"when you centralized around something thats decentralized, it increases decentralization" . i wonder if thats true

^ centralize

or is it better to have multiple decentralized things that interconnect

i think they mean use a common network protocol

or something

i think the former has a case in point with the internet

yeah

well, the protocols of the internet

i mean, there could have been secondary networks that use different protocols

you could still have walled gardens. but any publicly released enhancements would benefit everyone

but for example theres a lot of distributed networks being built on top of tor network

but i2p is a completely separate distributed network that cant really share with tor's growth and improvements

different protocols

yeah. i always love how seamlessly bisq just uses tor

its like everything just works

yea and theres some others

well it could be common network protocol.. or network... but i guess a network protocol is a network duh

im just thinking about a decentralized internet mesh network incentivized by some kind of system. monero could just be plugging in, using hash-for-service

but others would argue, why not build a blockchain just for that

well, i guess, it doesn't need a blockchain.... but it actually might. re: DNS-type stuff. though i guess you don't need a blockchain for that

not everything needs a blockchain

BURN THE HERETIC!

Everything is better with bacon^h^h^h^hlockchain!

sir?

i'm afraid you went overboard with the xanies.

!network

.network

kk

where can I find a trustworthy public node?

I'm looking at moneroworld.com/#nodes but it seems like this has a lot of broken links and might be out of date

also it seems like even if I do connect to a random node, it's taking a long time to sync and writing data to my hard drive that I don't have room for

How do I see if a specific address label has funds?

i am using monero-wallet-cli at the moment

so is there a way to run the official monero cli wallet without downloaidng a bunch of the blockchain locally?

my problem is exactly that I dont have enough hd space for it

Hail_Spacecake, if you connect to a remote node you dont need to download the blockchain

you still need to do some computation, to check for your in/outputs on the chain, or something, but you're not downloading the chain if you use a remote node

azy: I picked a random node off of moneroworld.com/#nodes and used set_daemon to set it

and hten the client started freezing periodicaly and saying it was syncing

is it not downloading blocks in that syncing phase? if not why is it taking so long?

also what does the trusted vs untrusted flag actually do?

i've never used 'set_daemon' before. i use the cli wallet: ./monero-wallet-cli --daemon-address node.moneroworld.com:18089

ive not come across a trusted/untrusted flag before

theres an option to download a pruned blockchain, which i believe is less than 25gb

Hail_Spacecake: monero.stackexchange.com/a/1138

>When sending a transaction, the wallet will ask the daemon for the number of outputs of given size exist on the blockchain, to know what amounts are compatible with the requested mixin. This tells the daemon the set of amounts for which the wallet has one more more outputs. If using an untrusted daemon, this will be skipped (the wallet will ask for all outputs, not just the ones it has; it's fairly slow, but privacy preserving).

hm, okay

azy: using that version of the command I'm still seeing hte cli sit there and say it's refreshing from 168xxxx to 1984282

are those blocks in the chain? and is it actually downloading them locally?

it's not using up much hdd space if any

it's checking for your transactions throughout the history of the chain

is this just a one-time thing?

why'd it start at 168xxx or so?

your wallet had already checked up to that point maybe

you can use the 'save' command so it doesnt do it next time

i think

I just installed it on this computer

<learninandlurkin> Normally you would set refresh height for it to start from

or a date

so if youve not used the wallet before you can use the latest height and it'll take 2 seconds

it doesn't seem to respond to ctrl-C

oh wait it did after a time

If you do NOT trust shiny and polished web sites, you can always download the torrent and be a seeder of the monero binaries.

!torrent

nonie: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:2fa0ac731b9e483c2534a9fcf1e3312f39dd7a76&dn=monero-all-v0.15.0.1&tr=http0x0p+00.0000000.000000tracker.opentrackr.org0x0p+013370.000000announce

Dont forget to verify the binaries.

!verify

nonie: gpg --verify hashes.txt && head -n-13 hashes.txt | tail -n+9 | sed -e '/^$/d' -e 's/^\(.*\),\(.*$\)/\2 \1/g' | sha256sum -c -

Awfully quiet here. All people out for Christmas shopping? :)

mebbe?

Yeah, gifting ourselves shiny new Ryzens for mining ...

if we can afford 'em, tho.

Is it profitable to mine monero using the CPU or a standard end-user PC (i3 or i5), lets say its running 24/7 and there's like 200 systems. How much would it make?

don't expect to be spoon fed.

look it up yourself.

I need CPU mining

ok retard. read and do your own research.

we aren't here paid by the government to spoon fed a lazy asshole.

Someone might already know. I don't want to re-invent the wheel.

building your own wheel is how you learn

have fun waiting for some bored ass to address your basic questions. for all the rest, click on the links i provided.

I dont wanna learn for now though.

so don't mine and go back to #bitcoin where you belong.

Soeone

Someone got up angry :D

angry is my normal mood.

;-)

It's business. I am not asking deep technical details

c0mmy: yes we are getting rich just putting our Raspberry Pis to mine

oh, if you're going to profit from the info, you should be willing to pay for the help then

lol.

But I don't wanna pay that's why I came to IRC

c0mmy I can help you set up your 200 systems for a small fee of 200 XMR

am not asking for tech setup

"How much would it make?" -> 200*0.1 = $20/day before electricity

sech1: Monero?

no, ryo.

$0.1/day is for i3 or i5 PC

on average

sech1: that's the most profitable out there in your opinion?

20$ per day thats 600$ per month which isnt bad

lotta monies in sierra leon where you're based.

indeed.

and when running such a mining software, would it utilize a lot of the computers CPU?

like would the CPU spike to maybe 50% at all times for example?

depends on the config, dummy.

you can set it up so it uses 1% of your cpu, 50% or 100%.

did you get past high school?

101% breaks the universe so don't try that

yeah but of course the next question comes in, 1% and 50% and 100% all make different profits right

I run all my miners at 110%

noooo! of course not!

you make 1000 xmr when 1%.

only 1 xmr when 100%.

hmm then why does such a config exist?

to make it utilize 100% or 50% or 1% or whatever

ask a tarot reader.

they know a lot of stuff.

.

?

rottensox is giving you stupid answers, because you seem to be asking stupid questions

:)

I don't care actually

sooner or later I'll get the needed info

Its just a matter of time

if you had two brain cells to rub together, you would already know the info

is it xmr?

oh my god.

OKay so I am using some online mining calculator

for moneor, how do I identify the mining power in hashes per second

you grab your tv remote control, turn it on and watch some mainstream media.

lets say we have a 3.0GHz i3 cpu

that's how you find out.

anyway am checking how to find out the hash rate of a cpu

You get a miner (ie, xmrig), run it on your particular hardware till it tells you how much it gets.

It'll depend on CPU, RAM, and cache.

Well, CPU and cache really.

Aha.

you hadit right. depends heavily on RAM timings

But lets say I dont wanna install the software. I know what CPU I will use, I know its model and details and speed. Is there an online service/website that can calculate that for me

Right. I get rx and cn confused a bit :)

monerobenchmarks.info <- maybe you find your cpu here.

monerobenchmarks.info should have info

you're going to have to install the software sooner or later

why rely on somebody else's possibly inaccurate measurement, instead of getting the real numbers on your own machines?

it's stupid not to check for yourself if you plan to build a business around it

I will check for myself

just that I dont have access to one of them for the time being

I just wanna get a quick and dirty glimpse of what might be the numbers we're talking about

at least and estimation

no need to know exactly

like is it 1$ per day, is it 5$ per day is it 1 cent per day etc...

Because I have no clue what it looks like

I would get a reasonable range from those sites at least

so xmrig is the best miner software for monero on windows?

I think so yes.

Would be good if other OSS miners got about the same hash rate so we don't end up with a monopoly there.

quick link for a windows installer?

I guess I could merge randomx into my wolf-miner fork

it's still the easiest to get ported to ARM etc, minimal dependencies

Which one from the list below for windows? github.com/xmrig/xmrig/releases/tag/v5.1.1

This looks good to me

xmrig-5.1.1-msvc-win64.zip

@ commy. Should work on your computer. If it does not start try the 32 bit version.

if the 64bit version doesn't work, then you're asting your time. mining on 32bit is pointless

hyc: Why?

if I have a 32 bit cpu, what's wrong?

4-6x slower than 64bit

wow

maybe use the gcc64 version. xmrig-5.1.1-gcc-win64.zip. msvc could require some additional dll file.

gcc won't require the gcc compiler?

downloading the msvc version anyways

ok.

should work

quick one

there should be like a test run, or a quick command to check hash rate right

like xmrig --checkhashrate

cuz I dont wanna setup a monero wallet and configure a pool and deal with setting up the miner etc

also there's a default donation level of 5% whcih can be reduced to 1%, but to disable it, it has to be done frome source code :S, meaning I"ll have to download source and compile it

:S

Incentive to learn.

If you just need a benchmark you could use this, i guess. github.com/tevador/RandomX/releases

how tough. i have to set up a monero wallet, configure a pool and mess with a config file. :S

elementary school was easier. :S

rottensox with the current situation of my pc which barely has any disk space left and my crappy internet connection its a pain

trying to avoid that all together as much as possible

very painful indeed.

poor you.

c0mmy. You can install a wallet on your android phone. monerujo.

okay

um

I can sympathize with that. You have no money, a 6 year old computer at home and but you still want to participate. I have experienced this myself. Every cent hurts.

Yeah and I have a huge botnet

happens to be that my pc is the test system

but 1500 hashes per second thats the average of a core i3 cpu on windows 10 x64, according to the calculator and current price it makes 0.01$ per day

which is crap

ah no wait

that was per hour

0.14$ is per day

Botnets dont work on mining pools any more. blacklists.

nonie: What do you mean?

It's a special kinda one

fresh out of the oven

aint on no black lists

Depends- Did you hack it yourself or did you get access via some script kiddie tool on dark web.

can't say much, but rest assured its not on any list and wont be

side question though, does that miner run on arm processors

or some other custom shit

Sorry - for wasteing money on dark web. Wont work.

like routers and other devices

nonie: I didn't mention anything about the dark web

just saying.

and am just saying rest assured it is not on any list and wont be

if I look at a random monero blockchain block, say moneroblocks.info/tx/3e9d4041c0560a…0995355bd17b9645a0336eec0f8aff102d5

er, a random transaction on that block

I see that there are two public keys listed as outputs

what can someone learn from knowing those public keys?

and how do wallet addresses map to public keys?

When they're used as inputs in a ring sometime later. That they are likely to belong to different wallets. That one is likely change.

what's a ring?

That the sum of their amounts is less or equal to the sum of the inputs.

Hail_Spacecake: getmonero.org/resources/moneropedia/ringsignatures.html