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hyc
endogenic: I read about 2/3rd of your CCS. Way way TL;DR
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hyc
brevity is the soul of wit
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hyc
you repeated yourself many times
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hyc
comes across as more stream of conscious than planned document
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hyc
and, it also comes across as scam language.
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hyc
"Increase Monero adoption with this one weird trick!"
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endogenic
You read a technical document?
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endogenic
the
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endogenic
bbl
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hyc
so - don't tell the story of how his realization hit you. don't allude to secret further plans.
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hyc
listing your previous work references is useful
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hyc
everything else is superfluous and a distraction
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hyc
actually, you probably could have just said "If you don't know me, I took over running MyMonero from fluffypony a couple years ago" and then linked to some other page for back history.
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hyc
most people in the Monero community will already know MyMonero and your connection to it, anyone who doesn't can do their own research and read your link
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hyc
overall there was too much rambling storytelling, talking about overhauling APIs, meeting enterprises, etc. etc. etc. none of which talk about the new work being proposed.
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hyc
CCS proposal should have 1 main point. stick to that. what are you proposing to build. how much will it cost. what are the deliverables and the schedule of delivery.
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hyc
the long journey of how you got here really doesn't belong in the CCS.
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endogenic
hyc: See my message? By the way wasn't it like 3 AM there?
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hyc
4am now
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hyc
didn't see a tech doc
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hyc
and yeah, going to sleep soon
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sgp_
endogenic: that was very difficult to read tbh
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sgp_
Plus all the weird drama calling out people was very unnecessary and unprofessional imo
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endogenic
sgp_: The information is necessary to explain why we cannot possibly save the company. You are not a donor so you are not the audience unless you intend to help review the technical document. I did not have to make this proposal and spend three weeks Even though I knew what some people would feel
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endogenic
And one of the first things mentions just how long we spent on it. We could have coded the entire marketplace server in that time. Think
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endogenic
As a matter of fact it sounds like you have an actually understood or read all of the details yet so I will give you some more time
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endogenic
havent
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sgp_
imo even so can you explain why these arent two separate CCS proposals? One for MyMonero and another for the marketplace idea?
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endogenic
they are
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endogenic
Read again I guess
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endogenic
bbl Please excuse me
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sgp_
Haha I read it, thanks
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endogenic
Then you need to review it again. Take it from the author who apparently knows what he's talking about. Otherwise just ignore it and pretend I didn't post it OK
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sgp_
But this one CCS has 2 parts. Make it 2 completely independent CCS proposals
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endogenic
That's incorrect
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rottensox
geez.
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hyc
dude. the CCS is unreadable.
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sgp_
I see one CCS proposal for ~3000 XMR according to the standard format. Follow the standard format please
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sgp_
You didn't define payouts or milestones
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sgp_
That's in the top of the document for a reason
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UkoeHB_
It may help to publish the 'blog post' type of content in a different place from the proposal itself.
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sgp_
^ definitely also this
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hyc
^ absolutely
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sgp_
Also after you spilled the internal operations of everyone you dealt with, idk how many people will trust you and be willing to partner with you on your new venture
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sgp_
I know you don't like Cake, but who announces proposed changes of private company ownership publicly
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sgp_
And this is apparently for an unknown CTO, and the developed tech will be proprietary, correct?
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endogenic
sgp you pretend to know a whole lot
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endogenic
you didnt understand what you read
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endogenic
There were no proposed changes
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endogenic
It was a unilateral decision without discussion and it is an example of a hundred time repeated pattern
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endogenic
take it for what you will
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sgp_
It's still clearly information that's meant to be confidential
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sgp_
No matter how you view it
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endogenic
Yes well that begs the question of why my partner revealed confidential information first doesn't it
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endogenic
It's OK though
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endogenic
I don't mind much anymore
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endogenic
Now about the CTO
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endogenic
This is for six months of funding for him alone
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endogenic
One payout
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endogenic
Kind of similar to the Globee thing in a certain aspect wouldn't you say SGP
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sgp_
Him = ?
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endogenic
the cto.
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sgp_
Funding unknown projects was a mistake
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endogenic
that's correct
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endogenic
And that's why you need to reread this proposal
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sgp_
So funding an unknown CTO would also be a ________
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sgp_
Fill in the blank
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endogenic
I hate to say it but if you had any idea who this individual is you would be asking how to help
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endogenic
So I'm actually risking my entire reputation
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endogenic
If it doesn't mean anything to you then please allow me to repeat my request to ignore my post
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sgp_
Talk to a VC
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endogenic
bbl pls wxcuse
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endogenic
Yes well you clearly need to reread my post because you'll notice that I mentioned that clearly
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endogenic
I think I need to give you some more time to digest some big things
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sgp_
Asking $$$ to develop proprietary data is an ask of a VC, not a community
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endogenic
It's not proprietary
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endogenic
I'm gonna stop talking to you now because you keep saying things that you didn't confirm as if you know them
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endogenic
Let's talk later after you confirm
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endogenic
Eventually you might find some weird questions
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sgp_
I'm an adult, please treat me like one thanks
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endogenic
Since you're an adult I should mention that if the Monero CCS doesn't fund this proposal then the CTO will walk away and you guys will realize before terribly long that it was a terrible precedent
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endogenic
I want to mention again that it's OK
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endogenic
You're all free to choose exactly whatever you want
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endogenic
I just thought you should be properly informed
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endogenic
And as for protecting his identity this individual has a family and young children
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endogenic
I don't think I need to make that argument again
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endogenic
He's giving me the option that if we find him I can reveal his identity
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endogenic
fund
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endogenic
But I will hold that option at my own discretion and frankly I'm not inclined to reveal it to the public yet
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sgp_
I reread and I see the portion about the MyMonero open source components for $50-60k but it's unclear if the merchant platform will be FOSS (though you said a related app would be)
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endogenic
keep rereading
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sgp_
I apologise for assuming that the related code would be proprietary, but can you please confirm if it will be or not
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endogenic
must be off
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endogenic
pls excuse. I'm excited to contue chatting and to collab
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endogenic
the tech doc is neat
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endogenic
gnite
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endogenic
will return..
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sgp_
"I don't expect the most people to use a modified client, especially on iOS, for which a developer account is required along with manual side-loading a modified app, but it will be possible because the new app will also of course be open-source."
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sgp_
That's the relevant part I see
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gingeropolous
will the marketplace operate kinda like openbazaar?
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gingeropolous
openbazaaaar
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rottensox
<endogenic> bbl pls wxcuse
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rottensox
what's up with this? you've been saying bbl for the past 4 hours.
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endogenic
was on the road. then dinner. now early night bc phew! nite all
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Inge-
That is a 32-page CCS proposal. That has to be some kind of record.
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rbrunner
My take about that CCS:
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rbrunner
All very interesting, tons of useful info about the planned venture at hand, many stories certainly worthy of being told
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rbrunner
But I think the the overall net effect is something that is not serving its purpose as an attractive CCS proposal
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rbrunner
I really can't see that most people will read through this and while doing so form an opinion whether to donate or not
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rbrunner
based on the info that's in there, that is
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rbrunner
My humble advice: Split that thing up. Into many parts. In many different places, according to type of info.
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rbrunner
Make 1, 2 or maybe even 3 separate CCS proposals for all the sub-projects here, short, concise, to the point
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rbrunner
Make a number (>5?) blog posts somewhere about background, history, problematic single points like multi-output txs, etc.
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rbrunner
And for the CCS proposals themselves: How about writing them together with that potential future CTO?
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rbrunner
You say he is experienced and professional - alright, profit from that. Right from the start of the venture.
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rbrunner
As far as I can see in the backlog I am at the third or fourth person to voice something in this general direction
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rbrunner
Doesn't that make it progressively less likely that we all just misunderstand, did not read fully, or similar reason?
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rbrunner
I really hope you will consider shortening and simplifying this
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rbrunner
If you push this through in this form IMHO you are your own worst enemy
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Inge-
Just having a couple of paragraphs at the top stating extremely succinctly 1. What will be delivered, 2. what funding is required 3. milestones - would help a lot, as my eyes glaze over before I find those details. This might be a failing on my part, but I fear it is a failing I share with large swaths of the donor community.
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rbrunner
And maybe even come up with a good project name, so people can easily refer to it when discussing, posting, etc. Like "Coral Reef". That damned thing had a name, and that simplified things.
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rbrunner
Yes. This needs a name. Definitely. If even only something preliminary. Revolutions and breakthroughs best start with a name. Heck, nowadays even bugs and exploits have names.
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midipoet
i really like the idea - but there was quite a lot of info in that CCS which i felt was spurious. Also, i would like to know who the CTO actually is. Crypto stardom - even if vouched for - shouldn't be the basis of reputation and trust for $100,000 in XMR.
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midipoet
also, the whole "why this project must be independent" section worries me more than anything. seems an awful amount of politics in it, at least, at worst a lot of complex (and sometimes seemingly fishy) financial and business dealings.
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ErCiccione[m]
Man, i hated the tone used with sgp_, so rude and condescending. Now gotta take the day off to read that CCS..
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ErCiccione[m]
Personally, i don't think the proposal should be discussed until it's in a readable and concise format.
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rottensox
Seconded.
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neoflux[m]
Elon Musk’s TOP SECRET Connection to this ALTCOIN!
youtube.com/watch?v=_VLLYkPu3wQ
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monerobux
[ Elon Musk’s TOP SECRET Connection to this ALTCOIN! - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
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ErCiccione[m]
No spammy crap please
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rbrunner
Hey, it's not crap, it's TOP SECRET :)
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asymptotically
it's in caps so we know that it's true!
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rbrunner
Riiiight.
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neoflux[m]
Look at it. It's very incisive and impressive. I'm not a useless loiterer like you guys
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neoflux[m]
I think this Cicciolina is some narcissistic loiterer who's just complaining about everything like a bitch.
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ErCiccione[m]
LOL. You got me, thanks for your valuable contribution :)
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rbrunner
Yeah, the video and the info may be ok. But the headline is rubbish. This from another useless loiterer.
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xmrmatterbridge
<xmrhaelan> endogenic giving more insight into the credentials of this CTO would be valuable. The community has been burned too many times. You discussing private deals publicly lowers confidence in you, so sharing more about the CTO may be essential for this to succeed.
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endogenic
I'll be back to answer soon but read carefully still please, I placed the new name inside there
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endogenic
I swear to all of you that I tried my hardest not to disclose information so I would appreciate it if you stop calling me unprofessional or acting like I'm doing this because I wanted to
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endogenic
You mostly probably have a little idea just what I've been through
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endogenic
You'll need to read this proposal more carefully because there is some very weird stuff indicated by it
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endogenic
I understand it's lengthy and detailed but I spent an extraordinarily long amount of time just making it short enough. We did our best. And I know that I can still do some more improvements. But it's honestly not that bad. The system is extraordinarily simple but very powerful
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sgp_
afaict the main goal is to integrate a marketplace in MyMonero, no? Can you please confirm what specific aspects of this will be open-source?
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endogenic
No that is not the goal
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endogenic
I spent a very long amount of time including information that explains why we unfortunately cannot do it under MyMonero
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endogenic
No matter how much I try to no matter how much I put up with
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sgp_
ok, so a separate marketplace app?
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endogenic
I have to go right now though but the information to your questions answer is already in the proposal SGP
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hyc
if people have to sift thru the proposal with a fine toothed comb to find answers to pertinent questions, then it's a poorly written proposal
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hyc
doesn't matter how worthy the goal is if you can't present it concisely, simply, without long rambling anecdotes
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hyc
and really, knowing you, I don't doubt it's a worthy project
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hyc
but this is not the way to pitch it.
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sgp_
honestly I'm currently a hard no on the project proposal. Maybe I can be convinced about the work needed to fully open-source MyMonero, but I would like that to be broken out completely separately in its own CCS with clear terms first
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ErCiccione[m]
endogenic please post a CCS proposal that can be instantly understood and move all side information in a blog post. I read almost half of it but i gave up in frustration. I find the text very hard to read and almost a flux of thoughts; very hard to follow. I don't see how a proposal with that structure can be even discussed. In the current status i can only vote no.
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xmrmatterbridge
<xmrhaelan> Endogenic I’ve read the entire thing. Didn’t see a name. Please point me to the section.
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hyc
needs some serious tch writing / biz writing skills
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hyc
s/tch/tech
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monerobux
hyc meant to say: needs some serious tech writing / biz writing skills
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netrik182[m]
Or I'm completely mistaken and endogenic and help here
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netrik182[m]
s/and/can
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monerobux
netrik182[m] meant to say: Or I'm completely mistaken can endogenic and help here
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netrik182[m]
The secound and ^
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rbrunner
Lol. But at least that bot tried hard :)
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xmrmatterbridge
<xmrhaelan> netrik182 great summary
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suraeNoether
I am in agreement with sgp, ErCiccione, hyc, and others.
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suraeNoether
Also hi
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sgp_
yo dude!
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hyc
Hi! I disagree with surae, just because. :P
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netrik182[m]
* Or I'm completely mistaken and endogenic can help here
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fort3hlulz
So I finally finished reading the proposal.
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fort3hlulz
If it's going to go to funding, it has to be rewritten. It's very hard to follow, hard to get a clear ask (I thought it was part of MyMonero until the very end), and half of it is airing of dirty laundry between him and fluffy for some reason (?)
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sgp_
Riccardo just responded a few minutes ago
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fort3hlulz
The actual core concept looks great, and with clear deliverables and a clear payout/milestone timeline it sounds awesome
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fort3hlulz
But the proposal itself is weird and cumbersome
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fort3hlulz
<sgp_> Riccardo just responded a few minutes ago <- Yeah I'm reading that now
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midipoet
where is the response?
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midipoet
got i am so out of the drama loop
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midipoet
s/got/god
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monerobux
midipoet meant to say: god i am so out of the drama loop
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midipoet
it worked for me!
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netrik182[m]
* The second and ^
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niocbrrrrrr
if potential funders can't comprehend the proposal, how will they donate?
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hyc
you shoulda used s/and help/
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niocbrrrrrr
I looked at it but I'm not Marvin so I have no idea wat I am looking at
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niocbrrrrrr
and saying read it again will do nothing for me
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fort3hlulz
Yikes just read it.
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fort3hlulz
This is obviously not a good look for anyone, but seems to undermine much of what was said in the proposal.
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fort3hlulz
Was there ever a reason stated for *why* all of the financial details and dirty laundry of MyMonero was aired in the proposal?
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fort3hlulz
I have no idea how it's relevant to what's being suggested/asked for, but maybe I missed something...
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sgp_
Paul must have felt it was a good idea
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niocbrrrrrr
I guess I should just read the title
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niocbrrrrrr
CTO for Monero-dedicated Marketplace from the team behind MyMonero
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fort3hlulz
He's proposing a Monero marketplace/wallet combo app
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fort3hlulz
And has some high-up CTO on-board who cannot be named
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fort3hlulz
And a lot of secret stuff planned for the future that can also not be named
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niocbrrrrrr
yes but according to the title what is being requested is funding of the CTO
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fort3hlulz
Yeah thats the main funding
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fort3hlulz
There are like 3 optional asks as well
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rehrar
neoflux[m]: I've never seen you before. And I do a lot of Monero work. I think you popping in once to show a video is the definition of a useless loiterer?
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rbrunner
Well, here go several almost scandal-free years, where Monero, its community and associated ventures could only mildly laugh about nonsense happening over at other coins ...
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hyc
after reading fluffy's response, I think this whole thing needs to be deleted and buried
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selsta
yea these internal disagreements make no sense on the CCS platform
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fort3hlulz
yeah its a really bad look
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fort3hlulz
for all involved
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fort3hlulz
and the proposal itself is obviously a non-starter in it's current form
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fort3hlulz
*to me, obviously people can disagree
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hyc
I can't believe anyone who reads this is going to say "shut up and take my money"
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fort3hlulz
In it's current state, no.
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fort3hlulz
The core concept (once you dig it out of the mess) is interesting and I'd like to hear *a lot* more details
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fort3hlulz
But its very vague/secretive about clear future goals, lacks milestones, and doesn't mention anything about the CTO that clearly makes him worth $200k/yr for the community to fund
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rehrar
rbrunner we've had scandals, no?
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selsta
my first introduction to monero was a fireice drama post on reddit :D
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hyc
and you didn't run away??
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selsta
something where he complained about hostile monero developers
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selsta
lol
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rehrar
selsta's like: ooooh, I like hostility. This is the community for me.
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rehrar
And then he was disappointed to see it wasn't true, but stayed anyway.
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hyc
lol
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kinghat[m]
were a very sticky community
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kinghat[m]
we've got our rehrar back as well!
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rehrar
I couldn't stay away.
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kinghat[m]
"sticky"
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rbrunner
rehrar: What are thinking of, especially in the last 3 years? (My own experience does not go further back ...)
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sgp_
rehrar: lol
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rehrar
Kovri, fluffypony's Pre announcement.
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rehrar
Nothing too crazy
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sgp_
I was probably the most vocal about that pre-announcement
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sgp_
I was vocal abou tKovri too late
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rbrunner
Yeah, right. Almost forgot already.
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camthegeek
fluffypony shut that shit down in that reply :D
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rbrunner
So I guess we were just due for something new :)
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niocbrrrrrr
<selsta> my first introduction to monero was a fireice drama post on reddit :D <= I guess we should be grateful to fireice :)
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sgp_
seriously! what amazing luck
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kinghat[m]
🙏
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selsta
my first introduction to the monero community would be more accurate
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rehrar
And now you're the glue that holds us together selsta
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rehrar
Who would have thought you'd grow up so fast? :')
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endogenic
the point is to justify to some of you why this has to be a new project
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endogenic
it was your right to know
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endogenic
i take the hit for that
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endogenic
i havent read all responses yet
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hyc
dude. you shared info to the public that you didn't have the authority to share.
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hyc
all redibility you may have had in this community has been shot to hell.
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hyc
s/redi/credi/
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monerobux
hyc meant to say: all credibility you may have had in this community has been shot to hell.
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ErCiccione[m]
man, pony was pissed.
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rbrunner
But you have to read between the lines to really grasp that, right?
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sgp_
endogenic: you definitely did not need to jump to the nuclear option of sharing all the details. You could have started with "I want to make a new company and app that..."
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sgp_
Even so that would have been riddled with problems for many other reasons
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midipoet
crypto drama is the best sort of drama
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midipoet
what I don't understand is how the CCS got merged. Isn't there a review process? I was sure there was/is
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selsta
I did not get merged yet.
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selsta
It*
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rehrar
Any posted idea shows up. It isn't merged.
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midipoet
oh I see. I am stupid
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midipoet
That's gets me a lot
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midipoet
*that
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geonic
did a mod delete the reddit post or was it endogenic?
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midipoet
there was Reddit drama as well!
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luigi1111w
doesn't reddit tell you if it was removed by moderators vs deleted?
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selsta
new Reddit does
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geonic
Ah, yeah. Sorry, this post has been removed by the moderators of r/Monero.
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selsta
there was no drama on this post but I think this internal stuff does not belong to Reddit
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selsta
(not a mod)
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geonic
wasn’t a good look for sure
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luigi1111w
mods ruin everything
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geonic
all work and no play
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dEBRUYNE
We decided to remove it temporarily because it currently links to confidential information
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dEBRUYNE
^ geonic
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needbrrrrrrr90
cEnSoRsHiP
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needbrrrrrrr90
If anyone has a question about the removal of the thread, I suggest they read the thread and all its replies in their entirety. They should cover any questions you have.
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needbrrrrrrr90
If you still have questions you haven't read hard enough 👀
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endogenic
What link is confidential
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endogenic
And who owns it
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endogenic
I will be back in maybe a day or two
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endogenic
hyc
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endogenic
dEBRUYNE:
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UkoeHB_
endogenic: it might be a good idea to read fluffy's response to your CCS with urgency
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needbrrrrrrr90
Yeah, sounds like someone hasn't read it entirely
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camthegeek
I second that statement ^
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endogenic
I read it carefully and so did my partner
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camthegeek
or third
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endogenic
It has many inaccuracies to see the list
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endogenic
To say the least
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endogenic
bbbl
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hyc
endogenic: don't bother coming back. seriously. your handling of all of this is grossly unprofessional.
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hyc
if you knew you were going to be traveling and wouldn't have time to focus on responding to feedback, you should have waited to submit the proposal until you had adequate time
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endogenic
Your feedback is handled HYC don't worry
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endogenic
I also cannot buy Hemlock with Monero yet Ha Ha Ha Ha I kid
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geonic
I’m having deja vu of anonimal dropping his Secreta proposal and disappearing on winter break or whtv
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endogenic
lol dont worry
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geonic
why not just delete the gitlab issue? obvious this isn’t going anywhere. I like a good food fight as much as anyone else but the odds are stacked heavily against you here
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fort3hlulz
Yeah the MR should be pulled and re-written IMO
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fort3hlulz
Don't think it can move forward as is.
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xmrmatterbridge
<xmrhaelan> fluffypony destroyed all credibility in his response. FWIW I suggest endogenic remove this and take some time to consider all feedback and his own intentions. You may decide to submit a new proposal, or perhaps you encourage the CTO to reveal himself and submit his own proposal. Regardless, you should consider all points of feedback that you’ve been given before making any other decisions.
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endogenic
Yes I just want to say again please don't worry. We're taking your feedback very carefully
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fort3hlulz
well said xmrhaelan
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dEBRUYNE
endogenic: I meant the info disclosed in the ccs proposal
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endogenic
There was a lot of info in there.
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endogenic
Anyway don't worry
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UkoeHB_
Hard not to worry lol..
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dEBRUYNE
endogenic: The 'Why this new project must be independent' part in particular is what I was referring to
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endogenic
All of it?
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endogenic
koe I feel physically generally safe and as I mentioned in the aspects of why the project has to be independent I should be able to survive for now
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dEBRUYNE
As far as I can see, most information is confidential and should have remained private
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endogenic
How do you know? And can you please be specific
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endogenic
Otherwise it doesn't seem like eyesight
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endogenic
Anyway it's also true that confidential information was already breached if you read the other parts of that very section
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dEBRUYNE
Because it is fairly easy to infer from the context
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endogenic
I would just like specifics if all of these hard-core claims are posted. But please don't worry about funding the proposal. It's getting deleted
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dEBRUYNE
Besides, Fluffypony clearly stated in his reply that it is private information subjected to an NDA
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endogenic
What is subject to NDA?
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defterade_
my introduction to monero was sgp_ calling out fluffy on the pre-announcement
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defterade_
i knew something was up when paul made that tweet a couple days ago promising "something big" for Monero
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defterade_
maybe it was ironic idk
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endogenic
I wasn't even thinking about that. I was being sincere
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endogenic
I didn't know that about SGP
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I'm curious what he actually said
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sgp_
I said imo Core members shouldn't have done something like that, even if it was to prove a point
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Like what?
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sgp_
Fake announcements
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And a hat tip to nioc for that venue
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Is it fake if it's clearly a joke?
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sgp_
Does a recording exist? I'd pay good money
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Or I guess you're talking about the pre-announcement
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sgp_
The pre-announcement yes
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Yes but I recall the audio was insufficient
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sgp_
The actual "announcement" was fine
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sgp_
Anything at all is important history
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Personally I myself would never have treated that Pre-announcement
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traded
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sgp_
That doesn't really matter though, people did
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I bet y'all don't remember that I also announce some thing there
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sgp_
You're not Core lol
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What would you do now if you were CEO of MyMonero or maybe cake, I saw your comment about market places. I don't know why that question occurred to me but it did and I could see it happening
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'see'
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It's just fun to think about possibilities sometimes I guess
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niocbrrrrrr
sgp_: The venue moved our location within the building and the staff they provided didn't know how to run the A/V
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niocbrrrrrr
We jury rigged things for the live stream which resulted in it being awful
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niocbrrrrrr
The person that recorded it had the good audio and video but never completed the editing and then disappeared
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sgp_
I wish I captured my screen with OBS in hindsight
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geonic
What does Cake have to do with any of this? Not following the logic there
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niocbrrrrrr
the barolo that aminorex obtained was very good
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sgp_
Can we try pinging the good video/sound person again?
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geonic
Why are we looking for a recording of the pre-announcement? Is someone unsure that it happened?
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geonic
Let bygones be bygones IMO
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sgp_
No I just kinda want one that's all. For historical reasons 10 years from now
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geonic
for the Monero documentary lol
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sgp_
EXACTLY :p
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UkoeHB_
I thought there was some kind of short video?
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selsta
mea.business
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selsta
or was there a different pre ann?
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sgp_
That's the one
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jwinterm
selsta, that is the announcement
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jwinterm
but the pre-announcement was done at nyc meetup I guess
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niocbrrrrrr
the pre-announcement was b4 the meetup
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niocbrrrrrr
mea was presented at the meetup
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niocbrrrrrr
anybody who knew fluffy at all should have known that there was nothing that he would announce in this way
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When I took Rick, Brandon, and my ex to dinner that night I put on the reservation that we were celebrating an announcement
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They brought us a cake that said congratulations on the announcement or something. He loved it
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niocbrrrrrr
disclaimer: I did not trade this situation
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I just thought I should let you know that I have literally been told about basically nothing that has ever happened before it happened. That includes the offer of sale
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To a direct competitor
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But whatever
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