<[discord] Kayla#5718>: how do you get that total miners number?

<[discord] Kayla#5718>: cause like there is solomining, pools and private pools so would guess cant really get that numbers straight up from the network

<[discord] Kayla#5718>: like.....

<[discord] Kayla#5718>: if for example having my full node mining then the other rigs doing `--add-exclusive-node=Local_IPV4-onThatLocalFullNode` meaning those other rigs wouldnt be seen by the outside world xmr network, like, how to count those rigs in the "total miners" number?

<[discord] Kayla#5718>: @gingeropolous

kayla, its just the number reported on top of miningpoolstats.stream/monero

<[discord] Kayla#5718>: oh gotcha, thanks

its not perfect, and im too lazy to make a scraper that records that number in a database somewhere...

so im just using IRC logs to track it over time

<[discord] Kayla#5718>: well thanks for doing that, thats a nice indicator on how the network doing ❤️

just from eyeballing it, it seems there's a definite swing pattern with the price

i mean, that makes sense. But it indicates there's unused processing power thats being switched over

so it must be doing something else profitable on the times its not profitable

though if its true organic use, thats not true

<[discord] Kayla#5718>: idk how to interpret those numbers, am sure there might be some logic behind it somewhere but that a tough one specially when there is some missing numbers hidden somewhere in there that could help understanding better some patterns

<[discord] Kayla#5718>: @Hooftly something to keep in mind for your tensorflow analysis thingy maybe 😛

whose doing a tensor flow analysis of what now?

<[discord] Kayla#5718>: he still on the learning process to make that thingy but it'll be to analyse price compared to nethash evolutions on some coins like ETH and XMR, when known asics became public with also approximate date for when they where known to be private already and such, gonna take awhile i guess 😛

oh nice

thingy lol

ultimately maybe to detect divergences from the model to warn of ASIC intrusion?

<[discord] Kayla#5718>: which btw, so far nethash on xmr down to 1.1GH/s which past few weeks were around 1.2, like in few months been stable between 1.1 and 1.3 so that bithull fpga randomx very very most likely scam, they say deliver in a week and wend public just few days ago, keeping an eye on that nethash but yeah most likely scam

well the fact that they only take crypto is telling enough for me

<[discord] Kayla#5718>: maybe, idk, have to ask him but numbers and patterns always fun to learn from 🙂

<[discord] Kayla#5718>: true x)

yeah, i mean the data's all there. first ingredient of machine learning is clear clean data

well any analysis i guess

i wonder how you'll code up the last sneaky one.

<[discord] Kayla#5718>: pattern recognition is what its all about yea ❤️

or did sech1 confirm asics?

<[discord] Kayla#5718>: not finding any reference to that, looks like a wait and see situation :3

u know what im referring to though, right? the notion that CnR may have seen FPGAs but not ASICs?

i have a feeling i remember reading somewhere that wasn't the case

<[discord] Kayla#5718>: oh that i have no idea, remembering when a private pool got over 50% of the nethash and thats where the algo change had to happen quickly to avoid those 51% and such but that aside, if it were believed to be FPGAs and not ASICs i have no idea

it would probably be useful to document the history of the monero PoW battle

using one of those overly flashy websites with timelines and zooming and clicking on things

<[discord] Kayla#5718>: definitely, got many pow changes overtime, interesting history for sure 😄

hrm, there's probably some plugin for something or other i could make happen

there's prolly other useful data kayla... vertcoin has been asic'd multiple times i think

<[discord] Kayla#5718>: github.com/monero-project/monero#scheduled-software-upgrades

<[discord] Kayla#5718>: and then its all in the discussions that happened

<[discord] Kayla#5718>: idk much about vertcoin, but proposed hooft to also add ravencoin in his data, there's been a few algo changes as well and fpga every time were soooo soo fast to be ready after the forks

<[discord] Kayla#5718>: and lots of rumored asics after few months

ravencoin has decided to adopt progpow

will be interesting to see how long that lasts

Are they the first?

<[discord] Kayla#5718>: eth maybe too? rvn changing the params of progpow calling it "kawpow" (cause ya know, kaw is like the sound ravens doin)

but *when* is ETH going to it? Isn't it still controversial?

some mETH twitter people even made a petition to block it :D

Ravencoin seems like a decent test case, having been asic'ed multiple times.

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i like pseudonymous people signing things

its like "hey! Look! Its sockpuppets!"