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takel
again same error "ld: cannot find -lgcrypt"
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takel
file is there
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takel
prefix/bin/gcrypt
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selsta
did you also compile a .so?
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selsta
you can try adding the path like this: `-L/prefix/bin/`
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selsta
similar to how you added the include path for boost
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takel
i tried to includepath /prefix/bin but didnt work
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selsta
-L not -I
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selsta
and do you have a .so ?
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takel
yes there is so
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takel
ok i continue
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takel
i added like -L/opt/android/usr/bin
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takel
same output
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selsta
and inside /opt/android/usr/bin is the gcrypt.so ?
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selsta
and the error is `again same error "ld: cannot find -lgcrypt"`
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takel
no
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selsta
what is the error?
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takel
i must find directory of so
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takel
ok
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takel
i change again
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selsta
you have to change the -L directory to the one of the gcrypt.so so that it finds the lib
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takel
yep is lib not bin
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takel
im changing and run again
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selsta
hopefully works now or at least a different error
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takel
let c
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takel
skipping incompatible /opt/android/usr/lib/libgcrypt.so when searching for -lgcrypt
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selsta
afaik that means incorrect architecture
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takel
im trying to cmpile from sources again
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takel
same results
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takel
hi
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zib
a
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neoflux[m]
American elites use Ripple for trafficking cocaine from Mexico
youtube.com/watch?v=3IpnsExPggQ&app=desktop
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binaryFate
neoflux[m] please stop posting spammy videos in all monero channels
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neoflux[m]
Don't you want to know what's going on with the rivals?
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neoflux[m]
This is very relevant since Monero is labeled that dark web crypto. Don't understand that?
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neoflux[m]
* This is very relevant since Monero is labeled the dark web crypto. Don't you understand that?
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neoflux[m]
Are you a male of female?
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neoflux[m]
* Are you a male or female?
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TrasherDK1
I'm curious. How is being male or female relevant?
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neoflux[m]
Males have dick and balls and females have breasts and vagina. They serve a very different basic function.
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shillosopher
-_-
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endor00[m]
<shillosopher "-_-"> You know - dicks are mainly used for mining, while vaginas are more suited for hosting nodes and checking the integrity of the chain
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endor00[m]
Didn't you read Satoshi van Saberhagen's whitepaper?
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shillosopher
lul
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yersinia[m]
it seems that monero discussions have turned metaphysical
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yanmaani
good riddance
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rbrunner
fluxed away ...
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rbrunner
fluxes to new user id in 3 .. 2 .. 1 .. :)
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yanmaani
Can you embed arbitrary data in the Monero blockchain?
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yanmaani
Like in Bitcoin
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sech1
yes
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yanmaani
Do they need encoding, or can I put like a 100k blob?
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rbrunner
No encoding, but with sizes like 100k for such extra data you may run into problems of block size, and miners may shun your transaction, worst case
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rbrunner
And people will be less than enthusiastic quite in general about transactions that stand out like a sore thumb on the blockchain ...
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yanmaani
So it's not like in Bitcoin where I need to break it up into 80 byte chunks
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yanmaani
Will it be contiguous on disk? If I open the files in the hex editor, will it be readable if it's raw ASCII?
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rbrunner
It will go into what is called "extra", like you can see it in block explorers like for this tx (look for "Extra:"):
xmrchain.net/tx/d5e52cad115a7369fb5…57da0fa1b8a46bc126b8579516649b8093f
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rbrunner
If you don't encrypt, it will go into the blockchain as-is.
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rbrunner
In consecutive bytes
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hyc
^ should really encrypt it ...
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yanmaani
I don't want to encrypt it, that's the whole point
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yanmaani
What would the fee be like?
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yanmaani
for 100k let's say
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moneromooo
Not enough.
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yanmaani
cause it'd monopolize the block?
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yanmaani
what about 10x10kb?
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hyc
sounds like you should be using a transparent blockchain likt bitcoin then
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moneromooo
Run "bc_dyn_stats 100", multiply the base fee by 100k.
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yanmaani
moneromooo: But is it linear?
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moneromooo
Yes.
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yanmaani
what, if I want to commit 1gb of stuff in there it can't be linear
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yanmaani
surely
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moneromooo
It is.
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yanmaani
wouldn't that break the block size etc?
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moneromooo
Define "break the block size".
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yanmaani
If the block size is 1MB and I want to put 1GB of data there, then how's that work?
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moneromooo
Your tx is rejected due to being too large.
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moneromooo
(the max size is about half the recent median block size or something like that)
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yanmaani
What's the recent median block size? 200k?
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moneromooo
Probably 300000, that's the low limit.
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hyc
Doesn't seem likely that any miner would mine that txn
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yanmaani
So if I put in a txn with 100k of ASCII text, that will get put to the chain verbatim, and I'll be able to do `less` on the block and read the text?
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moneromooo
Mostly.
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yanmaani
mostly? Will LMDB split it up?
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moneromooo
It might. Depends where it's finding free pages.
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yanmaani
oh. Hmm, that's not *as* funny.
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moneromooo
Maybe it's time to bring the "tax extra more" argument again :D Feel free to argue for it.
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binaryFate
what are the arguments against it?
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yanmaani
it's moralizing - data is data and payments are payments
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yanmaani
not a great argument though
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yanmaani
Oh, and people might come up with absurd schemes to encode it if you tax it too heavily
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hyc
encoding it would be preferable, since the goal is to make all txns indistinguishable
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yanmaani
not for my purposes, but that's also the sort of stuff you don't want :)
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moneromooo
Not sure. I think the argument was probably it wasn't worth the extra complexity, and if people want to spam they can spam with normal txes anyway.
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moneromooo
At least extra doesn't need verifying, so it only spams size, not time :D
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binaryFate
otoh more transactions tends to help with the privacy of everyone, provide ring members etc. A fat extra is just dead weight.
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Jackman2
hi
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Jackman2
can monero scale?
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Jackman2
what were the fees during the 2017 craze
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xmrmatterbridge
<cankerwort> jackman2:
youtu.be/0EKuEfOI86I
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Jackman2
thank you I save the link to watch it this evening
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dubie
scale in what regard. Privacy is priceless. Block size is dynamic. TPS?
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dubie
keeps getting better
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Jackman2
having reasonable fees and fast confirmations
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dubie
blocks mined every two mins on average
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dubie
another thing to watch is "Monero Means Money" documentary on youtube
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hyc
the 2017 craze didn't cause any congestion on the Monero network
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Jackman2
for example I think the current 7$ tx fee in bitcoin highly prohibitive
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niocbrrrrrr
my last tx cost .00001980 monero
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Jackman2
yes but, what would it be under EXTREM conditions
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niocbrrrrrr
that is a minimum 1 in 2 out tx
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Jackman2
how come monero seems so much better in this aspect so far than bitcoin and ethereum
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hyc
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Jackman2
without being a pos coin
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hyc
current avg txn fee is US$.01
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dubie
savage :)
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hyc
because Monero has dynamic fee and dynamic blocksize
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hyc
fees go down when txn volume goes up
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Jackman2
ah great
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binaryFate
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hyc
hmm, I think linear scale is more informative there, for the 2017 craze period
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hyc
you can see that fees went up, but nowhere near as much as BTC fees
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Jackman2
it wasn't as used as btc tho
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Jackman2
10$ fees are not okay imo
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dubie
plus bulletproofs were not part of monero then were they? they reduced fees significantly since then
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hyc
right
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binaryFate
you can see the insane drop from BP on the graph
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Jackman2
yeah and it doesn't follow the last btc fee rise
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Jackman2
seems cool
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binaryFate
XMR fees did not increase despite more and more usage
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Jackman2
I can imagine monero being a better digital gold than bitcoin
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binaryFate
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dubie
fungible
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Jackman2
as many gold holders like the anonymity and hideability of gold
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Jackman2
but hiding bitcoins is harder due to traceability
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dubie
more fungible than cash. federeal reserve notes have serial numbers on them. Monero does not
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hyc
bitcoin fails at all of its claimed use cases
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Jackman2
and I don't like LN because they might send you tainted coins
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binaryFate
Note also that anyone wanting some crumbs of privacy with BTC uses mixers, rounds of coinjoin etc, so a lot of transactions that add up to legit financial transfer from entity to entity
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binaryFate
with XMR privacy is a given and most transactions reflect real economic activity
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Jackman2
the last thing for privacy with bitcoin is LN binaryFate
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Jackman2
but the output might be tainted coins
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dubie
look at the block explorer for Monero. All encrypted. No idea who is sending what and where
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Jackman2
that's why it bothers me
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yanmaani
hyc: Not all of it. It's excellent as an object of unregulated trading.
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Jackman2
however you can see the number of outputs dubie
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binaryFate
LN is beta software, is only usable for small amounts, requires to use short route / centralized hubs for any decent reliablity, and has many specific privacy issues of its own
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Jackman2
no?
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yanmaani
LN was never intended to work
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yanmaani
It was intended to be a thing to say during the block size debate
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yanmaani
some people said it was bad to raise it because it'd hurt scalability and that'd hurt their ivnestment
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yanmaani
s/raise/keep/
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yanmaani
some said it was fine because Lightning Network
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yanmaani
What the actual LN is was immaterial. It was just a thing people said.
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hyc
silver bullet ;)
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yanmaani
silver bullet isn't the right term. 'Word' is the best way I can express it
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yanmaani
nobody on either side understood it, what it was good for, or what it was bad for
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yanmaani
they just understood that the 'blockchain' had 'scaling' problems and that this would hurt 'decentralization', so they solved the 'scaling' problem with 'lightning network'. All the quoted words are asemantic.
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hyc
lol. yeah that sounds accurate
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Nizumzen
is localmonero.co legit?
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Jackman2
yes
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Jackman2
but they say things about kyc in their ToD
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Jackman2
ToS
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Infinity8
Nizumzen: localmonero.co is good shit
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Infinity8
but no one ever initiated a trade with me :/