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21 Dec 2019

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• 00:34
  riceandbeans
  75G .bitmonero
• 00:34
  riceandbeans
  I'm not fully synced yet, is it expected that it consume that much disk when just running monerod?
• 00:35
  nioc
  I believe the blockchain is about 75GB now
• 00:36
  riceandbeans
  That....sucks. That's almost all of this VM's space.
• 00:36
  OPK
  cant you prune it to whatever you want?
• 00:36
  OPK
  or is that just btc?
• 00:36
  riceandbeans
  I don't know.
• 00:37
  OPK
  i know i used prune on btc and it only uses the most recent 4gb
• 00:37
  nioc
  you can prune which will make it ~25GB
• 00:37
  OPK
  ahh prob worth doing
• 00:38
  riceandbeans
  Do I have to wait until sync is done to prune?
• 00:38
  OPK
  im not sure tbh
• 00:38
  riceandbeans
  This VM's disk is only 128GB and with one build of something I did plus this I was in the danger zone on free space
• 00:39
  moneromooo
  You do not. It's best to start pruning when you don't already have a chain though, the pruning-from-existing-chain is slow.
• 00:39
  nioc
  it used to be if you pruned after syncing you didn't save any space now but would down the road. Not sure but I believe now that you can prune after sync and save the space
• 00:39
  OPK
  hmm yeh i did it from the start iirc
• 00:39
  nioc
  it doesn't save initial sync time
• 00:40
  moneromooo
  Same now.
• 00:41
  nioc
  you didn't mention but an SSD syncs way faster than a HDD
• 00:41
  riceandbeans
  Well, seems you have to exit monerod to prune and have less space used
• 00:41
  riceandbeans
  Also this VM is backed by SSD
• 00:43
  riceandbeans
  How long is a long time to prune?
• 00:44
  riceandbeans
  Are we talking minutes, hours, days?
• 00:44
  riceandbeans
  It's taken over 24 hours to sync so far
• 00:44
  riceandbeans
  Part of that got interrupted by a core dump and running out of space
• 00:44
  riceandbeans
  Part of that was interrupted by using an old version
• 00:45
  nioc
  not sure about time to prune
• 00:45
  riceandbeans
  ballpark?
• 00:45
  nioc
  never did it
• 00:45
  nioc
  I can sync the whole chain in <24hrs
• 00:45
  riceandbeans
  Well what are you waiting for, all the cool kids are doing it
• 00:45
  nioc
  don't remember exactly
• 00:45
  riceandbeans
  Namely, me.
• 00:46
  riceandbeans
  I'm at something like 48 hours to sync now but the biggest interruption was a core dump that ate the rest of the disk space
• 00:47
  riceandbeans
  Also, this pruning has cause the size to increase by like 10% so far
• 00:47
  riceandbeans
  It said it would get bigger first, but I have no idea how far along it is, but I'm hoping the 10% doesn't become 30%
• 00:49
  riceandbeans
  ugh
• 00:49
  riceandbeans
  From the looks of it, it'll be like 50% growth or so because it's writing out a copy of the DB before deleting it
• 00:49
  riceandbeans
  It's not live changes
• 01:04
  moneromooo
  Hours to prune a full chain.
• 01:52
  riceandbeans
  Well, pruning is about to run me out of disk lol
• 01:52
  riceandbeans
  It seems you cannot have a monero wallet on a 128G disk
• 01:54
  riceandbeans
  Why is the ledger so big? My Litecoin takes up a fraction
• 01:54
  riceandbeans
  26G .litecoin
• 01:54
  riceandbeans
  And Litecoin has been around WAY longer
• 01:57
  nioc
  as of now a tx is ~ 5x larger than btc which is the price for privacy and at one time the txs were even larger
• 01:57
  nioc
  is that for ltc pruned?
• 01:58
  nioc
  there is work being done to reduce the size of txs even further which will hopfully be ready 2nd quarter next year
• 02:00
  riceandbeans
  I never pruned my litecoin, so unless it handles it automatically, no.
• 02:01
  riceandbeans
  I was just curious why there was such a massive difference in size
• 02:04
  nioc
  yeah seems that that is ltc"s size
• 02:05
  nioc
  monero has been around since April 2014 so not that much difference in lifetime
• 02:06
  nioc
  forget exactly but at one time monero txs were 25x that of btc
• 04:59
  riceandbeans
  Ok, prune done, 24G
• 05:00
  riceandbeans
  I'm still 16 days out of sync though :(
• 05:10
  riceandbeans
  Ok, so I seem to do 1000 every 11 minutes, so it should take 2 hours to pull the last 15 days in now
• 05:12
  burp
  76G .bitmonero
• 05:12
  burp
  67G with lz4 actually
• 05:19
  riceandbeans
  huh?
• 05:36
  burp
  size of the current full chain ( for me)
• 05:43
  selsta
  burp: you can prune the chain
• 05:51
  riceandbeans
  But lz4?
• 06:04
  burp
  I have it on an lz4 compressed filesystem (zfs)
• 06:24
  riceandbeans
  sigh
• 06:24
  riceandbeans
  Unfortunately, this FreeBSD VM was built with UFS for some god forsaken reason
• 06:25
  riceandbeans
  Why Vultr? Why?
• 08:22
  riceandbeans
  What is the monero version of a satoshi?
• 08:23
  Jae
  riceandbeans: here is a small page with all the units riceandbeans
• 08:23
  Jae
  monero.stackexchange.com/questions/…-the-smallest-unit-of-monero-called
• 08:24
  riceandbeans
  lol, thank you
• 08:24
  riceandbeans
  I'm reminded of the simpsons
• 08:24
  riceandbeans
  canyonero was a car in one episode
• 08:24
  Jae
  Oh
• 08:24
  riceandbeans
  youtube.com/watch?v=PI_Jl5WFQkA
• 08:25
  LobsterMan
  YouTube Title: The Simpsons - Canyonero Views: 956,967 Length: 1:28 Uploaded: 2011-08-07 User: Hoy Likes: 9,702 Dislikes: 170
• 08:25
  Jae
  Ahh, this one
• 08:26
  riceandbeans
  :P You could've just said it uses metric prefixes though
• 08:54
  Mochi101
  I think the new CEO of Monero should at least have ops here... I nominate Snipa for top-op.
• 12:27
  MalMen
  who is in charge of monero konferenco ?
• 15:19
  nioc
  MalMen: don't know but there is #monero-konferenco
• 15:20
  nioc
  there is a meeting in #monero-community today at 15:00 UTC where it should be discussed
• 15:20
  MalMen
  thanks nioc
• 18:18
  riceandbeans
  What effect does priority have an a tx?
• 18:56
  Jae
  Is getmonero.org offline?
• 18:56
  selsta
  not here
• 18:59
  Jae
  It's back. I got the error 1010 for ~10 minutes
• 19:04
  moneromooo
  Priority controls how eager miners will be to mine it. Higher priority -> faster. But without pressure, it's the difference between 0 delay and ten times 0 day, which is also 0.
• 19:05
  moneromooo
  By default, the wallet will use the "don't really care" level if it sees there's no pressure.
• 20:28
  riceandbeans
  moneromooo: So it controls how fast the transaction is realized across the network?
• 20:29
  azy
  no, how likely it is to be included in the next block
• 20:30
  riceandbeans
  What difference does that make?
• 20:31
  azy
  when you create a transaction, everyone almost immediately knows about it, it sits in the mempool, waiting to be added to the chain
• 20:32
  azy
  if theres lots of tx in the mempool ( more than can fit in the next block), those who used higher fees will be prioritised
• 20:32
  azy
  every time a new block is added, all tx in the previous blocks have +1 'confirmations'
• 20:33
  riceandbeans
  What do i gain by my tx making it into the earlier block though?
• 20:33
  riceandbeans
  If the funds are realized in the same time frame regardless
• 20:33
  azy
  a merchant may only accept your order after 5 confirmations, that is, your tx is 5 blocks old
• 20:34
  azy
  so maybe youre in a hurry
• 20:39
  riceandbeans
  But it would be in their wallet and they could use it already
• 20:41
  azy
  depends on the wallet, but it wouldn't really be there yet as it's not on the chain yet
• 20:41
  azy
  only in the mempool