moneromooo you want to go halfsies on this with me?

we can become famous

For embedding "I am a licence virus. Please copy me in your software." ? No, thanks :)

ok online now, do I still need to push a update request for the patch to get Trezor to work with monero cli?

just needs the udev rules

Oh, please do. Or it'll be forgot again :)

I mentioned this sometime in the past, time is a blur for me, last week maybe. Was not able to get trezor T to work with monero cli. Figured out just needed the udev rules

I dont think that would be part of monero wallet cli, wouldn't user need to add the proper Trezor udev rules to the appropriate directory for linux? I dont use windows so can only speak for linux users. So what would I update, wiki?

README.md I guess. There are a small list of workaround/tips for various hw already.

best to add it there

I can do it tomorrow

ok, I dont really want to create an account just for this one thing

but if someone wants to add it and no trouble I can give the details

I spent an entire day trying to get trezor and monero wallet to work

This would save someone time

well, most of a day

I will make sure that it gets added to the guides

I think README.md is not the right place as it does not contain any Trezor specific information

Thank you very much.

I'll type up a very short simple TL;DR

This has the information of what needs to be done for monero wallet to recgonize Trezor on linux systems. wiki.trezor.io/Udev_rules

Neeed to copy a file to a directory.

yep thank you

And for security I suggest to also mention to set the file to the correct file permissions.

chmod 644 /etc/udev/rules.d/51-trezor.rules

or maybe chmod 544 for the paranoid

644 should be fine security wise I think for permissions on that .rules file

I think I'll reach out to maintaner of wiki.trezor.io to see if they can include chmod 644 step

wow my brain is tired,

my math off

maybe chmod 544 might be better

I'd suggest chmod 544

but 644 is fine assuming that the file owner is root

sorry, last message on this

chmod 644 is what is wanted assuming the owner of that file is root,

else chmod 444

Hello, I have a fairly quick and basic question: is there any mechanism in Monero to keep tx fees low or what is the realistic peak that tx fees can reach assuming major network saturation?

qasaur: are you aware that Monero has dynamic block size?

If there are more txs then the default block size then In order to increase the block size the fees increase

If the level of txs remains higher than the default blocksize and at about the same level that increased the block size in the first place then the avg tx fee actually decreases compared to what it was at the default block size

nioc: Ah I see, cool, so I assume block contention is not as big of an issue as it is with BTC?

there is more to it than that but you did say quick and easy :)

correct

I see, interesting..

there are safeguards in place that prevent ramping up to very large blocks

qasaur the dynamic formula will also reduce the blocksize if needed, default without fee penalties is 300kB

nioc: is there a fixed fee per byte?

well, not fixed of course, but I assume it tends to some figure on average

the fee goes down as the mining reward goes down and that happens every block by a very small amount

currently it's, Fee per byte: 0.000000012765

yes 12 decimals

the usual tx size is 2.54kB

work is ongoing to reduce tx size

as well as improve privacy, confidentiality or whatever is the best description :)

nioc: I see, have there been any estimations as to what the future tx size may look like?

there is something relatively easy to do that will reduce txs by ~25%

if chosen it probably will be done by end of year

but many things are being looked at and everything is a trade off

there seems to be no way around confidential txs being bigger than transparent ones

Cool - I've been quite deep into development for NANO lately but I feel the protocol lacks a sufficient level of privacy, and XMR seems to do the job perfectly.

but with constantly improving tech that should not be much of an issue

perfectly I don't know but the best there is by a good margin then yes

ofc it all depends on your threat model

If any transparent blockchain ever gains mass adoption it is just going to be a matter of time before a btcaccountsearch site pops up that is a bit more advanced and user-friendly than Blockinfo today

not great for the fungibility aspect of money imo

blockchain.info*

the US Fed chair this week said that btc might be good for China but not the US :)

there are blockchain analysis companies that can get quite a lot of info from btc

Yes, and not only BTC AFAIK

they can get info about monero like how much it is used on dnm, however accurate that is

How can they gather that information if the Monero network is opaque?

but overall not that much I would imagine

network traffic is not opaque

that is also being worked on

there is some recent code that is not yet implemented and other things in this area that are being developed

as they say, information wants to be free

I think this chain analysis thing rubs me the wrong way

that these companies are doing, that is

so glad to hear that the XMR devs are trying to make it more difficult

time for sleep

gn qasaur

gn, nice chatting nioc

let's say I connect via clearnet to one of the most used exchange (KYC on) and send some XMR to a subaddress of a wallet I created from a box via clearnet.. How can anyone correlate me to that transaction? Let's say I didn't use any VPN/Proxy.. only way is to find IP address (if it's the same) in both exachange log and monero public nodes?

mfoolb monero public nodes don't know your wallet's address

they only see your IP address

yes.. that's way only log comparison is based on IP address, right

?

yes, your IP address is a huge data leak in this case

well the real leak is the KYC procedure at the exchange..

because IP can be easily obfuscated..

use non-kyc exchanges

nonkyc onion enabled exchanges.. but do you think they'll remain active?

IIRC xmr.to shut down their onion access for example..

you can access xmr.to from tor still, there's even a no javascript verison of the website

azy: "One of the recent changes you may have noticed was that we no longer offer a TOR onion address,"

yeah

i think tor's better used for clearnet websites anyway, hidden services was an afterthought and better done through garlic routing/i2p

so they are a honey pot or what's the reason to disable the hidden service?

lol

"after receiving legal advice."

there's no advantage to connecting to the .onion rather than the .to, as far as i know

with tor browser that is

the upsides of hosting a .onion are... ?

noone knows that you connect at all

plain domains/ips can be blocked. for onion the whole tor would have to be blocked

tor isnt blocked on xmr.to, they just dont run a hidden service

which wouldnt even be hidden in the first place, since xmr.to is a legitimate company with a clearnet website

charolastra: you mean that using tor to connect to non onion address permits to identiy the tor exit node and then evaluate a way to go deep on source recognition?

so is facebook :P

yes, the exit node knows your traffic. you have to assume that they are hosted by NSA/CIA

they also have access to the CA root certificates

<azy "i think tor's better used for cl"> I2p is barely usable

agree

and not many know about it

im not suggesting it should be used, im saying tor's intended for accessing clearnet and hidden services were an afterthought

therefore no onion address is not a big deal

Is there someone from Cake Wallet here?

they already had one. i don't get why they disabled it as it 'costs' nothing to have one enabled

not much gained for having one, and legally it looks bad

why does it look bad?

Is there a Cake Wallet person here?

because it looks like he's laundering onion xmr, which is illegal monies most likely

some sites deny you if you come via tor

does onion xmr smell?

azy: he?

did i misgender somebody

no

who are you talking about

trying to follow the conversation

xmr.to

ah

I guess they took it down as it offers a way to bypass their own region restrictions.

i.e. they can't tell where someone comes from

with tor/vpn at least tehy have some small plausible deniability

doesn't monero itself automaticly smell like money laundering?

does cash?

well actually cash does smell like it

yeah cash does too

and for good reason, nobody who accepts cash pays all their tax if they can get away with it

even if monero isn't money laundering (it has a way to reveal source and destination, unlike fiat), banks and corporations will still claim it's money laundering because it competes with their more opaque money laundering scheme

i swear i get 'this guys a drug dealer' looks from the grocery checkout girls when i hand them cash

maybe theyre just mad they have to do extra work

Kek

Are you a drug dealer azy ?

yeah thats why i pay cash

!!

jesus monkey butt. seagate makes a 16 TB HDD

their new HAMR drive? yeah

There's a Micron 8TB SSD for $900

Seagate 8TB HDD for $140

so the price diff is around 6:1

There's a new 80tb hdd using HAMR in the works don't know the name though

higher perf Seagate Barracuda 8TB HDD $280, so the price diff is even smaller

I would just keep buying SSDs...

at those capacities, a lower perf drive would be unlivable. would take a week to scan the entire drive at 6GB/s

6Gbit/sec

185 hours

might've miscalculated by a factor of 10 or so there

doh only 1.85 hours :P

whats hamr? guess i'll google oit

Heat assisted magnetic something I think

heat assisted!

Half Assed ?

wowzers

100 TB drives by 2030

Dang wonder how slow it'll be to fill that up completly

forget HDD, NVMe is the future look a 30 TB SSD already a year on market --> samsung.com/semiconductor/global.se…ief_Smasung_PM1643_SAS_SSD_1805.pdf

So blockchain bloat is not an issue then?

naw its still all about them internets

dont matter how much you can store if you can't transfer it and process it

who doesn't have 100 Mbit nowadays?

we already got peeps that do blockchain important for some reason

people watch 4k porn and complain about 80 GB blockchain?

4k porn doesn't have a read/write/process orgy on your HDD though

on old fibre cables you can multiply bandwith no prob

apparently australia is a place you would think has good internets, but it doesn't

in a few years sas and sata dies

server will use edsff

clients m.2

all pcie

im trying to decide what to get for an "upload your corrupt data.mdb here" service

i think I can get away with a spinny

sure, you don't need high random IOPS just to upload complete files

but yeah, bandwidth is the biggest concern still. A lot of the world still has no access to wired internet.

question is, how much space, and how long should they sit on the server

most deployed mobile networks deliver only 1/10th or less of their spec'd bandwidth

and the duration effects how big i need

I'd guessm only leave space for 1 unpruned DB at a time, or a couple of pruned

hrm

they shouldn't need to sit around for long. if you tell me there's one to inspect I'll grab it ASAP

ok. thanks for the input. part of me just wants a monsterous HDD :)

oh well then knock yerself out ;)

wonder if the new satellite internets will drive the cost of BW down

i dont really know the specs of that new satellite stuffs though. latency/speed/etc..

satellites are pretty resource-constrained

the faster the transmitter, the more power needed

or more transmitters?

satellites*

more transmitters == more mass

everything you add makes the satellite more expensive

ya i thought thats why they were going small but a bunch of them?

is the goal of starlink and the like not mass adoption? or are they trying to serve a niche?

no idea

mass adoption seems iffy. capacity is far more limited than terrestrial networks

would make most sense to target them at currently underserved populations only.

thats what i thought as well. though it looks like north american launch. unless they are targeting like RVs/mobile homes/rural stuffs 🤷‍♂️

hrm. it would be dope if the file uploader made a hash of the file before upload, sent the hash.... well i guess the integrity of the file should be checked by whatever uploader im using

github.com/tus might be what i use

i found a random 500 gb SSD. might start with that

hey hyc whats your take on the systemd-homed stuffs?

If you want to make an OS, be courteous enough to make your own, not mug another one.

(I have no opinion on that particular part though)

i mean i like the idea of encrypting the home dir on suspend/lock/logout

kinghat: I've only looked it over briefly, camw away with some negative impressions re: large scale user manageability