«A new, technically advanced market called White House has also been launched, gaining 10,000 listings, 100,000 users and many trusted vendors. It features a compulsory Bitcoin-Monero converter at checkout, allowing vendors to be paid in Monero, a more anonymous cryptocurrency.»

waaaat

damn, mr. high fee is back: xmrchain.net/tx/082efdc0228714e9fd9…ef1de17b9ce495d5195a741d5f1dab5911d

hello

d4ndo[m] i change this to true but nothing happened bool construct_tx_with_tx_key

How to retrieve a cli-wallet if I dont have the wallet file? I only have 25 words

monerod --help |grep generate

<guernsey "monerod --help |grep generate"> Nope

web.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/restore_account.html <--- Is this how I restore it?

amuro: ./monero-wallet-cli --restore-deterministic-wallet

selsta: thx

Lemme try

selsta: What if I want to use remote node instead of local node, what do I do?

add --daemon-address

What do I enter in Specify Electrum seed: ?

the 25 words with space between them?

yes

then what about Enter seed offset passphrase, empty if none: ?

empty

(just press enter)

I have revised the text once again. github.com/nonie-sys/monero-timestamp

moneromooo: the monero logfile from start to crash ended up behing 7gbs (200mb compressed). Can i filter it for something specific or just upload it somewhere. I assume i cant post 200mb to a github issue.

selsta: Restore from specific blockchain height (optional, default 0),

or alternatively from speci

moneromooo: i assume all [.... INC] can be filtered maybe. and OUT

Do I restore from a specific date?

amuro: yes

when did you first receive a transaction

enter a date before it

oh I forgot haha

I just press enter and now it is loading...

yea but now it will take ages to scan all blocks

because you skipped restore height :P

so how do I stop?

you can just wait too

crrl-C and redo everything again?

it should not take too long

1 hour

I probably received first tracsaction around 2017

maybe Nov 2017

then you can try redoing with 2017-01-01

or just wait

Height 88909 / 2126054

its quite slow

so how i pause? ctrl-c?

yes

selsta: Error: failed to get blockchain height ?

which remote node did you use?

node.moneroworld.com:18089

does it work even with the error message?

no

then try a different one, e.g. node.xmr.to:18081

It keeps asking for blockchain height

and add --trusted-daemon

yes, try a different remote. node.moneroworld.com:18089 will use a random remote node, which can be buggy

which one is not buggy?

09:59 <selsta> then try a different one, e.g. node.xmr.to:18081

“Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.”

― Mark Twain

:)

I got that from unix fortune - today. Just throwing that in.

unix fortune?

i'd forgotten about that

had it installed years ago

on an x200

i think

or t400

azy: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortune_%28Unix%29

zib: for a crash, I mostly need the stack trace.

You can post the last dozen lines of the log too, might be somehting interesting.

ok

What is this Monero Proof of existence about?

Or timestamp

is it like opentimestamps but using the monero blockchain instead of btc?

Ah ok - i get it.

was confused.

thought so. thanks

d4ndo[m]: this? taiga.getmonero.org/project/ajs-atesti/timeline

asymptotically: github.com/nonie-sys/monero-timestamp

cool. But there seems to be no development atm.

I guess sending a pico monero is ok.

Is there a reason you can not store a hash on Monero?

in bitcoin script you can shove whatever data you want after an OP_RETURN. i think in monero you can put whatever you want in the tx_extra field but someone might get upset

By someone you mean miner!?

d4ndo[m]: i was thinking more the developers that have spent a lot of time making transactions all look the same, then you go stuff something into them making yours stand out

why dont they disallow it then?

a relevant discussion is here: monero-project/monero #6668

man nothing tracks the passage of time like monerop.com

time since last block.

asymptotically: To be honest I haven't understood Monero 100% yet. But it's logical what you're saying.

hello, Its been a while since I last checked monero

how is it in terms of moving money from fiat to monero and back

has it been censored a lot?

or banned I should say

No - not banned.

nice

I think I will buy some

how big is the blockchain this days?

¨ 90 GB

oh wow it really grew

But iit is growing slower because of bulletproof implementation.

also the fees are pretty low now.

Somewhere between 25 GB and 30 GB for a pruned db.

Yes a pruned blockchain is ~ 25-30 GiB

does the pruning lose some functionality?

No

I remember pruning my bitcoin blockchain without my wallet loaded and then I had the redownload the whole thing

poro: bitcoin pruning only keeps the most recent N blocks, so the wallet isn't able to look back at the older blocks to see if you got any payments :(

you can rescan a monero wallet from scratch with a pruned node though

thats awesome

Nah is no botch,

SSD is recommended.

Noob question, is the whole cryptocurrency space stable independently of the coin

like as long as the coin that you have has some inherent value, does it benefit from the stability of the whole cryptocurrency market

inherent value based on the technology it uses I mean

so excluding shitcoins

So what Im saying is, is it unlikely that a billionare will manipulate the monero market specifically

So you're after tech that prevents rich people from buying and selling to change the exchange rate ?

Lets say it this way: If Bitcoin goes to 0 - Monero will probably be used by a view nerds on some Unix machines..

There are coins that do that, allegedly. Stable coins.

does Monero support proof of balance like in bitcoin?

moneromooo: big emphasis on 'allegedly'

it's either just banking with extra crime, or "perpetual motion" tier crackpots

no, what Im saying is, how anti-fragile is it, so if monero was the only crypto out there, it would be easier for a billionare to manipulate the market, since the whole market cap is like 1 billion right

it is 100% impossible to "manipulate the market"

but if an actual manipulation were to start happening, would people just buy bitcoin with their monero, and wait and then buy monero back, preventing anything from happening

or something like that

for bitcoin, monero, anything. The price is what people are willing to buy/sell it for

maybe? there's a specific ghetto for pricetalk, I think #monero-markets

If monero was the only crypto, people would not start buying bitcoin with monero.

Also, you never defined "manipulate" I think.

People usually define it as "it doesn't do what I think it should do" :)

Let's face it, Bitcoin is a bit like Jupiter. Its gravity ensures that there are not so many impacts on Monero.

It's a bit like Jupiter. It's got a large eye to watch you.

XD

lol

bitcoin is the popular one while monero already did it right

lightning will change the game though in a year or two, i am very excited about the development

You really think so? I'm not so sure about the Lightning Network.

yes i think so, i am a big fan

also olauluwa is brilliant and i have a crush on elizabeth stark

so i am biased ho ho hoooo

sarcasm not working in chat. Couldn't tell

We will see.

i am not being sarcastic

if you think i am

the code for lightning is brilliant

lnd anyway, i havent checked out c-lightning or any others yet

The code might be brilliant but the technology is not so elegant. Watchtowers and channel refunding ( for nodes). I don't know.

i can understand your concern

anyway i am not being sarcastic

I do run a c-lightning node called »bitcoin.punk«

nice

But - I have come to the conclusion that Blockchain scales best through diversity. A world dominating Blockchain with a gigantic block size cannot work so perfectly. You have to cut back on something. Surely there is a block chain out there that is suitable for microtransactions. One for privacy etc. So the whole ecosystem scales decentralized with many smaller blockchain.

I've talked about this a few times. IMO there should be independent chains per continent, using cross-chain atomic swap for intercontinental transactions

and possibly even smaller chains, all geographically based

But why geographically and not by use case?

because that improves latency

Is that a thingß

?

WDY mean of course it's a thing

just ask any miner

if you want scaling, which means you want to maximize the headroom of transactions per second, you have to optimize latency too

how can you even pretend to be discussing scalability without taking that into account?

would probably be a requirement if you ever wanted to run a node on mars, since by time you get a block there'd be so many more waiting for you to download :)

indeed

impossible to sync a single blockchain across interplanetary distances

nodes will never catch up to other side

interesting. I haven't thought about that yet.

But it must also be mentioned that the global backbone will increase in capacity. New technologies in fiber optics etc.

get up to speed forum.getmonero.org/4/academic-and-…6964/random-thoughts-on-scalability

increase in capacity = fatter pipes. can carry more packets per second.

cannot decrease latency. speed of light is an absolute speed limit, regardless of how fat the pipes.

thx for the link.

Generate every possible block. When you know which one's the right one, destroy all universes except the one with the right block. Latency was ~0 in that one.

hyc for writing such a article u must have solved all your earth problems

congratulations

guernsey: don't be stupid. look at how many inventions that spun off of NASA's Apollo missions that are now commonplace household items

when you focus on solving future problems, you get a payoff in present-day solutions.

there are very few people and very powerful that wont let u anywhere

they dont let u go out of your house so dont expect mars

There's a sweet spot really. Enough short term to tide you over so you don't DoS yourself with unapplicable stuff, enough long term that you don't crash after all the short term's used up.

tickets are finished they are selled before many years

doesn't even matter. if you can solve the problems of scaling a network to Mars, you can vastly improve the operability of networks on Earth

for example we cannot solve the most easy ones

bool use_rct = true;

but tx still version 1

bool bulletproof = true;

tx still 1 !

"we" sounds more like just you, in this case

guernsey. Have you tried a debugger? gdb.

im not the best debugger

i change use_rct = everywhere from se_fork_rules(4, 0) to true;

still nothing

rct start from v4

Try gdb. gnu.org/software/gdb

is too complicated for me and i know what is happening

for some reason tx version is always 1

No - it is easy.

i must compile debug version

Yes.

You can do it. I believe in you. youtube.com/watch?v=HF4hJ_2aNg8

17:38 <guernsey> for some reason tx version is always 1 <-- using a debugger you can figure out why it is always 1

no excuse to not use one

XD

for eternal noobs like myself, an IDE like CLion helps - it has a GUI for gdb ;)

 

g

no, gdb

what?

It's probably better if he learns it right from the start.

guernsey: opening the monero project in CLion makes it easy to debug the various parts of the codebase because it integrates with cmake .. can recommend

i just compiled a debig version

debug

if gdb is enough gdb

i dont know

will help?

gdb wont help with this expression tx.version = rct ? 1 : 2;

It is a macro preprocessor . So it isexecuted before compiling.

But you can see the value tx.version with pretty much any gdb ui.

how?

See documentation link above -^

hyc why not talk to lightning about it

if i do a breakpoint to source file that trigger the error is ok?

to file line to be more exact

i have stack but i dont know how to find which is the error

Has anyone tried using Ledger Nano with CLI on OpenBSD? Is it possible?

does hidapi support openbsd?

It looks like there's a libhidapi on Ports, so maybe it will work

see this new payid nonsense?

wow, reinvent open alias. does it do automatic atomic swaps or something?

friend said "you put in the recipient and it finds the cheapest path"

friends also a ripplehead

If I want to just add Tor support to my existing public node, whats the best way to go about that? I want it to be available via RPC and p2p via Tor, but not exclusively

I went through github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/ANONYMITY_NETWORKS.md, but its a bit vague (to me) on how to actually just add p2p/RPC support over torsocks *in addition* to clearnet

prop up some tor tunnels and point them at the monero ports .... well, i think.

It may be as simple as adding a hidden service to 18080/18089

But it's not clear if that's actually the right route to go

fort3hlulz: gist.github.com/xmrdsc/2f2f0ce7a2d099f22e55ba9e4fe1bfba

maybe helps .. dont take my word for it though

Ah, thats helpful for i2p

Which I should do in addition to Tor!

I'll run through that for i2p, thanks dsc_

let me know if this guide still works lol

fort3hlulz, as i understand it, yeah its just a hidden service. thats how i used to run the tor proxy i had up

Anything similar for Tor? I think I can just use the same monerod commands paired with two new hidden_services on new ports

yeah but because of issues with the daemon you can almost never send txs with i2p

"lost all outbound connections to anonymity network"

lol, i2p and xmr

your coin will never get there...

I will bet you all my xmr that it does

Thanks for the helpful input mmxxx[m]

no problem :)

just use tor

at least it works

Why not both?

because i2p isn't very good

(c)(tm) guy on irc

:')

i'm on matrix :p

we see you on irc

:P

wen internet

niocbrrrrrr: you are currently on the internet

o_O

mmxxx[m]: regarding i2p, have you tried i2p-zero? Headache-less i2p hosting

i have not

lemme look into that

I am a potato and I was able to do so

just need changes with the daemon so that it plays nice

:)

so soon^2

dsc_ damn that was easy

already have my node running over i2p

Didn't even have i2p-zero installed before this

cool!

Tor is good now too I think :)

Have to test it out/play around with it though

Thanks for the help dsc_ and gingeropolous

right, so i'm giving i2p another shot

what is this good for

because with tor i can browse normally?

you cant browse the interwebs via i2p. well its not built for that but there are a few outproxies.

so this is a cordoned off internet with nobody on it? o_0

Proxy error: Host is down

mmxxx[m], yeah. there are people on it. its just difficult to find content.

or services. most stuff is listed on the web gui thing.... like exchanged.i2p , an i2p crypto exchange

seem to be a lot of proxy error:host not found messages...

seem to have stumbled across a bunch of russian language sites...

Can't be, there's nobody on it.

Like... the internet in 1980. Hell, the fucking earth in minus lots.

Monero in 2020.

Nobody on privacy in every fucking year.

these sites work but every linked that i've clicked on leads to a site with a lot of Cyrillic script...

legwork.i2p if you need a search engine inside i2p

moneromooo, thats fine though, because people can opt in if they need it

thats why bitcoins ok

ransack.i2p searched i2p, tor, and clearnet

because, yah know, you only need it sometimes

#logic

* ransack.i2p searches in i2p, tor, and clearnet

yeah, i'll just stick to tor

for now

might try zeronet

i2p is basically like tor but only onion services

<endor00[m]> legwork.i2p if you need a search engine inside i2p , nice

And no entry/exit nodes, everyone is a peer and router

(Which is a better model imo, though it comes with a bit of a performance penalty)

well not if more people were running it

that and if somehow they got IPFS in their somehow

Official stats say ~50k routers around the world

And my fast router only ever sees ~4k people at all times

<gingeropolous "that and if somehow they got IPF"> There are a bunch of ipfs inproxies/mirrors in i2p

Same for zeronet, I'm pretty sure I've seen at least one

i just meant for the i2p network itself. seems an ideal environment for what is effectively a decentralized CDN

IPFS over I2P/Tor is completely stupid

why?

(genuine question, I have no idea why)

Because the intermediate nodes don't do any caching, and because IPFS is stupid

If you want "IPFS over I2P," there is a project from the 2000s which does that job in a more efficient way called "Freenet"

There is also ZeroNet, which is BitTorrent over Tor, and that works better for most practical purposes.

iirc BT over Tor is not awesome for anyone

BT over i2p is betterer

in theory, sure. in practice, no - i2p is extremely slow and is misconstructed

ah yeah freenet

jtgrassie, ure pools killin it

It's a shame there's no working P2Pool for Monero. I have a half-baked idea for how to fix the block time problem, but I'm not sure if it's incentive-compatible

hi, i keept blaming ISP i called them and nuthin, i realised xmr wallet open was turning off my connection for a minute or two a few times a hour

all house not only mine

walletconhi, i keept blaming ISP i called them and nuthin, i realised xmr wallet open was turning off my connection for a minute or two a few times a hourall house not only mine

monero gui?

yep

local node or remote node?

local i think

its been few hours i don't open it, last time few minutes after it just rekted

local node is when i donwloaded whole chain right?

yes

yep then

anyway if a program can kill your network then something is weird

does it only stop working on your computer or on the whole network?

whole network both wifi and my ethernet cable

i went thru really strange things lately

Try --no-igd. If it still does it, it's likely your router's fault or your ISP's.

Maybe they don't like too many connections being made. monerod tries to connect to known node addresses to find peers.

To test this, you might want to select one particular outgoing connection, then restart monerod with: --add-exclusive-node THATIP

If your internet connection doesn't drop again, it's likely the reason.

Also, check your router logs. They might mention something.

Note that --add-exclusive-node THATIP:PORT is just for testing, it's not a good idea to have that otherwise.

i will check router logs right away

could it be the router firewall?

i just see its on medium, low is off

also, i just noticed its the gui wallet, i get green dots at certain times

it okay now but was mining once and was pretty enjoyable

It could be the router firewall, sure. Or not.

Basically if it's on your computer, it's probably not the culprit since it cuts off the whole house.

It's probably something else that reacts to what monerod does.

ill test it for a while, i worry tbh i wouldn't like strange things to happen again

Like, something on the router gets out of memory and restarts, maybee.

but wasn't mining before, yet i was on ubuntu , a firewall sounds acceptable

thanks for your help btw

np, let us know if you work it out, I've heard that kind of thing before, but no idea why ye.

yet

I suspect shitty routers :)

i had to limit duplicati upload speed because it was killing my modem and router. was really odd and was never able to track it down fully. but if i limited duplicati upload i had no issues.

i'm lucky if the router thing works, im clueless how to do anything else, my router doesn't even give me logs

I had an old netgear router with a memory leak. after a few million packets of traffic it would hang

always needed to be rebooted then. could almost count it down, after X bytes transferred.

well, doesn't work, will try again in a future, thanks for the hel