Where is a good monero exchange for converting other crypto to monero?

[keybase] <kaylasu>: @riceandbeans OTC UwU, fuck exchanges, every single one of them gonna mt. gox ur ass :P

derpy_bridge: OTC?

[discord] <Kayla#5718>: "over the counter" like from people to people directly rather than using a centralized exchange on which you dont even have access to your private keys

riceandbeans: Hodlhodl, Bisq, LocalMonero. OpenBazaar?

I don't actually know any other people in real life that even know what monero is

you need better friends :)

If I've learned anything the last several years its that people don't respond well to being preached to about software

I can only recruit so many of a like mentality

I burned those points on Rust and FreeBSD this year

hello

riceandbeans: Monero is on a lot of exchanges ... Kraken, poloniex, binance, tradeogre etc... also there is xmr.to to convert to btc and morphtoken to convert to several different other cryptocurrencies.

hello

what is the difference between hardfork 1 and hardfork 12

did emition change because of hardfork changes

i find that hard to believe

and havent heard anything of the sort

i dont feel u sure about it

hello

hello newyearday

Hey. Regarding Confidential Transactions and auditing the coin supply. I see there is a command print_coinbase_tx_sum. I understand that with CT, transaction amounts from regularly transactions are not shown on the blockchain, but what about coinbase transactions. Does that command work because coinbase transactions don't use CT, or does it work because Coinbase transactions stick out, and then we assume that they

contain what they should, given the date of the transaction?

apxs94: the coinbase reward isn't hidden

Thanks asymptotically

you can have a look at one on a block explorer :D - xmrchain.net/tx/b1ec19eaaaa57b2e758…5a512de3549d841c22f3694bb212a484c51

Cool! Thanks. Comparing with another transaction recently, I guess the "only" noticeable difference on the link are the number of zeros in the extra field (which I guess is the nonce?)

oh, wait, it just happened that the other transaction I clicked on is also a coinbase transaction (?) are all the ones that show a value = coinbase transaction?

apxs94: some older transactions don't have hidden amounts

i see they vary in amount slightly - is that the miners fee being included? presumably the fees themselves come from older coinbase transactions, so how do you remove them to get the actual coinbase amount?

the actual reward recently dropped below 2 XMR i think, but some are above that because of the fees of the transactions they include

i'm not sure how you can get the base reward. maybe you could just subtract all of the transaction fees

I just see 1 amount, and no delineation between how much of it is coinbase and how much is tx fees. is there another view that shows this?

I guess I ask because presumably if you sum the amounts I see, then you will end up with a higher number than the actual total suppl y

ahh if you go to the actual page for the block on xmrchain.net, you see Block reward, and then you can see how much the miner was paid in the output of the coinbase transaction

In the daemon:

ok, in that case I'm looking at the wrong view - thank you

print_coinbase_tx_sum 2012430 1

Sum of coinbase transactions between block heights [2012430, 2012431) is 1.992495060890 consisting of 1.992231180890 in emissions, and 0.000263880000 in fees

so numbers on xmrchain appear slightly rounded

thanks asymptotically and binaryFate

yeah thanks binaryFate :D - for some reason i thought that the command built into the daemon checked all blocks from the beginning

[discord] <Hooftly#1337>: it can it takes a range of blocks

Ok, so that part of Confidential Transactions all seems very visible and easy to add up... (now that you guys have explained it to me). I'm just trying to understand the fear of Confidential Transactions... so then the next part is the worry around a bug in the range proofs used? Would a bug definitely ruin the blockchain, or is it more nuanced than that... Does it depend if the bug has any visible traces on the

blockchain. If so, presumably a hard fork back to a lower block height with a fixed range proof could "restore" things?

A really bad bug in range proofs could allow someone to mint monero out of thin air, and if the bug is just right, it would not be detectable.

moneromoo - I see. I guess maybe the ed25519 curve is one of the points of vulnerability

when i remove 7 zero from DISPLAY_DECIMAL_POINT and insert 0 to genesis block varint i cant have daemon running

i have allways "has old version 0" message

anyone here

Yes, but helping debugging your own changes isn't going to be attractive to most people :)

*debug

hi! is here any admin of the getmonero.org website?

i think the roadmap should be really updated. it's a shame all the good work done with randomX, pruning nodes, hardware support is still marked as undone or in process.

<xmr-romine> hi @gonzo68 , better go to the #monero-site channel , specifically dedicated to topics related to the getmonero.org website

<xmr-romine> Does somebody know if it is ok to open 2 separate wallets with monero-wallet-gui on a same machine ? or is it unsafe ?

xmr-romine: you can, it's not a problem

<xmr-romine> Thanks @Mochi101 🙏

is it possible to sign and broadcast a transaction without a running wallet-rpc process?

lza_menace, maybe here: monero.stackexchange.com/questions/…ct-a-transaction-manually/2916#2916

ty

it can be done, but not in the way Iwas hoping

lza_menace, maybe here too: xmrchain.net/rawtx

That's probably more what you're looking for.

I was hoping to do it with just a library and not use monero-wallet-rpc/cli

but that's closer

Both use wallet2.

I doubt any of the libraries have implemented it

they all just seem to work with json rpc

is enough to change hardfork number from 1 to 12 if i want new fork to start with v12

newyearday you can ask in #monero-premined-forks

anyone here