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freecircl
sharing my build fRee, be fRee project:
bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5208039
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jmanslim
are there any random-algorithm crypto currencies yet?
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jmanslim
like each block gets determined by a random algorithm
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xmrmatterbridge
<learninandlurkin> Yes, this one
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xmrmatterbridge
<learninandlurkin> RandomX is pretty random
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bigslim[m]
mooo, your monoero update not compiling on windoze
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moneromooo
OK. Feel free to PR a fix if you have one.
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bigslim[m]
whats the deps for windoze
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bigslim[m]
outside monero deps
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moneromooo
qt5, gpgme
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bigslim[m]
yea I suppose it needed gui deps since it builds that..
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bigslim[m]
oof, i'll come back to this in an hour when its done DL all the updates for msys
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floam412
hey guys, is there a way to send to multiple addresses in one transaction in the gui? I think I've asked this before and was asking about it theoretically (which I think was said can be done CLI) but didn't know if it could be done in the GUI?
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floam412
poking around on the GUI ... it doesn't seem like it
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bigslim[m]
annnnnnnd forgot QT5 so... see you in another hour
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haxx0r
xmr.to empty?
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haxx0r
Operation Limit
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haxx0r
seems like i guess
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Mochi101
haxx0r :)
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haxx0r
wohoo
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Mochi101
How're you doing?
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haxx0r
need BTC
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haxx0r
xmr.to empty :(
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bigslim[m]
hmm yea cxx not finding path on msys for monero-builder
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Mochi101
how much?
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bigslim[m]
xmr.to empty cuz they all moving to aeon.to
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haxx0r
yah fuck no
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bigslim[m]
lol
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haxx0r
need 0.4449 BTC
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Mochi101
not ryo.to ?
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bigslim[m]
lol
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bigslim[m]
btc.to
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Mochi101
oooh... too much for me haxx0r. Can't help you there.
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haxx0r
so i need swap on bittrex
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haxx0r
ok
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bigslim[m]
u need to use Bisq
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bigslim[m]
thats what you need to do
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nonie
Bisq ++1
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carlino3
hello
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carlino3
what are the privacy benefits of monero that bitcoin doesn't have?
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louipc
carlino3: it makes the transactions harder to track
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rottensox
carlino3: ringct, stealth addresses, confidential transactions. bulletproofs.
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carlino3
louipc i undestand that. but how?
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rottensox
carlino3: ringct, stealth addresses, confidential transactions. bulletproofs.
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louipc
read the whitepapers
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rottensox
sender address, receiver address, balances are concealed.
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rottensox
carlino3: 1 XMR = 1 XMR no matter what past the coins may have had.
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rottensox
whereas 1 BTC = 1 BTC*
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rottensox
*: Certain conditions apply.
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
Imagine giving someone a dollar
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rottensox
the dollar analogy does not compute here quite well.
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
You'd also have to tell them everywhere that dollar has been, if it was bitcoin
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carlino3
yes
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rottensox
cash has serials. central banks can trace cash.
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louipc
dollar dollar bills can be marked
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
so does bitcoin...
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
and it can be traced
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rottensox
ok.
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
So if you gave someone a dollar
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
You'd also have to tell them everywhere that dollar has been, if it was bitcoin
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
But I guess that doesn't compute
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rottensox
what analogy are you gonna come up with for monero, sir? oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
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louipc
analogies suck usually
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
Wasn't planning on coming up with an analogy for monero
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rottensox
ok.
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carlino3
but the guy that you gave him the dollar saw your face
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louipc
you could wear a mask
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louipc
skimask
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louipc
or stab his eyes
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carlino3
probably wouldn't work
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carlino3
today's cities are filled up with cameras
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louipc
what about the underground sewer network
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
or bitcoin is http
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
and monero is https
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louipc
nononono
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carlino3
oyntgkuapzhbyzr[: well, HTTPS works by protecting the data, but also to identify servers
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
only if you are using a CA
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louipc
analogies are bad
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
for who?
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louipc
for everyone
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
Well not everyone is using Monero yet
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
Which is also bad for everyone
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louipc
misrepresenting how things actually work is bad for everyone
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
True
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
But they need a bridge to something more secure
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
and they're not just going to "read a whitepaper"
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
Especially one that changes every 6 months
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carlino3
never tried monero. but i'm interested in its focus on privacy
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louipc
all i'll say that bitcoin and monero are nothing like http nor https. theres lots of resources to help you understand
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
A ton of resources, agreed
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
a fuckton
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carlino3
all i have heard is that the monero blockchain is encrypted
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
an ever evolving tome
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
Now lets get all 7 billion of us to read it all
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
If you had a chance to explain someone in 2 sentences how Monero will help them, whats your approach?
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
You can't just throw the whole book at people
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
gotta get them thinking its important for them
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louipc
its different for everyone
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
Well I came in with the http and https analogy
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
I understood its not http and https, but the cryptocurrency equivalent
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louipc
but its not at all
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louipc
completely misleading analogy
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
Im here now
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
Literally in this channel
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
with a wallet full of coin
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
that is spent and received
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
because of that nnalogy
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
is all I'm saying
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louipc
monero is a digital currency that is expressly designed to protect its users privacy (whereas bitcoin is not).
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louipc
thats something anyone can understand
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louipc
and does not misrepresent
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
I wish more people cared about their privacy
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carlino3
true
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carlino3
"common" people doesn't give a s* about their privacy
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
Why don't they?
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
Anyone can understand
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carlino3
i think because they don't understand the risks of being an internet user
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
We'll just have to keep throwing the book at people on how their privacy is being violated i guess
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carlino3
they won't listen.
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louipc
first get them off facebook
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
Tried
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carlino3
most of people doesn't even know the amount of information that they gave to these companies
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carlino3
or they don't care, becuase 'i have nothing to hide'
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carlino3
and of course, they never read the terms and privacy policies of these services
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louipc
oh well. move on then
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carlino3
what else can we do?
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
Its not for everyone tbh
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carlino3
oyntgkuapzhbyzr[ what thing?
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
Even getting them off of facebook, they'll need new content
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carlino3
i don't use social networks and my phone isn't smart
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
Facebook is a constant stream of content, and content they like and are used to
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louipc
just dont use those services. at least dont post anything
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carlino3
people today cannot live without those services
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carlino3
at least young people
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
Yea
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
Life without facebook is http
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
Life with facebook is https
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louipc
dude you know facebook serves over https
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carlino3
?
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
whooosh
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carlino3
didn't understood the comparision
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louipc
google is a company that's pushing https and delisting sites that dont have https
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louipc
stop with the shit analogies
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
You're no fun
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
and thats the issue
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
there is a lot of entertainment factor when it comes to those services
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
Getting people off of those services ends their entertainment. They get bored
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
Unless they find someone to fill that spot, they just sign back up anyway
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
Someone or somethin
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
so as far as the fun factor:life without facebook
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
http
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
life with facebook
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
https
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
its better
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louipc
life without facebook is like an elephants tail
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louipc
life with facebook is like an elephants trunk
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louipc
analogies are like an elephants anus full of shit
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carlino3
oyntgkuapzhbyzr[ actually it is the opposite
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carlino3
people thinks that is entertaining, but they loose a lot of time looking at his phones watching crap on social networks
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
I understand
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
But after a while, they follow certain personalities and become a part of that community
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
Uprooting that is tough
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
Its a tradeoff that you have to convince someone to take. Entertainment for privacy
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
You have to explain to them why their privacy is more important than their source of entertainment
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
entertainment brings laughter, joy, sharing, and community
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
or maybe the opposite, but some people like that stuff too
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louipc
the last 3 are built on personal connections. not entertainment
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carlino3
right
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
Like and subscribe
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carlino3
social networks are a serious issue, not only talking about privacy.
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louipc
they are also a big marketing tool
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louipc
'like comment and subscribe to win free stuff'
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carlino3
of course, that is the worst
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
social tho
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carlino3
nah
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
You might have better luck if you were to have the big time content creators move to a platform that respects privacy
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louipc
its inevitable if you decentralize entertainment and the revenue model then you will get more sponsorships and that kind of junk
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carlino3
i don't think that decentralization will help, talking about privacy
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louipc
it will help against getting shut down, censored, defunded, etc
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carlino3
that will prevent those companies from making money from the user's data
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carlino3
not the user's stupidity
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louipc
right
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carlino3
"hey we are eating a pizza, lets share it on facebook"
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carlino3
"hey i'm now working at xxxxx"
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marmulak
humans...
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louipc
you still have to use it wisely
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
Still, monero only works in a capitalist society
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louipc
why
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
and aren't we at the end of days when it comes to capitalism?
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carlino3
why?
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
Because its a means of exchange
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louipc
there's always a capitalist market in any society
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
There is today
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carlino3
capitalism sucks
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louipc
there's always going to be a black market
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louipc
where you can get what you want at the right price
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
In a capitalist society, yes
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louipc
in any society man
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
Only in societies that have a means of exchange
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louipc
you gonna have to lock everyone up in a cell to eliminate all means of exchange
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
Probably going to have to murder some billionaires, yes
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louipc
and even then there will be people who evade
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louipc
things will be exchanged
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
Yes, but a means of exchange is the issue
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
Because someone can hog all the means
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
like those fancy billionaires
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louipc
prison bosses will trade with each other, trade with guards who will trade with prisoners
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carlino3
i don't think so
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louipc
rules never stopped anyone from doing what they want if they really wanted
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carlino3
we need a mean of exchange
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
Not if everything you need is provided to you
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carlino3
provided from who?
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
From your community
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carlino3
sounds nice
-
carlino3
but comunism doens't work
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louipc
lol
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
It doesn't work when capitalism is introduced
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louipc
capitalism will always exist
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louipc
it doesnt need to be introduced
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
and it will always be bad
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louipc
it exists inherently in human psyche
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
it will always exploit you
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louipc
because people will always want more than they 'need'
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louipc
advancement is a compulsion of humanity
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carlino3
you can't expect all the people to work in an equitably way
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
it finds a way to mass produce items at the cheapest price possible
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louipc
if we didnt advance we would still be in the stone age
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
You don't even need all that shit that is produced
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louipc
or extinct
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louipc
communism completely ignores individual human desire for advancement
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
Then its time to advance out of caplistalism
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louipc
stupid idea
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
We are so advanced
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
But look at what it cost
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carlino3
society sucks
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louipc
doesnt matter. ppl want more and more
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louipc
it will not stop
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
We literally have trash/rubbish islands in the ocean
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carlino3
oyntgkuapzhbyzr[ it depends on what do you mean by advanced
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
We need to advance our society, not technology
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
Pause tech
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carlino3
that is not gonna happen
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
So imagine if it doesn't happen
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
within, lets say, the next 8 years
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
and we fuck up the earth so bad that the damage is irreversible
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
and it just exponentially gets worse every year because of it
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carlino3
who cares? all that people want is money
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
and to be entertained
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
They're definitely not out there cleaning the ocean/beaches
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louipc
lol go clean the ocean then
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
I clean my local river occassionally
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
I dont live near the ocean unfortunately
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louipc
i think given a 100 million or billlion years the earth will have developed plastic-based life forms
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louipc
so no problems
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
Imagine trying to convince someone that global warming is irreversible after 8 years
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louipc
you know if there was no life on earth there would be no oil or plastic either
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louipc
why would anyone try to do that
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
Its already in a lot of the water on earth
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
Its breaks down microscopically
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
a lot of us drink it
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
It changes our hormones a lot
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louipc
its all part of nature, evolution
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
I guess so is using facebook
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
and using bitcoin instead of monero
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azy
and raping
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
PLAYER 4 HAS ENTERED THE GAME
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azy
bored of you stuck in the mud niggas
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azy
justifying everything because youve been made to feel defensive
-
azy
come vegan
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
yawn
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oyntgkuapzhbyzr[
I am vegan
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carlino3
back to topic: is exchanging btc to monero and then back to btc a good way to improve privacy on bitcoin transactions?
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louipc
how do you do that
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carlino3
in an exchange that doesn't ask for personal information
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louipc
maybe. but then you dont need to use monero at all
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louipc
you can use dogecoin even
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carlino3
i understand your point
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coppa
I would do a btc=>exchange=>xmr=>withdraw=>exchange=>btc=>withdraw cause otherwise you depends of the exchange implementation
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coppa
thats s****y anyway ...
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coppa
or bisq is made for that right ?
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louipc
lol just use monero
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coppa
exactly
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q-wayland[m]
Hey
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supercoven
This might be a stupid question but I have monero wallet gui on my Windows PC. How could I get that wallet to my Android phone?
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q-wayland[m]
Your recoveryphrase
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supercoven
Ok I see
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supercoven
What app is safest?
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fort3hlulz
Monerujo for Android and Cake Wallet for iOS are the normal recommended ones
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fort3hlulz
Have used both and both are great
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supercoven
Ok thank you very much both of you!
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supercoven
One question
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supercoven
Im making a view only wallet
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supercoven
Should I use public view key or secret view key?
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moneromooo
You give the view wallet both.
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moneromooo
The secret spend key stays in the full wallet though.
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supercoven
Im trying to get my wallet opened on Monerujo app
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moneromooo
If it asks for only one, it's the secret key (the public one can be derived from it)
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supercoven
And its obly asking for one view key
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supercoven
Which one to use?
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supercoven
Okey I see
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supercoven
Thanks
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supercoven
Ok got it working
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supercoven
Hello again
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supercoven
I opened my Wallet GUI and get this error from monerod cmd window
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supercoven
"peer claims higher version that we think (60 for 1992456 instead of 12) - we may be forked from the network and a software upgrade may be needed"
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supercoven
I upgraded to 0.15.0.1 Carbon Chamaeleon few days ago so what could be wrong?
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moneromooo
You can ignore. Nothing wrong.
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supercoven
Okey thanks :)