00:06:59 again same error "ld: cannot find -lgcrypt" 00:07:04 file is there 00:07:15 prefix/bin/gcrypt 00:09:24 did you also compile a .so? 00:10:03 you can try adding the path like this: `-L/prefix/bin/` 00:10:16 similar to how you added the include path for boost 00:10:43 i tried to includepath /prefix/bin but didnt work 00:11:13 -L not -I 00:11:42 and do you have a .so ? 00:11:51 yes there is so 00:13:02 ok i continue 00:55:16 i added like -L/opt/android/usr/bin 00:55:21 same output 00:56:25 and inside /opt/android/usr/bin is the gcrypt.so ? 00:56:46 and the error is `again same error "ld: cannot find -lgcrypt"` 00:56:49 no 00:56:57 what is the error? 00:57:14 i must find directory of so 00:57:15 ok 00:57:20 i change again 00:57:46 you have to change the -L directory to the one of the gcrypt.so so that it finds the lib 00:58:03 yep is lib not bin 00:58:19 im changing and run again 00:58:35 hopefully works now or at least a different error 00:59:05 let c 01:13:33 skipping incompatible /opt/android/usr/lib/libgcrypt.so when searching for -lgcrypt 01:26:20 afaik that means incorrect architecture 01:34:58 im trying to cmpile from sources again 01:38:44 same results 11:01:06 hi 13:12:29 a 14:33:45 American elites use Ripple for trafficking cocaine from Mexico https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IpnsExPggQ&app=desktop 14:35:52 neoflux[m] please stop posting spammy videos in all monero channels 14:43:49 Don't you want to know what's going on with the rivals? 14:44:22 This is very relevant since Monero is labeled that dark web crypto. Don't understand that? 14:44:54 * This is very relevant since Monero is labeled the dark web crypto. Don't you understand that? 14:45:40 Are you a male of female? 14:45:50 * Are you a male or female? 14:59:24 I'm curious. How is being male or female relevant? 15:07:10 Males have dick and balls and females have breasts and vagina. They serve a very different basic function. 15:07:19 -_- 15:09:02 You know - dicks are mainly used for mining, while vaginas are more suited for hosting nodes and checking the integrity of the chain 15:09:36 Didn't you read Satoshi van Saberhagen's whitepaper? 15:09:49 lul 15:16:50 it seems that monero discussions have turned metaphysical 15:44:53 good riddance 15:46:03 fluxed away ... 15:46:35 fluxes to new user id in 3 .. 2 .. 1 .. :) 15:52:31 Can you embed arbitrary data in the Monero blockchain? 15:52:36 Like in Bitcoin 15:52:59 yes 15:53:55 Do they need encoding, or can I put like a 100k blob? 15:55:15 No encoding, but with sizes like 100k for such extra data you may run into problems of block size, and miners may shun your transaction, worst case 15:55:52 And people will be less than enthusiastic quite in general about transactions that stand out like a sore thumb on the blockchain ... 15:56:42 So it's not like in Bitcoin where I need to break it up into 80 byte chunks 15:56:56 Will it be contiguous on disk? If I open the files in the hex editor, will it be readable if it's raw ASCII? 16:06:46 It will go into what is called "extra", like you can see it in block explorers like for this tx (look for "Extra:"): https://xmrchain.net/tx/d5e52cad115a7369fb5f08f08f9c157da0fa1b8a46bc126b8579516649b8093f 16:07:06 If you don't encrypt, it will go into the blockchain as-is. 16:07:23 In consecutive bytes 16:07:55 ^ should really encrypt it ... 16:10:48 I don't want to encrypt it, that's the whole point 16:10:54 What would the fee be like? 16:10:57 for 100k let's say 16:10:59 Not enough. 16:11:11 cause it'd monopolize the block? 16:11:16 what about 10x10kb? 16:11:24 sounds like you should be using a transparent blockchain likt bitcoin then 16:11:27 Run "bc_dyn_stats 100", multiply the base fee by 100k. 16:12:20 moneromooo: But is it linear? 16:12:25 Yes. 16:12:41 what, if I want to commit 1gb of stuff in there it can't be linear 16:12:43 surely 16:12:51 It is. 16:13:44 wouldn't that break the block size etc? 16:13:57 Define "break the block size". 16:14:34 If the block size is 1MB and I want to put 1GB of data there, then how's that work? 16:14:47 Your tx is rejected due to being too large. 16:15:21 (the max size is about half the recent median block size or something like that) 16:15:39 What's the recent median block size? 200k? 16:16:46 Probably 300000, that's the low limit. 16:17:25 Doesn't seem likely that any miner would mine that txn 16:20:15 So if I put in a txn with 100k of ASCII text, that will get put to the chain verbatim, and I'll be able to do `less` on the block and read the text? 16:20:35 Mostly. 16:20:44 mostly? Will LMDB split it up? 16:21:02 It might. Depends where it's finding free pages. 16:21:14 oh. Hmm, that's not *as* funny. 16:22:04 Maybe it's time to bring the "tax extra more" argument again :D Feel free to argue for it. 16:27:02 what are the arguments against it? 16:27:27 it's moralizing - data is data and payments are payments 16:27:34 not a great argument though 16:27:45 Oh, and people might come up with absurd schemes to encode it if you tax it too heavily 16:28:10 encoding it would be preferable, since the goal is to make all txns indistinguishable 16:28:41 not for my purposes, but that's also the sort of stuff you don't want :) 16:33:44 Not sure. I think the argument was probably it wasn't worth the extra complexity, and if people want to spam they can spam with normal txes anyway. 16:33:59 At least extra doesn't need verifying, so it only spams size, not time :D 16:37:56 otoh more transactions tends to help with the privacy of everyone, provide ring members etc. A fat extra is just dead weight. 17:38:46 hi 17:38:57 can monero scale? 17:39:25 what were the fees during the 2017 craze 17:47:17 jackman2: https://youtu.be/0EKuEfOI86I 17:48:08 thank you I save the link to watch it this evening 17:48:46 scale in what regard. Privacy is priceless. Block size is dynamic. TPS? 17:49:00 keeps getting better 17:50:25 having reasonable fees and fast confirmations 17:50:48 blocks mined every two mins on average 17:51:44 another thing to watch is "Monero Means Money" documentary on youtube 17:52:10 the 2017 craze didn't cause any congestion on the Monero network 17:52:19 for example I think the current 7$ tx fee in bitcoin highly prohibitive 17:52:34 my last tx cost .00001980 monero 17:53:03 yes but, what would it be under EXTREM conditions 17:53:08 that is a minimum 1 in 2 out tx 17:53:57 how come monero seems so much better in this aspect so far than bitcoin and ethereum 17:54:03 https://bitinfocharts.com/monero/ 17:54:07 without being a pos coin 17:54:22 current avg txn fee is US$.01 17:54:33 savage :) 17:54:46 because Monero has dynamic fee and dynamic blocksize 17:55:00 fees go down when txn volume goes up 17:58:10 ah great 17:59:01 https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactionfees-btc-xmr.html#log 18:00:52 hmm, I think linear scale is more informative there, for the 2017 craze period 18:01:14 you can see that fees went up, but nowhere near as much as BTC fees 18:02:13 it wasn't as used as btc tho 18:02:21 10$ fees are not okay imo 18:02:22 plus bulletproofs were not part of monero then were they? they reduced fees significantly since then 18:02:32 right 18:02:40 you can see the insane drop from BP on the graph 18:03:04 yeah and it doesn't follow the last btc fee rise 18:03:12 seems cool 18:03:36 XMR fees did not increase despite more and more usage 18:04:35 I can imagine monero being a better digital gold than bitcoin 18:04:41 usage graph: https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactions-xmr-sma30.html 18:04:53 fungible 18:04:56 as many gold holders like the anonymity and hideability of gold 18:05:09 but hiding bitcoins is harder due to traceability 18:05:15 more fungible than cash. federeal reserve notes have serial numbers on them. Monero does not 18:05:18 bitcoin fails at all of its claimed use cases 18:05:23 and I don't like LN because they might send you tainted coins 18:05:41 Note also that anyone wanting some crumbs of privacy with BTC uses mixers, rounds of coinjoin etc, so a lot of transactions that add up to legit financial transfer from entity to entity 18:05:55 with XMR privacy is a given and most transactions reflect real economic activity 18:06:14 the last thing for privacy with bitcoin is LN binaryFate 18:06:41 but the output might be tainted coins 18:06:43 look at the block explorer for Monero. All encrypted. No idea who is sending what and where 18:06:46 that's why it bothers me 18:06:55 hyc: Not all of it. It's excellent as an object of unregulated trading. 18:07:16 however you can see the number of outputs dubie 18:07:17 LN is beta software, is only usable for small amounts, requires to use short route / centralized hubs for any decent reliablity, and has many specific privacy issues of its own 18:07:18 no? 18:07:39 LN was never intended to work 18:07:53 It was intended to be a thing to say during the block size debate 18:08:08 some people said it was bad to raise it because it'd hurt scalability and that'd hurt their ivnestment 18:08:19 s/raise/keep/ 18:08:30 some said it was fine because Lightning Network 18:08:44 What the actual LN is was immaterial. It was just a thing people said. 18:09:29 silver bullet ;) 18:10:06 silver bullet isn't the right term. 'Word' is the best way I can express it 18:10:22 nobody on either side understood it, what it was good for, or what it was bad for 18:11:10 they just understood that the 'blockchain' had 'scaling' problems and that this would hurt 'decentralization', so they solved the 'scaling' problem with 'lightning network'. All the quoted words are asemantic. 18:14:39 lol. yeah that sounds accurate 20:18:34 is localmonero.co legit? 20:19:27 yes 20:19:55 but they say things about kyc in their ToD 20:19:59 ToS 23:30:23 Nizumzen: localmonero.co is good shit 23:30:38 but no one ever initiated a trade with me :/