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gingeropolous
had a curious thought. if we could rebuild the protocols of the internet, how would they be built to protect privacy?
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gingeropolous
like, from the group up? and would this system be different than the existing overlay systems?
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gingeropolous
or is it possible to design something that could be overlayed on tcp/ip but then stand alone on its own
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gingeropolous
its interesting though that it may be difficult to actually implement something different from the ground up, due to the nodal nature of the network, and that of discrete data packets
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gingeropolous
packet switching etc
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gingeropolous
might have to rethink data transmission entirely
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gingeropolous
mebbe. i dunno. whaddoo i know
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endor00[m]
The Yggdrasil project kinda does that. Ipv6 with encryption built-in, as well as some routing stuff that I'm not very familiar with
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endor00[m]
I2P does that as well, they basically rewrote tcp and udp
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yanmaani
gingeropolous: You'd use a replacement for source IPs, so that it's an unique identifier changing for each hop, and you'd allow networks to null-route other networks without having to use a DoS scrubber.
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guernsey
hello
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gingeropolous
right endor00[m] , but i2p is still built upon the existing network protocols, which ultimately enable tracking etc. though i guess if everyones on i2p thats different... but it feels similar to the problem of stapling privacy onto a transparent blockchain
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gingeropolous
well not tracking i guess
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endor00[m]
You can look at it like the monero blockchain: everyone can read the chain and see the transactions (equivalent to the network packets), but nobody can see their content
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gingeropolous
right right
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gingeropolous
i guess i was wondering if there's a way to achieve the functionality of the internet without network packets.
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gingeropolous
because the packet, as a concept, seems to be the fundamental thing that engenders tracing
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gingeropolous
compared to, say, broadcast via emf .. radiowaes. yes, they in theory can be triangulated i guess, but that property isn't a fundamental component of its design
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gingeropolous
but i could also not know wtf im talking about
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guernsey
how to create v12 coinbase transaction not by monero but from any tool,script etc
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scoobybejesus
"This is why we can't have nice things." Prior devs who forked monero w/out understanding much of the codebase filled up everyone's daemon logs with "Found peer with higher version. Blah blah blah." I think we'd all appreciate less of that.
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scoobybejesus
.. even if it's no longer printed to stdout
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endor00[m]
<gingeropolous "compared to, say, broadcast via "> Look up OSI layers. The physical method of transmission of a signal is a different layer from the way the signal is interpreted and information is encoded within it
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endor00[m]
* Look up OSI layers. The physical method of transmission of a signal is a different layer from the way the signal is interpreted and information is encoded within that signal
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moneromooo
Not sure it's that. It might be people doing it on purpose just to scream "look at me".
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manifest
filling up yo log drive-DoS best DoS
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gingeropolous
thanks endor00[m]
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anicow
buncha damn nerds in here
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anicow
i love it :D
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» anicow wanders away to do top secret offline stuff
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hyc
gingeropolous: that's the point behind raw access to wifi cards, to just use them as standard radio transmitters
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hyc
but it only works for short range
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hyc
and you still need a packet-based protocol for sending/receiving
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hyc
just like wired ethernet CSMA/CD otherwise you get two stations transmitting at once, jamming each other
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hyc
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d4ndo[m]
" radiowaes. yes, they in theory can be triangulated i guess" Doesn't 802.11ac has beamforming implemented!? So the router itself communicates its position to increase Range.
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Spaceguide
I believe 802.11ac does
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Zero-ghost[m]
triangulation is.... in the name
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Zero-ghost[m]
it assumes you are within 3 towers that make up a.... triangle.... and they use the ping time to your device from each tower to see where exactly you are within that triangle... of towers....
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Zero-ghost[m]
you dont "triangulate" any radiowaves magically by themselves
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gingeropolous
well right
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gingeropolous
my point was when a you broadcast radiowaves, they just propagate information through a medium, whereas a packet is on a mission from god
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anicow
streaming data is harder to filter, combine that through an ipsecvpn
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anicow
it becomes a simple way to obfuscate packet data
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anicow
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anicow
just an idea
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anicow
the idea would be you can see my data but it's all nonsense.
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anicow
this is right to privacy.
