What are some ways I can use Monero for life purchases? I want to spread its use! And I want more places to accept it.

What are some ways I can use it?

I'm 100% sold on privacy coins

ghost_matrix[m], buy drugs online?

people are worried about sending other people button, since if that other person mixes them, the sender can get their exchange account frozen - twitter.com/NicolasDorier/status/1290846243552284673?s=19

nice lol

/button/bitcoin

!ban anaphylaxis6

He can't make up his mind lol

> people are worried about sending other people button, since if that other person mixes them, the sender can get their exchange account frozen - twitter.com/NicolasDorier/status/1290846243552284673?s=19

That's nuts! So the sender gets flagged by the exchange!?!? Clearly monitored

i wonder if you could somehow bake software updates into the code + blockchain itself.

like, ... i think this was mentioned at some point before

but basically, the top block also communicates the current code diffs

and if a node sees that otherwise the higher chain meets consensus if following these rules

of the code diff, then the node should adopt these diffs

hrm, it would have to compile or something

something something blockchain

ghost_matrix[m]: you can purchase VPNs, domains, VPSes, accomodation (travala.com), flights (travala, cheapair (via xmr.to)), countless giftcards at bitrefill (via xmr.to) etc

<ghost_matrix[m]> That's nuts! So the sender gets flagged by the exchange!?!? Clearly monitored --> an entirely predictable thing that the wider crypto community has made a very hard effort of putting their heads in the sand and not see for years. now it's all being (predictably) implemented and the theoretical is becoming reality

imagine trying to fight a battle where your enemy can see your every move as you're making it, even in the pre-battle stage. it can read the communications between all your generals and lieutenants. it knows the positions of all your soldiers

to my mind that seems like a very poor idea

Not if I am defending against you.

Then it seems like a grand idea

many organisations also take btc/xmr donations, like the EFF

tor project too i think, even unicef accepts xmr

exactly Inge-

the track record of statism is laid bare for anyone to examine, at least for now. do we really want statists - anyone, really - to hold so much power over 7 billion people?

A state is just a gang that got so poewrful it doesn't need violence anymore, just the concealed promise of it.

it's a bit like having a system where when a baby is born, a kill switch is implemented. and we're supposed to trust it's only going to be used against "criminals"

many checks and balances, we're assured

So if you remove states, you'll just get smaller gangs, and actual violence.

how about no, don't build that system in the first place

That's what people are. You'll always get some willing to use violence to make others do what they want.

Like DoSing pools who won't do anything to stop being > 50%.

yes, but perhaps we shouldn't put them in power

Did we ?

not me personally, maybe not you

Do we have any election where, if most people don't vote, nobody is elected ?

We don't. Someone does.

So you don't put someone in power, you just aovid the worst ones in power.

And even that doesn't work, since the worst ones do get in power anyway.

(sometimes)

i have an idea for a post i might write soon, something like "Monero's marketing problem"

most of the time, i have found, even pro-freedom, small-government kind of people don't know and/or use monero

i think a big part of the reason why we're losing ground is that most people don't even realize there is a problem - i have been doing my famous street approaches again recently, care to bet on how many people out of 30 even knew of FATF?

reminds me of a document i read recently from the lead freenet developer: draketo.de/anderes/honest-marketing.pdf

the answer is zero

young, middle aged, even tried a grandpa or two. man or woman. it didn't matter. no one knew

it's such a simple thing - transfer value without leaving a record for the thought police to examine. and such a fundamental thing. to this day i don't understand why it doesn't click with most people, even the ones already in crypto

Humans can get used to a lot of stuff, it just takes time. Most got use to being spied on by everyone, it just becomes background.

artefact: timing out here. do they block tor?

as much as i love blockchains, there is no forward secrecy, and that is a problem imho

kayront: let me check

i don't think it registers very consciously with them moneromooo; i have this line where i ask if they'd be fine with having a police officer with them at all times, including at home, looking over everything they read, learning who their friends are, etc

when it's made physical, it's like it suddenly clicks in their brain

i suspect this is because as technical people, we can actually "see the pipes" in our minds, so it's physical to us (we can visualize it)

I know for a fact people self-censor in social media

obviously. same reason nobody acts natural when you tell them “you're being filmed, act natural!”

best example was the british couple going to New Your City for the weekend who posted on their facebook that they were going to "Bomb NYC" (as in partying hard I guess...)

got sent home by CBP/DHS on entry

»Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.« Oscar Wilde

<artefact> as much as i love blockchains, there is no forward secrecy, and that is a problem imho

yup

Wow the monero hashrate!

2.39 GH/s

wondered why my mining return estimates plunged

reported hashrate by pools was 2.9

now down to 2.5

kayront: FATF? most people don't know what money is

i mean, it's not an easy question

It's... it's... Hmmm... Or, the first two syllables of monero.

<vancleef> VanCleef is very new to crypto, is not a coder, designer, or gamer. VanCleef is oldschool

kayront: is it still timing out? i tested it myself in tor-browser and it worked

Defcon: The Monero Village (and Defcon in general) is opening at 9:00 UTC-7, in a few hours.

Whoever is interested can read about it on:

“Crypto & Privacy Village ” location: discord channel. how ironic

and the schedule is... a google calendar. :D

aouch, i'm in utc+2 so all the talks are mostly in the middle of the night

Hi, I have $50 Amazon gift card for sale for btc.

You’re not even accepting Monero in the Monero IRC channel?

.confused

Probably a scam.

More than likely

It's not

Defcon and the Monero Village is opening in a half hour (6-9 August 2020.) defcon.org

Sorry for the off topic announcement, I couldn't help it.

fifty bucks? isn't that pretty much the cost of doing a transaction in xbt nowadays? :P

I dunno.

Help me out?

it's not really the right place for that.

I've been helped here before.

Anyone?

Help me out.

What channel can I go to

You guys got btc I'm trying to buy

I have a legit Amazon card

Monero and Bitcoin are distinct cryptocurrencies. They're similar, but not the same.

exquisitebead: try bitcointalk.org or #bitcoin-otc - this channel is for monero (a different cryptocurrency)

Some mod pleas help him out, I can't.

exquisitebead: head on over to purse.io

make an amazon purchase and receive btc in exchange

if your card is genuine...

Tyty

Nono

The card for btc

Like 45$ btc

yes, that's what I mean

you use your card to make an amazon purchase

on behalf of somebody else

they receive the item

and they pay you in btc

Oooh, that's nice. Does the buyer have any privacy from the site operator ?

in theory

so long as you don't use real details

<msvb-lab "Defcon and the Monero Village is"> is it a live stream or?

or what?

you think they'll be meeting in person mid covid?

o_0

its xbt. there's no privacy

I would avoid purse.io

lots of stolen credit cards and gift cards are used there

I have heard that people got visit from police from ordering there

artefact: you can use xmr.to

i've been doing so without issue

Hmm. Not surprising in retrospect. Thanks.

stolen credit cards are used for amazon in general...

and every other retail outlet

right but your address shows up together with stolen credit / gift cards

don't use 'your' address

Ah, but I'd want to receive whatver I'm ordering.

I suppose you could order to a place across town, and intercept the shipping truck :D

...

come on guys

get creative

Helicopter rappeling onto the truck, make hole in roof, extract item, fly away ?

i expect better from you

I dunno, I just like privacy for ethical reasons, not criminal ones.

it isn't criminal if it's a genuine amazon card and you want btc

not everyone using is it a criminal

no more than everyone using fiat

Why am I even participating in this... /me out

Selsta got btc

no

i have btc :)

but i have no use for a 45 usd amazon gift card...

This is a Monero channel

Not Amazon or Bitcoin

^

We prefer to speak about Monero

Speaking of Monero, I'm too lazy to look at Github - what's the status on 14 word seeds ? :P

Just wondering if any new wallet could just adopt this 14 word seed scheme and ignore legacy

(or provide an utility to convert legacy to new)

what's wrong with 25?

artefact: What I like most about the 14 word seed is the fact the restore height is embedded into it

Skirmant: exquisitebead said to ask about him

Hello. I can add a new address "address new". Can I remove that address if I want to?

No. Addresses are deterministic from your keys. It's always going to be yours.

ok. when should I use a new address to receive xmr? Asking this so I can create only the small address possible not creating to much addresses. Any advice?

Are you a merchant ?

I make a new address if it's for something else

One for me one for my servers.

Assuming you're not and just want to withdraw from an exchange, say, then the straightforward way is to create a subaddress for this exchange. It already has an account for you, so it'll know when you withdraw a second time, no need to create a new one then.

If you use another exchange, create a second subaddress for that one.

afaik it's fine to reuse addresses if you always give the same address to the same person

If you're a merchant, it's more complicated as you'd need to do it automatically.

but if you give the same address to two different people, then they can use that data to deanonymise you

why not use integrated_address?

isn't that what it's for?

they're for merchants afaik

i'm not 'merchant' but i use them

*no 'merchant'

the generated addresses may look different, but they are not different

for merchants this is fine because they don't really need to hide their identity from their clients

ok, i'm just now understanding his use case

do not want to use the same address from different accounts (ex: binance; coinswitch; exodus) and if I use it as a merchant later I would like to have different addresses for different cliente.

i tend not to use too many exchanges nowadays

none of those that you've listed anyhow

I am learning all possibilities to know a bit better to use the wallet with some fungibility and not make some mistakes and lose my xmrs. Now I have it (in some custodial and non custodial wallets). I am configuring my linux pc (specific for xmr, btc and others) with new cli wallets so I can get 90% "off-grid"...

mainly I use exodus, seemed ok (easy to start and use with own private keys, but high fees) to start, but I am now preparing to move 90% cryptos to my own local wallets... but I have to know what I am doing...

I want to get out of exchanges asap and get just 10% in exodus or something like that...

That’s a good effort to make, ruied 🙂

The GUI wallet is very simple to use IMO, so I’d take a look at that if you’re not too familiar with CLI/CLI wallets

Or if you want a dead-simple experience use a mobile wallet like Cake Wallet or Monerujo, especially for smaller amounts

I am used to linux cli (I have the gui working) but I think I prefer cli (more secure in my opinion). After I transfer 90% to my local wallets, I will investigate Monerujo / Cake Wallet for the small amounts in daily use...

I always appreciate it if someone takes time to learn the CLI, it's well worth it :)

rather robust way of interfacing with your Monero

I agree.. more time spent but more knowledge... less efford later on... :)

For sure, if you’re comfortable with it that’s probably the most fully-fledged way to interact with Monero.

Please let us know if you run into any issues or have any questions!

ok, thanks! I now have a remote server with 4 deamons always sync (xmr is one of them). From my local computer (with encrypted fs I run the cli wallets with --daemon-address of my remote blockchain. Only have the keys in local computer... Forcing my self to learn...

Thanks for your help... :)

Good luck, and good attitude :)

thannks! ;)

needs some input

kayront: you never replied to me wrt the paper i linked. were you able to access it eventually? (unless you don't care)

oh, i didn't see more replies

did you provide a new link?

i tried the previous link a few more times, either server is down or they block tor

same link should work. we tested it a few times using tor-browser and it worked

that is peculiar

if it still dosen't for you, tell me and i'll re-upload it temporarily somewhere else

yeah, still not working

or you can probably use archive.org/archive.is

hang on

kayront: 77.192.207.45:24499/honest-marketing.pdf will be slow but should work

got it

neato. thanks

i'll read it tomorrow and share some thoughts

the author is the now lead developer of freenet

on the surface the pdf looks juicy

Has anyone recently run .verify-merge.py? I just git cloned the gitian.sigs repo, and it says "Can't check signature: No public key" for all of them. Trying on 0.16.0.1 or 0.16.0.0 will have johnathoncross sigs [OK] and then rest can't check. Any idea if this is expected?

scoobybejesus: did you do `python ./verify-merge.py --import-keys` ?

selsta, i did not. i didn't (don't) see that in the repo instructions. i figured it would just look in the folder with all the asc files automatically

i wonder how it could have OK'ed the johnathoncross ones on its own

because that’s the only one you have in your GPG keyring

apparently

--import-keys imports all of the ones inside the repo into your keyring

i dunno how it would have gotten there. i don't recall doing any gpg stuff before this. hm

cool, i'll redo real quick

ok, that worked

many thanks, selsta

I guess this is your PR? monero-project/gitian.sigs #64

yeah. i think i'm gonna add another commit with my assert and sig files. messing with it now

I got a $50 Amazon gc for $50 BTC.

You've said this before.

Yeah I don't think anyone is gonna do that exquisitebead

There are other places to try to sell your GC for surveillance-coin

kayront: wrt that reddit link, i'm having a hard time making sense of it all. i don't know much about the internals of other coins, except btc and maybe eth. but it's obvious that in any argument around cryptos, you will run into speculators arguing out of bad faith

tl;dr shilling, fud and snake oil

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Monero Devices is the only place with the DIY models, Cyphermarket and Hak5 carry the preassembled ones only.