only you. Want something done/fixed, do it yourself. If you need help, be welcoming of none/any you get. 14:51:51 Well, if anyone needs someone to talk to, to chill out or vent or something, my DMs are open. 14:51:57 Is this the linux mailing list, or why are you cursing? 14:51:57 That's all I can do to help. 14:52:40 > the linux mailing list 14:52:40 lol. I guess coding can be frustrating. 14:52:46 dsc_: there are many people on IRC who present themselves as being helpful when really they only seek to boost their own ego 14:53:27 ##psychology 14:53:33 IIRC. we've been minimizing our use of Boost as of late. 14:53:38 for compile time reasons (?) 14:54:54 dsc_: more often than not, those people are just a drain and actually serve to retard progress rather than help 14:55:39 dsc_: in other words, there are many people in "FOSS" who are unhelpful and I feel no obligation whatsoever to tolerate them 14:55:43 also, I was using the word they as a gender neutral pronoun 14:56:14 "gender neutral" 14:57:57 rah: ignored. 14:58:05 oh noes! 14:58:25 i was kicked out because of "gender neutral" 14:59:06 wait what? 14:59:34 wat 14:59:39 how to connect to node for avoiding to download all blockchain 14:59:50 sorry for using that phrase, but i don't know what pronouns rah prefers 14:59:54 takel: using wallet and remote node 15:00:14 or prune blockchain 15:00:25 What's happening to this chat? Nobody got kicked as far as i can see 15:00:40 Idk lol 15:00:43 copenhagen_bram: english has only a few pronounce... you me he she it they. Only two of them have gender (he and she) and what's common now is to avoid gender by saying "they" for singular 15:00:51 Weird day in #monero 15:01:00 Can we stay mildly on topic? 15:01:06 yes 15:01:06 also if you were kicked for saying gender neutral, why weren't you kicked again for saying it again? 15:01:15 ok what gender is monero? 15:01:22 ? 15:01:38 I think monero is masculine because of the big M 15:02:00 it's male, if it were female it'd be called monerino as per esperanto grammar 15:02:01 copenhagen_bram: Nobody got kicked. Don't know why they are claiming that 15:02:27 I've seen that a few times. 15:02:29 -!- takel [0595ffb2⊙5] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:02:30 fair enough 15:02:41 People just assume malice rather then their own fault :) 15:02:50 yeah me neither 15:02:55 Or ISP or whatever. 15:03:00 Jesus christ 15:03:08 if someone gets kicked on IRC does the Matrix room say X was kicked? 15:03:16 Try it :D 15:03:35 Oh, needs an op... 15:03:40 copenhagen_bram: it should 15:03:50 *theysus christ 15:04:00 Well I know if I were kicked it give me a big "You've been kicked" 15:04:05 sometimes an IRC user leaves the chat in a way that the matrix bridge doesn't notice, and so bridges chats often have irc ghosts in them 15:04:12 but I don't know exactly under which conditions that happens 15:04:19 But I mean if someone on IRC kicks someone on IRC, does it show up correctly on Matrix? 15:04:30 it should 15:04:44 yay ghosts, i always knew this place was haunted 15:04:51 no is just that "gender neutral" is cia invention 15:05:00 all matrix chats are full of dead nicks 15:05:01 oh btw jolan tru marmulak 15:05:13 what is jolan tru 15:05:29 it's a romulan greeting 15:05:48 wasn't it Romulan insurgents? 15:06:04 oh yes 15:06:04 because we're both in the star trek matrix room and I think your name sounds romulan 15:06:13 ohhh 15:06:20 it's Persian actually, but it would be cool to know Romulan 15:06:31 I did a few Klingon lessons on Duolingo but that's it 15:06:41 https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Jolan_tru 15:06:44 it's persian?? :o 15:06:57 yes 🦎 15:07:12 oh cool 15:07:44 do lots of star trek fans use monero? 15:08:49 99% of them 15:09:05 wow 15:12:07

They claim it is Open Source, but had not released source code AFAICT: 15:13:07 faircoin sounds more star treky though 15:13:43 although i can imagine romulans using monero for the rare occasions where they make trades with ferengi 15:14:09 makes sense 15:14:54 privacy is dead in the federation, the senior officers can ask the computer where you were, and the ship probably records your voice commands as well as what you do in the holodeck 15:15:35 federation credits ftw 15:15:38 there was an ENT episode where t'pol sent an encrypted letter to her friend and the Enterprise officers decrypted it 15:15:40 so it's like the present 15:15:58 or goldpressedlatinum 15:16:09 GPL coin 15:16:15 should copyrght that 15:16:56