00:21:06 <riceandbeans> Where is a good monero exchange for converting other crypto to monero?
01:02:28 <derpy_bridge> [keybase] <kaylasu>: @riceandbeans OTC UwU, fuck exchanges, every single one of them gonna mt. gox ur ass :P
02:05:24 <riceandbeans> derpy_bridge: OTC?
02:15:14 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: "over the counter" like from people to people directly rather than using a centralized exchange on which you dont even have access to your private keys
04:53:28 <rottensox> riceandbeans: Hodlhodl, Bisq, LocalMonero. OpenBazaar?
05:36:26 <riceandbeans> I don't actually know any other people in real life that even know what monero is
05:36:45 <Bill48105> you need better friends :)
05:37:12 <riceandbeans> If I've learned anything the last several years its that people don't respond well to being preached to about software
05:37:31 <riceandbeans> I can only recruit so many of a like mentality
05:37:56 <riceandbeans> I burned those points on Rust and FreeBSD this year
06:40:02 <newyearday> hello
07:44:02 <Inge-> riceandbeans: Monero is on a lot of exchanges ... Kraken, poloniex, binance, tradeogre etc... also there is xmr.to to convert to btc and morphtoken to convert to several different other cryptocurrencies.
09:24:11 <newyearday> hello
09:24:40 <newyearday> what is the difference between hardfork 1 and hardfork 12
09:25:28 <newyearday> did emition change because of hardfork changes
09:25:48 <manifest> i find that hard to believe
09:26:01 <manifest> and havent heard anything of the sort
09:29:06 <newyearday> i dont feel u sure about it
10:54:55 <newyearday> hello
10:55:39 <asymptotically> hello newyearday
11:21:17 <apxs94> Hey. Regarding Confidential Transactions and auditing the coin supply. I see there is a command print_coinbase_tx_sum. I understand that with CT, transaction amounts from regularly transactions are not shown on the blockchain, but what about coinbase transactions. Does that command work because coinbase transactions don't use CT, or does it work because Coinbase transactions stick out, and then we assume that they
11:21:17 <apxs94>  contain what they should, given the date of the transaction?
11:23:07 <asymptotically> apxs94: the coinbase reward isn't hidden
11:23:38 <apxs94> Thanks asymptotically
11:23:53 <asymptotically> you can have a look at one on a block explorer :D - https://xmrchain.net/tx/b1ec19eaaaa57b2e75804202b49d45a512de3549d841c22f3694bb212a484c51
11:28:33 <apxs94> Cool! Thanks. Comparing with another transaction recently, I guess the "only" noticeable difference on the link are the number of zeros in the extra field (which I guess is the nonce?)
11:30:05 <apxs94> oh, wait, it just happened that the other transaction I clicked on is also a coinbase transaction (?) are all the ones that show a value = coinbase transaction?
11:31:19 <asymptotically> apxs94: some older transactions don't have hidden amounts
11:31:55 <apxs94> i see they vary in amount slightly - is that the miners fee being included? presumably the fees themselves come from older coinbase transactions, so how do you remove them to get the actual coinbase amount?
11:32:58 <asymptotically> the actual reward recently dropped below 2 XMR i think, but some are above that because of the fees of the transactions they include
11:33:35 <asymptotically> i'm not sure how you can get the base reward. maybe you could just subtract all of the transaction fees
11:34:34 <apxs94> I just see 1 amount, and no delineation between how much of it is coinbase and how much is tx fees. is there another view that shows this?
11:35:21 <apxs94> I guess I ask because presumably if you sum the amounts I see, then you will end up with a higher number than the actual total suppl y
11:35:54 <asymptotically> ahh if you go to the actual page for the block on xmrchain.net, you see Block reward, and then you can see how much the miner was paid in the output of the coinbase transaction
11:35:59 <asymptotically> https://xmrchain.net/block/2012430
11:36:58 <binaryFate> In the daemon:
11:37:00 <apxs94> ok, in that case I'm looking at the wrong view - thank you
11:37:00 <binaryFate> print_coinbase_tx_sum 2012430 1
11:37:01 <binaryFate> Sum of coinbase transactions between block heights [2012430, 2012431) is 1.992495060890 consisting of 1.992231180890 in emissions, and 0.000263880000 in fees
11:37:57 <binaryFate> so numbers on xmrchain appear slightly rounded
11:39:02 <apxs94> thanks asymptotically and binaryFate
11:39:51 <asymptotically> yeah thanks binaryFate :D - for some reason i thought that the command built into the daemon checked all blocks from the beginning
11:59:11 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Hooftly#1337>: it can it takes a range of blocks
12:09:08 <apxs94> Ok, so that part of Confidential Transactions all seems very visible and easy to add up... (now that you guys have explained it to me). I'm just trying to understand the fear of Confidential Transactions... so then the next part is the worry around a bug in the range proofs used? Would a bug definitely ruin the blockchain, or is it more nuanced than that... Does it depend if the bug has any visible traces on the
12:09:08 <apxs94>  blockchain. If so, presumably a hard fork back to a lower block height with a fixed range proof could "restore" things?
12:47:27 <moneromooo> A really bad bug in range proofs could allow someone to mint monero out of thin air, and if the bug is just right, it would not be detectable.
13:14:54 <apxs94> moneromoo - I see. I guess maybe the ed25519 curve is one of the points of vulnerability
13:40:37 <newyearday> when i remove 7 zero from DISPLAY_DECIMAL_POINT and insert 0 to genesis block varint i cant have daemon running
13:41:00 <newyearday> i have allways "has old version 0" message
13:50:58 <newyearday> anyone here
13:51:47 <moneromooo> Yes, but helping debugging your own changes isn't going to be attractive to most people :)
13:51:59 <moneromooo> *debug
17:29:15 <gonzo68> hi! is here any admin of the getmonero.org website?
17:32:01 <gonzo68> i think the roadmap should be really updated. it's a shame all the good work done with randomX, pruning nodes, hardware support is still marked as undone or in process.
17:32:08 <xmrmatterbridge> <xmr-romine> hi @gonzo68 , better go to the #monero-site channel , specifically dedicated to topics related to the getmonero.org website
17:38:24 <xmrmatterbridge> <xmr-romine> Does somebody know if it is ok to open 2 separate wallets with monero-wallet-gui on a same machine ? or is it unsafe ?
17:39:57 <Mochi101> xmr-romine: you can, it's not a problem
17:53:04 <xmrmatterbridge> <xmr-romine> Thanks @Mochi101 🙏
21:09:29 <lza_menace> is it possible to sign and broadcast a transaction without a running wallet-rpc process?
21:16:50 <Mochi101> lza_menace, maybe here: https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/2868/is-there-any-way-to-construct-a-transaction-manually/2916#2916
21:23:00 <lza_menace> ty
21:23:10 <lza_menace> it can be done, but not in the way Iwas hoping
21:27:32 <Mochi101> lza_menace, maybe here too: https://xmrchain.net/rawtx
21:27:48 <Mochi101> That's probably more what you're looking for.
21:29:29 <lza_menace> I was hoping to do it with just a library and not use monero-wallet-rpc/cli
21:29:34 <lza_menace> but that's closer
21:34:20 <moneromooo> Both use wallet2.
21:37:42 <lza_menace> https://github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/src/wallet/wallet2.cpp
21:42:10 <lza_menace> I doubt any of the libraries have implemented it
21:42:18 <lza_menace> they all just seem to work with json rpc
23:10:28 <newyearday> is enough to change hardfork number from 1 to 12 if i want new fork to start with v12
23:16:12 <binaryFate> newyearday you can ask in #monero-premined-forks
23:20:51 <newyearday> anyone here