00:11:15 sharing my build fRee, be fRee project: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5208039 00:59:01 are there any random-algorithm crypto currencies yet? 00:59:19 like each block gets determined by a random algorithm 01:04:42 Yes, this one 01:05:02 RandomX is pretty random 02:15:29 mooo, your monoero update not compiling on windoze 02:20:36 OK. Feel free to PR a fix if you have one. 02:28:21 whats the deps for windoze 02:28:27 outside monero deps 02:30:28 qt5, gpgme 02:31:45 yea I suppose it needed gui deps since it builds that.. 02:34:49 oof, i'll come back to this in an hour when its done DL all the updates for msys 02:37:55 hey guys, is there a way to send to multiple addresses in one transaction in the gui? I think I've asked this before and was asking about it theoretically (which I think was said can be done CLI) but didn't know if it could be done in the GUI? 02:38:24 poking around on the GUI ... it doesn't seem like it 03:35:50 annnnnnnd forgot QT5 so... see you in another hour 05:06:21 xmr.to empty? 05:06:37 Operation Limit 05:06:40 seems like i guess 05:08:20 haxx0r :) 05:08:26 wohoo 05:08:29 How're you doing? 05:08:42 need BTC 05:08:45 xmr.to empty :( 05:08:49 hmm yea cxx not finding path on msys for monero-builder 05:08:54 how much? 05:09:13 xmr.to empty cuz they all moving to aeon.to 05:09:24 yah fuck no 05:09:29 lol 05:09:32 need 0.4449 BTC 05:09:35 not ryo.to ? 05:09:39 lol 05:09:49 btc.to 05:09:51 oooh... too much for me haxx0r. Can't help you there. 05:12:08 so i need swap on bittrex 05:12:09 ok 05:12:44 u need to use Bisq 05:12:49 thats what you need to do 06:58:10 Bisq ++1 07:56:27 hello 07:56:59 what are the privacy benefits of monero that bitcoin doesn't have? 08:05:01 carlino3: it makes the transactions harder to track 08:05:07 carlino3: ringct, stealth addresses, confidential transactions. bulletproofs. 08:05:21 louipc i undestand that. but how? 08:05:27 carlino3: ringct, stealth addresses, confidential transactions. bulletproofs. 08:05:39 read the whitepapers 08:05:52 sender address, receiver address, balances are concealed. 08:06:30 carlino3: 1 XMR = 1 XMR no matter what past the coins may have had. 08:06:48 whereas 1 BTC = 1 BTC* 08:06:48 *: Certain conditions apply. 08:07:00 Imagine giving someone a dollar 08:07:13 the dollar analogy does not compute here quite well. 08:07:14 You'd also have to tell them everywhere that dollar has been, if it was bitcoin 08:07:27 yes 08:07:30 cash has serials. central banks can trace cash. 08:07:39 dollar dollar bills can be marked 08:08:21 so does bitcoin... 08:08:24 and it can be traced 08:08:32 ok. 08:09:04 So if you gave someone a dollar 08:09:17 You'd also have to tell them everywhere that dollar has been, if it was bitcoin 08:10:03 But I guess that doesn't compute 08:10:29 what analogy are you gonna come up with for monero, sir? oyntgkuapzhbyzr[ 08:10:43 analogies suck usually 08:11:05 Wasn't planning on coming up with an analogy for monero 08:11:12 ok. 08:11:22 but the guy that you gave him the dollar saw your face 08:11:35 you could wear a mask 08:11:40 skimask 08:11:45 or stab his eyes 08:11:46 probably wouldn't work 08:11:59 today's cities are filled up with cameras 08:12:41 what about the underground sewer network 08:13:24 or bitcoin is http 08:13:24 and monero is https 08:13:32 nononono 08:14:58 oyntgkuapzhbyzr[: well, HTTPS works by protecting the data, but also to identify servers 08:15:22 only if you are using a CA 08:15:26 analogies are bad 08:15:41 for who? 08:15:51 for everyone 08:16:14 Well not everyone is using Monero yet 08:16:17 Which is also bad for everyone 08:16:40 misrepresenting how things actually work is bad for everyone 08:16:53 True 08:16:58 But they need a bridge to something more secure 08:17:12 and they're not just going to "read a whitepaper" 08:18:28 Especially one that changes every 6 months 08:19:21 never tried monero. but i'm interested in its focus on privacy 08:20:39 all i'll say that bitcoin and monero are nothing like http nor https. theres lots of resources to help you understand 08:21:22 A ton of resources, agreed 08:21:32 a fuckton 08:21:40 all i have heard is that the monero blockchain is encrypted 08:21:52 an ever evolving tome 08:23:24 Now lets get all 7 billion of us to read it all 08:27:21 If you had a chance to explain someone in 2 sentences how Monero will help them, whats your approach? 08:29:19 You can't just throw the whole book at people 08:30:16 gotta get them thinking its important for them 08:31:57 its different for everyone 08:33:57 Well I came in with the http and https analogy 08:35:15 I understood its not http and https, but the cryptocurrency equivalent 08:35:31 but its not at all 08:35:39 completely misleading analogy 08:35:40 Im here now 08:35:47 Literally in this channel 08:35:51 with a wallet full of coin 08:35:57 that is spent and received 08:36:05 because of that nnalogy 08:36:16 is all I'm saying 08:37:52 monero is a digital currency that is expressly designed to protect its users privacy (whereas bitcoin is not). 08:38:10 thats something anyone can understand 08:38:18 and does not misrepresent 08:40:51 I wish more people cared about their privacy 08:41:06 true 08:41:20 "common" people doesn't give a s* about their privacy 08:41:31 Why don't they? 08:41:46 Anyone can understand 08:42:22 i think because they don't understand the risks of being an internet user 08:42:28 We'll just have to keep throwing the book at people on how their privacy is being violated i guess 08:42:59 they won't listen. 08:44:27 first get them off facebook 08:44:40 Tried 08:45:02 most of people doesn't even know the amount of information that they gave to these companies 08:45:32 or they don't care, becuase 'i have nothing to hide' 08:46:07 and of course, they never read the terms and privacy policies of these services 08:47:51 oh well. move on then 08:48:50 what else can we do? 08:49:53 Its not for everyone tbh 08:50:19 oyntgkuapzhbyzr[ what thing? 08:50:33 Even getting them off of facebook, they'll need new content 08:50:48 i don't use social networks and my phone isn't smart 08:50:48 Facebook is a constant stream of content, and content they like and are used to 08:52:26 just dont use those services. at least dont post anything 08:54:28 people today cannot live without those services 08:54:32 at least young people 08:54:40 Yea 08:54:49 Life without facebook is http 08:54:49 Life with facebook is https 08:55:15 dude you know facebook serves over https 08:55:19 ? 08:55:24 whooosh 08:55:24 didn't understood the comparision 08:55:42 google is a company that's pushing https and delisting sites that dont have https 08:55:51 stop with the shit analogies 08:56:03 You're no fun 08:56:06 and thats the issue 08:56:37 there is a lot of entertainment factor when it comes to those services 08:57:42 Getting people off of those services ends their entertainment. They get bored 08:58:01 Unless they find someone to fill that spot, they just sign back up anyway 08:58:14 Someone or somethin 08:59:52 so as far as the fun factor:life without facebook 08:59:57 http 08:59:59 life with facebook 09:00:00 https 09:00:19 its better 09:01:20 life without facebook is like an elephants tail 09:01:29 life with facebook is like an elephants trunk 09:01:50 analogies are like an elephants anus full of shit 09:02:10 oyntgkuapzhbyzr[ actually it is the opposite 09:03:28 people thinks that is entertaining, but they loose a lot of time looking at his phones watching crap on social networks 09:03:47 I understand 09:04:10 But after a while, they follow certain personalities and become a part of that community 09:04:25 Uprooting that is tough 09:04:56 Its a tradeoff that you have to convince someone to take. Entertainment for privacy 09:05:15 You have to explain to them why their privacy is more important than their source of entertainment 09:05:44 entertainment brings laughter, joy, sharing, and community 09:06:14 or maybe the opposite, but some people like that stuff too 09:06:23 the last 3 are built on personal connections. not entertainment 09:06:36 right 09:06:51 Like and subscribe 09:07:14 social networks are a serious issue, not only talking about privacy. 09:07:58 they are also a big marketing tool 09:08:13 'like comment and subscribe to win free stuff' 09:08:24 of course, that is the worst 09:10:45 social tho 09:12:28 nah 09:12:49 You might have better luck if you were to have the big time content creators move to a platform that respects privacy 09:12:52 its inevitable if you decentralize entertainment and the revenue model then you will get more sponsorships and that kind of junk 09:13:44 i don't think that decentralization will help, talking about privacy 09:14:23 it will help against getting shut down, censored, defunded, etc 09:14:34 that will prevent those companies from making money from the user's data 09:14:39 not the user's stupidity 09:14:47 right 09:14:49 "hey we are eating a pizza, lets share it on facebook" 09:14:59 "hey i'm now working at xxxxx" 09:15:10 humans... 09:15:14 you still have to use it wisely 09:17:17 Still, monero only works in a capitalist society 09:17:33 why 09:17:36 and aren't we at the end of days when it comes to capitalism? 09:17:38 why? 09:17:57 Because its a means of exchange 09:18:04 there's always a capitalist market in any society 09:18:19 There is today 09:18:33 capitalism sucks 09:18:40 there's always going to be a black market 09:19:07 where you can get what you want at the right price 09:19:08 In a capitalist society, yes 09:19:13 in any society man 09:19:56 Only in societies that have a means of exchange 09:21:55 you gonna have to lock everyone up in a cell to eliminate all means of exchange 09:22:10 Probably going to have to murder some billionaires, yes 09:22:43 and even then there will be people who evade 09:22:51 things will be exchanged 09:23:28 Yes, but a means of exchange is the issue 09:23:32 Because someone can hog all the means 09:23:59 like those fancy billionaires 09:25:07 prison bosses will trade with each other, trade with guards who will trade with prisoners 09:25:25 i don't think so 09:25:28 rules never stopped anyone from doing what they want if they really wanted 09:25:30 we need a mean of exchange 09:25:44 Not if everything you need is provided to you 09:25:52 provided from who? 09:26:00 From your community 09:26:28 sounds nice 09:26:38 but comunism doens't work 09:26:54 lol 09:27:01 It doesn't work when capitalism is introduced 09:27:21 capitalism will always exist 09:27:27 it doesnt need to be introduced 09:27:32 and it will always be bad 09:27:36 it exists inherently in human psyche 09:27:37 it will always exploit you 09:27:47 because people will always want more than they 'need' 09:28:03 advancement is a compulsion of humanity 09:28:06 you can't expect all the people to work in an equitably way 09:28:07 it finds a way to mass produce items at the cheapest price possible 09:28:13 if we didnt advance we would still be in the stone age 09:28:16 You don't even need all that shit that is produced 09:28:18 or extinct 09:28:43 communism completely ignores individual human desire for advancement 09:28:50 Then its time to advance out of caplistalism 09:28:52 stupid idea 09:29:04 We are so advanced 09:29:09 But look at what it cost 09:29:17 society sucks 09:29:23 doesnt matter. ppl want more and more 09:29:28 it will not stop 09:29:29 We literally have trash/rubbish islands in the ocean 09:29:52 oyntgkuapzhbyzr[ it depends on what do you mean by advanced 09:30:19 We need to advance our society, not technology 09:30:25 Pause tech 09:30:42 that is not gonna happen 09:30:55 So imagine if it doesn't happen 09:31:03 within, lets say, the next 8 years 09:31:21 and we fuck up the earth so bad that the damage is irreversible 09:31:34 and it just exponentially gets worse every year because of it 09:31:48 who cares? all that people want is money 09:32:35 and to be entertained 09:33:42 They're definitely not out there cleaning the ocean/beaches 09:33:54 lol go clean the ocean then 09:34:09 I clean my local river occassionally 09:34:25 I dont live near the ocean unfortunately 09:36:18 i think given a 100 million or billlion years the earth will have developed plastic-based life forms 09:36:30 so no problems 09:36:49 Imagine trying to convince someone that global warming is irreversible after 8 years 09:37:01 you know if there was no life on earth there would be no oil or plastic either 09:37:25 why would anyone try to do that 09:37:35 Its already in a lot of the water on earth 09:37:44 Its breaks down microscopically 09:37:49 a lot of us drink it 09:37:56 It changes our hormones a lot 09:38:09 its all part of nature, evolution 09:38:32 I guess so is using facebook 09:38:38 and using bitcoin instead of monero 09:38:50 and raping 09:39:00 PLAYER 4 HAS ENTERED THE GAME 09:39:14 bored of you stuck in the mud niggas 09:39:20 justifying everything because youve been made to feel defensive 09:39:42 come vegan 09:39:44 yawn 09:39:47 I am vegan 09:41:31 back to topic: is exchanging btc to monero and then back to btc a good way to improve privacy on bitcoin transactions? 09:42:57 how do you do that 09:44:06 in an exchange that doesn't ask for personal information 09:45:44 maybe. but then you dont need to use monero at all 09:46:17 you can use dogecoin even 09:47:05 i understand your point 11:36:40 I would do a btc=>exchange=>xmr=>withdraw=>exchange=>btc=>withdraw cause otherwise you depends of the exchange implementation 11:37:09 thats s****y anyway ... 11:37:58 or bisq is made for that right ? 11:38:41 lol just use monero 11:41:24 exactly 12:52:04 Hey 19:12:55 This might be a stupid question but I have monero wallet gui on my Windows PC. How could I get that wallet to my Android phone? 19:15:45 Your recoveryphrase 19:28:38 Ok I see 19:28:50 What app is safest? 19:29:20 Monerujo for Android and Cake Wallet for iOS are the normal recommended ones 19:29:29 Have used both and both are great 19:34:47 Ok thank you very much both of you! 20:27:53 One question 20:28:15 Im making a view only wallet 20:28:36 Should I use public view key or secret view key? 20:29:21 You give the view wallet both. 20:29:33 The secret spend key stays in the full wallet though. 20:30:08 Im trying to get my wallet opened on Monerujo app 20:30:10 If it asks for only one, it's the secret key (the public one can be derived from it) 20:30:18 And its obly asking for one view key 20:30:21 Which one to use? 20:30:28 Okey I see 20:30:39 Thanks 20:40:37 Ok got it working 22:14:03 Hello again 22:14:23 I opened my Wallet GUI and get this error from monerod cmd window 22:14:25 "peer claims higher version that we think (60 for 1992456 instead of 12) - we may be forked from the network and a software upgrade may be needed" 22:15:00 I upgraded to 0.15.0.1 Carbon Chamaeleon few days ago so what could be wrong? 22:15:40 You can ignore. Nothing wrong. 22:15:50 Okey thanks :)