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duso
Guess I need to read the whitepaper. My node sends multiple 'outputs' to be mined into the next block for the transactions, to a various number of ring partners. How does it determine an old output?
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selsta
duso: you might want to check out the ring signature part here:
masteringmonero.com
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selsta
(it’s a free book)
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moneromooo
It's arbitrary, it considers anything > 1 month old to be old. It's a bit trigger happy I think.
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Copenhagen_Bram
Hello!
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Copenhagen_Bram
So I'm getting repeated messages of "Ask for LOCKING for device in thread" "Device UNLOCKed" "Device LOCKed:
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Copenhagen_Bram
It really spams up the terminal I opened monero-wallet-gui in
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selsta
Copenhagen_Bram: Settings -> Log -> Turn log level to 0
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Copenhagen_Bram
oh
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Copenhagen_Bram
And then my Trezor says "Do you really want to start refresh?"
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selsta
It should be 0 at default. Did you change it?
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Copenhagen_Bram
What does that mean?
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Copenhagen_Bram
Yeah I changed it. I changed it back, thinks.
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Copenhagen_Bram
thanks*
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selsta
You have to accept this to do a wallet refresh.
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Copenhagen_Bram
Okay.
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Copenhagen_Bram
Last time I hit accept though, my Trezor froze up and Monero crashed.
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Copenhagen_Bram
Ok it didn't do that this time
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Copenhagen_Bram
Hmm, my trezor is... refreshing?
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Copenhagen_Bram
What's it doing?
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Copenhagen_Bram
it's got some kind of loading bar or something on it
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selsta
I don’t know what it does exactly, afaik syncs key images or so
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Copenhagen_Bram
Hmm
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Copenhagen_Bram
Is it possible to update a Trezor anonymously, over Tor or something, without sending unique information to Trezor's website?
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selsta
Firmware?
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Copenhagen_Bram
Yeah, update the firmware
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Copenhagen_Bram
And sorry for asking Trezor questions here. But Telegram sucks.
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selsta
Should be possible over Tor?
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Copenhagen_Bram
That would be nice lol
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Copenhagen_Bram
Thanks
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selsta
I never tried it but don’t see why it should not work.
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selsta
Though the Tor browser most likely won’t work due to disabled USB stuff.
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Copenhagen_Bram
You can go into the about:config and tell it to not use a proxy for 127.0.0.1 and then it can connect to the Trezor bridge
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Copenhagen_Bram
I think I noticed once that the Monero CLI seems to work very well compared to the Bitcoin CLI
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yeahgotit
Hi
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yeahgotit
What exactly happens when `monero-blockchain-prune` finishes its job?
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yeahgotit
Will I get notified somehow? Is it safe to delete the unpruned db in datadir afterwards?
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selsta
I would check if it works first before deleting the old db.
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yeahgotit
Works exactly what?
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yeahgotit
`monerod`?
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selsta
yes
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yeahgotit
Well, after using the utility, should I also run monerod with `--prune-blockchain` flag?
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selsta
not necessary
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yeahgotit
It appears the three are completely different and in the sense of true pruning, only the utility makes sense
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selsta
they basically do the same
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selsta
start monerod and enter `check_blockchain_pruning`
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selsta
to see if it worked
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selsta
adding `--prune-blockchain` can prune existing blockchains but it can not decrease the database size. So it will stay at e.g. 70GB until the pruned blockchain reaches 70GB.
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yeahgotit
So, interally monerod should already distinguish between non-pruned and pruned dbs and it's only for me to check if it caught up with the pruned one?
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yeahgotit
116 blocks to sync, will take 5 minutes probably
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selsta
yes
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yeahgotit
`Blockchain is not pruned` in green
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yeahgotit
What do I do from here?
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selsta
inside ~/.bitmonero/lmdb
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selsta
how large is your data.mdb file?
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selsta
if correctly pruned it should be ~27GB
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yeahgotit
21 GiBs currently
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yeahgotit
oh wait
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yeahgotit
```
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yeahgotit
91G ./lmdb
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yeahgotit
21G ./lmdb-pruned
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yeahgotit
```
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yeahgotit
Yeah, 21
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yeahgotit
So, it's not yet complete, I see
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selsta
looks like it
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yeahgotit
will I get notified when it is?
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selsta
I don’t know, did not use monero-blockchain-pruned yet, though I guess the program should simply exit once finished?
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yeahgotit
Cause there is no % progress in the log, just the messages that the size had increased
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yeahgotit
I'll see tomorrow
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yeahgotit
Been running it for, I don't know, 8 hours maybe
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aaaaaaaaaaaa
Whats the best wallet to use for mobile phones
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aaaaaaaaaaaa
Are mobile wallets even safe?
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jwinterm
aaaaaaaaaaaa, I like monerujo
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jwinterm
but cake is probably way more popular now
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endogenic
seriously?
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endogenic
i havent been keeping up with whether monerujo has been pushing updates but lots of people used it
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d4ndo[m]
I like Monerujo, too. Haven't tested Cake wallet jet.
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d4ndo[m]
There was just a post on reddit about cake wallet. 50k downloads.
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Kronovestan
All time high transactions?
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marmulak
Monerujo is great software
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marmulak
and good Esperanto too
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xmrmatterbridge
<trasherdk> Where is the DNS for Monero version?
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Kronovestan
Are blocks 20 mins now instead of 2 mins?
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xmrmatterbridge
<rbrunner7> Kronovestan: You mean the long wait for block 2205073? Such gaps can happen more or less any time and don't mean something special, basically just "bad luck". The next blocks were good again.
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dixie__flatline[
the only thin monerujo needs is a dark theme.
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dixie__flatline[
* the only thing monerujo needs is a dark theme.
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Inge-
Monerujo lovers: remember to pass a small donation back when you update to new version, to ensure future development :)
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hyc
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Inge-
This stuff is hard
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hyc
your keys are protected by your passphrase
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hyc
the passphrase encrypts everything - keys, txinfo, etc
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hyc
you can't protect static data with 2FA
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mmxxx[m]
it's probably somebody used to using third party wallets, like electrum
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Inge-
I know how this works. but have been playing with monero since 2017 and can write code. I still have little understanding of how most other cryptocurrencies work
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hyc
does electrum wallet use 2FA? what does it use it for?
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asy
electrum has an interesting 2fa implementation. your wallet becomes a 2/3 multisig, where 1 key is on your computer, 1 is your backup, and 1 is held by a server that signs when it gets a 2fa code
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asy
all of the transactions signed by the 2fa server need to have a donation output as a fee, so maybe we could see how much use it gets
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hyc
aha. so you have to talk to a central server
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binaryFate
Same as bitgo. 2FA is then used for them to accept to co-sign your transaction
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artefact
you can somewhat protect static data with 2fa, but you're always vulnerable to replay attacks
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artefact
eg using a smartcard in challenge/response mode, where the challenge is your password, and you derive an encryption key from the response
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hyc
no.
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hyc
deriving a new encryption key implies that you are continually re-ecnrypting the static data
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hyc
which is preposterous
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tryphe
hyc, even though the guy on reddit probably doesn't know what he's asking, he probably doesn't know there's a password. although it -would- be sorta nice if the wallet passphrase could be a onetime password rather than static, not sure how that could be implemented though.
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artefact
i meant symmetric encryption
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artefact
and i never said it's a new encryption key. challenge/response is deterministic, that's the point
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asy
moneromooo: same reason people choose to be MitM'd by cloudflare
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moneromooo
Or choose to get all their unsuspecting visitors to be MITM'd by cloudflare :/
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john_r365
RE Cloudflare and MITM - presumably that's not cloudflare specific - but an issue with using any Content Delivery Network? What would be the alternative if you're trying to improve the speed of website access for globally distributed audiences?
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moneromooo
Anything that doesn't involve giving them your secret keys :)
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asy
john_r365: they could stick to serving static assets, and the origin server can add hashes for the cdn'd assets to make sure that they aren't being modified
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asy
and if you want to do the compute close to the user, put your own servers there :)
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artefact
cloudflare captcha hell is awful- thankfully now you can use one time tokens instead
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moneromooo
Now primo could do away with all this.
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mmxxx[m]
anyone used the feather wallet to complete a transaction yet?
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marmulak
not I
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moneromooo
Not I.
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mmxxx[m]
why no?
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moneromooo
wino ?
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mmxxx[m]
*not
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marmulak
I don't evevn know how
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kiwi_7
Hi everyone, does anyone know how often the blockchain.raw gets updated? I'm trying to sync the entire blockchain but it is a painstakingly slow process. I already downloaded the blockchain.raw, but it seems to only go up to 1968800
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Inge-
kiwi_7: In general, unless you have poor internet connection, it is faster to just synch the regular way
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kiwi_7
Inge- How fast should I expect? Because it took me more than 3 hours for about 5000 blocks
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moneromooo
Spinning hard disk ?
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kiwi_7
Yes
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moneromooo
Do you have the option to sync to SSD, then copy back to HDD when done ?
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kiwi_7
I don't think so
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kiwi_7
But is the blockchain.raw up to date? Because (at least the initial blocks) seemed to progress at a much higher speed than doing a sync
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selsta
It gets updated weekly or ao
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selsta
so
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Inge-
kiwi_7: well, th earlier blocks were mostly empty and also much smaller transactions... so there is a good while where it is pretty slow and mostly CPU bound
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Inge-
and it also needs to get all the mixins from disk, so a lot of random IO over a larger and larger dataset as you move forward
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Inge-
which is kind of brutal on spinning rust
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kiwi_7
Alright, I do notice that my hard drive is utilized to 98%. Now my question is, what does monerod have to do to sync? Because I was easily able to put the 55GB raw file on my hard disk from the internet in around 2 hours?
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kiwi_7
Thanks for the help guys by the way
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selsta
It verifies the blocks.
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Inge-
it basically needs to validate the transactions - i.e. do the calculations and see that the transactions and blocks are correctly done
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Inge-
you can skip it of course - but that kinda defeats the point of running your own node
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nioc
mmxxx[m]: I have used Feather to receive and send a tx, works well
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kiwi_7
How is verification different from a checksum?
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moneromooo
You'd have to trust whoever made the checksum did not like to you.
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Inge-
well, in simple terms it is the work to calculate the checksum, and comparing it with the provided checksum
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mmxxx[m]
<nioc "mmxxx: I have used Feather to re"> glad to hear. Did you make use of the xmr.to feature?
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nioc
no
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kiwi_7
Alright thank you! Final question: The blockchain.raw file I downloaded contains 1968800 blocks as opposed to 2205358 said by monerod sync, any ideas as to how that happened? I downloaded it from the official source
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binaryFate
xmrto does not serve US. nioc is in US. xmrto does not serve nioc.
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dsc_
Sad!
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shillo
usa is basically north korea
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nioc
sad indeed
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moneromooo
It's just whatever the state was a while back when it was generated. Sounds like more than week.
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moneromooo
Maybe the cron job htat does it died.
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kiwi_7
Hmm it must have died a while ago then haha
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moneromooo
fluffypony: ^ I think that's you ?
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kiwi_7
I think it's from Nov 18, 2019
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neetpill[m]
bros, how much Monero do you need to make it
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Inge-
a lot less than you need XRP
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mmxxx[m]
sorry, to make what?
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neetpill[m]
to /make it/
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neetpill[m]
never worry about money ever again
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neetpill[m]
be financially independant
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nioc
depends on your location and your perspective as well as the ever uncertain future
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nioc
I was poor all my life so I am more easily satisfied
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raecarruth
define 'poor'
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artefact
neetpill[m]: you see xmr as an investment? imho it's just like a currency, or a commodity. not something that generates a ROI
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nioc
I guess the majority in the US are poor
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raecarruth
compared to whom?
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artefact
the median US person is poor compared to the average US person :-)
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nioc
:)
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raecarruth
que?
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nioc
I have never missed a meal except by choice although sometimes it was very close so I guess that means I am not poor
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raecarruth
and that is my point
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raecarruth
when did xmr.to reduce their limit to 1 btc?
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selsta
raecarruth: the limit is dynamic afaik
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selsta
depends on how much funds they have currently and the btc price
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raecarruth
it was at 2 btc for a while
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Guest68366
hallo
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shirley_huang[m]
Why is it taking my Monero Wallet forever to Synchronize Wallet, but it is fully synchronized with Daemon?
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nioc
daemon syncs with network and then wallet syncs with daemon
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Inge-
kinky
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shirley_huang[m]
So now it just reset, daemon is synchronized again, but wallet status still says Waiting for daemon to sync :1
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selsta
shirley_huang[m]: are you using monero-gui? Which wallet mode did you select?
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selsta
Simple mode or Advanced mode?
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shirley_huang[m]
Advanced
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shirley_huang[m]
Both bars have definitely turned orange and is fully synchronized in the past
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shirley_huang[m]
But today it seems to be having some issues or is taking longer than usual to sync up
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shirley_huang[m]
I am using a remote node, by the way. Not enough space to create my own,
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shirley_huang[m]
* I am using a remote node, by the way. Not enough space to create my own.
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shirley_huang[m]
* Both bars have definitely turned orange and has fully synchronized in the past
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selsta
Okay, can you wait ~5 minutes and if it is still broken try a different remote node and try to restart the GUI
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shirley_huang[m]
sure thing.
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shirley_huang[m]
Ok so I switched to another one (node.xmrbackb.one)
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shirley_huang[m]
And this one just keeps disconnecting
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selsta
try node.xmr.to 18081
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raecarruth
^
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shirley_huang[m]
I took a nap, but it seems like I've found one that's working for now.
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shirley_huang[m]
Thanks for the troubleshooting.