00:13:26 <geonic> https://youtu.be/qr9YlCaPjMk?t=598
00:13:50 <geonic> seems like I was level headed enough for you when we actually worked together. but now that we have different opinions, I'm not. OK.
00:15:17 <xmrmatterbridge> <xmrhaelan> Making a business out of the title “Monero Community” is not very ideal. I am all for businesses forming to support the Monero community, but when the business itself is called the Monero Community (Workgroup) that is not very good optics and may cause quite a bit of confusion and frustration.
00:15:18 <kinghat[m]> will we see a return of xeagu?
00:15:33 <kinghat[m]> 🍿
00:16:08 <needmoney90> this was already discussed haelan
00:16:12 <needmoney90> the name is up for change
00:16:24 <xmrmatterbridge> <xmrhaelan> 👍
00:16:43 <xmrscott[m]> kinghat:  Funny that
00:16:51 <xmrscott[m]> https://twitter.com/realxeagu
00:17:01 <xmrscott[m]> (Came back online Jul 26)
00:18:03 <kinghat[m]> thats and interesting comeback
00:18:32 <kinghat[m]> were there ppl trying to impersonate xeagu?
00:20:08 <xmrscott[m]> Not that I'm aware of, but it's been a long time. The only trolls that were countertrolled w/ people impersonating (allegedly, could have been a false flag op for all I care) was thethrowaway21
00:21:01 <xmrscott[m]> There may have been others, I fortunately don't see trolls too much
00:28:10 <sgp_> xmrhaelan: the company name will be different, absolutely
00:31:51 <xmrmatterbridge> <cankerwort> That's some meaty drama over the idea of setting up an LLC to pay for hosting costs
00:32:19 <xmrmatterbridge> <cankerwort> If y'all put the CoC in the bylaws people's heads will explode
00:33:49 <kinghat[m]> how is the hosting costs paid for atm?
00:34:20 <xmrmatterbridge> <cankerwort> Out of pocket by individuals from what I gather
00:37:33 <xmrmatterbridge> <cankerwort> All sounds sensible to me, it isn't more centralised to have an LLC control these resources rather than individuals.
00:38:02 <kinghat[m]> 🤷‍♂️ dont know hows its currently handled
00:38:10 <kinghat[m]>  * 🤷‍♂️ dont know how its currently handled
00:38:21 <sethsimmons> <xmrmatterbridge "<cankerwort> All sounds sensible"> Well said, definitely agree here.
00:41:40 <xmrmatterbridge> <cankerwort> Some of the drama and tangential conversations of hypotheticals may seem overblown, but skepticism to the point of irrational paranoia is what makes Monero great
00:42:03 <sethsimmons> It’s certainly a common theme in serious discussions around here 😅
00:42:24 <sethsimmons> Which is not a bad thing.
00:42:24 <sethsimmons> As long as we can get into the details and have strong and reasonable discussions.
00:43:32 <needmoney90> but corporations are centralization! /s
00:44:22 <selsta> I wouldn’t want a corp for monero dev
00:44:48 <sethsimmons> There isn’t one needed there since Core handles infra/costs/etc AFAIK
00:44:55 <kinghat[m]> separation of church and state
00:45:04 <needmoney90> we already did that
00:45:09 <needmoney90> 👀
00:45:17 <sethsimmons> What do you mean?
00:45:23 <needmoney90> church of monero shit
00:45:27 <sethsimmons> Oh that
00:45:28 <sethsimmons> Lol
00:45:29 <kinghat[m]> the clergy can take many forms
00:45:35 <sgp_> I want to forget
00:45:39 <xmrmatterbridge> <cankerwort> Vintage drama
00:45:41 <sethsimmons> That was a “yikes” time
00:45:51 <sethsimmons> Glad that’s behind us
00:45:52 <sgp_> vintage drama is great to make fun of now
00:45:53 <needmoney90> I will say, I actually just recently participated in their 100th mass.
00:45:57 <needmoney90> They made it nearly two years
00:46:01 <needmoney90> thought I'd give them a little credit
00:46:02 <sgp_> I participated in their first
00:46:07 <sgp_> then noped out
00:47:10 <kinghat[m]> <sethsimmons "There isn’t one needed there sin"> if core handles this why is there a community need for incorporation?
00:47:24 <sethsimmons> Core can’t/shouldn’t handle it for every community group that springs up
00:47:27 <sethsimmons> IMO
00:47:52 <kinghat[m]> what is core handling for the community group?
00:48:00 <sethsimmons> Nothing AFAIK
00:48:05 <xmrmatterbridge> <cankerwort> Core just wants to deal with the core functions of being a FLOSS project from what I can tell
00:48:08 <sethsimmons> Thus the proposal 🙂
00:48:15 <kinghat[m]> wat?
00:48:16 <sethsimmons> FLOSS 😂
00:48:21 <sgp_> well, Mattermost is one example
00:48:25 <sgp_> we use that
00:49:00 <sethsimmons> Should just use Matrix/Element 😉
00:49:04 <kinghat[m]> who uses mattermost? isnt mattermost free?
00:49:13 <sgp_> they host it lol
00:49:16 <sgp_> costs $$$
00:49:32 <sgp_> Zcash stopped hosting their similar Rocket Chat lol. made no sense
00:49:41 <kinghat[m]> this is the official coms of core?
00:49:53 <sgp_> it's an official service of sorts
00:50:08 <kinghat[m]> never heard of anyone here using mattermost
00:50:14 <xmrmatterbridge> <cankerwort> Ahem
00:50:18 <sgp_> many people do
00:50:29 <kinghat[m]> i have it installed on my phone but never used it.
00:50:42 <needmoney90> what do you think people speaking over xmrmatterbridge are doing?
00:51:18 <xmrmatterbridge> <cankerwort> tbf most people think that is a username
00:51:18 <kinghat[m]> didnt realize that was an official bridge from an official server
00:51:29 <needmoney90> I mean it's all unofficial
00:51:33 <needmoney90> But it's unofficially official
00:51:39 <sgp_> just as official as it gets tho
00:51:49 <xmrmatterbridge> <xmrhaelan> Was the issue of claiming ownership of public commons like #monero-community also already addressed?
00:51:55 <kinghat[m]> the person in core doesnt want to host it anymore?
00:52:10 <needmoney90> Xmrhaelan: that's under the service category
00:52:21 <needmoney90> Specifically, moderation of community meetings and moderators in general
00:52:28 <sgp_> basically this workgroup moderates, though if we fuck up, Core takes over
00:52:36 <kinghat[m]> defcon videos are bing posted btw
00:53:13 <xmrmatterbridge> <xmrhaelan> Sgp is that in the bylaws?
00:53:21 <needmoney90> No, that's freenode
00:53:34 <xmrmatterbridge> <xmrhaelan> Ahh I see
00:53:34 <needmoney90> Freenode gives Core authority to take over any #monero- room
00:53:40 <needmoney90> By nature of the platform
00:53:41 <sgp_> if anything it's in Core's equivalent of bylaws
00:53:54 <needmoney90> And core has basically let us run it unless we mess up
00:54:19 <kinghat[m]> man i hope theres something more substantial in the draft than an already hosted mattermost server.
00:55:47 <xmrmatterbridge> <xmrhaelan> You guys should probably break out that table to distinguish between what you perceive as an Asset of the organization and a Service you plan on supporting. As it reads now makes it appear a business is claiming ownership
00:57:24 <sethsimmons> Yeah absolutely need more clarity there
02:29:07 <sgp_> I put together the memes for the competition Friday :)
02:29:42 <sgp_> I have a streamlined process for making them and downloading them, but I also need to trust people not to cheat lol
05:16:55 <fluffypony> needmoney90: no legal structure, just a loose collective
05:17:08 <needmoney90> Thank you
05:17:17 <fluffypony> we have setup a company, the Monero Distribution Company, for the purpose of getting an Apple Dev account and notarising binaries
05:17:29 <fluffypony> will likely use it to notarise Windows bins as well
05:17:44 <needmoney90> what entity has contact with freenode? Is it loosely core, so you/BF/moo?
05:18:26 <fluffypony> no entity - we had to fill in paperwork and list project contacts
05:18:31 <needmoney90> ah, I see
06:50:42 <midipoet> fluffypony: is there a CoC for core, a set of bylaws, or some governance document that you all signed up to with blood?
08:25:06 <fluffypony> midipoet: nope
08:25:17 <fluffypony> we didn't even know each other when we forked Bitmonero -> Monero
08:25:28 <fluffypony> so we're bound by historicity I guess
08:44:46 <Inge-> basically lucked out ...
08:46:15 <fluffypony> pretty much
08:46:43 <fluffypony> and given where Monero is now it's hard to expand that circle, as a state-grade attacker can afford to play the long game
08:46:45 <fluffypony> but they can't go back in time
08:50:55 * asymptotically travels back in time 
08:50:56 <asymptotically> hello, youngpony. maybe in 4 or 5 years you could give me some responsibilities for this new monero thing? looking after the release binaries perhaps?
08:53:52 <fluffypony> lol
13:33:21 <msvb-lab> Defcon: The Monero Village (and Defcon in general) is opening at 9:00 UTC-7, in a few hours.
13:34:14 <msvb-lab> Whoever is interested can read about it on:
13:34:16 <msvb-lab> https://defcon.org/html/defcon-safemode/dc-safemode-villages.html#monero
15:29:46 <msvb-lab> Defcon and the Monero Village is opening in a half hour (6-9 August 2020.) https://www.defcon.org/
15:30:05 <msvb-lab> It's at 9:00 UTC-7 (Las Vegas timezone) for those who are curious.
16:06:02 <Snipa> msvb-web - The link is broken on the page: https://www.monerovillage.org/dc28/schedule/ doesn't exist/fails.
16:06:12 <sgp_> rehrar: ^
16:06:27 <sgp_> they used a different url format that broke it
16:06:43 <Snipa> https://www.monerovillage.org/#schedule  Appears to be the proper one.  Someone w/ access to the apache serv can just redirect it I'm sure.
16:06:44 <sgp_> went down to 1 page
16:32:48 <rehrar> Argh! This fell through the cracks yesterday.
16:33:07 <rehrar> it's honestly easiest just to make that page
16:34:00 <rehrar> I'm manning the defcon village now. I say 'manning' because some villages are already getting some traffic, I think? It's what I'm seeing anyways.
16:53:38 <sgp_> xmrscott[m] Snipa fluffypony binaryFate ArticMine dsc_ gingeropolous intj440 hyc Isthmus M5M400 sarang UkoeHB_ vtnerd wowario[m]: We are having a Monero Meme competition Friday at 6pm ET. Please indicate if you can participate!
16:53:59 <Snipa> Neg, that's work hours.
16:55:30 <sethsimmons> <sgp_ "xmrscott Snipa fluffypony binary"> 😢 I am the unchosen one
16:56:36 <sethsimmons> From the community lead to forgotten in a week
16:56:44 <xmrscott[m]> "sgp_" (https://matrix.to/#/@freenode_sgp_:matrix.org): Yes, I plan to be avail
16:57:12 <Isthmus> Will there be any guidance around what constitutes an appropriate meme?
16:57:14 <sgp_> sethsimmons: you are obviously invited :)
16:57:32 <sgp_> Isthmus: one sec, let me pull the rules from the last one
16:57:37 <sethsimmons> Oh how the mighty have fallen 😂
16:57:40 <sethsimmons> What does this competition entail, sgp_? If I’m allowed to join
16:57:42 <sgp_> you will be given the same template to compete on
16:58:57 <M5M400> .c 6pm ET to CEST
16:58:57 <monerobux> ValueError: could not convert string to float: <type 'exceptions.SyntaxError'>: invalid syntax (<unknown>, line 1) (file "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/sopel/modules/calc.py", line 44, in c)
16:59:10 <M5M400> +6 right?
16:59:32 <sgp_> Isthmus: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/mpEtlKM1/moneroversary_meme_rules
16:59:36 <Snipa> -4 atm I think.
16:59:41 <Snipa> I'm -7 and they're 3 hours ahead of me.
17:00:15 <M5M400> I'm drunk. don't conduse me
17:00:19 <M5M400> *f
17:00:40 <M5M400> sgp_: help
17:00:40 <sgp_> 22 UTC
17:00:43 <dsc_> 6pm ET?
17:00:45 <M5M400> <3
17:01:01 <dsc_> M5M400: 00:00 midnight
17:01:10 <M5M400> <3<3
17:01:25 <sethsimmons> Looks fun :D
17:02:18 <M5M400> RXboost4++ meme
17:02:24 <sgp_> the main change from the last one is that the memes and templates will be in a shared folder to streamline. I'm trusting the participants more
17:02:25 <xmrscott[m]> "sgp_" (https://matrix.to/#/@freenode_sgp_:matrix.org): Yes, I plan to be avail
17:02:35 <UkoeHB_> ty for invite, however I will be asleep!
17:02:44 <niocbrrrrrr> Isthmus: just list all the possible spellings of monero, that shouldn't take more than a few weeks
17:03:01 <sgp_> someone also invite localmonero
17:06:17 <sgp_> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/eahuGU4f/moneromemecompetition_rules
17:08:56 <sgp_> dsc_: can you join?
17:09:19 <sgp_> niocbrrrrrr: can you join?
17:09:58 <niocbrrrrrr> I have no electricity or Internet
17:10:05 <niocbrrrrrr> No idea when it's coming back
17:10:17 <sgp_> like as a temp outage thing or a prolonged thing?
17:10:44 <niocbrrrrrr> From storm damage it was supposed to be on today but they haven't even started fixing it
17:11:40 <sgp_> :(
17:11:53 <xmrscott[m]> Ophf, that sucks
17:12:04 <dsc_> sgp_: yes ill try to join
17:12:49 <sgp_> dsc_: amazing :)
17:12:53 <sgp_> no WOW crap :p
17:14:11 <dsc_> never heard of it
17:14:22 <niocbrrrrrr> Lol
17:15:16 <sgp_> noice
17:15:47 <msvb-lab> rehrar: Hak5 finally turned on the badge listing, and are including the device in their 5 year anniversary sale I guess.
17:33:47 <gingeropolous> 6 pm nope sgp_
17:36:41 <sgp_> :(
18:44:48 <gingeropolous> im tellin yah, a beer hour would be better. 11 PM friday night, 2 drink minimum
19:04:45 <xmrscott[m]> FYI because I know there's a few OnePlus users out there (I'm still rocking my OnePlus5 while waiting for my PinePhone to ship): https://twitter.com/AndroidPolice/status/1290942005883748353
19:05:44 <M5M400> hmmm
19:05:55 <xmrscott[m]> tldr 8 and Nord have Facebook spyware that can't be removed
19:06:01 <M5M400> anyone wanna buy oneplus6?
19:18:59 <sgp_> my last OPO was the 3T
19:21:10 <sgp_> FB apps absolutely destroy phone batteries
19:23:19 <M5M400> sgp_: y yuo no samsung?
19:23:34 <sgp_> I am now, S20+
19:23:49 <M5M400> keepin' it real. nice
19:24:04 <sgp_> this is actually my first ever Samsung phone
19:24:12 <sgp_> lol
19:24:22 <M5M400> lol indeed
19:24:52 <M5M400> i feel this is the time to tell the nick's origin story
19:24:55 <sgp_> actually I take that back, I had a slide Samsung phone of some type in high school
19:25:35 <needmoney90> sgp_ hates his name btw :D
19:25:39 <dsc_> s20+ - 1000 usd phone?
19:25:50 <needmoney90> he's poor, give him a break
19:26:04 <sgp_> idk my family bought 2 and there was a dumb deal. would not have gotten it otherwise
19:26:25 <sgp_> I actually haven't paid for this lol, gotta leech off parents a bit longer :p
19:26:44 <M5M400> sgp_: let's both change nick. we both hate ours it seems
19:26:59 <sgp_> yes mine sucks
19:29:29 <rehrar> joining the name sucks club
19:29:36 <rehrar> M5M400 sgp_
19:29:49 <needmoney90> I didnt even come up with my username :D
19:30:15 <needmoney90> was a shared runescape account that got given to me :p
19:30:26 <needmoney90> so long ago I cant remember
19:30:56 <xmrscott[m]> Nice
19:31:17 <needmoney90> cant tell you how many people think I was born in '90
19:31:36 <rehrar> I'd just rebrand to diegosalazar
19:31:38 <rehrar> if I could
19:31:39 <xmrscott[m]> Probably the person that gave it to you was though I would imagine
19:31:54 <needmoney90> nope, we were in the same grade
19:32:00 <needmoney90> which in the US is age based
19:32:05 <xmrscott[m]> rehrar: You can
19:32:08 <xmrscott[m]> Do it
19:32:27 <needmoney90> Just rebrand to DieSal
19:32:30 <needmoney90> like diesel
19:32:35 <needmoney90> and have a fat truck as your profile picture
19:32:52 <xmrscott[m]> Oh yes, make a Carsona. Would be hilarious
19:33:02 <needmoney90> I just learned a word today that I really wish I didnt know
19:33:08 <needmoney90> thanks for that scott
19:33:18 <rehrar> Diego Saladbar
19:33:52 <xmrscott[m]> You're welcome. I thank swiftOnSecurity for informing me there are Planesonas. At this point I just assume there are people who apply 'sona to everything
19:34:12 <needmoney90> sonasona
19:38:14 <niocbrrrrrr> I am happy with nioc
19:42:01 <kinghat[m]> plz become Mr. Saladbar
19:44:49 <sgp_> Planesona lmao
19:45:37 <sgp_> https://twitter.com/swiftonsecurity/status/856352731950436352
19:50:43 <sgp_> Anyone like Glass Animals? New album drops tomorrow
19:53:21 <kinghat[m]> are they anything like dying fetus?
19:54:54 <sgp_> kinghat[m]: yes almost exactly the same
19:55:36 <kinghat[m]> im in
20:11:19 <dsc_> Wow, those intel leaks are juicy
20:12:47 <sethsimmons> What leaks?
20:13:15 <dsc_> https://www.zdnet.com/article/intel-investigating-breach-after-20gb-of-internal-documents-leak-online/
20:16:18 <dsc_> https://twitter.com/deletescape/status/1291405688204402689
20:25:08 <kinghat[m]> is there a monero channel on the defcon discord server?
20:40:21 <asymptotically> lol "intel123". such secure!
21:01:51 <xmrscott[m]> Oh the stories I wish I could tell
21:02:02 <midipoet> lol
21:06:46 <xmrscott[m]> kinghat: Yes, but it opens tomorrow like some of the others and competitive events
21:07:14 <xmrscott[m]> So it's hidden but to a select few for now
22:15:41 <binaryFate> sgp_:  I cannot make the meme thing, sorry. Looking forward to see results :)
22:50:28 <sgp_> :(