04:47:30 <[discord] Kayla#5718>: how do you get that total miners number? 04:47:30 <[discord] Kayla#5718>: cause like there is solomining, pools and private pools so would guess cant really get that numbers straight up from the network 04:47:32 <[discord] Kayla#5718>: like..... 04:47:33 <[discord] Kayla#5718>: if for example having my full node mining then the other rigs doing `--add-exclusive-node=Local_IPV4-onThatLocalFullNode` meaning those other rigs wouldnt be seen by the outside world xmr network, like, how to count those rigs in the "total miners" number? 04:47:42 <[discord] Kayla#5718>: @gingeropolous 04:48:04 kayla, its just the number reported on top of https://miningpoolstats.stream/monero 04:48:16 <[discord] Kayla#5718>: oh gotcha, thanks 04:48:20 its not perfect, and im too lazy to make a scraper that records that number in a database somewhere... 04:48:27 so im just using IRC logs to track it over time 04:49:01 <[discord] Kayla#5718>: well thanks for doing that, thats a nice indicator on how the network doing ❤️ 04:49:30 just from eyeballing it, it seems there's a definite swing pattern with the price 04:49:49 i mean, that makes sense. But it indicates there's unused processing power thats being switched over 04:50:02 so it must be doing something else profitable on the times its not profitable 04:50:16 though if its true organic use, thats not true 04:54:51 <[discord] Kayla#5718>: idk how to interpret those numbers, am sure there might be some logic behind it somewhere but that a tough one specially when there is some missing numbers hidden somewhere in there that could help understanding better some patterns 04:54:52 <[discord] Kayla#5718>: @Hooftly something to keep in mind for your tensorflow analysis thingy maybe 😛 04:55:21 whose doing a tensor flow analysis of what now? 04:56:57 <[discord] Kayla#5718>: he still on the learning process to make that thingy but it'll be to analyse price compared to nethash evolutions on some coins like ETH and XMR, when known asics became public with also approximate date for when they where known to be private already and such, gonna take awhile i guess 😛 04:59:34 oh nice 04:59:57 thingy lol 05:00:13 ultimately maybe to detect divergences from the model to warn of ASIC intrusion? 05:00:24 <[discord] Kayla#5718>: which btw, so far nethash on xmr down to 1.1GH/s which past few weeks were around 1.2, like in few months been stable between 1.1 and 1.3 so that bithull fpga randomx very very most likely scam, they say deliver in a week and wend public just few days ago, keeping an eye on that nethash but yeah most likely scam 05:01:04 well the fact that they only take crypto is telling enough for me 05:01:26 <[discord] Kayla#5718>: maybe, idk, have to ask him but numbers and patterns always fun to learn from 🙂 05:01:31 <[discord] Kayla#5718>: true x) 05:01:58 yeah, i mean the data's all there. first ingredient of machine learning is clear clean data 05:02:07 well any analysis i guess 05:02:24 i wonder how you'll code up the last sneaky one. 05:02:27 <[discord] Kayla#5718>: pattern recognition is what its all about yea ❤️ 05:02:32 or did sech1 confirm asics? 05:05:42 <[discord] Kayla#5718>: not finding any reference to that, looks like a wait and see situation :3 05:06:29 u know what im referring to though, right? the notion that CnR may have seen FPGAs but not ASICs? 05:06:39 i have a feeling i remember reading somewhere that wasn't the case 05:11:27 <[discord] Kayla#5718>: oh that i have no idea, remembering when a private pool got over 50% of the nethash and thats where the algo change had to happen quickly to avoid those 51% and such but that aside, if it were believed to be FPGAs and not ASICs i have no idea 05:12:44 it would probably be useful to document the history of the monero PoW battle 05:13:10 using one of those overly flashy websites with timelines and zooming and clicking on things 05:13:21 <[discord] Kayla#5718>: definitely, got many pow changes overtime, interesting history for sure 😄 05:13:50 hrm, there's probably some plugin for something or other i could make happen 05:17:42 there's prolly other useful data kayla... vertcoin has been asic'd multiple times i think 05:17:49 <[discord] Kayla#5718>: https://github.com/monero-project/monero#scheduled-software-upgrades 05:17:50 <[discord] Kayla#5718>: and then its all in the discussions that happened 05:19:21 <[discord] Kayla#5718>: idk much about vertcoin, but proposed hooft to also add ravencoin in his data, there's been a few algo changes as well and fpga every time were soooo soo fast to be ready after the forks 05:20:29 <[discord] Kayla#5718>: and lots of rumored asics after few months 05:41:42 ravencoin has decided to adopt progpow 05:41:50 will be interesting to see how long that lasts 12:28:14 Are they the first? 12:43:34 <[discord] Kayla#5718>: eth maybe too? rvn changing the params of progpow calling it "kawpow" (cause ya know, kaw is like the sound ravens doin) 12:51:13 but *when* is ETH going to it? Isn't it still controversial? 12:56:27 some mETH twitter people even made a petition to block it :D 12:57:02 Ravencoin seems like a decent test case, having been asic'ed multiple times. 13:21:05 .usd 13:21:05 .btc 13:21:07 .network 13:22:20 https://github.com/MidnightOnMars/EIPs/blob/master/EIPS/eip-2538.md 14:24:50 i like pseudonymous people signing things 14:25:23 its like "hey! Look! Its sockpuppets!"