03:30:33 <gingeropolous> "when you centralized around something thats decentralized, it increases decentralization" . i wonder if thats true
03:30:46 <gingeropolous>              ^ centralize
03:31:28 <gingeropolous> or is it better to have multiple decentralized things that interconnect
03:32:27 <louipc> i think they mean use a common network protocol
03:32:39 <louipc> or something
03:32:40 <gingeropolous> i think the former has a case in point with the internet
03:32:43 <gingeropolous> yeah
03:32:58 <gingeropolous> well, the protocols of the internet
03:33:15 <gingeropolous> i mean, there could have been secondary networks that use different protocols
03:33:17 <louipc> you could still have walled gardens. but any publicly released enhancements would benefit everyone
03:33:55 <louipc> but for example theres a lot of distributed networks being built on top of tor network
03:34:40 <louipc> but i2p is a completely separate distributed network that cant really share with tor's growth and improvements
03:34:47 <louipc> different protocols
03:35:25 <gingeropolous> yeah. i always love how seamlessly bisq just uses tor
03:35:39 <gingeropolous> its like everything just works
03:36:00 <louipc> yea and theres some others
03:39:53 <gingeropolous> well it could be common network protocol.. or network... but i guess a network protocol is a network duh
03:40:51 <gingeropolous> im just thinking about a decentralized internet mesh network incentivized by some kind of system. monero could just be plugging in, using hash-for-service
03:41:04 <gingeropolous> but others would argue, why not build a blockchain just for that
03:41:47 <gingeropolous> well, i guess, it doesn't need a blockchain.... but it actually might. re: DNS-type stuff. though i guess you don't need a blockchain for that
04:14:15 <louipc> not everything needs a blockchain
08:22:39 <Inge-> BURN THE HERETIC!
08:23:28 <Inge-> Everything is better with bacon^h^h^h^hlockchain!
08:24:28 <rottensox> sir?
08:24:41 <rottensox> i'm afraid you went overboard with the xanies.
08:30:27 <azy> !network
08:30:30 <azy> .network
08:30:33 <azy> kk
08:37:11 <Hail_Spacecake> where can I find a trustworthy public node?
08:37:46 <Hail_Spacecake> I'm looking at https://moneroworld.com/#nodes but it seems like this has a lot of broken links and might be out of date
09:09:51 <Hail_Spacecake> also it seems like even if I do connect to a random node, it's taking a long time to sync and writing data to my hard drive that I don't have room for
09:18:33 <kintarowonders> How do I see if a specific address label has funds?
09:18:55 <kintarowonders> i am using monero-wallet-cli at the moment
10:08:22 <Hail_Spacecake> so is there a way to run the official monero cli wallet without downloaidng a bunch of the blockchain locally?
10:08:29 <Hail_Spacecake> my problem is exactly that I dont have enough hd space for it
10:09:08 <azy> Hail_Spacecake, if you connect to a remote node you dont need to download the blockchain
10:09:32 <azy> you still need to do some computation, to check for your in/outputs on the chain, or something, but you're not downloading the chain if you use a remote node
10:10:23 <Hail_Spacecake> azy: I picked a random node off of https://moneroworld.com/#nodes and used set_daemon to set it
10:10:40 <Hail_Spacecake> and hten the client started freezing periodicaly and saying it was syncing
10:10:56 <Hail_Spacecake> is it not downloading blocks in that syncing phase? if not why is it taking so long?
10:11:06 <Hail_Spacecake> also what does the trusted vs untrusted flag actually do?
10:12:20 <azy> i've never used 'set_daemon' before. i use the cli wallet: ./monero-wallet-cli --daemon-address node.moneroworld.com:18089
10:13:02 <azy> ive not come across a trusted/untrusted flag before
10:14:11 <azy> theres an option to download a pruned blockchain, which i believe is less than 25gb
10:14:46 <asymptotically> Hail_Spacecake: https://monero.stackexchange.com/a/1138
10:14:47 <asymptotically> >When sending a transaction, the wallet will ask the daemon for the number of outputs of given size exist on the blockchain, to know what amounts are compatible with the requested mixin. This tells the daemon the set of amounts for which the wallet has one more more outputs. If using an untrusted daemon, this will be skipped (the wallet will ask for all outputs, not just the ones it has; it's fairly slow, but privacy preserving).
10:15:59 <Hail_Spacecake> hm, okay
10:16:55 <Hail_Spacecake> azy: using that version of the command I'm still seeing hte cli sit there and say it's refreshing from 168xxxx to 1984282
10:17:09 <Hail_Spacecake> are those blocks in the chain? and is it actually downloading them locally?
10:17:53 <azy> it's not using up much hdd space if any
10:18:00 <azy> it's checking for your transactions throughout the history of the chain
10:18:05 <Hail_Spacecake> is this just a one-time thing?
10:18:16 <Hail_Spacecake> why'd it start at 168xxx or so?
10:19:13 <azy> your wallet had already checked up to that point maybe
10:19:28 <azy> you can use the 'save' command so it doesnt do it next time
10:19:31 <azy> i think
10:19:33 <Hail_Spacecake> I just installed it on this computer
10:20:25 <xmrmatterbridge> <learninandlurkin> Normally you would set  refresh height for it to start from
10:20:38 <azy> or a date
10:20:55 <azy> so if youve not used the wallet before you can use the latest height and it'll take 2 seconds
10:21:40 <Hail_Spacecake> it doesn't seem to respond to ctrl-C
10:21:49 <Hail_Spacecake> oh wait it did after a time
14:11:10 <nonie> If you do NOT trust shiny and polished web sites, you can always download the torrent and be a seeder of the monero binaries.
14:11:14 <nonie> !torrent
14:11:14 <qoopbot> nonie: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:2fa0ac731b9e483c2534a9fcf1e3312f39dd7a76&dn=monero-all-v0.15.0.1&tr=http0x0p+00.0000000.000000tracker.opentrackr.org0x0p+013370.000000announce
14:11:26 <nonie> Dont forget to verify the binaries.
14:11:30 <nonie> !verify
14:11:31 <qoopbot> nonie: gpg --verify hashes.txt && head -n-13 hashes.txt | tail -n+9 | sed -e '/^$/d' -e 's/^\(.*\),\(.*$\)/\2 \1/g' | sha256sum -c -
18:12:55 <rbrunner> Awfully quiet here. All people out for Christmas shopping? :)
18:13:33 <rottensox> mebbe?
18:14:54 <rbrunner> Yeah, gifting ourselves shiny new Ryzens for mining ...
18:15:12 <rottensox> if we can afford 'em, tho.
19:39:18 <c0mmy> Is it profitable to mine monero using the CPU or a standard end-user PC (i3 or i5), lets say its running 24/7 and there's like 200 systems. How much would it make?
19:39:40 <rottensox> don't expect to be spoon fed.
19:39:44 <rottensox> look it up yourself.
19:40:06 <rottensox> https://whattomine.com
19:40:18 <rottensox> https://github.com/xmrig/xmrig
19:40:21 <c0mmy> I need CPU mining
19:40:23 <rottensox> https://supportxmr.com/
19:40:33 <rottensox> ok retard. read and do your own research.
19:40:48 <rottensox> we aren't here paid by the government to spoon fed a lazy asshole.
19:41:02 <c0mmy> Someone might already know. I don't want to re-invent the wheel.
19:41:28 <hyc> building your own wheel is how you learn
19:41:28 <rottensox> have fun waiting for some bored ass to address your basic questions. for all the rest, click on the links i provided.
19:42:00 <c0mmy> I dont wanna learn for now though.
19:42:12 <rottensox> so don't mine and go back to #bitcoin where you belong.
19:42:28 <moneromooo> Soeone
19:42:39 <moneromooo> Someone got up angry :D
19:42:50 <rottensox> angry is my normal mood.
19:42:52 <rottensox> ;-)
19:42:53 <c0mmy> It's business. I am not asking deep technical details
19:43:05 <vdo> c0mmy: yes we are getting rich just putting our Raspberry Pis to mine
19:43:10 <hyc> oh, if you're going to profit from the info, you should be willing to pay for the help then
19:43:10 <rottensox> lol.
19:44:12 <c0mmy> But I don't wanna pay that's why I came to IRC
19:44:21 <sech1> c0mmy I can help you set up your 200 systems for a small fee of 200 XMR
19:45:00 <c0mmy> am not asking for tech setup
19:45:08 * rottensox yawns
19:45:38 <sech1> "How much would it make?" -> 200*0.1 = $20/day before electricity
19:46:07 <c0mmy> sech1: Monero?
19:46:19 <rottensox> no, ryo.
19:46:21 <sech1> $0.1/day is for i3 or i5 PC
19:46:26 <sech1> on average
19:46:54 <c0mmy> sech1: that's the most profitable out there in your opinion?
19:47:24 <c0mmy> 20$ per day thats 600$ per month which isnt bad
19:48:47 <rottensox> lotta monies in sierra leon where you're based.
19:48:49 <rottensox> indeed.
19:49:29 <c0mmy> and when running such a mining software, would it utilize a lot of the computers CPU?
19:49:42 <c0mmy> like would the CPU spike to maybe 50% at all times for example?
19:49:53 <rottensox> depends on the config, dummy.
19:50:09 <rottensox> you can set it up so it uses 1% of your cpu, 50% or 100%.
19:50:18 <rottensox> did you get past high school?
19:50:29 <Epsilon[m]> 101% breaks the universe so don't try that
19:50:40 <c0mmy> yeah but of course the next question comes in, 1% and 50% and 100% all make different profits right
19:50:43 <hyc> I run all my miners at 110%
19:50:50 <rottensox> noooo! of course not!
19:50:54 <rottensox> you make 1000 xmr when 1%.
19:50:58 <rottensox> only 1 xmr when 100%.
19:51:15 <c0mmy> hmm then why does such a config exist?
19:51:24 <c0mmy> to make it utilize 100% or 50% or 1% or whatever
19:51:26 <rottensox> ask a tarot reader.
19:51:27 * hyc sighs
19:51:29 <rottensox> they know a lot of stuff.
19:54:19 <c0mmy> .
19:54:58 <c0mmy> ?
19:55:36 <hyc> rottensox is giving you stupid answers, because you seem to be asking stupid questions
19:55:45 <rottensox> :)
19:56:26 <c0mmy> I don't care actually
19:56:38 <c0mmy> sooner or later I'll get the needed info
19:56:50 <c0mmy> Its just a matter of time
19:56:57 <hyc> if you had two brain cells to rub together, you would already know the info
19:57:13 <c0mmy> is it xmr?
19:57:22 <rottensox> oh my god.
19:58:08 <c0mmy> OKay so I am using some online mining calculator
19:58:26 <c0mmy> for moneor, how do I identify the mining power in hashes per second
19:58:50 <rottensox> you grab your tv remote control, turn it on and watch some mainstream media.
19:58:52 <c0mmy> lets say we have a 3.0GHz i3 cpu
19:58:55 <rottensox> that's how you find out.
20:00:11 <c0mmy> anyway am checking how to find out the hash rate of a cpu
20:00:11 <moneromooo> You get a miner (ie, xmrig), run it on your particular hardware till it tells you how much it gets.
20:00:33 <moneromooo> It'll depend on CPU, RAM, and cache.
20:00:47 <moneromooo> Well, CPU and cache really.
20:00:54 <c0mmy> Aha.
20:01:06 <hyc> you hadit right. depends heavily on RAM timings
20:01:30 <c0mmy> But lets say I dont wanna install the software. I know what CPU I will use, I know its model and details and speed. Is there an online service/website that can calculate that for me
20:01:37 <moneromooo> Right. I get rx and cn confused a bit :)
20:01:54 <nonie> https://monerobenchmarks.info/ <- maybe you find your cpu here.
20:02:02 <Epsilon[m]> https://monerobenchmarks.info/ should have info
20:02:29 <hyc> you're going to have to install the software sooner or later
20:02:50 <hyc> why rely on somebody else's possibly inaccurate measurement, instead of getting the real numbers on your own machines?
20:03:02 <hyc> it's stupid not to check for yourself if you plan to build a business around it
20:03:11 <c0mmy> I will check for myself
20:03:18 <c0mmy> just that I dont have access to one of them for the time being
20:03:36 <c0mmy> I just wanna get a quick and dirty glimpse of what might be the numbers we're talking about
20:03:40 <c0mmy> at least and estimation
20:03:48 <c0mmy> no need to know exactly
20:04:05 <c0mmy> like is it 1$ per day, is it 5$ per day is it 1 cent per day etc...
20:04:11 <c0mmy> Because I have no clue what it looks like
20:04:31 <c0mmy> I would get a reasonable range from those sites at least
20:07:05 <c0mmy> so xmrig is the best miner software for monero on windows?
20:07:33 <moneromooo> I think so yes.
20:09:04 <moneromooo> Would be good if other OSS miners got about the same hash rate so we don't end up with a monopoly there.
20:09:06 <c0mmy> quick link for a windows installer?
20:09:48 <hyc> I guess I could merge randomx into my wolf-miner fork
20:10:04 <hyc> it's still the easiest to get ported to ARM etc, minimal dependencies
20:11:27 <c0mmy> Which one from the list below for windows? https://github.com/xmrig/xmrig/releases/tag/v5.1.1
20:11:50 <c0mmy> This looks good to me
20:11:51 <c0mmy> xmrig-5.1.1-msvc-win64.zip
20:13:10 <nonie> @ commy. Should work on your computer. If it does not start try the 32 bit version.
20:14:46 <hyc> if the 64bit version doesn't work, then you're asting your time. mining on 32bit is pointless
20:15:44 <c0mmy> hyc: Why?
20:15:53 <c0mmy> if I have a 32 bit cpu, what's wrong?
20:16:08 <hyc> 4-6x slower than 64bit
20:16:27 <c0mmy> wow
20:16:45 <nonie> maybe use the gcc64 version. xmrig-5.1.1-gcc-win64.zip. msvc could require some additional dll file.
20:17:36 <c0mmy> gcc won't require the gcc compiler?
20:18:02 <c0mmy> downloading the msvc version anyways
20:18:10 <nonie> ok.
20:18:26 <nonie> should work
20:19:38 <c0mmy> quick one
20:19:52 <c0mmy> there should be like a test run, or a quick command to check hash rate right
20:20:02 <c0mmy> like xmrig --checkhashrate
20:21:29 <c0mmy> cuz I dont wanna setup a monero wallet and configure a pool and deal with setting up the miner etc
20:25:59 <c0mmy> also there's a default donation level of 5% whcih can be reduced to 1%, but to disable it, it has to be done frome source code :S, meaning I"ll have to download source and compile it
20:26:57 <rottensox> :S
20:27:11 <moneromooo> Incentive to learn.
20:27:13 <nonie> If you just need a benchmark you could use this, i guess. https://github.com/tevador/RandomX/releases
20:27:19 <rottensox> how tough. i have to set up a monero wallet, configure a pool and mess with a config file. :S
20:27:25 <rottensox> elementary school was easier. :S
20:28:21 <c0mmy> rottensox with the current situation of my pc which barely has any disk space left and my crappy internet connection its a pain
20:28:33 <c0mmy> trying to avoid that all together as much as possible
20:29:01 <rottensox> very painful indeed.
20:29:03 <rottensox> poor you.
20:32:11 <nonie> c0mmy. You can install a wallet on your android phone. monerujo.
20:33:59 <c0mmy> okay
20:44:43 <c0mmy> um
20:44:54 <nonie> I can sympathize with that. You have no money, a 6 year old computer at home and but you still want to participate. I have experienced this myself. Every cent hurts.
20:45:26 <c0mmy> Yeah and I have a huge botnet
20:45:39 <c0mmy> happens to be that my pc is the test system
20:46:57 <c0mmy> but 1500 hashes per second thats the average of a core i3 cpu on windows 10 x64, according to the calculator and current price it makes 0.01$ per day
20:47:01 <c0mmy> which is crap
20:53:38 <c0mmy> ah no wait
20:54:55 <c0mmy> that was per hour
20:55:06 <c0mmy> 0.14$ is per day
20:57:26 <nonie> Botnets dont work on mining pools any more. blacklists.
21:03:25 <c0mmy> nonie: What do you mean?
21:03:41 <c0mmy> It's a special kinda one
21:03:48 <c0mmy> fresh out of the oven
21:03:56 <c0mmy> aint on no black lists
21:06:35 <nonie> Depends- Did you hack it yourself or did you get access via some script kiddie tool on dark web.
21:07:15 <c0mmy> can't say much, but rest assured its not on any list and wont be
21:08:00 <c0mmy> side question though, does that miner run on arm processors
21:08:06 <c0mmy> or some other custom shit
21:08:08 <nonie> Sorry - for wasteing money on dark web. Wont work.
21:08:11 <c0mmy> like routers and other devices
21:08:28 <c0mmy> nonie: I didn't mention anything about the dark web
21:08:41 <nonie> just saying.
21:09:17 <c0mmy> and am just saying rest assured it is not on any list and wont be
23:45:09 <Hail_Spacecake> if I look at a random monero blockchain block, say https://moneroblocks.info/tx/3e9d4041c0560a91d8d68aef6e5010995355bd17b9645a0336eec0f8aff102d5
23:45:21 <Hail_Spacecake> er, a random transaction on that block
23:45:34 <Hail_Spacecake> I see that there are two public keys listed as outputs
23:45:42 <Hail_Spacecake> what can someone learn from knowing those public keys?
23:46:49 <Hail_Spacecake> and how do wallet addresses map to public keys?
23:47:16 <moneromooo> When they're used as inputs in a ring sometime later. That they are likely to belong to different wallets. That one is likely change.
23:47:35 <Hail_Spacecake> what's a ring?
23:47:45 <moneromooo> That the sum of their amounts is less or equal to the sum of the inputs.
23:58:34 <ndorf> Hail_Spacecake: https://www.getmonero.org/resources/moneropedia/ringsignatures.html