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takel
hi
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takel
why there is no gui irc
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yanmaani
there is
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yanmaani
hexchat
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yanmaani
etc
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takel
i mean monero-gui irc
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yanmaani
IRC in the monero wallet??
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takel
irc for monero wallet
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yanmaani
you mean an irc channel?
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selsta
takel: there is
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selsta
#monero-gui ?
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takel
ah for some reasons i didnt c
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takel
selsta version 15.04 dont need gcrypt so compile is ok but what to do for the future
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takel
i tried many times but no success
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selsta
maybe you can ask the gcrypt devs how to compile it for android?
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takel
even after compiling with ndk last version r21
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takel
u mean to mail them
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selsta
maybe they have irc channel
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selsta
same devs as gpg
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takel
hmm good
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selsta
the other idea I have is making it optional on android
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selsta
because libgrypt is only used for updating the gui which is not essential
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takel
right so to add an if
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takel
but where
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takel
on main.cpp
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erikd
i have my monerod listening only on tor and have set an anonymous-inbound address
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erikd
i know the tor bit works because i can connect to the wallet rpx over tor
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erikd
however, when i do sync_info, i only see clearn addresses
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erikd
anyone have a tor peer I can connect to using add-peer ?
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takel
selsta where to add that if
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selsta
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selsta
this is the code that added libgcrypt
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takel
oh 18 files
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selsta
look at main.cpp specifically
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takel
on main.cpp there is no much but i must remove from cmake fiels too
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takel
files too
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selsta
no cmake is not used
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selsta
in build process
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takel
why is added for future use?
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takel
if i remove anything from main.cpp is enough?
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takel
i try
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takel
i remove from pro file too
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selsta
might be enough. might not
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selsta
I can try to make a patch in the next days
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takel
good
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duso
Do I need to advertise my public IP to the p2p network when starting monerod or just port forward 18080 and it will be discovered?
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yanmaani
monerod does it for you
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duso
how does monerod know my public IP when it is behind nat?
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yanmaani
upnp
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yanmaani
Oh wait yes, you should probably open 18080
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duso
I have upnp disabled, too much a security risk. I would rather manually control port forwarding on firewall
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yanmaani
Yeah, just open that one and it should be fine
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duso
I seem to be getting a lot of stacktrace events in my monerod.log, but they are only [info], is the freebsd monero-cli package just configured by default to verbosely log? Should I be looking into these info events?
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duso
this is all gibberish to me =) 2020-05-24 02:51:41.446 [P2P0] INFO stacktrace src/common/stack_trace.cpp:163 f 0x15499ef epee::net_utils::boosted_tcp_server<epee::levin::async_protocol_handler<nodetool::p2p_connection_context_t<cryptonote::cryptonote_connection_context> >>::worker_thread(void) + 0x1df
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DinTe
!seen doctorx
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fRit_^
hi, I've found in log those line: ---block added as alternative on hight... reorganize success! What does it mean?
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fRit_^
ok, it doesn't matter :)
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xmrmatterbridge
<rbrunner7> That's the "consensus algorithm" at work: Two blocks where found nearly at the same time, and both propagated to parts of the network until that became aware of the conflict. The network then settled on the "better" of the two blocks, and your daemon tells you now the result.
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Infinity8
wooo hoo new monero update
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Infinity8
much excite
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Inge-
hm. TOR browser has stopped warning about maximizing windows. Did they just remove the nag or is it less of an issue for fingerprinting than it used to be?
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Quotes
fuck windows, use linux!
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d4ndo[m]
Inge-: Probably both.
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ErCiccione[m]
Inge-: It's not an issue anymore, they fixed it in one of the last releases
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Jackman1
is it possible to mine monero on a dedicated server
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Jackman1
profitability
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Jackman1
?
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d4ndo[m]
You could use it to mine monero. Lets say you use it for some web shop. Why not!?
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d4ndo[m]
You paid for it.
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asymptotically
Inge-: have a look at a webpage while you resize it. it moves in big steps now
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d4ndo[m]
But i would call the mining process with "nice -n 19 ./xmrrig " so the web shop is not interupted.
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d4ndo[m]
Don't rely on the xmrrig settings. let the OS do the process sceduleing. »nice»
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d4ndo[m]
Renting the dedicated server for pure mining wont be profitable.
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Jackman2
fuck off
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Jackman2
could mining monero on a dedicated server cover all the renting cost and more?
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asymptotically
no
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Jackman2
ok
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asymptotically
you can work it out yourself with a mining calculator but every host is going to be deep into loss territory
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d4ndo[m]
It's like renting an apartment and then subletting it. The tenant won't pay you any more rent either.
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Infinity8
Jackman2: it's whether or not you'll lose more or less money
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Jackman2
ok
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Jackman2
I'm not interested then
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Infinity8
thank you, please come again.
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d4ndo[m]
I could imagine renting computing power depending on the lottery tickets sold, and then drawing a winner after a month. A kind of lottery mining. That would be profitable for the operator.
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d4ndo[m]
But that would not be morally correct.
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asymptotically
binaryFate: i think that something has gone wrong with your stagenet public node, it takes a very long time to reply to any request
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Jackman2
what are main competitors of monero?
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Jackman2
if there is any serious ones
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sunnuc[m]
<Jackman2 "what are main competitors of mon"> seems like many are still using the old Bitcoin
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binaryFate
asymptotically: it's possible there's too much usage, stagenet node is not a particularly large instance
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binaryFate
can check tomorrow
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moneromooo
A short list would be bitcoin, grin, zcash I guess. Possibly some others that don't come to mind immediately
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asymptotically
thanks. it seems to have cleared up now anyway. get_info was taking almost 10 seconds i think, but the other nodes were fine
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Jackman2
I dislike btc
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Jackman2
I'll look into grin and zcash
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moneromooo
But any old shite can be a competitor if you consider what people flock to because shiny smoke and mirrors.
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moneromooo
zcash is weird. Very good theoretical privacy, but they seem to throttle it on purpose.
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moneromooo
The more this goes on, the more I think there's some secret thing going on somewhere.
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moneromooo
Oh, decred is a good coin too.
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moneromooo
Was anyway. No idea what they're up to now.
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d4ndo[m]
zcash still has this »trusted setup problem« don't they?
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moneromooo
Yes. Though AFAIK they made another (or will make another ?) with more people, so one side of the minefield is taped over.
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d4ndo[m]
Jackman2: Why do you dislike btc?
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Jackman2
fees, slow, no privacy
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asymptotically
at least people accept btc, and kind of accept monero
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d4ndo[m]
Does Monero have lower fee than Bitcoin!? It has a scaleable blocksize.
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d4ndo[m]
iif you live in germany, austria or switzerland check out shopinbit.de. They do accept Monero.
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moneromooo
A Monero fee would be about...0.00014 monero for a typical tx. Though that seems low, I might have the calc wrong.
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moneromooo
Or a fifth of that if using the "no hurry, take your time" setting.
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sunnuc[m]
yeah one dollar cent fee
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Jackman2
my last monero tx was 3cent
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Jackman2
yesterday
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Jackman2
and my bitcoin tx fee was 4$
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d4ndo[m]
Could Monero keep this fee if it had the same marketcap as Bitcoin today?
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moneromooo
Hard to tell, given the fee formula based on block size.
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moneromooo
I think it's too low to discourage spamming, but hey.
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Jackman2
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sunnuc[m]
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d4ndo[m]
interesting
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Jackman2
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yanmaani
moneromooo: My guess is that the KYC whores don't want too good privacy. See: why monero is traded/listed on comparatively few exchanges
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takel
bisq is the solution
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takel
dont care about kyc and other stuff
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takel
monero only with bisq
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yanmaani
If they crank up the KYC to eleven with FIFO, people will start caring real fast
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shillo
people care less about privacy than you think
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takel
% of people caring about privacy has changed a lot
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yanmaani
People care about 'number go up', not privacy
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yanmaani
otherwise we'd see monero used a lot more
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yanmaani
(although it does have some flaws, like annoying cold storage)
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shillo
number go up is all that matters
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sunnuc[m]
privacy is all that matters
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commandocrypto[m
printer go brrr still mattering?
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Jackman2
hi
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Jackman2
how do you see the future of monero?
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rbrunner
So bright we will need to wear sunshades perhaps?
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Jackman2
why
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moneromooo
Because the brightness might hurt your eyes I guess.
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Jackman2
why bright
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moneromooo
Because if it wasn't, rbrunner would not be able to see it. Clever innit.
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Jackman2
I see
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Jackman2
I'd love to be able to do atomic swaps with monero
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moneromooo
Someone's been looking at it on and off, more off than on. But came back recently.
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moneromooo
AIUI, the main issue is the different curves between monero and (presumably) bitcoin, causing trouble.
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moneromooo
Not sure why not do it monero to aeon first, but hey.
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duso
I think people will start to care about privacy when governments start to crack down on people using alternative currencies then thier approved currencies
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Jackman2
haven't already done so?
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Jackman2
haven't they
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Jackman2
kyc and account freeze
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duso
not seriously. Think back to the gold laws where people had to hand over thier gold to the government. History repeats
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yanmaani
duso: Monero's gonna be the first one they come for
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yanmaani
meaning, number go down
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duso
Still bound to the appearance of abiding by laws. How are they going to prove you have / used monero?
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yanmaani
They're just going to regulate the exchanges
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duso
globally?
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yanmaani
It's enough to get the banks to regulate them
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yanmaani
in the US
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duso
How are they going to regulate using visa / mastercard to buy monero from a exchange say, in the Seychelles
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duso
or heck, from an ebay / alibaba shopfront?
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duso
anywho, after midnight on a school night. night all
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yanmaani
Visa and MasterCard are American companies
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yanmaani
there is no way you can run a bank without the blessing of the US federal government
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rbrunner
Yeah, try using of those credit cards as an Iranian, or as a North Korean. See how they can stop you, or not.
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rbrunner
And if you are through with that try PayPal :)
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yanmaani
Just try it while being a hated person
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yanmaani
even without doing anything illegal
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yanmaani
e.g. kiwifarms
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TrasherDK
moneromooo: Atomic swap between Monero testnet and Aeon mainnet seems like a fair trade :D
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rbrunner
Looking at one of their block explorers I must say their little coin could need a little more love ...
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endor00[m]
<yanmaani "moneromooo: My guess is that the"> I think another element that scares a lot of potential users (including some exchanges) is the very fact that you can't see transaction amounts. Not from a privacy perspective, but from an "auditability" perspective
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endor00[m]
And when I say "auditability", I mean the fact that you can just look at transaction amounts, add them up, and see that inputs = outputs
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endor00[m]
That's easy to understand, easy to validate, and thus puts their minds at rest
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yanmaani
You can do that with your own transactions no?
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yanmaani
It's annoying but not a deal breaker
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endor00[m]
But you can't do that with others. How do you nothing shady is going on? How do you know there's no mistake? That's scary
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yanmaani
if others lose their money that's their problem lol
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endor00[m]
But how do you know that Monero itself is bugged and there's no double spending going on?
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endor00[m]
How do you know there's no mistake in our math/code that allows for something like that?
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endor00[m]
There was indeed one such mistake a while ago
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endor00[m]
Monero's answer to that question (if you actually bother searching for an accurate source) is: "lots of math, and lots of code that implements that math (hopefully correctly)"
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endor00[m]
And that scares people, especially non-technical ones, because the best they can do is trust the judgement of others and that those others are not mistaken/lying
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endor00[m]
* But how do you know that Monero itself isn't bugged and there's no double spending going on?
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endor00[m]
Even for an exchange it's more risky: they have no way to find out if their wallets have been compromised without syncing the chain and keeping the wallet open
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endor00[m]
* Even for an exchange it's more risky/scary: they have no way to find out if their wallets have been compromised without syncing the chain and keeping the wallet open
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endor00[m]
At least with Bitcoin and co. it's easy: just pop your address on your explorer of choice, set some alert when an unexpected transaction is seen from one of your wallets, and hope that gives you enough time to open the rest and move the money somewhere safe.
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endor00[m]
Even if you proved that there's no flaw both in your math and in the implementation, people would still trust it less because it's one less thing that they have immediate control over
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endor00[m]
Thoughts?
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niocbrrrrrr
like everything in life
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niocbrrrrrr
risk/reward
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niocbrrrrrr
"There was indeed one such mistake a while ago" <= also in btc
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selsta
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dEBRUYNE
A faulty implementation could lead to unintended and (temporarily) unnoticed inflation in Bitcoin and other chains too
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dEBRUYNE
^ fwiw
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endor00[m]
Oh, I'm well aware of that
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endor00[m]
But I'm not the type of user we're talking about
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yanmaani
Is it possible to make serious 'watch only' wallets in Monero?
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endor00[m]
My point is that one of the most valuable and fundamental mechanisms that defines Monero is also one of the "scariest" for the early adopters who barely understand what crypto is.
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endor00[m]
Bitcoin is already uncharted territory, and then Monero shows up and you tell them they need to understand cryptography just to draw a map and orient themselves
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endor00[m]
That's a great recipe for a quick "Nope, too complicated, I'm outta here" response
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moneromooo
Of course not. People don't need to understand fluid dynamics to fly passenger on a plane.
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yanmaani
^
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yanmaani
Nobody "understands" crypto
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yanmaani
they just string together words (scalability, decentralization, blockchain) in hope that the (equally stupid) readers will pump their bags
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endor00[m]
<moneromooo "Of course not. People don't need"> Sure, but human psychology is rarely that coherent
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yanmaani
that the degenerate gamblers (fuck them) get dissuades is a good thing
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moneromooo
That's a separate point, which I agree with. Don't muddle them.
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endor00[m]
People today fly because we see lots of other people do it every day, and most of the time it goes well and it's uneventful (if a bit wobbly)
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endor00[m]
But in the early days of flight, only the madmen who were smart (or brave/crazy enough) would hop on a plane
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endor00[m]
* But in the early days of flight, only the madmen who were smart (or brave/crazy) enough would hop on a plane
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niocbrrrrrr
I see people use monero everyday without issue and it's also safer than flying
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endor00[m]
And it took a while before it became the mainstream form of transportation that it is today
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niocbrrrrrr
beware metaphors
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endor00[m]
<niocbrrrrrr "I see people use monero everyday"> _You_ see people use it every day. How many others do the same?
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moneromooo
Back then, people did not have to understand fluid dynamics to do it either. The fear of the new was a different issue than understanding why a particular plane design was safe or not.
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moneromooo
Someone who knew how to tell could certainly be more scared about a given plane, for sure. But nobody required people to know fluid dynamics to fly.
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moneromooo
That was your point. I disagreed with it. No amount of arguing a different point will change that.
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yanmaani
Why would audit crypto nonsense be interesting in any way shape or form to a casual user?
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yanmaani
They just paste in the address and go. I don't pretend to understand how it works.
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yanmaani
It's like the STONKS meme. "Cryptongrapy"
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yanmaani
I just paste in the address and hope it's sorted. I have only the vaguest of understandings of what the hell a zkSNARK is.
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moneromooo
You have no way to tell whether bitcoin has no bug with parsing amounts from the chain either. Almost everyone relies on the psychological "I see numbers, I add them, it checks out" thing, but there's a lot of code which you didn't check for bugs either. Hence agreeing with the psychology point but definitely not the needing to understand what it's doing point.
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moneromooo
And if someone's going to say "more people have reviewed it", it's a different point again (and one which I agree with).
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endor00[m]
I'm not saying that everyone who uses monero needs to fully understand monero before doing so
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moneromooo
Great. Looks like we agree then ^_^
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endor00[m]
Only that figuring out a way to ease people's minds over confidential transaction would help the less technically inclined to take the first step
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endor00[m]
(And I was asking for thoughts on whether this would be a path worth looking into, or if it's just me who thinks that and confidential transactions don't actually scare off some potential adopters as much as I think)
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moneromooo
Anyone's always welcome to make things easier to understand (assuming that doesn't make something else worse).
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moneromooo
(assuming that's what you mean by "a path worth looking into")
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sunnuc[m]
<endor00[m] "Only that figuring out a way to "> it happens all automatic in the background, monero is protecting you by default. that's easy, no?
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d4ndo[m]
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selsta
reads like typical blog spam
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selsta
> At the exchange level, Spiro pointed to the way regulations are impacting privacy coins (crypto tokens designed to obfuscate any details around transactions), which are being delisted from exchanges every day, he said.
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selsta
AFAIK not a single exchange delisted Monero because of FATF travel rule
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selsta
but what do you expect from a site called bit-cointalk lol
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d4ndo[m]
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d4ndo[m]
^- same news
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selsta
still, I would be curious what exchanges they are talking about
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d4ndo[m]
The thing is. More and more people are getting aware of the fungibility problem.
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moneromooo
Every day... Wow. I had no idea.
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d4ndo[m]
Ask a Bitcoin maximalist what he will do if Bitcoin is lost to the banksters.
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moneromooo
We're fucked anyway. Snowden happened, and that only end up with governments basically saying "oh, let's make it official then" and no fucks were given by the people at large.
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moneromooo
So the best we can do is stay away from the mass fucking for a while.
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d4ndo[m]
So sad. Germany even used the US as a blue print to change rules for spying.
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moneromooo
Knowing that the fuckers are eyeing us and we'll get it good and hard when they catch us. Legally, somehow.
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d4ndo[m]
Germany granted more power to the BND(german NSA)
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moneromooo
That Germany goes the spy way is pretty bad, given their first hand experience.
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moneromooo
Maybe an asteroid will save us or something.
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moneromooo
Mammals die off, penguins take over.
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d4ndo[m]
yes.
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d4ndo[m]
lol
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niocbrrrrrr
:)
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ocus01
you think penguins wouldnt start spying on each other?
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moneromooo
I dunno. I wouldn't be here to judge.
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moneromooo
They'd have a shot at it anyway.
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moneromooo
Actually, it'd be better if it's sloths that take over, they couldn't be arsed spying.
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yanmaani
selsta: I recall one or two
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yanmaani
(obscure ones)
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d4ndo[m]
The monero community is like the rebellion in star wars living in a galaxy controled by the imperium.
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yanmaani
the thing is, when they start doing FIFO (only a matter of time)
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yanmaani
things are going to be fucked
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yanmaani
like, completely. You are not going to be able to buy or sell Monero
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d4ndo[m]
moneromoo is a jedi knight using the force.
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moneromooo
What is FIFO, except first in first out ?
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d4ndo[m]
my thoughts.
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yanmaani
First in first out.
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d4ndo[m]
first in first out.
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yanmaani
If you have 3 inputs
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yanmaani
A = XBT 2, B = XBT 3, C = XBT 5
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yanmaani
and 3 outputs: X = XBT 1, Y = XBT 2, Z = XBT 7
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yanmaani
and B is "tainted"
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moneromooo
Oh, you mean how to choose where the taint goes ?
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yanmaani
then that will give Y XBT 1 of taint and Z XBT 2 of taint
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yanmaani
yes
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moneromooo
Thanks.
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yanmaani
Unless Bitcoin does the deterministic transaction ordering hardfork, our days are numbered
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moneromooo
I heard of that. It's just one (common) way of arbitrarily assigning taint. Why do you think it'll screw monero
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moneromooo
?
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yanmaani
When that's done, Bitcoin will lose all fungibility
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yanmaani
Meaning that an exchange could trivially be compelled to not exchange Bitcoin for Monero
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yanmaani
Meaning that you could only exchange Monero for unusable (tainted) coins
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moneromooo
Why does "Bitcoin will lose all fungibility" imply "an exchange could trivially be compelled to not exchange Bitcoin for Monero" ?
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moneromooo
Oh, because it'd lose the taint, so governments would not want that ?
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hyc
why does anyone need to exchange Bitcoin for Monero in the first place?
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moneromooo
To gain fungibility :D
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hyc
no, I mean... you can just buy Monero, you don't have to use Bitcoin to get it
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yanmaani
moneromooo: Because the bad exchanges would cause your coins to get tainted. I elided an intermediate step: You get differently priced clean and dirty coins
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selsta
Isn’t that already the case?
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yanmaani
hyc: Well, direct XMR <-> Fiat is trivial to regulate
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yanmaani
selsta: Sort of, but you can avail yourself of various tricks like coinjoin etc to fix it
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moneromooo
Why could there not be a "exchanges exchange only clean bitcoin <-> monero" state ?
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yanmaani
Because said exchanges would have to comply with regulations regarding this
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moneromooo
Ah, because some exchanges will always exchange for tainted. Fair.
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yanmaani
Which would for example prohibit the exchanging of Monero
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moneromooo
But it's kinda... wrong.
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yanmaani
Meaning, you can use fiat to buy clean coins
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yanmaani
and sell clean coins for fiat
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yanmaani
and buy dirty coins for monero
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yanmaani
and sell dirty coins for monero
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moneromooo
I mean, ethically. It's like a government really acknoewedging they're ethicallu challenged.
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yanmaani
but there's no way to go from dirty to clean coins
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moneromooo
Which, OK, I guess is not far fetched. Fair.
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yanmaani
After all the AML rape they put upon us, do you think they'd flinch to regualte an obscure cryptocurrency? lol
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moneromooo
Yeah, there's no way this can get fixed without violence really. As history proves. Hope it'll be after I'm dead.
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yanmaani
with the way things are going, you never know
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hyc
it would be better for the world, to happen sooner than later
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d4ndo[m]
You can change fiat in Monero by using energy.
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yanmaani
d4ndo[m]: Good point, but how to change Monero for fiat?
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d4ndo[m]
You spend it on goods.
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moneromooo
Sometimes I kinda play around with the idea of standing in an election with "I will restore privacy to the people", but it's a might pain in the butt. And I probably would get arrested for free thinking. And even if I win, I might become corrupt. Life sucks.
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yanmaani
d4ndo[m]: That only works if there's a reliable fiat exchange somewhere down the line
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hyc
corruption comes from exposure to power. if you serve 1 or 2 terms and then walk away you'd probably be fine
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yanmaani
nobody will sell you goods for monero if they can't pay their wholesale supplier in monero
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d4ndo[m]
maybe on the black market it could work.
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moneromooo
I dunno. Lots of corruption is "do what I want you to, and you get a salary for life for doing nothing after you're gone".
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moneromooo
That's hard to turn down.
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moneromooo
Which is why generous pensions for retired lawmakers in many countries. But still.
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yanmaani
That's why the only politicians you can trust are fanatics.
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d4ndo[m]
Order 66. Watch out moneromooo . They will hunt down the jedi.
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moneromooo
Could start a fashion for privacy I guess.
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moneromooo
When I remember the poor USA fuckers claiming they were free because they'd never let a USSR style spying thing going on. What fools.
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moneromooo
Anyway. Let's drink and code games just to forget it all.
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d4ndo[m]
Yoda said the same thing. Other wording.
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ocus01
if it makes you feel better, in the long run they haven't won anything
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moneromooo
Wine, drink, and games, code, forget all to.
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d4ndo[m]
The war we won you say..
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ocus01
sic transit gloria mundi
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d4ndo[m]
Yes - focus on the good stuff.
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yanmaani
Whither, ocus01?
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d4ndo[m]
I'm pretty sure Monero has a future. The more control is exercised, the more people look for a way out.
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ocus01
i agree, it is just too useful
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ocus01
and nothing does what it does as well as it does
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yanmaani
d4ndo[m]: And how will they use it?
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yanmaani
With no way to exchange it for cash, there's no way out
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yanmaani
they're trapped
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moneromooo
In my dream world, I exchange my monero for food...
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moneromooo
Electronic food...
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rogu86
Hello everyone! I almost finished implementing my mining pool for Monero. But my node (in German VPS) finds out late about new blocks. Maybe someone knows the address of the nodes of large pools? I will be grateful in advance!
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ocus01
it may not be easy , but there will be ways around restrictions
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ocus01
e.g. p2p such as localmonero etc
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yanmaani
ocus01: How are you going to circumvent the banking restrictions?
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hyc
small communities have lived on their own money before
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yanmaani
That literally only works for cash, there's no way to get the liquidity
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moneromooo
rogu86: how many connections does your daemon have (see the status command) ?
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hyc
closed ecosystems
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selsta
Drugs are illegal and you can find them everywhere. Same will probably be true for Monero if it is useful enough
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hyc
not sure that's a good analogy, since drugs are bought with fiat, and then consumed.
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selsta
Even in the worst case totally illegal case.
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yanmaani
but it isn't - people want to buy drugs intrinstically
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yanmaani
monero is just use to buy other stuff
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ocus01
well you could argue people want private transactions intrinsically
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moneromooo
Yeah. People are ready to jump through hoops for drugs. They don't for privacy.
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rogu86
moneromooo "get_info" return me 28 incoming and 255 outgoing connections
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ocus01
some people, some transactions etc
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moneromooo
That's a lot of outgoing, but otherwise looks ok.
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moneromooo
Try #monero-pools I guess.
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selsta
Yea not the best comparison but that’s why I said if it is useful enough that people want it
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yanmaani
It's only useful in the event it's not banned
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moneromooo
And some pools might advertise their blocks found with a delay just to fuck with others.
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yanmaani
A currency which intrinsically is contraband can only be used to buy other contraband
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yanmaani
With fungible Bitcoin and banned MOnero, everything would be OK
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ocus01
pas de tout
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ocus01
look at the use of USD in places where it is outlawed
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ocus01
long history of that sort of thing
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moneromooo
OK, so this all means we need to bitchslap the fuckers who piss those ever more fascist regulations to get a brain.
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rogu86
moneromooo I wrote a script that polls public rpc about the height of the last block, and my node receives information about last block with a delay of 6 to 280 seconds compared, for example, with hashvault.pro =(
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hyc
USD is useful in those places because it has easy value elsewhere in the world
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moneromooo
rogu86: maybe your pipe's too slow for the nubmer of peers you have ?
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yanmaani
ocus01: And there is a legitimate USD market offshore
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moneromooo
28 in is really not much though, so maybe not.
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hyc
rogu86: 255 outgoing conns seems excessive. default is only 8
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yanmaani
I'm banned from #bitcoin, but the solution to the problem is deterministc transaction ordering
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hyc
yanmaani: solution to which problem?
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rogu86
May I ask a noob question? Outgoing conns will notify my node about new block coming? Or does it just depend on incoming connections? And do I need to try to increase incoming connections?
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yanmaani
hyc: FIFO
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hyc
in or out conns all do the same
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hyc
rogu86: there is no functional difference btw them
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moneromooo
Both in and out.
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rogu86
moneromooo I increased out-peers to 256 and in-peers to 1024. Also, I increased limit-rate-up to 20480 and limit-rate-down to 30720
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rogu86
Ok, got it
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moneromooo
yanmaani: what is deterministic transaction ordering ? A link to an explanation in the context of bitcoin is fine.
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hyc
rogu86: how much network bandwidth does your machine have available?
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yanmaani
moneromooo: When you make a transaction, the outputs have to be ordered in a certain way
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yanmaani
deterministically
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yanmaani
UTXO ID ascending I think
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hyc
rogu86: by default, in peers is unlimited, so you shouldn't even need to touch that
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rogu86
@hyc I created a virtual machine at hetzner with plan that give me bandwidth up to 20TB per month.
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rogu86
@hyc thanks, I'll remove the in-peers setting in my monerod config!
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hyc
on my own node I've had to restrict in_peers because monerod was eating too much of my network quota
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rogu86
It is my config and my attemps to increase connectivity of my node:
pastebin.com/PvR4UQGs
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rogu86
But still I got a big delay about new blocks comparing to other RPCs
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rogu86
@hyc How many connections do you have on your node?
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moneromooo
1/3 less quota now (and another third when most peers have updated) ^_^
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hyc
Now I have 8 out and 32 in
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rogu86
moneromooo If this message is to me, then I do not really understand what you mean.
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moneromooo
It was to hyc.
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hyc
I'll check my dashboard at end of month ;)
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Guest59457
Hi
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Guest59457
I created wallet using monero wallet rpc....Why it does not gives mnemonic seeds when the wallet is created?
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moneromooo
You mean... the RPC to get seed does nnot work ?
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Guest59457
when ...when we create any wallet ,, in response it should give some mnemonic code so that later we can recover our wallet using that seeds
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moneromooo
Did you ask for the seed ?
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Guest59457
moneromooo: yes..
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moneromooo
Was there an error ?
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Guest59457
there is no error ...but the wallet is created and response is blanck
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rogu86
What are the recommendations for setting a values limit-rate-up and limit-rate-down? I have a VPS with 20 TB per month bandwidth and 31+255 connections. Is it okay to set: limit-rate-up to 20480 and limit-rate-down to 30720?
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Guest59457
curl -X POST
localhost:38081/json_rpc -d '{"jsonrpc":"2.0","id":"0","method":"create_wallet","params":{"filename":"test","password":"monero123","language":"English"}}'
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moneromooo
Can you paste on a paste site (ie, pastebin) the JSON you sent, and the JSON you received (you can censor private info like actual seeds/addresses/keys).
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moneromooo
OK, that looks right at first sight.
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Guest59457
this is response
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Guest59457
{ "id": "0", "jsonrpc": "2.0", "result": { }
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moneromooo
Yes, but did you call query_key ?
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moneromooo
query_key (with "mnemonic" as type) gets you the mnemonic seed.
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rogu86
Maybe then some suggestions how to increase the connectivity of my node? I’ve just been doing this for several days now. That is, I want to receive information about new blocks from the network as soon as possible
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moneromooo
Based on what you said so far, you're not doing anything wrong (except maybe a lot of out peers).
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rogu86
Why are many outgoing connections bad for my node? Does this somehow affect the time it takes to get a notification about new block? I thought an increase in this number, on the contrary, would increase connectivity, and I would sooner receive information about new blocks.
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moneromooo
Upload rates are typically much lower than download rates. At leasy for residential links. If you're uploading lots of things at once, it slows down.
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moneromooo
Might not apply to a VPS though.
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moneromooo
If you've got enough bandwidth, increasing that number goes give you a better chance to get hold of a block sooner.
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d4ndo[m]
Is there an rpc call to create a nemonic seed by sending a hexadeximal seed?
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d4ndo[m]
Something like echo Hello World | sha256sum using that to get a nmemonic seed?
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selsta
you can set custom entropy on
moneroaddress.org
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selsta
but only do this if you know what you are doing lol
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sunnuc[m]
Already some findings about nicely fluffing transactions? Hows it running? Is there already some adoption after ~1day
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selsta
at least no reported problems yet :)
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sunnuc[m]
(:
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sunnuc[m]
I celebrate it, nice work!
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sunnuc[m]
> What are the recommendations for setting a values limit-rate-up and limit-rate-down? I have a VPS with 20 TB per month bandwidth and 31+255 connections. Is it okay to set: limit-rate-up to 20480 and limit-rate-down to 30720?
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sunnuc[m]
I think you don't have to set any limit. Is it 100mBit or 1gBit line?
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sunnuc[m]
due to overhead you will probably not get much more as 8500kB/s with 100mBit line - if you max out 100%, that will never happen, you would use more than 20TB but no worries it does not use much!
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sunnuc[m]
If you have GBit nic set to 8250kB
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sunnuc[m]
selsta:
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sunnuc[m]
> We're fucked anyway. Snowden happened, and that only end up with governments basically saying "oh, let's make it official then" and no fucks were given by the people at large.
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sunnuc[m]
I wonder how it would impact monero if all exchanges would ban us. I guess price and adoption would even rise. But who knows, i think Wer still need to get more out to the people even if there are already much in existance
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sunnuc[m]
I think we should not fear exchange ban
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moneromooo
What point is there to it if it's unavailable to most people ?
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sunnuc[m]
There are much coins already in existance
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selsta
Seeing that Tor/I2P is not banned in most places I don’t worry too much. But things probably can change quickly...
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sunnuc[m]
Offline tx would be nice to get goin
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rogu86
sunnuc[m]: > I think you don't have to set any limit.
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rogu86
Do you mean to keep the default values?
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rogu86
Speedtest on VPS give me following results:
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rogu86
Hosted by Keyweb AG (Erfurt) [112.91 km]: 6.183 msTesting download speed................................................................................Download: 895.69 Mbit/sTesting upload speed......................................................................................................Upload: 1377.05 Mbit/s
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rogu86
sorry for formatting:
pastebin.com/cNAc8RaK
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sunnuc[m]
Yes
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sunnuc[m]
You are good with Standard setting
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sunnuc[m]
Increase connections maybe but KB/s 8250is good for you
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rogu86
>You are good with Standard settingHow do you understand that? can you explain to me since I'm confused in the concept of VDS's bandwidth (20TB), bandwidth of line(like 100mBit and etc) and monerod paramers "limit-rate-up" and "limit-rate-down"
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sunnuc[m]
> What point is there to it if it's unavailable to most people ?
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sunnuc[m]
After thinking about it a minute: its still good people have the more out less easy option to ditch fiat and get xmr
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sunnuc[m]
> >You are good with Standard settingHow do you understand that? can you explain to me since I'm confused in the concept of VDS's bandwidth (20TB), bandwidth of line(like 100mBit and etc) and monerod paramers "limit-rate-up" and "limit-rate-down"
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sunnuc[m]
Set 8250 up and the same down
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moneromooo
That's pretty fast, won't be your problem.
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moneromooo
As a test, you can set_log +net.p2p.msg:INFO, and wait till you get blocks.
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moneromooo
Then compare the times at which you get a given block from all your peers.
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moneromooo
If it's all roughly at once (the first one will take longer as it checks the block) then the problem is probably not you.
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sunnuc[m]
8250 KB/s = 66mBit = ~20TB month
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FM20xmr
Following since 2016, but just strictly
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FM20xmr
lurking. Just wanted to say Hi and that I am very excited for the future
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FM20xmr
of this community :)
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selsta
:)