04:06:22 <kinghat[m]> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/dyz3v7/online-drug-markets-are-entering-a-golden-age
04:06:22 <kinghat[m]> «A new, technically advanced market called White House has also been launched, gaining 10,000 listings, 100,000 users and many trusted vendors. It features a compulsory Bitcoin-Monero converter at checkout, allowing vendors to be paid in Monero, a more anonymous cryptocurrency.»
04:11:12 <gingeropolous> waaaat
04:27:02 <gingeropolous> damn, mr. high fee is back: https://xmrchain.net/tx/082efdc0228714e9fd99baa92d665ef1de17b9ce495d5195a741d5f1dab5911d
06:15:07 <guernsey> hello
07:15:19 <guernsey>  d4ndo[m]  i change this to true but nothing happened bool construct_tx_with_tx_key
07:17:14 <amuro> How to retrieve a cli-wallet if I dont have the wallet file? I only have 25 words
07:18:15 <guernsey> monerod --help |grep generate
07:18:43 <endor00[m]> <guernsey "monerod --help |grep generate"> Nope
07:19:02 <amuro> https://web.getmonero.org/resources/user-guides/restore_account.html <--- Is this how I restore it?
07:19:13 <selsta> amuro: ./monero-wallet-cli --restore-deterministic-wallet
07:19:30 <amuro> selsta: thx
07:19:37 <amuro> Lemme try
07:25:58 <amuro> selsta: What if I want to use remote node instead of local node, what do I do?
07:26:22 <selsta> add --daemon-address
07:30:03 <amuro> What do I enter in Specify Electrum seed: ?
07:30:21 <amuro> the 25 words with space between them?
07:30:42 <selsta> yes
07:31:01 <amuro> then what about Enter seed offset passphrase, empty if none: ?
07:31:07 <selsta> empty
07:31:26 <selsta> (just press enter)
07:33:26 <nonie> I have revised the text once again. https://github.com/nonie-sys/monero-timestamp
07:44:35 <zib> moneromooo: the monero logfile from start to crash ended up behing 7gbs (200mb compressed). Can i filter it for something specific or just upload it somewhere. I assume i cant post 200mb to a github issue.
07:45:00 <amuro> selsta: Restore from specific blockchain height (optional, default 0),
07:45:02 <amuro> or alternatively from speci
07:45:46 <zib> moneromooo: i assume all [.... INC] can be filtered maybe. and OUT
07:45:51 <amuro> Do I restore from a specific date?
07:46:25 <selsta> amuro: yes
07:46:30 <selsta> when did you first receive a transaction
07:46:34 <selsta> enter a date before it
07:46:46 <amuro> oh I forgot haha
07:46:56 <amuro> I just press enter and now it is loading...
07:47:11 <selsta> yea but now it will take ages to scan all blocks
07:47:18 <selsta> because you skipped restore height :P
07:47:27 <amuro> so how do I stop?
07:47:34 <selsta> you can just wait too
07:47:34 <amuro> crrl-C and redo everything again?
07:47:46 <selsta> it should not take too long
07:47:49 <selsta> 1 hour
07:48:04 <amuro> I probably received first tracsaction around 2017
07:48:16 <amuro> maybe Nov 2017
07:48:20 <selsta> then you can try redoing with 2017-01-01
07:48:26 <selsta> or just wait
07:48:37 <amuro> Height 88909 / 2126054
07:48:55 <amuro> its quite slow
07:49:38 <amuro> so how i pause? ctrl-c?
07:49:56 <selsta> yes
07:57:22 <amuro> selsta: Error: failed to get blockchain height ?
07:57:34 <selsta> which remote node did you use?
07:58:17 <amuro> node.moneroworld.com:18089
07:59:19 <selsta> does it work even with the error message?
07:59:25 <amuro> no
07:59:45 <selsta> then try a different one, e.g. node.xmr.to:18081
07:59:56 <amuro> It keeps asking for blockchain height
08:00:15 <selsta> and add --trusted-daemon
08:00:39 <selsta> yes, try a different remote. node.moneroworld.com:18089 will use a random remote node, which can be buggy
08:01:33 <amuro> which one is not buggy?
08:02:09 <selsta> 09:59 <selsta> then try a different one, e.g. node.xmr.to:18081
08:54:23 <d4ndo[m]> “Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect.”
08:54:23 <d4ndo[m]> ― Mark Twain
08:55:19 <mmxxx[m]> :)
08:55:32 <d4ndo[m]> I got that from unix fortune - today. Just throwing that in.
08:57:18 <azy> unix fortune?
08:57:51 <mmxxx[m]> i'd forgotten about that
08:57:58 <mmxxx[m]> had it installed years ago
08:58:03 <mmxxx[m]> on an x200
08:58:05 <mmxxx[m]> i think
08:58:09 <mmxxx[m]> or t400
09:15:25 <d4ndo[m]> azy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortune_%28Unix%29
09:42:54 <moneromooo> zib: for a crash, I mostly need the stack trace.
09:43:13 <moneromooo> You can post the last dozen lines of the log too, might be somehting interesting.
09:43:22 <zib> ok
10:31:18 <d4ndo[m]> What is this Monero Proof of existence about?
10:32:10 <d4ndo[m]> Or timestamp
10:34:43 <asymptotically> is it like opentimestamps but using the monero blockchain instead of btc?
10:34:50 <d4ndo[m]> Ah ok - i get it.
10:34:52 <d4ndo[m]> was confused.
10:35:07 <d4ndo[m]> thought so. thanks
10:35:40 <asymptotically> d4ndo[m]: this? https://taiga.getmonero.org/project/ajs-atesti/timeline
10:36:43 <selsta> asymptotically: https://github.com/nonie-sys/monero-timestamp
10:41:26 <d4ndo[m]> cool. But there seems to be no development atm.
10:42:15 <d4ndo[m]> I guess sending a pico monero is ok.
10:42:59 <d4ndo[m]> Is there a reason you can not store a hash on Monero?
10:43:52 <asymptotically> in bitcoin script you can shove whatever data you want after an OP_RETURN. i think in monero you can put whatever you want in the tx_extra field but someone might get upset
10:47:02 <d4ndo[m]> By someone you mean miner!?
11:21:59 <asymptotically> d4ndo[m]: i was thinking more the developers that have spent a lot of time making transactions all look the same, then you go stuff something into them making yours stand out
11:34:11 <azy> why dont they disallow it then?
11:44:12 <tevador> a relevant discussion is here: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/6668
12:12:57 <gingeropolous> man nothing tracks the passage of time like http://monerop.com/
12:13:04 <gingeropolous> time since last block.
12:53:17 <d4ndo[m]> asymptotically: To be honest I haven't understood Monero 100% yet. But it's logical what you're saying.
12:58:21 <poro> hello, Its been a while since I last checked monero
12:58:36 <poro> how is it in terms of moving money from fiat to monero and back
12:58:44 <poro> has it been censored a lot?
12:58:56 <poro> or banned I should say
12:59:20 <d4ndo[m]> No - not banned.
12:59:37 <poro> nice
12:59:44 <poro> I think I will buy some
12:59:56 <poro> how big is the blockchain this days?
13:00:09 <d4ndo[m]> ¨ 90 GB
13:00:19 <poro> oh wow it really grew
13:00:46 <d4ndo[m]> But iit is growing slower because of bulletproof implementation.
13:01:01 <d4ndo[m]> also the fees are pretty low now.
13:01:26 <moneromooo> Somewhere between 25 GB and 30 GB for a pruned db.
13:02:10 <d4ndo[m]> Yes a pruned blockchain is ~ 25-30 GiB
13:02:34 <poro> does the pruning lose some functionality?
13:02:46 <d4ndo[m]> No
13:02:50 <poro> I remember pruning my bitcoin blockchain without my wallet loaded and then I had the redownload the whole thing
13:04:18 <asymptotically> poro: bitcoin pruning only keeps the most recent N blocks, so the wallet isn't able to look back at the older blocks to see if you got any payments :(
13:04:27 <asymptotically> you can rescan a monero wallet from scratch with a pruned node though
13:04:37 <poro> thats awesome
13:05:12 <d4ndo[m]> Nah is no botch,
13:05:58 <d4ndo[m]> SSD is recommended.
13:07:14 <poro> Noob question, is the whole cryptocurrency space stable independently of the coin
13:07:50 <poro> like as long as the coin that you have has some inherent value, does it benefit from the stability of the whole cryptocurrency market
13:08:04 <poro> inherent value based on the technology it uses I mean
13:08:09 <poro> so excluding shitcoins
13:08:45 <poro> So what Im saying is, is it unlikely that a billionare will manipulate the monero market specifically
13:10:49 <moneromooo> So you're after tech that prevents rich people from buying and selling to change the exchange rate ?
13:11:00 <d4ndo[m]> Lets say it this way: If Bitcoin goes to 0 - Monero will probably be used by a view nerds on some Unix machines..
13:11:08 <moneromooo> There are coins that do that, allegedly. Stable coins.
13:11:11 <yanmaani> does Monero support proof of balance like in bitcoin?
13:11:18 <yanmaani> moneromooo: big emphasis on 'allegedly'
13:11:36 <yanmaani> it's either just banking with extra crime, or "perpetual motion" tier crackpots
13:12:29 <poro> no, what Im saying is, how anti-fragile is it, so if monero was the only crypto out there, it would be easier for a billionare to manipulate the market, since the whole market cap is like 1 billion right
13:12:47 <yanmaani> it is 100% impossible to "manipulate the market"
13:13:01 <poro> but if an actual manipulation were to start happening, would people just buy bitcoin with their monero, and wait and then buy monero back, preventing anything from happening
13:13:03 <poro> or something like that
13:13:04 <yanmaani> for bitcoin, monero, anything. The price is what people are willing to buy/sell it for
13:13:29 <yanmaani> maybe? there's a specific ghetto for pricetalk, I think #monero-markets
13:25:20 <moneromooo> If monero was the only crypto, people would not start buying bitcoin with monero.
13:25:50 <moneromooo> Also, you never defined "manipulate" I think.
13:26:09 <moneromooo> People usually define it as "it doesn't do what I think it should do" :)
13:38:31 <d4ndo[m]> Let's face it, Bitcoin is a bit like Jupiter. Its gravity ensures that there are not so many impacts on Monero.
13:43:15 <moneromooo> It's a bit like Jupiter. It's got a large eye to watch you.
13:43:40 <d4ndo[m]> XD
13:49:37 <anicow> lol
13:49:52 <anicow> bitcoin is the popular one while monero already did it right
13:50:14 <anicow> lightning will change the game though in a year or two, i am very excited about the development
13:56:07 <d4ndo[m]> You really think so? I'm not so sure about the Lightning Network.
13:58:33 <anicow> yes i think so, i am a big fan
13:58:47 <anicow> also olauluwa is brilliant and i have a crush on elizabeth stark
13:59:02 <anicow> so i am biased ho ho hoooo
14:04:22 <d4ndo[m]> sarcasm not working in chat. Couldn't tell
14:09:20 <d4ndo[m]> We will see.
14:11:31 <anicow> i am not being sarcastic
14:11:34 <anicow> if you think i am
14:11:57 <anicow> the code for lightning is brilliant
14:12:07 <anicow> lnd anyway, i havent checked out c-lightning or any others yet
14:13:30 <d4ndo[m]> The code might be brilliant but the technology is not so elegant. Watchtowers and channel refunding ( for nodes).  I don't know.
14:14:50 <anicow> i can understand your concern
14:14:57 <anicow> anyway i am not being sarcastic
14:18:06 <d4ndo[m]> I do run a c-lightning node called »bitcoin.punk«
14:19:07 <d4ndo[m]> https://1ml.com/node/029d50d59c78b81a39f4ca40b6bc9b89710542a31429b69aa075b91b587979205d
14:30:47 <anicow> nice
14:36:07 <d4ndo[m]> But - I have come to the conclusion that Blockchain scales best through diversity. A world dominating Blockchain with a gigantic block size cannot work so perfectly. You have to cut back on something. Surely there is a block chain out there that is suitable for microtransactions. One for privacy etc. So the whole ecosystem scales decentralized with many smaller blockchain.
14:37:30 <hyc> I've talked about this a few times. IMO there should be independent chains per continent, using cross-chain atomic swap for intercontinental transactions
14:37:57 <hyc> and possibly even smaller chains, all geographically based
14:39:40 <d4ndo[m]> But why geographically and not by use case?
14:40:22 <hyc> because that improves latency
14:40:52 <d4ndo[m]> Is that a thingß
14:40:55 <d4ndo[m]> ?
14:41:01 <hyc> WDY mean of course it's a thing
14:41:11 <hyc> just ask any miner
14:41:36 <hyc> if you want scaling, which means you want to maximize the headroom of transactions per second, you have to optimize latency too
14:42:01 <hyc> how can you even pretend to be discussing scalability without taking that into account?
14:44:29 <asymptotically> would probably be a requirement if you ever wanted to run a node on mars, since by time you get a block there'd be so many more waiting for you to download :)
14:45:15 <hyc> indeed
14:45:40 <hyc> impossible to sync a single blockchain across interplanetary distances
14:46:05 <hyc> nodes will never catch up to other side
14:52:54 <d4ndo[m]> interesting. I haven't thought about that yet.
14:55:41 <d4ndo[m]> But it must also be mentioned that the global backbone will increase in capacity. New technologies in fiber optics etc.
14:55:47 <hyc> get up to speed https://forum.getmonero.org/4/academic-and-technical/86964/random-thoughts-on-scalability
14:56:20 <hyc> increase in capacity = fatter pipes. can carry more packets per second.
14:56:40 <hyc> cannot decrease latency. speed of light is an absolute speed limit, regardless of how fat the pipes.
14:58:12 <d4ndo[m]> thx for the link.
15:00:25 <moneromooo> Generate every possible block. When you know which one's the right one, destroy all universes except the one with the right block. Latency was ~0 in that one.
15:03:48 <guernsey> hyc for writing such a article u must have solved all your earth problems
15:03:55 <guernsey> congratulations
15:05:31 <hyc> guernsey: don't be stupid. look at how many inventions that spun off of NASA's Apollo missions that are now commonplace household items
15:05:52 <hyc> when you focus on solving future problems, you get a payoff in present-day solutions.
15:07:11 <guernsey> there are very few people and very powerful that wont let u anywhere
15:07:36 <guernsey> they dont let u go out of your house so dont expect mars
15:08:12 <moneromooo> There's a sweet spot really. Enough short term to tide you over so you don't DoS yourself with unapplicable stuff, enough long term that you don't crash after all the short term's used up.
15:08:15 <guernsey> tickets are finished they are selled before many years
15:08:19 <hyc> doesn't even matter. if you can solve the problems of scaling a network to Mars, you can vastly improve the operability of networks on Earth
15:14:03 <guernsey> for example we cannot solve the most easy ones
15:14:09 <guernsey> bool use_rct = true;
15:14:18 <guernsey> but tx still version 1
15:14:34 <guernsey> bool bulletproof = true;
15:14:40 <guernsey> tx still 1 !
15:15:34 <hyc> "we" sounds more like just you, in this case
15:33:25 <d4ndo[m]> guernsey. Have you tried a debugger? gdb.
15:34:07 <guernsey> im not the best debugger
15:34:49 <guernsey> i change use_rct = everywhere from se_fork_rules(4, 0)  to true;
15:34:52 <guernsey> still nothing
15:35:16 <guernsey> rct start from v4
15:37:23 <d4ndo[m]> Try gdb. https://www.gnu.org/software/gdb/
15:38:11 <guernsey> is too complicated for me and i know what is happening
15:38:24 <guernsey> for some reason tx version is always 1
15:38:27 <d4ndo[m]> No - it is easy.
15:39:56 <guernsey> i must compile debug version
15:40:15 <d4ndo[m]> Yes.
15:43:30 <d4ndo[m]> You can do it. I believe in you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HF4hJ_2aNg8
15:46:05 <selsta> 17:38 <guernsey> for some reason tx version is always 1 <-- using a debugger you can figure out why it is always 1
15:46:32 <selsta> no excuse to not use one
15:47:22 <d4ndo[m]> XD
15:48:46 <dsc_> for eternal noobs like myself, an IDE like CLion helps - it has a GUI for gdb ;)
15:49:13 <thrmo>  
15:49:19 <thrmo> g
15:49:33 <dsc_> no, gdb
15:50:03 <guernsey> what?
15:50:38 <d4ndo[m]> It's probably better if he learns it right from the start.
15:50:48 <dsc_> guernsey: opening the monero project in CLion makes it easy to debug the various parts of the codebase because it integrates with cmake .. can recommend
15:52:17 <guernsey> i just compiled a debig version
15:52:20 <guernsey> debug
15:52:46 <guernsey> if gdb is enough gdb
15:52:51 <guernsey> i dont know
15:54:47 <guernsey> https://github.com/cyrus-and/gdb-dashboard
15:54:54 <guernsey> will help?
16:00:49 <d4ndo[m]> gdb wont help with this expression tx.version = rct ? 1 : 2;
16:01:14 <d4ndo[m]> It is a macro preprocessor . So it isexecuted before compiling.
16:02:11 <d4ndo[m]> But you can see the value tx.version with pretty much any gdb ui.
16:10:09 <guernsey> how?
16:11:16 <d4ndo[m]> See documentation link above -^
16:12:14 <anicow> hyc why not talk to lightning about it
16:17:06 <guernsey> if i do a breakpoint to source file that trigger the error is ok?
16:17:33 <guernsey> to file line to be more exact
16:21:17 <guernsey> i have stack but i dont know how to find which is the error
16:31:28 <ajsodjsad> Has anyone tried using Ledger Nano with CLI on OpenBSD? Is it possible?
16:34:13 <selsta> does hidapi support openbsd?
16:39:57 <ajsodjsad> It looks like there's a libhidapi on Ports, so maybe it will work
17:41:48 <gingeropolous> see this new payid nonsense?
17:42:12 <gingeropolous> wow, reinvent open alias. does it do automatic atomic swaps or something?
17:42:29 <gingeropolous> friend said "you put in the recipient and it finds the cheapest path"
17:42:33 <gingeropolous> friends also a ripplehead
17:50:23 <fort3hlulz> If I want to just add Tor support to my existing public node, whats the best way to go about that? I want it to be available via RPC and p2p via Tor, but not exclusively
17:50:50 <fort3hlulz> I went through https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/ANONYMITY_NETWORKS.md, but its a bit vague (to me) on how to actually just add p2p/RPC support over torsocks *in addition* to clearnet
17:51:22 <gingeropolous> prop up some tor tunnels and point them at the monero ports .... well, i think.
17:55:16 <fort3hlulz> It may be as simple as adding a hidden service to 18080/18089
17:55:28 <fort3hlulz> But it's not clear if that's actually the right route to go
17:55:35 <dsc_> fort3hlulz: https://gist.github.com/xmrdsc/2f2f0ce7a2d099f22e55ba9e4fe1bfba
17:55:53 <dsc_> maybe helps .. dont take my word for it though
17:56:03 <fort3hlulz> Ah, thats helpful for i2p
17:56:08 <fort3hlulz> Which I should do in addition to Tor!
17:56:15 <fort3hlulz> I'll run through that for i2p, thanks dsc_
17:56:49 <dsc_> let me know if this guide still works lol
17:56:51 <gingeropolous> fort3hlulz, as i understand it, yeah its just a hidden service. thats how i used to run the tor proxy i had up
17:57:18 <fort3hlulz> Anything similar for Tor? I think I can just use the same monerod commands paired with two new hidden_services on new ports
17:58:46 <niocbrrrrrr> yeah but because of issues with the daemon you can almost never send txs with i2p
18:00:05 <niocbrrrrrr> "lost all outbound connections to anonymity network"
18:01:41 <mmxxx[m]> lol, i2p and xmr
18:01:45 <mmxxx[m]> your coin will never get there...
18:02:20 <niocbrrrrrr> I will bet you all my xmr that it does
18:02:27 <fort3hlulz> Thanks for the helpful input mmxxx[m]
18:02:37 <mmxxx[m]> no problem :)
18:02:39 <mmxxx[m]> just use tor
18:02:48 <mmxxx[m]> at least it works
18:02:52 <fort3hlulz> Why not both?
18:03:12 <mmxxx[m]> because i2p isn't very good
18:03:20 <dsc_> (c)(tm) guy on irc
18:03:25 <dsc_> :')
18:03:38 <mmxxx[m]> i'm on matrix :p
18:03:51 <niocbrrrrrr> we see you on irc
18:03:52 <dsc_> :P
18:04:47 <niocbrrrrrr> wen internet
18:05:39 <dsc_> niocbrrrrrr: you are currently on the internet
18:05:50 <niocbrrrrrr> o_O
18:06:06 <dsc_> mmxxx[m]: regarding i2p, have you tried i2p-zero? Headache-less i2p hosting
18:06:24 <mmxxx[m]> i have not
18:06:28 <mmxxx[m]> lemme look into that
18:06:43 <niocbrrrrrr> I am a potato and I was able to do so
18:07:09 <niocbrrrrrr> just need changes with the daemon so that it plays nice
18:07:11 <mmxxx[m]> :)
18:07:56 <niocbrrrrrr> so soon^2
18:11:24 <fort3hlulz> dsc_ damn that was easy
18:11:30 <fort3hlulz> already have my node running over i2p
18:11:40 <fort3hlulz> Didn't even have i2p-zero installed before this
18:13:06 <dsc_> cool!
18:23:02 <fort3hlulz> Tor is good now too I think :)
18:23:08 <fort3hlulz> Have to test it out/play around with it though
18:23:13 <fort3hlulz> Thanks for the help dsc_ and gingeropolous
18:27:18 <mmxxx[m]> right, so i'm giving i2p another shot
18:27:22 <mmxxx[m]> what is this good for
18:27:28 <mmxxx[m]> because with tor i can browse normally?
18:29:00 <kinghat[m]> you cant browse the interwebs via i2p. well its not built for that but there are a few outproxies.
18:30:38 <mmxxx[m]> so this is a cordoned off internet with nobody on it? o_0
18:32:24 <mmxxx[m]> Proxy error: Host is down
18:53:48 <gingeropolous> mmxxx[m], yeah. there are people on it. its just difficult to find content.
18:54:24 <gingeropolous> or services. most stuff is listed on the web gui thing.... like exchanged.i2p , an i2p crypto exchange
18:59:25 <mmxxx[m]> seem to be a lot of proxy error:host not found messages...
19:06:43 <mmxxx[m]> seem to have stumbled across a bunch of russian language sites...
19:07:08 <moneromooo> Can't be, there's nobody on it.
19:08:07 <moneromooo> Like... the internet in 1980. Hell, the fucking earth in minus lots.
19:08:29 <moneromooo> Monero in 2020.
19:08:51 <moneromooo> Nobody on privacy in every fucking year.
19:08:56 <mmxxx[m]> http://identiguy.i2p/
19:09:42 <mmxxx[m]> these sites work but every linked that i've clicked on leads to a site with a lot of Cyrillic script...
19:16:08 <endor00[m]> http://legwork.i2p if you need a search engine inside i2p
19:16:13 <gingeropolous> moneromooo, thats fine though, because people can opt in if they need it
19:16:16 <gingeropolous> thats why bitcoins ok
19:16:30 <endor00[m]> http://ransack.i2p searched i2p, tor, and clearnet
19:16:32 <gingeropolous> because, yah know, you only need it sometimes
19:16:41 <gingeropolous>  #logic
19:16:41 <endor00[m]> * http://ransack.i2p searches in i2p, tor, and clearnet
19:16:53 <mmxxx[m]> yeah, i'll just stick to tor
19:16:54 <mmxxx[m]> for now
19:16:59 <mmxxx[m]> might try zeronet
19:17:27 <endor00[m]> i2p is basically like tor but only onion services
19:17:30 <gingeropolous> <endor00[m]> http://legwork.i2p if you need a search engine inside i2p , nice
19:17:46 <endor00[m]> And no entry/exit nodes, everyone is a peer and router
19:18:22 <endor00[m]> (Which is a better model imo, though it comes with a bit of a performance penalty)
19:18:34 <gingeropolous> well not if more people were running it
19:18:58 <gingeropolous> that and if somehow they got IPFS in their somehow
19:19:08 <endor00[m]> Official stats say ~50k routers around the world
19:19:26 <endor00[m]> And my fast router only ever sees ~4k people at all times
19:19:46 <endor00[m]> <gingeropolous "that and if somehow they got IPF"> There are a bunch of ipfs inproxies/mirrors in i2p
19:20:30 <endor00[m]> Same for zeronet, I'm pretty sure I've seen at least one
19:20:53 <gingeropolous> i just meant for the i2p network itself. seems an ideal environment for what is effectively a decentralized CDN
20:21:49 <yanmaani> IPFS over I2P/Tor is completely stupid
20:22:09 <endor00[m]> why?
20:22:18 <endor00[m]> (genuine question, I have no idea why)
20:26:14 <yanmaani> Because the intermediate nodes don't do any caching, and because IPFS is stupid
20:26:41 <yanmaani> If you want "IPFS over I2P," there is a project from the 2000s which does that job in a more efficient way called "Freenet"
20:27:23 <yanmaani> There is also ZeroNet, which is BitTorrent over Tor, and that works better for most practical purposes.
21:12:08 <kinghat[m]> iirc BT over Tor is not awesome for anyone
21:12:29 <kinghat[m]> BT over i2p is betterer
21:42:27 <yanmaani> in theory, sure. in practice, no - i2p is extremely slow and is misconstructed
21:45:47 <gingeropolous> ah yeah freenet
21:53:23 <gingeropolous> jtgrassie, ure pools killin it
22:21:04 <yanmaani> It's a shame there's no working P2Pool for Monero. I have a half-baked idea for how to fix the block time problem, but I'm not sure if it's incentive-compatible
22:51:01 <walletcon> hi, i keept blaming ISP i called them and nuthin, i realised xmr wallet open was turning off my connection for a minute or two a few times a hour
22:51:14 <walletcon> all house not only mine
23:16:29 <walletcon> walletconhi, i keept blaming ISP i called them and nuthin, i realised xmr wallet open was turning off my connection for a minute or two a few times a hourall house not only mine
23:17:16 <selsta> monero gui?
23:18:18 <walletcon> yep
23:20:55 <selsta> local node or remote node?
23:21:29 <walletcon> local i think
23:21:50 <walletcon> its been few hours i don't open it, last time few minutes after it just rekted
23:22:01 <walletcon> local node is when i donwloaded whole chain right?
23:22:33 <selsta> yes
23:22:39 <walletcon> yep then
23:22:57 <selsta> anyway if a program can kill your network then something is weird
23:23:05 <selsta> does it only stop working on your computer or on the whole network?
23:23:18 <walletcon> whole network both wifi and my ethernet cable
23:23:26 <walletcon> i went thru really strange things lately
23:24:00 <moneromooo> Try --no-igd. If it still does it, it's likely your router's fault or your ISP's.
23:24:52 <moneromooo> Maybe they don't like too many connections being made. monerod tries to connect to known node addresses to find peers.
23:25:53 <moneromooo> To test this, you might want to select one particular outgoing connection, then restart monerod with: --add-exclusive-node THATIP
23:26:12 <moneromooo> If your internet connection doesn't drop again, it's likely the reason.
23:26:51 <moneromooo> Also, check your router logs. They might mention something.
23:28:14 <moneromooo> Note that --add-exclusive-node THATIP:PORT is just for testing, it's not a good idea to have that otherwise.
23:28:27 <walletcon> i will check router logs right away
23:31:42 <walletcon> could it be the router firewall?
23:31:58 <walletcon> i just see its on medium, low is off
23:33:08 <walletcon> also, i just noticed its the gui wallet, i get green dots at certain times
23:33:36 <walletcon> it okay now but was mining once and was pretty enjoyable
23:34:46 <moneromooo> It could be the router firewall, sure. Or not.
23:35:23 <moneromooo> Basically if it's on your computer, it's probably not the culprit since it cuts off the whole house.
23:35:38 <moneromooo> It's probably something else that reacts to what monerod does.
23:35:40 <walletcon> ill test it for a while, i worry tbh i wouldn't like strange things to happen again
23:35:54 <moneromooo> Like, something on the router gets out of memory and restarts, maybee.
23:36:11 <walletcon> but wasn't mining before, yet i was on ubuntu , a firewall sounds acceptable
23:36:24 <walletcon> thanks for your help btw
23:37:13 <moneromooo> np, let us know if you work it out, I've heard that kind of thing before, but no idea why ye.
23:37:16 <moneromooo> yet
23:37:25 <moneromooo> I suspect shitty routers :)
23:37:34 <kinghat[m]> i had to limit duplicati upload speed because it was killing my modem and router. was really odd and was never able to track it down fully. but if i limited duplicati upload i had no issues.
23:39:14 <walletcon> i'm lucky if the router thing works, im clueless how to do anything else, my router doesn't even give me logs
23:42:50 <hyc> I had an old netgear router with a memory leak. after a few million packets of traffic it would hang
23:43:29 <hyc> always needed to be rebooted then. could almost count it down, after X bytes transferred.
23:46:16 <walletcon84> well, doesn't work, will try again in a future, thanks for the hel