seems like I was level headed enough for you when we actually worked together. but now that we have different opinions, I'm not. OK.

<xmrhaelan> Making a business out of the title “Monero Community” is not very ideal. I am all for businesses forming to support the Monero community, but when the business itself is called the Monero Community (Workgroup) that is not very good optics and may cause quite a bit of confusion and frustration.

will we see a return of xeagu?

🍿

this was already discussed haelan

the name is up for change

<xmrhaelan> 👍

kinghat: Funny that

(Came back online Jul 26)

thats and interesting comeback

were there ppl trying to impersonate xeagu?

Not that I'm aware of, but it's been a long time. The only trolls that were countertrolled w/ people impersonating (allegedly, could have been a false flag op for all I care) was thethrowaway21

There may have been others, I fortunately don't see trolls too much

xmrhaelan: the company name will be different, absolutely

<cankerwort> That's some meaty drama over the idea of setting up an LLC to pay for hosting costs

<cankerwort> If y'all put the CoC in the bylaws people's heads will explode

how is the hosting costs paid for atm?

<cankerwort> Out of pocket by individuals from what I gather

<cankerwort> All sounds sensible to me, it isn't more centralised to have an LLC control these resources rather than individuals.

🤷‍♂️ dont know hows its currently handled

* 🤷‍♂️ dont know how its currently handled

<xmrmatterbridge "<cankerwort> All sounds sensible"> Well said, definitely agree here.

<cankerwort> Some of the drama and tangential conversations of hypotheticals may seem overblown, but skepticism to the point of irrational paranoia is what makes Monero great

It’s certainly a common theme in serious discussions around here 😅

Which is not a bad thing.

As long as we can get into the details and have strong and reasonable discussions.

but corporations are centralization! /s

I wouldn’t want a corp for monero dev

There isn’t one needed there since Core handles infra/costs/etc AFAIK

separation of church and state

we already did that

👀

What do you mean?

church of monero shit

Oh that

Lol

the clergy can take many forms

I want to forget

<cankerwort> Vintage drama

That was a “yikes” time

Glad that’s behind us

vintage drama is great to make fun of now

I will say, I actually just recently participated in their 100th mass.

They made it nearly two years

thought I'd give them a little credit

I participated in their first

then noped out

<sethsimmons "There isn’t one needed there sin"> if core handles this why is there a community need for incorporation?

Core can’t/shouldn’t handle it for every community group that springs up

IMO

what is core handling for the community group?

Nothing AFAIK

<cankerwort> Core just wants to deal with the core functions of being a FLOSS project from what I can tell

Thus the proposal 🙂

wat?

FLOSS 😂

well, Mattermost is one example

we use that

Should just use Matrix/Element 😉

who uses mattermost? isnt mattermost free?

they host it lol

costs $$$

Zcash stopped hosting their similar Rocket Chat lol. made no sense

this is the official coms of core?

it's an official service of sorts

never heard of anyone here using mattermost

<cankerwort> Ahem

many people do

i have it installed on my phone but never used it.

what do you think people speaking over xmrmatterbridge are doing?

<cankerwort> tbf most people think that is a username

didnt realize that was an official bridge from an official server

I mean it's all unofficial

But it's unofficially official

just as official as it gets tho

<xmrhaelan> Was the issue of claiming ownership of public commons like #monero-community also already addressed?

the person in core doesnt want to host it anymore?

Xmrhaelan: that's under the service category

Specifically, moderation of community meetings and moderators in general

basically this workgroup moderates, though if we fuck up, Core takes over

defcon videos are bing posted btw

<xmrhaelan> Sgp is that in the bylaws?

No, that's freenode

<xmrhaelan> Ahh I see

Freenode gives Core authority to take over any #monero- room

By nature of the platform

if anything it's in Core's equivalent of bylaws

And core has basically let us run it unless we mess up

man i hope theres something more substantial in the draft than an already hosted mattermost server.

<xmrhaelan> You guys should probably break out that table to distinguish between what you perceive as an Asset of the organization and a Service you plan on supporting. As it reads now makes it appear a business is claiming ownership

Yeah absolutely need more clarity there

I put together the memes for the competition Friday :)

I have a streamlined process for making them and downloading them, but I also need to trust people not to cheat lol

needmoney90: no legal structure, just a loose collective

Thank you

we have setup a company, the Monero Distribution Company, for the purpose of getting an Apple Dev account and notarising binaries

will likely use it to notarise Windows bins as well

what entity has contact with freenode? Is it loosely core, so you/BF/moo?

no entity - we had to fill in paperwork and list project contacts

ah, I see

fluffypony: is there a CoC for core, a set of bylaws, or some governance document that you all signed up to with blood?

midipoet: nope

we didn't even know each other when we forked Bitmonero -> Monero

so we're bound by historicity I guess

basically lucked out ...

pretty much

and given where Monero is now it's hard to expand that circle, as a state-grade attacker can afford to play the long game

but they can't go back in time

hello, youngpony. maybe in 4 or 5 years you could give me some responsibilities for this new monero thing? looking after the release binaries perhaps?

lol

Defcon: The Monero Village (and Defcon in general) is opening at 9:00 UTC-7, in a few hours.

Whoever is interested can read about it on:

Defcon and the Monero Village is opening in a half hour (6-9 August 2020.) defcon.org

It's at 9:00 UTC-7 (Las Vegas timezone) for those who are curious.

msvb-web - The link is broken on the page: monerovillage.org/dc28/schedule doesn't exist/fails.

rehrar: ^

they used a different url format that broke it

monerovillage.org/#schedule Appears to be the proper one. Someone w/ access to the apache serv can just redirect it I'm sure.

went down to 1 page

Argh! This fell through the cracks yesterday.

it's honestly easiest just to make that page

I'm manning the defcon village now. I say 'manning' because some villages are already getting some traffic, I think? It's what I'm seeing anyways.

xmrscott[m] Snipa fluffypony binaryFate ArticMine dsc_ gingeropolous intj440 hyc Isthmus M5M400 sarang UkoeHB_ vtnerd wowario[m]: We are having a Monero Meme competition Friday at 6pm ET. Please indicate if you can participate!

Neg, that's work hours.

<sgp_ "xmrscott Snipa fluffypony binary"> 😢 I am the unchosen one

From the community lead to forgotten in a week

"sgp_" (matrix.to/#/@freenode_sgp_:matrix.org): Yes, I plan to be avail

Will there be any guidance around what constitutes an appropriate meme?

sethsimmons: you are obviously invited :)

Isthmus: one sec, let me pull the rules from the last one

Oh how the mighty have fallen 😂

What does this competition entail, sgp_? If I’m allowed to join

you will be given the same template to compete on

.c 6pm ET to CEST

+6 right?

Isthmus: usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/mpEtlKM1/moneroversary_meme_rules

-4 atm I think.

I'm -7 and they're 3 hours ahead of me.

I'm drunk. don't conduse me

*f

sgp_: help

22 UTC

6pm ET?

<3

M5M400: 00:00 midnight

<3<3

Looks fun :D

RXboost4++ meme

the main change from the last one is that the memes and templates will be in a shared folder to streamline. I'm trusting the participants more

"sgp_" (matrix.to/#/@freenode_sgp_:matrix.org): Yes, I plan to be avail

ty for invite, however I will be asleep!

Isthmus: just list all the possible spellings of monero, that shouldn't take more than a few weeks

someone also invite localmonero

dsc_: can you join?

niocbrrrrrr: can you join?

I have no electricity or Internet

No idea when it's coming back

like as a temp outage thing or a prolonged thing?

From storm damage it was supposed to be on today but they haven't even started fixing it

:(

Ophf, that sucks

sgp_: yes ill try to join

dsc_: amazing :)

no WOW crap :p

never heard of it

Lol

noice

rehrar: Hak5 finally turned on the badge listing, and are including the device in their 5 year anniversary sale I guess.

6 pm nope sgp_

:(

im tellin yah, a beer hour would be better. 11 PM friday night, 2 drink minimum

FYI because I know there's a few OnePlus users out there (I'm still rocking my OnePlus5 while waiting for my PinePhone to ship): twitter.com/AndroidPolice/status/1290942005883748353

hmmm

tldr 8 and Nord have Facebook spyware that can't be removed

anyone wanna buy oneplus6?

my last OPO was the 3T

FB apps absolutely destroy phone batteries

sgp_: y yuo no samsung?

I am now, S20+

keepin' it real. nice

this is actually my first ever Samsung phone

lol

lol indeed

i feel this is the time to tell the nick's origin story

actually I take that back, I had a slide Samsung phone of some type in high school

sgp_ hates his name btw :D

s20+ - 1000 usd phone?

he's poor, give him a break

idk my family bought 2 and there was a dumb deal. would not have gotten it otherwise

I actually haven't paid for this lol, gotta leech off parents a bit longer :p

sgp_: let's both change nick. we both hate ours it seems

yes mine sucks

joining the name sucks club

M5M400 sgp_

I didnt even come up with my username :D

was a shared runescape account that got given to me :p

so long ago I cant remember

Nice

cant tell you how many people think I was born in '90

I'd just rebrand to diegosalazar

if I could

Probably the person that gave it to you was though I would imagine

nope, we were in the same grade

which in the US is age based

rehrar: You can

Do it

Just rebrand to DieSal

like diesel

and have a fat truck as your profile picture

Oh yes, make a Carsona. Would be hilarious

I just learned a word today that I really wish I didnt know

thanks for that scott

Diego Saladbar

You're welcome. I thank swiftOnSecurity for informing me there are Planesonas. At this point I just assume there are people who apply 'sona to everything

sonasona

I am happy with nioc

plz become Mr. Saladbar

Planesona lmao

Anyone like Glass Animals? New album drops tomorrow

are they anything like dying fetus?

kinghat[m]: yes almost exactly the same

im in

Wow, those intel leaks are juicy

What leaks?

is there a monero channel on the defcon discord server?

lol "intel123". such secure!

Oh the stories I wish I could tell

lol

kinghat: Yes, but it opens tomorrow like some of the others and competitive events

So it's hidden but to a select few for now

sgp_: I cannot make the meme thing, sorry. Looking forward to see results :)

:(