01:37:17 <hyc> endogenic: I read about 2/3rd of your CCS. Way way TL;DR
01:37:24 <hyc> brevity is the soul of wit
01:37:29 <hyc> you repeated yourself many times
01:37:47 <hyc> comes across as more stream of conscious than planned document
01:37:57 <hyc> and, it also comes across as scam language.
01:38:06 <hyc> "Increase Monero adoption with this one weird trick!"
01:38:38 <endogenic> You read a technical document?
01:38:42 <endogenic> the
01:39:38 <endogenic> bbl
01:40:27 <hyc> so - don't tell the story of how his realization hit you. don't allude to secret further plans.
01:40:42 <hyc> listing your previous work references is useful
01:40:55 <hyc> everything else is superfluous and a distraction
01:43:20 <hyc> actually, you probably could have just said "If you don't know me, I took over running MyMonero from fluffypony a couple years ago" and then linked to some other page for back history.
01:43:51 <hyc> most people in the Monero community will already know MyMonero and your connection to it, anyone who doesn't can do their own research and read your link
01:45:01 <hyc> overall there was too much rambling storytelling, talking about overhauling APIs, meeting enterprises, etc. etc. etc. none of which talk about the new work being proposed.
01:46:23 <hyc> CCS proposal should have 1 main point. stick to that. what are you proposing to build. how much will it cost. what are the deliverables and the schedule of delivery.
01:46:43 <hyc> the long journey of how you got here really doesn't belong in the CCS.
03:06:06 <endogenic> hyc: See my message? By the way wasn't it like 3 AM there?
03:06:46 <hyc> 4am now
03:06:59 <hyc> didn't see a tech doc
03:07:09 <hyc> and yeah, going to sleep soon
03:07:14 <sgp_> endogenic: that was very difficult to read tbh
03:07:41 <sgp_> Plus all the weird drama calling out people was very unnecessary and unprofessional imo
03:08:39 <endogenic> sgp_: The information is necessary to explain why we cannot possibly save the company. You are not a donor so you are not the audience unless you intend to help review the technical document. I did not have to make this proposal and spend three weeks Even though I knew what some people would feel
03:09:07 <endogenic> And one of the first things mentions just how long we spent on it. We could have coded the entire marketplace server in that time. Think
03:09:28 <endogenic> As a matter of fact it sounds like you have an actually understood or read all of the details yet so I will give you some more time
03:09:39 <endogenic> havent
03:09:39 <sgp_> imo even so can you explain why these arent two separate CCS proposals? One for MyMonero and another for the marketplace idea?
03:09:50 <endogenic> they are
03:09:56 <endogenic> Read again I guess
03:10:03 <endogenic> bbl Please excuse me
03:10:04 <sgp_> Haha I read it, thanks
03:10:23 <endogenic> Then you need to review it again. Take it from the author who apparently knows what he's talking about. Otherwise just ignore it and pretend I didn't post it OK
03:10:32 <sgp_> But this one CCS has 2 parts. Make it 2 completely independent CCS proposals
03:10:42 <endogenic> That's incorrect
03:11:20 <rottensox> geez.
03:11:53 <hyc> dude. the CCS is unreadable.
03:12:46 <sgp_> I see one CCS proposal for ~3000 XMR according to the standard format. Follow the standard format please
03:13:50 <sgp_> You didn't define payouts or milestones
03:14:06 <sgp_> That's in the top of the document for a reason
03:17:04 <UkoeHB_> It may help to publish the 'blog post' type of content in a different place from the proposal itself.
03:17:16 <sgp_> ^ definitely also this
03:17:47 <hyc> ^ absolutely
03:19:06 <sgp_> Also after you spilled the internal operations of everyone you dealt with, idk how many people will trust you and be willing to partner with you on your new venture
03:20:30 <sgp_> I know you don't like Cake, but who announces proposed changes of private company ownership publicly
03:30:45 <sgp_> And this is apparently for an unknown CTO, and the developed tech will be proprietary, correct?
03:47:13 <endogenic> sgp you pretend to know a whole lot
03:47:25 <endogenic> you didnt understand what you read
03:47:37 <endogenic> There were no proposed changes
03:48:07 <endogenic> It was a unilateral decision without discussion and it is an example of a hundred time repeated pattern
03:48:13 <endogenic> take it for what you will
03:48:34 <sgp_> It's still clearly information that's meant to be confidential
03:48:42 <sgp_> No matter how you view it
03:49:30 <endogenic> Yes well that begs the question of why my partner revealed confidential information first doesn't it
03:49:35 <endogenic> It's OK though
03:49:40 <endogenic> I don't mind much anymore
03:49:45 <endogenic> Now about the CTO
03:49:59 <endogenic> This is for six months of funding for him alone
03:50:02 <endogenic> One payout
03:50:09 <endogenic> Kind of similar to the Globee thing in a certain aspect wouldn't you say SGP
03:50:15 <sgp_> Him = ?
03:50:26 <endogenic> the cto.
03:50:31 <sgp_> Funding unknown projects was a mistake
03:50:38 <endogenic> that's correct
03:50:43 <endogenic> And that's why you need to reread this proposal
03:51:01 <sgp_> So funding an unknown CTO would also be a ________
03:51:04 <sgp_> Fill in the blank
03:51:11 <endogenic> I hate to say it but if you had any idea who this individual is you would be asking how to help
03:51:20 <endogenic> So I'm actually risking my entire reputation
03:51:28 <endogenic> If it doesn't mean anything to you then please allow me to repeat my request to ignore my post
03:51:32 <sgp_> Talk to a VC
03:51:33 <endogenic> bbl pls wxcuse
03:51:42 <endogenic> Yes well you clearly need to reread my post because you'll notice that I mentioned that clearly
03:52:08 <endogenic> I think I need to give you some more time to digest some big things
03:52:10 <sgp_> Asking $$$ to develop proprietary data is an ask of a VC, not a community
03:52:16 <endogenic> It's not proprietary
03:52:25 <endogenic> I'm gonna stop talking to you now because you keep saying things that you didn't confirm as if you know them
03:52:31 <endogenic> Let's talk later after you confirm
03:52:38 <endogenic> Eventually you might find some weird questions
03:53:11 <sgp_> I'm an adult, please treat me like one thanks
03:56:29 <endogenic> Since you're an adult I should mention that if the Monero CCS doesn't fund this proposal then the CTO will walk away and you guys will realize before terribly long that it was a terrible precedent
03:56:35 <endogenic> I want to mention again that it's OK
03:56:41 <endogenic> You're all free to choose exactly whatever you want
03:56:46 <endogenic> I just thought you should be properly informed
03:57:17 <endogenic> And as for protecting his identity this individual has a family and young children
03:57:23 <endogenic> I don't think I need to make that argument again
03:57:30 <endogenic> He's giving me the option that if we find him I can reveal his identity
03:57:34 <endogenic> fund
03:57:44 <endogenic> But I will hold that option at my own discretion and frankly I'm not inclined to reveal it to the public yet
03:59:29 <sgp_> I reread and I see the portion about the MyMonero open source components for $50-60k but it's unclear if the merchant platform will be FOSS (though you said a related app would be)
04:00:05 <endogenic> keep rereading
04:00:06 <sgp_> I apologise for assuming that the related code would be proprietary, but can you please confirm if it will be or not
04:00:09 <endogenic> must be off
04:00:19 <endogenic> pls excuse. I'm excited to contue chatting and to collab
04:00:33 <endogenic> the tech doc is neat
04:00:44 <endogenic> gnite
04:00:53 <endogenic> will return..
04:01:26 <sgp_> "I don't expect the most people to use a modified client, especially on iOS, for which a developer account is required along with manual side-loading a modified app, but it will be possible because the new app will also of course be open-source."
04:03:42 <sgp_> That's the relevant part I see
04:22:37 <gingeropolous> will the marketplace operate kinda like openbazaar?
04:22:43 <gingeropolous> openbazaaaar
04:25:13 <rottensox> <endogenic> bbl pls wxcuse
04:25:13 <rottensox> what's up with this? you've been saying bbl for the past 4 hours.
04:40:09 <endogenic> was on the road. then dinner. now early night bc phew! nite all
06:23:57 <Inge-> That is a 32-page CCS proposal. That has to be some kind of record.
06:44:34 <rbrunner> My take about that CCS:
06:44:42 <rbrunner> All very interesting, tons of useful info about the planned venture at hand, many stories certainly worthy of being told
06:44:48 <rbrunner> But I think the the overall net effect is something that is not serving its purpose as an attractive CCS proposal
06:44:55 <rbrunner> I really can't see that most people will read through this and while doing so form an opinion whether to donate or not
06:45:01 <rbrunner> based on the info that's in there, that is
06:45:07 <rbrunner> My humble advice: Split that thing up. Into many parts. In many different places, according to type of info.
06:45:13 <rbrunner> Make 1, 2 or maybe even 3 separate CCS proposals for all the sub-projects here, short, concise, to the point
06:45:19 <rbrunner> Make a number (>5?) blog posts somewhere about background, history, problematic single points like multi-output txs, etc.
06:45:25 <rbrunner> And for the CCS proposals themselves: How about writing them together with that potential future CTO?
06:45:31 <rbrunner> You say he is experienced and professional - alright, profit from that. Right from the start of the venture.
06:45:36 <rbrunner> As far as I can see in the backlog I am at the third or fourth person to voice something in this general direction
06:45:43 <rbrunner> Doesn't that make it progressively less likely that we all just misunderstand, did not read fully, or similar reason?
06:45:49 <rbrunner> I really hope you will consider shortening and simplifying this
06:46:00 <rbrunner> If you push this through in this form IMHO you are your own worst enemy
06:52:05 <Inge-> Just having a couple of paragraphs at the top stating extremely succinctly 1. What will be delivered, 2. what funding is required 3. milestones - would help a lot, as my eyes glaze over before I find those details. This might be a failing on my part, but I fear it is a failing I share with large swaths of the donor community.
06:54:40 <rbrunner> And maybe even come up with a good project name, so people can easily refer to it when discussing, posting, etc. Like "Coral Reef". That damned thing had a name, and that simplified things.
06:55:51 <rbrunner> Yes. This needs a name. Definitely. If even only something preliminary. Revolutions and breakthroughs best start with a name. Heck, nowadays even bugs and exploits have names.
07:10:50 <midipoet> i really like the idea - but there was quite a lot of info in that CCS which i felt was spurious. Also, i would like to know who the CTO actually is. Crypto stardom - even if vouched for - shouldn't be the basis of reputation and trust for $100,000 in XMR.
07:12:39 <midipoet> also, the whole "why this project must be independent" section worries me more than anything. seems an awful amount of politics in it, at least, at worst a lot of complex (and sometimes seemingly fishy) financial and business dealings.
07:37:22 <ErCiccione[m]> Man, i hated the tone used with sgp_, so rude and condescending. Now gotta take the day off to read that CCS..
07:40:02 <ErCiccione[m]> Personally, i don't think the proposal should be discussed until it's in a readable and concise format.
07:45:20 <rottensox> Seconded.
08:21:31 <neoflux[m]> Elon Musk’s TOP SECRET Connection to this ALTCOIN! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VLLYkPu3wQ
08:21:31 <monerobux> [ Elon Musk’s TOP SECRET Connection to this ALTCOIN! - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
08:32:09 <ErCiccione[m]> No spammy crap please
08:32:59 <rbrunner> Hey, it's not crap, it's TOP SECRET :)
08:33:57 <asymptotically> it's in caps so we know that it's true!
08:34:13 <rbrunner> Riiiight.
10:08:12 <neoflux[m]> Look at it. It's very incisive and impressive. I'm not a useless loiterer like you guys
10:10:09 <neoflux[m]> I think this Cicciolina is some narcissistic loiterer who's just complaining about everything like a bitch.
10:13:14 <ErCiccione[m]> LOL. You got me, thanks for your valuable contribution :)
10:16:09 <rbrunner> Yeah, the video and the info may be ok. But the headline is rubbish. This from another useless loiterer.
13:24:04 <xmrmatterbridge> <xmrhaelan> endogenic giving more insight into the credentials of this CTO would be valuable. The community has been burned too many times. You discussing private deals publicly lowers confidence in you, so sharing more about the CTO may be essential for this to succeed.
13:26:05 <endogenic> I'll be back to answer soon but read carefully still please, I placed the new name inside there
13:26:28 <endogenic> I swear to all of you that I tried my hardest not to disclose information so I would appreciate it if you stop calling me unprofessional or acting like I'm doing this because I wanted to
13:26:41 <endogenic> You mostly probably have a little idea just what I've been through
13:26:55 <endogenic> You'll need to read this proposal more carefully because there is some very weird stuff indicated by it
13:27:32 <endogenic> I understand it's lengthy and detailed but I spent an extraordinarily long amount of time just making it short enough. We did our best. And I know that I can still do some more improvements. But it's honestly not that bad. The system is extraordinarily simple but very powerful
13:27:59 <sgp_> afaict the main goal is to integrate a marketplace in MyMonero, no? Can you please confirm what specific aspects of this will be open-source?
13:28:09 <endogenic> No that is not the goal
13:28:19 <endogenic> I spent a very long amount of time including information that explains why we unfortunately cannot do it under MyMonero
13:28:28 <endogenic> No matter how much I try to no matter how much I put up with
13:28:37 <sgp_> ok, so a separate marketplace app?
13:28:41 <endogenic> I have to go right now though but the information to your questions answer is already in the proposal SGP
13:33:54 <hyc> if people have to sift thru the proposal with a fine toothed comb to find answers to pertinent questions, then it's a poorly written proposal
13:34:34 <hyc> doesn't matter how worthy the goal is if you can't present it concisely, simply, without long rambling anecdotes
13:34:55 <hyc> and really, knowing you, I don't doubt it's a worthy project
13:35:01 <hyc> but this is not the way to pitch it.
13:41:35 <sgp_> honestly I'm currently a hard no on the project proposal. Maybe I can be convinced about the work needed to fully open-source MyMonero, but I would like that to be broken out completely separately in its own CCS with clear terms first
13:52:00 <ErCiccione[m]> endogenic please post a CCS proposal that can be instantly understood and move all side information in a blog post. I read almost half of it but i gave up in frustration. I find the text very hard to read and almost a flux of thoughts; very hard to follow. I don't see how a proposal with that structure can be even discussed. In the current status i can only vote no.
13:55:46 <xmrmatterbridge> <xmrhaelan> Endogenic I’ve read the entire thing. Didn’t see a name. Please point me to the section.
13:56:19 <hyc> needs some serious tch writing / biz writing skills
13:56:32 <hyc> s/tch/tech
13:56:32 <monerobux> hyc meant to say: needs some serious tech writing / biz writing skills
15:09:36 * netrik182[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/CCNoWzJDeORVEjYtMXkwBXyf >
15:10:15 <netrik182[m]> Or I'm completely mistaken and endogenic and help here
15:10:28 <netrik182[m]> s/and/can
15:10:28 <monerobux> netrik182[m] meant to say: Or I'm completely mistaken can endogenic and help here
15:11:04 <netrik182[m]> The secound and ^
15:11:16 <rbrunner> Lol. But at least that bot tried hard :)
15:30:55 <xmrmatterbridge> <xmrhaelan> netrik182 great summary
16:24:13 <suraeNoether> I am in agreement with sgp, ErCiccione, hyc, and others.
16:24:26 <suraeNoether> Also hi
16:24:37 <sgp_> yo dude!
16:24:58 <hyc> Hi! I disagree with surae, just because. :P
16:32:32 * netrik182[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/irEMaccUKGdZRDpMyQAmDupa >
16:32:43 <netrik182[m]>  * Or I'm completely mistaken and endogenic can help here
16:58:55 <fort3hlulz> So I finally finished reading the proposal.
16:59:42 <fort3hlulz> If it's going to go to funding, it has to be rewritten. It's very hard to follow, hard to get a clear ask (I thought it was part of MyMonero until the very end), and half of it is airing of dirty laundry between him and fluffy for some reason (?)
16:59:59 <sgp_> Riccardo just responded a few minutes ago
17:00:04 <fort3hlulz> The actual core concept looks great, and with clear deliverables and a clear payout/milestone timeline it sounds awesome
17:00:15 <fort3hlulz> But the proposal itself is weird and cumbersome
17:00:22 <fort3hlulz> <sgp_> Riccardo just responded a few minutes ago <- Yeah I'm reading that now
17:02:14 <midipoet> where is the response?
17:02:23 <midipoet> got i am so out of the drama loop
17:02:28 <midipoet> s/got/god
17:02:28 <monerobux> midipoet meant to say: god i am so out of the drama loop
17:02:34 <midipoet> it worked for me!
17:03:48 <netrik182[m]>  * The second and ^
17:04:08 <niocbrrrrrr> if potential funders can't comprehend the proposal, how will they donate?
17:04:09 <hyc> you shoulda used s/and help/
17:04:56 <niocbrrrrrr> I looked at it but I'm not Marvin so I have no idea wat I am looking at
17:05:13 <niocbrrrrrr> and saying read it again will do nothing for me
17:05:23 <fort3hlulz> Yikes just read it.
17:05:43 <fort3hlulz> This is obviously not a good look for anyone, but seems to undermine much of what was said in the proposal.
17:06:05 <fort3hlulz> Was there ever a reason stated for *why* all of the financial details and dirty laundry of MyMonero was aired in the proposal?
17:06:25 <fort3hlulz> I have no idea how it's relevant to what's being suggested/asked for, but maybe I missed something...
17:07:39 <sgp_> Paul must have felt it was a good idea
17:07:42 <niocbrrrrrr> I guess I should just read the title
17:08:12 <niocbrrrrrr> CTO for Monero-dedicated Marketplace from the team behind MyMonero
17:08:41 <fort3hlulz> He's proposing a Monero marketplace/wallet combo app
17:08:51 <fort3hlulz> And has some high-up CTO on-board who cannot be named
17:09:07 <fort3hlulz> And a lot of secret stuff planned for the future that can also not be named
17:09:40 <niocbrrrrrr> yes but according to the title what is being requested is funding of the CTO
17:09:46 <fort3hlulz> Yeah thats the main funding
17:09:52 <fort3hlulz> There are like 3 optional asks as well
17:12:34 <rehrar> neoflux[m]: I've never seen you before. And I do a lot of Monero work. I think you popping in once to show a video is the definition of a useless loiterer?
17:13:36 <rbrunner> Well, here go several almost scandal-free years, where Monero, its community and associated ventures could only mildly laugh about nonsense happening over at other coins ...
17:13:55 <hyc> after reading fluffy's response, I think this whole thing needs to be deleted and buried
17:14:28 <selsta> yea these internal disagreements make no sense on the CCS platform
17:14:44 <fort3hlulz> yeah its a really bad look
17:14:46 <fort3hlulz> for all involved
17:14:56 <fort3hlulz> and the proposal itself is obviously a non-starter in it's current form
17:15:42 <fort3hlulz> *to me, obviously people can disagree
17:17:27 <hyc> I can't believe anyone who reads this is going to say "shut up and take my money"
17:17:44 <fort3hlulz> In it's current state, no.
17:18:02 <fort3hlulz> The core concept (once you dig it out of the mess) is interesting and I'd like to hear *a lot* more details
17:18:55 <fort3hlulz> But its very vague/secretive about clear future goals, lacks milestones, and doesn't mention anything about the CTO that clearly makes him worth $200k/yr for the community to fund
17:19:52 <rehrar> rbrunner we've had scandals, no?
17:20:40 <selsta> my first introduction to monero was a fireice drama post on reddit :D
17:22:00 <hyc> and you didn't run away??
17:22:09 <selsta> something where he complained about hostile monero developers
17:22:21 <selsta> lol
17:22:59 <rehrar> selsta's like: ooooh, I like hostility. This is the community for me.
17:23:10 <rehrar> And then he was disappointed to see it wasn't true, but stayed anyway.
17:23:16 <hyc> lol
17:23:58 <kinghat[m]> were a very sticky community
17:28:40 <kinghat[m]> we've got our rehrar back as well!
17:29:06 <rehrar> I couldn't stay away.
17:29:25 <kinghat[m]> "sticky"
17:29:42 <rbrunner> rehrar: What are thinking of, especially in the last 3 years? (My own experience does not go further back ...)
17:29:51 <sgp_> rehrar: lol
17:30:19 <rehrar> Kovri, fluffypony's Pre announcement.
17:30:27 <rehrar> Nothing too crazy
17:30:41 <sgp_> I was probably the most vocal about that pre-announcement
17:30:55 <sgp_> I was vocal abou tKovri too late
17:31:01 <rbrunner> Yeah, right. Almost forgot already.
17:31:43 <camthegeek> fluffypony shut that shit down in that reply :D
17:32:06 <rbrunner> So I guess we were just due for something new :)
17:32:39 <niocbrrrrrr> <selsta> my first introduction to monero was a fireice drama post on reddit :D  <= I guess we should be grateful to fireice :)
17:33:09 <sgp_> seriously! what amazing luck
17:33:20 <kinghat[m]> 🙏
17:34:39 <selsta> my first introduction to the monero community would be more accurate
17:38:58 <rehrar> And now you're the glue that holds us together selsta
17:39:08 <rehrar> Who would have thought you'd grow up so fast? :')
17:41:33 <endogenic> the point is to justify to some of you why this has to be a new project
17:41:40 <endogenic> it was your right to know
17:41:44 <endogenic> i take the hit for that
17:41:49 <endogenic> i havent read all responses yet
17:42:09 <hyc> dude. you shared info to the public that you didn't have the authority to share.
17:42:24 <hyc> all redibility you may have had in this community has been shot to hell.
17:42:28 <hyc> s/redi/credi/
17:42:28 <monerobux> hyc meant to say: all credibility you may have had in this community has been shot to hell.
17:47:56 <ErCiccione[m]> man, pony was pissed.
17:48:55 <rbrunner> But you have to read between the lines to really grasp that, right?
18:17:27 <sgp_> endogenic: you definitely did not need to jump to the nuclear option of sharing all the details. You could have started with "I want to make a new company and app that..."
18:17:43 <sgp_> Even so that would have been riddled with problems for many other reasons
19:02:52 <midipoet> crypto drama is the best sort of drama
19:18:20 <midipoet> what I don't understand is how the CCS got merged. Isn't there a review process? I was sure there was/is
19:18:53 <selsta> I did not get merged yet.
19:19:02 <selsta> It*
19:19:04 <rehrar> Any posted idea shows up. It isn't merged.
19:19:17 <midipoet> oh I see. I am stupid
19:19:23 <midipoet> That's gets me a lot
19:19:28 <midipoet> *that
19:29:57 <geonic> did a mod delete the reddit post or was it endogenic?
19:32:24 <midipoet> there was Reddit drama as well!
19:34:08 <luigi1111w> doesn't reddit tell you if it was removed by moderators vs deleted?
19:34:37 <selsta> new Reddit does
19:35:57 <geonic> Ah, yeah. Sorry, this post has been removed by the moderators of r/Monero.
19:36:35 <selsta> there was no drama on this post but I think this internal stuff does not belong to Reddit
19:36:38 <selsta> (not a mod)
19:37:47 <geonic> wasn’t a good look for sure
19:38:38 <luigi1111w> mods ruin everything
19:39:23 <geonic> all work and no play
19:53:10 <dEBRUYNE> We decided to remove it temporarily because it currently links to confidential information
19:53:14 <dEBRUYNE> ^ geonic
19:56:18 <needbrrrrrrr90> cEnSoRsHiP
19:57:03 <needbrrrrrrr90> If anyone has a question about the removal of the thread, I suggest they read the thread and all its replies in their entirety. They should cover any questions you have.
19:57:24 <needbrrrrrrr90> If you still have questions you haven't read hard enough 👀
20:02:00 <endogenic> What link is confidential
20:02:06 <endogenic> And who owns it
20:02:25 <endogenic> I will be back in maybe a day or two
20:03:14 <endogenic> hyc
20:03:19 <endogenic> dEBRUYNE:
20:05:15 <UkoeHB_> endogenic: it might be a good idea to read fluffy's response to your CCS with urgency
20:05:31 <needbrrrrrrr90> Yeah, sounds like someone hasn't read it entirely
20:05:31 <camthegeek> I second that statement ^
20:05:36 <endogenic> I read it carefully and so did my partner
20:05:36 <camthegeek> or third
20:05:42 <endogenic> It has many inaccuracies to see the list
20:05:47 <endogenic> To say the least
20:05:52 <endogenic> bbbl
20:06:49 <hyc> endogenic: don't bother coming back. seriously. your handling of all of this is grossly unprofessional.
20:08:29 <hyc> if you knew you were going to be traveling and wouldn't have time to focus on responding to feedback, you should have waited to submit the proposal until you had adequate time
20:09:54 <endogenic> Your feedback is handled HYC don't worry
20:13:51 <endogenic> I also cannot buy Hemlock with Monero yet Ha Ha Ha Ha I kid
20:15:06 <geonic> I’m having deja vu of anonimal dropping his Secreta proposal and disappearing on winter break or whtv
20:18:38 <endogenic> lol dont worry
20:22:21 <geonic> why not just delete the gitlab issue? obvious this isn’t going anywhere. I like a good food fight as much as anyone else but the odds are stacked heavily against you here
20:25:42 <fort3hlulz> Yeah the MR should be pulled and re-written IMO
20:25:53 <fort3hlulz> Don't think it can move forward as is.
20:30:01 <xmrmatterbridge> <xmrhaelan> fluffypony destroyed all credibility in his response. FWIW I suggest endogenic remove this and take some time to consider all feedback and his own intentions. You may decide to submit a new proposal, or perhaps you encourage the CTO to reveal himself and submit his own proposal. Regardless, you should consider all points of feedback that you’ve been given before making any other decisions.
20:30:54 <endogenic> Yes I just want to say again please don't worry. We're taking your feedback very carefully
20:31:13 <fort3hlulz> well said xmrhaelan
21:51:58 <dEBRUYNE> endogenic: I meant the info disclosed in the ccs proposal
21:58:49 <endogenic> There was a lot of info in there.
21:58:55 <endogenic> Anyway don't worry
22:04:52 <UkoeHB_> Hard not to worry lol..
22:12:29 <dEBRUYNE> endogenic: The 'Why this new project must be independent' part in particular is what I was referring to
22:13:28 <endogenic> All of it?
22:14:16 <endogenic> koe I feel physically generally safe and as I mentioned in the aspects of why the project has to be independent I should be able to survive for now
22:14:56 <dEBRUYNE> As far as I can see, most information is confidential and should have remained private
22:15:08 <endogenic> How do you know? And can you please be specific
22:15:16 <endogenic> Otherwise it doesn't seem like eyesight
22:15:50 <endogenic> Anyway it's also true that confidential information was already breached if you read the other parts of that very section
22:16:33 <dEBRUYNE> Because it is fairly easy to infer from the context
22:16:35 <endogenic> I would just like specifics if all of these hard-core claims are posted. But please don't worry about funding the proposal. It's getting deleted
22:16:55 <dEBRUYNE> Besides, Fluffypony clearly stated in his reply that it is private information subjected to an NDA
22:17:52 <endogenic> What is subject to NDA?
22:20:12 <defterade_> my introduction to monero was sgp_ calling out fluffy on the pre-announcement
22:20:17 <defterade_> i knew something was up when paul made that tweet a couple days ago promising "something big" for Monero
22:20:24 <defterade_> maybe it was ironic idk
22:20:34 <endogenic> I wasn't even thinking about that. I was being sincere
22:20:50 <endogenic> I didn't know that about SGP
22:21:00 <endogenic> I'm curious what he actually said
22:23:32 <sgp_> I said imo Core members shouldn't have done something like that, even if it was to prove a point
22:23:47 <endogenic> Like what?
22:23:55 <sgp_> Fake announcements
22:23:58 <endogenic> And a hat tip to nioc for that venue
22:24:09 <endogenic> Is it fake if it's clearly a joke?
22:24:17 <sgp_> Does a recording exist? I'd pay good money
22:24:17 <endogenic> Or I guess you're talking about the pre-announcement
22:24:27 <sgp_> The pre-announcement yes
22:24:32 <endogenic> Yes but I recall the audio was insufficient
22:24:38 <sgp_> The actual "announcement" was fine
22:24:55 <sgp_> Anything at all is important history
22:25:04 <endogenic> Personally I myself would never have treated that Pre-announcement
22:25:10 <endogenic> traded
22:25:26 <sgp_> That doesn't really matter though, people did
22:25:27 <endogenic> I bet y'all don't remember that I also announce some thing there
22:25:38 <sgp_> You're not Core lol
22:30:37 <endogenic> What would you do now if you were CEO of MyMonero or maybe cake, I saw your comment about market places. I don't know why that question occurred to me but it did and I could see it happening
22:30:44 <endogenic> 'see'
22:30:51 <endogenic> It's just fun to think about possibilities sometimes I guess
22:32:55 <endogenic> bbl
22:36:35 <niocbrrrrrr> sgp_: The venue moved our location within the building and the staff they provided didn't know how to run the A/V
22:36:51 <niocbrrrrrr> We jury rigged things for the live stream which resulted in it being awful
22:37:00 <niocbrrrrrr> The person that recorded it had the good audio and video but never completed the editing and then disappeared
22:37:14 <sgp_> I wish I captured my screen with OBS in hindsight
22:37:17 <geonic> What does Cake have to do with any of this? Not following the logic there
22:37:33 <niocbrrrrrr> the barolo that aminorex obtained was very good
22:38:04 <sgp_> Can we try pinging the good video/sound person again?
22:38:14 <geonic> Why are we looking for a recording of the pre-announcement? Is someone unsure that it happened?
22:39:05 <geonic> Let bygones be bygones IMO
22:39:06 <sgp_> No I just kinda want one that's all. For historical reasons 10 years from now
22:39:40 <geonic> for the Monero documentary lol
22:40:21 <sgp_> EXACTLY :p
22:40:34 <UkoeHB_> I thought there was some kind of short video?
22:41:01 <selsta> mea.business
22:41:15 <selsta> or was there a different pre ann?
22:42:35 <sgp_> That's the one
22:43:36 <jwinterm> selsta, that is the announcement
22:43:49 <jwinterm> but the pre-announcement was done at nyc meetup I guess
22:45:55 <niocbrrrrrr> the pre-announcement was b4 the meetup
22:46:08 <niocbrrrrrr> mea was presented at the meetup
22:47:59 <niocbrrrrrr> anybody who knew fluffy at all should have known that there was nothing that he would announce in this way
22:48:06 <endogenic> When I took Rick, Brandon, and my ex to dinner that night I put on the reservation that we were celebrating an announcement
22:48:22 <endogenic> They brought us a cake that said congratulations on the announcement or something. He loved it
22:49:12 <niocbrrrrrr> disclaimer: I did not trade this situation
22:49:35 <endogenic> I just thought I should let you know that I have literally been told about basically nothing that has ever happened before it happened. That includes the offer of sale
22:49:43 <endogenic> To a direct competitor
22:49:48 <endogenic> But whatever
22:50:00 <endogenic> bbl